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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,417
    Biden
    Interesting behind the scene details about Fox calling Arizona and some other states for Biden early that roiled the WH.

    Fox anchor Bill Hemmer was gearing up to do another review for viewers of a map of the United States that at 11:20 p.m. was looking surprisingly positive for President Trump when he did a double take in the lower left-hand quadrant.

    “Have we called Arizona?” he asked, sounding stunned.

    Indeed, with only 73 percent of its vote reported, the analysts on the cable giant’s stridently independent decision desk had already bestowed a yellow check mark on the Grand Canyon State — putting it in Joe Biden’s column long before any other network was making that call.

    It was one of several times throughout the night that the president’s favorite network declared results long before its competitors — and not necessarily in the president’s favor. Trump campaign officials were livid, and the tensions boiled over onto the broadcast, where former White House press secretary Sarah Sanders insisted it was a “premature call,” and anchor Bret Baier called upon decision-desk director Arnon Mishkin to explain himself on camera, because “we’re getting a lot of incoming here.”

    “I’m sorry,” Mishkin said, “the president is not going to be able to take over and win enough votes to eliminate that seven-point lead that the former vice president has.” Told the White House was convinced otherwise, he stood his ground: “I’m sorry we’re not wrong in this particular case.”

    Mishkin, a registered Democrat who works for Fox as a contractor, would go on to apologize several times throughout the course of the night — not for being wrong, but for daringly delivering calls that were so early they initially looked suspect. His calls added pressure on other news outlets reporting on a highly competitive race in a country that was uniquely divided and anxious about its result. And they helped ramp up the tension on a night when Trump was brazenly urging the vote count to be stopped before all early and absentee ballots were counted.

    Indeed, not long after polling analyst Nate Silver declared that the Fox News call on Arizona “looms pretty large as a check against claims Trump might make that he’s winning,” the president indirectly alluded to Mishkin in his 2 a.m. speech claiming he was on track to victory.

    “Arizona, we have a lot of life in that, and somebody said — somebody declared it was a victory for — and maybe it will be, I mean, that’s possible,” the president said. “But certainly there were a lot of votes out there that we could get because we’re now just coming into what they call Trump territory.”

    But as dawn approached, many other news organizations, including the Associated Press, also called Arizona for Biden. “Arnon was right,” Fox anchor Martha MacCallum said. “The White House was wrong.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/fox-news-election-night-arizona/2020/11/04/194f9968-1e71-11eb-90dd-abd0f7086a91_story.html
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,254
    Biden

    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    I'm sitting this one out
    MayDay10 said:
    dimitrispearljam said:
    MayDay10 said:
    Biden at -400 in the gambling world
     im not familiar with bets,what this means 
    It means heavily favored.  You would have to bet $400 to win $100.  
     so like 1/4 ?
    u need to bet 400,to get 100?
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,884
    Biden
    static111 said:
    Trump gained ground in every demographic t he only demo he underperformed with was white males, down slightly from last time.
    Where did you see that?  How could that be true and lose more states?
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,533
    Biden
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    honestly. regardless of who wins. i'm done with america. fuck america. i can't believe so many people still support this piece of shit after the last four years. it's unimaginable to most people that don't live in your country. see you in 4 years. at best. 
    adios, vaya con dios!
    enjoy your 4 years of whining. 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,489
    I'm sitting this one out
    So Kanye West got 60k votes?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    JimmyV said:
    dignin said:
    MayDay10 said:
    pjl44 said:
    If things hold up how they're looking, Biden winning the Presidency, Republicans holding the Senate, and drug prohibition being routed in ballot initiatives is about the best outcome I could have hoped for.

