Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnTE1dlJCFA

I miss Tom. 

This is a great duet.  And a hard song to sing.  
My favorite though is Ed and Bruce singing Hometown at Wrigley.  Beautiful. 

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Pete is 006 from GoldenEye. 

Skip him. Go straight to AOC.

- For all americans without healthcare, Alexandria?

- No Pete, for me.

*drops Pete on a satellite dish*

OnWis97 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

OnWis97 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

EdsonNascimento said:

JimmyV said:

Republicans got more out of the Trump presidency than they ever dreamed, but now his usefulness has run out. Yesterday's garbage. 

This.     And the smile on Mitch's face showed they are a lot smarter about this stuff than the Dems who held on to a completely unpopular family for way too long and potentially cost themselves the last 4 years in doing so. (Do any Hillary lovers think for a moment if they had just let Biden run as is the protocol 4 years ago, they never would have had to deal with Trump? - like this election was decided based on him, last election was decided based on her).

As long as the Senate holds GOP, while Trump probably did in fact help win back some House seats, they really have no more use for him, and other than here and there he won't be able to do that in the future.

So, are you folks all ready for President Cheney in 4 years?  (*I don't believe this. I just wanted to get you guys worked up about something different/old. Oh, and it's Liz not the old guy. We've had enough of those - oh, wait.)

i personally find it so funny how you always hear republicans brag about them being smarter than democrats in this situation and that situation. if biden had run in 2016, he would have lost. the only reason he's winning now is because independents are energized to get that idiot out of the white house. 

the house and senate are almost always a very close 50/50 split, so one side saying "we're so much better at this than you" is absolute nonsense. 

if republicans are so much better at it, why did obama have 8 years in the white house with complete control of all branches for a quarter of that? why is trump going to be a one term president if they are so good at it? nothing here is shocking. republicans generally keep the same seats that they always do, same with dems. some get flipped here and there, but the most of it stays pretty status quo. 

biden isn't dynamic or likeable in any special way. he's just not trump. that's why he wins. 

which concerns me for 2024, but that's a way off. i don't see kamala getting the vote out unless she somehow becomes super likable in the next 3 years. the best she can hope for is getting the moderates on both sides but she won't win over the left or the right. 

it will be nice, if biden does win, to have 4 years of calm and not some lunatic burning down his own house. 

I think Biden might have won.  You might not realized just how hated Hillary was and for how long.  She lost a few key states by a small number of votes.  Biden, while not the most inspiring candidate, didn't have the history of being hated. Plus he was attached to a popular president.  That got George HW Bush a term in office.

Honestly, I think Trump did much better this time. I think there was more fear of what he could in 2016 than what we know he is now.  He's gained in most demographics.  I think Biden would have won those close states Hillary lost. The fact that Trump was a miserable, contentious, self-obsessed numbskull was offset because Hillary was Hillary.

you're right. when 2016 happened, i was shell shocked. i had literally no clue that hillary was hated. and i still can't figure out why, if everyone knew she was universally hated, the dem voters put her up. i only started hearing about this "worst candidate ever" after she lost and everyone was a monday morning quarterback. 

if she was so hated, and everyone knew, why did everyone think it was a foregone conclusion she'd win?

I have no idea, aside from "Trump's just such an idiot." I was nervous from day 1 about her and the hate factor.  I thought it was a terrible move by the party to push her through.*  My point stands; we'll never know, but I think Trump's narrow margin flips on the streetlight of Obama's coattails and not being Hillary. We'll never know.

I also have no idea how sarcastic you're being, being from Canada and all. She was hated from day 1 of Bill becoming a household name. I'm not exactly sure why (partly that people wanted the first lady to be June Cleaver). Eventually, she provided reasons as she became Sec. of State.  Conservatives had an irrational hatred as early as 1991, though, and it bled into moderates and apolitical folks. 

So, what if Biden loses to Trump in 2016 and Hillary runs now.  Where would we be?  I think we'd be waiting on five states to finish up so we could see how big Trump's margin is. 

*To whatever degree the party did that.  Some people think it was rigged, others don't.