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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,246
    November is eons away. I’m not getting excited. Too early. Way too early.
    If the economy stays decent it will be lights out for tRump. If he is even on the ballot.
    Economy, foreign entanglements, major scandals within the Administration, gas at $7 a gallon, Brandon coming for your guns, gas stoves and children, a new, better and more locations Comet Pizza, etc. etc. A lot can happen between now and November.
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,167
    Biden
    November is eons away. I’m not getting excited. Too early. Way too early.
    If the economy stays decent it will be lights out for tRump. If he is even on the ballot.
    Economy, foreign entanglements, major scandals within the Administration, gas at $7 a gallon, Brandon coming for your guns, gas stoves and children, a new, better and more locations Comet Pizza, etc. etc. A lot can happen between now and November.
    Emails, lots of emails.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,504
    Biden
    tbergs said:
    November is eons away. I’m not getting excited. Too early. Way too early.
    If the economy stays decent it will be lights out for tRump. If he is even on the ballot.
    Economy, foreign entanglements, major scandals within the Administration, gas at $7 a gallon, Brandon coming for your guns, gas stoves and children, a new, better and more locations Comet Pizza, etc. etc. A lot can happen between now and November.
    Emails, lots of emails.
    X-ghazi.  Also don't forget that Hunter is going to roll on his father any minute now.  
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,035
    Biden
    November is eons away. I’m not getting excited. Too early. Way too early.
    If the economy stays decent it will be lights out for tRump. If he is even on the ballot.
    republicans will tell you the economy is in the shitter. because that is what they have been told to say. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,246
    mrussel1 said:
    tbergs said:
    November is eons away. I’m not getting excited. Too early. Way too early.
    If the economy stays decent it will be lights out for tRump. If he is even on the ballot.
    Economy, foreign entanglements, major scandals within the Administration, gas at $7 a gallon, Brandon coming for your guns, gas stoves and children, a new, better and more locations Comet Pizza, etc. etc. A lot can happen between now and November.
    Emails, lots of emails.
    X-ghazi.  Also don't forget that Hunter is going to roll on his father any minute now.  
    Well, Brandon’s mob seems much better than POOTWH’s as Brandon’s book keeper didn’t give up the goods in the house impeachment investigation hearing today. Sigh, another witness not cooperating with Gym Jordan.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,719
    Biden
    The AMT makes the left sound even more pathetic
    weird. when was the last time a leftie beheaded their father and posted it on youtube? that's sounds more like a righty thing. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,504
    Biden
    November is eons away. I’m not getting excited. Too early. Way too early.
    If the economy stays decent it will be lights out for tRump. If he is even on the ballot.
    republicans will tell you the economy is in the shitter. because that is what they have been told to say. 
    Trump said the other day that the economy was booming because it expected him to win.  

    But today the market corrected.  Now some Deep State liars will say that's because the Fed came out and signaled that a rate cut likely wouldn't come in March.  But I know it's because the new Quinnipiac poll had Biden leading.  
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,504
    Biden
    The MAGA meltdown on this is so great.  And it's all a part of the grift.  If the right wing "influencers" actually cared about winning an election vs monetizing anger, they would know not to upset the Swifties.  They are passionately defensive of Taylor.  She's going to endorse Biden.  She is going to push people to register to vote.  It will make a difference.  But the right wing going after Taylor is just going to make it that much worse for MAGA.  They are setting a trap that they will spring on themselves.  And it's going to be hilarious... again.   

    Good article from the Bulwark.  https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/maga-has-tds-taylor-derangement-syndrome


  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,054
    mrussel1 said:
    The MAGA meltdown on this is so great.  And it's all a part of the grift.  If the right wing "influencers" actually cared about winning an election vs monetizing anger, they would know not to upset the Swifties.  They are passionately defensive of Taylor.  She's going to endorse Biden.  She is going to push people to register to vote.  It will make a difference.  But the right wing going after Taylor is just going to make it that much worse for MAGA.  They are setting a trap that they will spring on themselves.  And it's going to be hilarious... again.   

    Good article from the Bulwark.  https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/maga-has-tds-taylor-derangement-syndrome



    As the photo shows she was around in 2020, and it took an enormous mail in vote for Biden to squeak out a win. It will be a gigunda task for Biden to get those 16 million additional votes he received over Hilary’s 2016 total, without an extensive record breaking mail in vote happening this time. he will likely need even more votes this election.
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,054
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    If RFK Jr would be Trump's running mate, they'd actually clean up.