    If you're a Democrat, stop blaming bogeyman and figure out how to appeal to voters. Cable news is filled with bullshit across the board - it's not the exclusive domain of Fox. Maybe this will finally spur Ds to have the honest post-mortem they never undertook after 2016. Or not. Who knows. Probably best to just keep scolding everyone who doesn't vote with you.
    wait, you dont think that burning city centers while yelling 'defund the police' is a sound campaign strategy?
    Wow, I missed the part where Joe was out there burning city centers and yelling defund the police. That is bad campaign strategy.
    Jimmy Carter and Habitat for Humanity would build a house, Joe Biden would show up and burn it down. You didn't see that?
    That son of a bitch!!

    Thanks for the laugh on this dark morning.
  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,856
    edited November 2020
    Biden
    dimitrispearljam said:
    MayDay10 said:
    dimitrispearljam said:
    MayDay10 said:
    Biden at -400 in the gambling world
     im not familiar with bets,what this means 
    It means heavily favored.  You would have to bet $400 to win $100.  
     so like 1/4 ?
    u need to bet 400,to get 100?
    more like 80% likelihood (roughly 78%?)

    Around 9:30PM, he was down to about the opposite, like +370 last night which is about 27%.  At the start, it was around 65% (-350).
    Post edited by MayDay10 on
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,417
    Biden
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    So Kanye West got 60k votes?
    Fucked up for sure. Over 6,000 people in my state cast a vote for that idiot.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    I'm sitting this one out
    MayDay10 said:
    dimitrispearljam said:
    MayDay10 said:
    dimitrispearljam said:
    MayDay10 said:
    Biden at -400 in the gambling world
     im not familiar with bets,what this means 
    It means heavily favored.  You would have to bet $400 to win $100.  
     so like 1/4 ?
    u need to bet 400,to get 100?
    more like 80% likelihood (roughly 78%?)
     got it.thanks
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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,110
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    Trump gained ground in every demographic t he only demo he underperformed with was white males, down slightly from last time.
    Where did you see that?  How could that be true and lose more states?
    Likely flawed polling a lot of that going around.  I will see if I can find the poll. Might have been from the hill.
    Scio me nihil scire

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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,546
    edited November 2020
    I'm sitting this one out
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    Trump gained ground in every demographic t he only demo he underperformed with was white males, down slightly from last time.
    Where did you see that?  How could that be true and lose more states?
    Edit: Looks like this is only 3 states. But I've been seeing the same stuff as static.

     A few places are reporting variations of that. Here is the NY Times:

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/forecast-president.html?action=click&pgtype=Article&state=default&module=styln-elections-2020&region=TOP_BANNER&context=election_recirc


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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,489
    I'm sitting this one out
    Is CNN or MSNBC streaming election coverage anywhere for free? Or was that just last night?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,110
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    Trump gained ground in every demographic t he only demo he underperformed with was white males, down slightly from last time.
    Where did you see that?  How could that be true and lose more states?
    Here we go Edison Exit Poll.  So I assume that is only for Election Day in person voting.
    Scio me nihil scire

    There are no kings inside the gates of eden
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,941
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    Trump gained ground in every demographic t he only demo he underperformed with was white males, down slightly from last time.
    Where did you see that?  How could that be true and lose more states?

    I learned about AZ from your comment, thanks for that. The momentum shift so far. Hope family guy was good.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,489
    edited November 2020
    I'm sitting this one out
    Interesting polls.






    if not shopped... but doesnt look like it.

    THE PEOPLE IS BERNIE
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,489
    I'm sitting this one out
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    Trump gained ground in every demographic t he only demo he underperformed with was white males, down slightly from last time.
    Where did you see that?  How could that be true and lose more states?
    Here we go Edison Exit Poll.  So I assume that is only for Election Day in person voting.
    I guess Trump turned into everyone's comfortable sitcom you don't really want to end.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,110
    Biden
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Interesting polls.






    if not shopped... but doesnt look like it.

    THE PEOPLE IS BERNIE
    Nope Fox News polls show that 70% of Americans want “socialism”. 
    Scio me nihil scire

    There are no kings inside the gates of eden
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,254
    Biden
    Biden +3 in AZ now....done deal
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    I'm sitting this one out


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