    The only downsides are 1) he's kinda pro-environment (or at least used to be), 2) Trump probably wants a running mate he can sexually harass, and 3) RFK might not be willing to vow to never certify a presidential election for a democrat.

    #3 is the big one. The next VP will have to be willing to do what Pence would not.

    Would need to change the 22nd amendment for that to have an impact. Since Biden is current president, Harris oversees the electoral college certification in 2025. If trump wins this election, he would need to run for a third term (which is currently unconstitutional) to have his VP involved
    It's not about Trump but the party. RFK Jr (or whoever) would be doing this for Desantis (or whoever). This is going to be the #1 vetting point for Trump's running mate.

    You could be right, DeSantis and others may try, but imo they  don’t have the power trump does to get supporters to walk the plank to overturn an election. 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,719
    edited February 1
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    The MAGA meltdown on this is so great.  And it's all a part of the grift.  If the right wing "influencers" actually cared about winning an election vs monetizing anger, they would know not to upset the Swifties.  They are passionately defensive of Taylor.  She's going to endorse Biden.  She is going to push people to register to vote.  It will make a difference.  But the right wing going after Taylor is just going to make it that much worse for MAGA.  They are setting a trap that they will spring on themselves.  And it's going to be hilarious... again.   

    Good article from the Bulwark.  https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/maga-has-tds-taylor-derangement-syndrome



    As the photo shows she was around in 2020, and it took an enormous mail in vote for Biden to squeak out a win. It will be a gigunda task for Biden to get those 16 million additional votes he received over Hilary’s 2016 total, without an extensive record breaking mail in vote happening this time. he will likely need even more votes this election.
    for some reason I feel like she's like 100 times bigger than she was even just 4 years ago. could just be my perception. and a LOT of her fans became voting age over that time. 
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,289
    mrussel1 said:
    The MAGA meltdown on this is so great.  And it's all a part of the grift.  If the right wing "influencers" actually cared about winning an election vs monetizing anger, they would know not to upset the Swifties.  They are passionately defensive of Taylor.  She's going to endorse Biden.  She is going to push people to register to vote.  It will make a difference.  But the right wing going after Taylor is just going to make it that much worse for MAGA.  They are setting a trap that they will spring on themselves.  And it's going to be hilarious... again.   

    Good article from the Bulwark.  https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/maga-has-tds-taylor-derangement-syndrome



    As the photo shows she was around in 2020, and it took an enormous mail in vote for Biden to squeak out a win. It will be a gigunda task for Biden to get those 16 million additional votes he received over Hilary’s 2016 total, without an extensive record breaking mail in vote happening this time. he will likely need even more votes this election.
    for some reason I feel like she's like 100 times bigger than she was even just 4 years ago. could just be my perception. and a LOT of her fans became voting age over that time. 
    Good point… I’m also not convinced trump’s going to get 74M votes like he did in 2020… I have no doubt he’ll get a lot, but I can’t help but think RvW alone is going to hurt. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,023
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    The MAGA meltdown on this is so great.  And it's all a part of the grift.  If the right wing "influencers" actually cared about winning an election vs monetizing anger, they would know not to upset the Swifties.  They are passionately defensive of Taylor.  She's going to endorse Biden.  She is going to push people to register to vote.  It will make a difference.  But the right wing going after Taylor is just going to make it that much worse for MAGA.  They are setting a trap that they will spring on themselves.  And it's going to be hilarious... again.   

    Good article from the Bulwark.  https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/maga-has-tds-taylor-derangement-syndrome



    As the photo shows she was around in 2020, and it took an enormous mail in vote for Biden to squeak out a win. It will be a gigunda task for Biden to get those 16 million additional votes he received over Hilary’s 2016 total, without an extensive record breaking mail in vote happening this time. he will likely need even more votes this election.
    for some reason I feel like she's like 100 times bigger than she was even just 4 years ago. could just be my perception. and a LOT of her fans became voting age over that time. 

    good thing we aren't in pandemic shut down mode then I guess....
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,504
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    The MAGA meltdown on this is so great.  And it's all a part of the grift.  If the right wing "influencers" actually cared about winning an election vs monetizing anger, they would know not to upset the Swifties.  They are passionately defensive of Taylor.  She's going to endorse Biden.  She is going to push people to register to vote.  It will make a difference.  But the right wing going after Taylor is just going to make it that much worse for MAGA.  They are setting a trap that they will spring on themselves.  And it's going to be hilarious... again.   

    Good article from the Bulwark.  https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/maga-has-tds-taylor-derangement-syndrome



    As the photo shows she was around in 2020, and it took an enormous mail in vote for Biden to squeak out a win. It will be a gigunda task for Biden to get those 16 million additional votes he received over Hilary’s 2016 total, without an extensive record breaking mail in vote happening this time. he will likely need even more votes this election.
    for some reason I feel like she's like 100 times bigger than she was even just 4 years ago. could just be my perception. and a LOT of her fans became voting age over that time. 
    She's absolutely bigger and more influential.  It's not even close.  Four years ago I never though about her once, even though my oldest daughter likes her.  Now she has exploded beyond the Gen Z/Millenials into truly the mainstream of American culture.  

    My daughter, who is 25, tells me that Taylor is the soundtrack of her life, like they went through things together.  It's not much different than how you and I probably think of PJ.  In the 90s we were young and angry, then we were mad about war, then we had kids, and now we are middle age and mortality is upon us.  Very similar.  
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,792
    edited February 1
    Biden
    She's definitely bigger. That huge concert tour took her from biggest pop star in the world to...I don't know...biggest pop star in the world squared.

    Of course Biden's only gotten older. He needs to get at least as many votes as last time and it needs to be because of votes against Trump....There are not 80 million people that really want to vote for Biden. Will there be 80 million that want to vote against Trump? I sometimes wish he'd step up and not run. Nobody would blame him. The question is whether any Dem would be able to beat Trump. Hard to say. I am sure some of the usual undecides are sick of all these ageing boomers and would love to vote for a fresh face. That said, the Dems don't have a very deep bench.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,246
    OnWis97 said:
    She's definitely bigger. That huge concert tour took her from biggest pop star in the world to...I don't know...biggest pop star in the world squared.

    Of course Biden's only gotten older. He needs to get at least as many votes as last time and it needs to be because of votes against Trump....There are not 80 million people that really want to vote for Biden. Will there be 80 million that want to vote against Trump? I sometimes wish he'd step up and not run. Nobody would blame him. The question is whether any Dem would be able to beat Trump. Hard to say. I am sure some of the usual undecides are sick of all these ageing boomers and would love to vote for a fresh face. That said, the Dems don't have a very deep bench.
    The Dems have a deep bench. Now is not their time. Their time will come after January 20, 2025. Anyone stepping up now would be set up to fail. It’s too late now.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,504
    Biden
    OnWis97 said:
    She's definitely bigger. That huge concert tour took her from biggest pop star in the world to...I don't know...biggest pop star in the world squared.

    Of course Biden's only gotten older. He needs to get at least as many votes as last time and it needs to be because of votes against Trump....There are not 80 million people that really want to vote for Biden. Will there be 80 million that want to vote against Trump? I sometimes wish he'd step up and not run. Nobody would blame him. The question is whether any Dem would be able to beat Trump. Hard to say. I am sure some of the usual undecides are sick of all these ageing boomers and would love to vote for a fresh face. That said, the Dems don't have a very deep bench.
    The Dems have a deep bench. Now is not their time. Their time will come after January 20, 2025. Anyone stepping up now would be set up to fail. It’s too late now.
    I agree.  Our governor bench is great.  You don't want to run against an incumbent and lose.  That is bad for you in the party and with the people.  Just ask Ron.  
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 17,884
    Biden
    November is eons away. I’m not getting excited. Too early. Way too early.
    If the economy stays decent it will be lights out for tRump. If he is even on the ballot.
    republicans will tell you the economy is in the shitter. because that is what they have been told to say. 
    I met with one of my magat clients this morning....all went well until we were ending the meeting and he says "you might want to contact our senators and congressmen about this new border deal...they're going to let 5,000 illegals in each day" blah blah blah

    As I was driving into work this morning I heard Mike Johnson say that same exact line...

    And the GOP Senators support the bill. Fucking morons.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,504
    Biden
    November is eons away. I’m not getting excited. Too early. Way too early.
    If the economy stays decent it will be lights out for tRump. If he is even on the ballot.
    republicans will tell you the economy is in the shitter. because that is what they have been told to say. 
    I met with one of my magat clients this morning....all went well until we were ending the meeting and he says "you might want to contact our senators and congressmen about this new border deal...they're going to let 5,000 illegals in each day" blah blah blah

    As I was driving into work this morning I heard Mike Johnson say that same exact line...

    And the GOP Senators support the bill. Fucking morons.
    First, no one has seen the actual language.  If you listen to negotiators, then the border is shut if there are 5,000 "encounters" per day.  That doesn't mean entry.  And that is far fewer than today.  
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,246
    mrussel1 said:
    November is eons away. I’m not getting excited. Too early. Way too early.
    If the economy stays decent it will be lights out for tRump. If he is even on the ballot.
    republicans will tell you the economy is in the shitter. because that is what they have been told to say. 
    I met with one of my magat clients this morning....all went well until we were ending the meeting and he says "you might want to contact our senators and congressmen about this new border deal...they're going to let 5,000 illegals in each day" blah blah blah

    As I was driving into work this morning I heard Mike Johnson say that same exact line...

    And the GOP Senators support the bill. Fucking morons.
    First, no one has seen the actual language.  If you listen to negotiators, then the border is shut if there are 5,000 "encounters" per day.  That doesn't mean entry.  And that is far fewer than today.  
    Staff of the respective senators have seen the actual language and they’re writing the legislation. It’ll go down to the wire with horse trading for some deeply buried spending request or change to something, some of which may be buried and not “disclosed” unless you read the full text and catch it but the important thing is that the respective conferences are in agreement and will pass the bill. That the repubs in the house are willing to blow it all up for POOTWH speaks volumes and because they have gerrymandered their districts to be so red of red, they have no cover from a POOTWH primary candidate challenge from the right. It’s a lose-lose. Or brilliant brilliance in all its brilliancy some might say.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,504
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    mrussel1 said:
    November is eons away. I’m not getting excited. Too early. Way too early.
    If the economy stays decent it will be lights out for tRump. If he is even on the ballot.
    republicans will tell you the economy is in the shitter. because that is what they have been told to say. 
    I met with one of my magat clients this morning....all went well until we were ending the meeting and he says "you might want to contact our senators and congressmen about this new border deal...they're going to let 5,000 illegals in each day" blah blah blah

    As I was driving into work this morning I heard Mike Johnson say that same exact line...

    And the GOP Senators support the bill. Fucking morons.
    First, no one has seen the actual language.  If you listen to negotiators, then the border is shut if there are 5,000 "encounters" per day.  That doesn't mean entry.  And that is far fewer than today.  
    Staff of the respective senators have seen the actual language and they’re writing the legislation. It’ll go down to the wire with horse trading for some deeply buried spending request or change to something, some of which may be buried and not “disclosed” unless you read the full text and catch it but the important thing is that the respective conferences are in agreement and will pass the bill. That the repubs in the house are willing to blow it all up for POOTWH speaks volumes and because they have gerrymandered their districts to be so red of red, they have no cover from a POOTWH primary candidate challenge from the right. It’s a lose-lose. Or brilliant brilliance in all its brilliancy some might say.
    I don't think it's true that anyone in the House has read the proposed bill.  It has not been delivered to them.  That's where the Speaker is really taking the incoming fire, declaring the bill is DOA when it hasn't been released to the public or the House.  
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,246
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    November is eons away. I’m not getting excited. Too early. Way too early.
    If the economy stays decent it will be lights out for tRump. If he is even on the ballot.
    republicans will tell you the economy is in the shitter. because that is what they have been told to say. 
    I met with one of my magat clients this morning....all went well until we were ending the meeting and he says "you might want to contact our senators and congressmen about this new border deal...they're going to let 5,000 illegals in each day" blah blah blah

    As I was driving into work this morning I heard Mike Johnson say that same exact line...

    And the GOP Senators support the bill. Fucking morons.
    First, no one has seen the actual language.  If you listen to negotiators, then the border is shut if there are 5,000 "encounters" per day.  That doesn't mean entry.  And that is far fewer than today.  
    Staff of the respective senators have seen the actual language and they’re writing the legislation. It’ll go down to the wire with horse trading for some deeply buried spending request or change to something, some of which may be buried and not “disclosed” unless you read the full text and catch it but the important thing is that the respective conferences are in agreement and will pass the bill. That the repubs in the house are willing to blow it all up for POOTWH speaks volumes and because they have gerrymandered their districts to be so red of red, they have no cover from a POOTWH primary candidate challenge from the right. It’s a lose-lose. Or brilliant brilliance in all its brilliancy some might say.
    I don't think it's true that anyone in the House has read the proposed bill.  It has not been delivered to them.  That's where the Speaker is really taking the incoming fire, declaring the bill is DOA when it hasn't been released to the public or the House.  
    The final bill, no. But the meat and potatoes, the substance, absolutely. Otherwise, they wouldn’t have announced a “deal.” Now, whether the house will schedule a vote after release of the bill or hem and haw and look at their shoes and shuffle their feet, remains to be seen. Sometimes a reasonable review period is allowed before the vote is scheduled and other times it’s “rammed through” with little time to review it before the vote.

    What this boils down to is that the house repubs can’t manage their caucus because of the freedumb caucus and the 800 pound POOTWH elephant in the room. We’ve seen this act already. They created the “crisis”, now there’s a bipartisan solution proposed and they want to run from it so they can run on it. They have a choice, pass it and take credit and maybe keep the house or never schedule a vote or vote it down and lose the house and WH. And it’s all POOTWH.

    They really need to stop listening to the cult for their political advice as they really only represent the 35-40%.

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    And the speaker should be talking to Moscow Mitchy Baby to understand what’s in the proposed bill. Hell Brandon agreed to close the border if encounters go up past a number, we know how much funding there is and what resources it goes toward. This isn’t about the wheretos and subject to CFRs etc. They have an agreement on the fundamentals and the Speaker’s pronouncement of DOA without a full bill to read is BS to appease POOTWH and the Freedumb caucus.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,246
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    Well, that was quick. And there’s that “progressive” polling data point I referenced when another poster was claiming Brandon is the “most progressive POTUS since FDR.”

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/01/politics/cnn-poll-trump-biden-election-2024/index.html
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,035
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    mrussel1 said:
    The MAGA meltdown on this is so great.  And it's all a part of the grift.  If the right wing "influencers" actually cared about winning an election vs monetizing anger, they would know not to upset the Swifties.  They are passionately defensive of Taylor.  She's going to endorse Biden.  She is going to push people to register to vote.  It will make a difference.  But the right wing going after Taylor is just going to make it that much worse for MAGA.  They are setting a trap that they will spring on themselves.  And it's going to be hilarious... again.   

    Good article from the Bulwark.  https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/maga-has-tds-taylor-derangement-syndrome



    As the photo shows she was around in 2020, and it took an enormous mail in vote for Biden to squeak out a win. It will be a gigunda task for Biden to get those 16 million additional votes he received over Hilary’s 2016 total, without an extensive record breaking mail in vote happening this time. he will likely need even more votes this election.
    biden did not "squeak out a win". he won popular vote by 7 million votes and he won the electoral college 306 to 232. trump won the ec in 2016 by the exact same margin and people called it a landslide.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,035
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    mrussel1 said:
    The MAGA meltdown on this is so great.  And it's all a part of the grift.  If the right wing "influencers" actually cared about winning an election vs monetizing anger, they would know not to upset the Swifties.  They are passionately defensive of Taylor.  She's going to endorse Biden.  She is going to push people to register to vote.  It will make a difference.  But the right wing going after Taylor is just going to make it that much worse for MAGA.  They are setting a trap that they will spring on themselves.  And it's going to be hilarious... again.   

    Good article from the Bulwark.  https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/maga-has-tds-taylor-derangement-syndrome



    As the photo shows she was around in 2020, and it took an enormous mail in vote for Biden to squeak out a win. It will be a gigunda task for Biden to get those 16 million additional votes he received over Hilary’s 2016 total, without an extensive record breaking mail in vote happening this time. he will likely need even more votes this election.
    for some reason I feel like she's like 100 times bigger than she was even just 4 years ago. could just be my perception. and a LOT of her fans became voting age over that time. 
    Good point… I’m also not convinced trump’s going to get 74M votes like he did in 2020… I have no doubt he’ll get a lot, but I can’t help but think RvW alone is going to hurt. 
    i think he will get fewer than 74 million. many of his voters have died due to ongoing covid and old age. the gop is a shrinking party. especially after roe was repealed. trump is not winning any new voters, and 3rd party candidates are going to pull more from trump than biden. 71 million tops is my prediction.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,035
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    Biden
    November is eons away. I’m not getting excited. Too early. Way too early.
    If the economy stays decent it will be lights out for tRump. If he is even on the ballot.
    republicans will tell you the economy is in the shitter. because that is what they have been told to say. 
    I met with one of my magat clients this morning....all went well until we were ending the meeting and he says "you might want to contact our senators and congressmen about this new border deal...they're going to let 5,000 illegals in each day" blah blah blah

    As I was driving into work this morning I heard Mike Johnson say that same exact line...

    And the GOP Senators support the bill. Fucking morons.
    i'll show texas. if they keep up with this secession bs i say we let them go but at least get something for texas. i say we sell texas to mexico for 20 trillion bucks. get ourselves out of debt, pay for college and health care for everybody, and then let texas be a territory of mexico and the border issue resolves itself. that will show them.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,504
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    And the speaker should be talking to Moscow Mitchy Baby to understand what’s in the proposed bill. Hell Brandon agreed to close the border if encounters go up past a number, we know how much funding there is and what resources it goes toward. This isn’t about the wheretos and subject to CFRs etc. They have an agreement on the fundamentals and the Speaker’s pronouncement of DOA without a full bill to read is BS to appease POOTWH and the Freedumb caucus.
    This is what I'm talking about.  This is from one-eyed Crenshaw 
    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4443032-crenshaw-hits-gop-colleagues-opposed-to-border-deal-the-height-of-stupidity/

    “The height of stupidity is having a strong opinion on something you know nothing about,” Crenshaw said Thursday. “So, I don’t have a strong opinion on the bill because I haven’t seen it. Nobody has.”
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,246
    mrussel1 said:
    And the speaker should be talking to Moscow Mitchy Baby to understand what’s in the proposed bill. Hell Brandon agreed to close the border if encounters go up past a number, we know how much funding there is and what resources it goes toward. This isn’t about the wheretos and subject to CFRs etc. They have an agreement on the fundamentals and the Speaker’s pronouncement of DOA without a full bill to read is BS to appease POOTWH and the Freedumb caucus.
    This is what I'm talking about.  This is from one-eyed Crenshaw 
    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4443032-crenshaw-hits-gop-colleagues-opposed-to-border-deal-the-height-of-stupidity/

    “The height of stupidity is having a strong opinion on something you know nothing about,” Crenshaw said Thursday. “So, I don’t have a strong opinion on the bill because I haven’t seen it. Nobody has.”
    Again, that’s blowing smoke up everyone’s ass. “Nobody’s seen it” is true but the substance of the bill is known, it’s been negotiated by the respective senate conferences and the majority of both senate parties are ready to vote and pass it. When they do, the house can accept it as is and hold a vote or, the repub majority can pass their own similar bill, and the two bills can go through a reconciliation process for a final bill to be voted upon in both chambers. What Crenshaw is implying by saying “nobody has seen the bill,” suggests that he doesn’t trust his senate colleagues and he doesn’t have a “strong” opinion. How about an opinion on what is known about what is in the bill?

    He could say, “while I haven’t seen a final bill so it’s difficult to comment, I’m encouraged by some aspects that have been reported such as, blah, blah, blah but as you know, the devil is in the details and I look forward to reading the full bill. If I think it’ll secure the border, I’ll support it. If it doesn’t secure the border I’ll say so and the house will offer alternatives.”

    These fucks manufactured a crises and Brandon and the chaos Dems compromised with reasonable repubs in the senate and they’re walking away because of POOTWH and “the ‘nobody’s’ Seen the bill” is a cop out. Are you falling for that lame ass excuse? I’m not.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,246
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    The give away:

    Guess we’ll find out Sunday, just in time for the morning talk shows.

    Asked about Trump, though, Crenshaw told a CNN reporter to not “create some kind of drama here.”

    “Stop instigating against border security,” Crenshaw said. “If the bill sucks, the bill sucks. But we don’t know if the bill sucks.”

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