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    Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,662
    edited January 27
    Nvm
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,287
    Biden
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    I used AOC as an example because everyone agrees she’s a progressive that believes in all those things I listed. I asked one of the others to tell me if she’s a progressive, or a “progressive as defined by right wing media.” Biden doesn’t support defunding the police, and you all are passionate that he’s not a progressive, so I used her as an example. But the other three things; flooding the country with illegals, fear mongering about white supremacy, and promoting transgenderism…Biden supports all that. 
    did you see the latest agreement on border security? kinda shoots holes in the narrative that biden "wants to flood the country with illegals". so i think you can stop using that narrative now.
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,501
    Biden
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    I used AOC as an example because everyone agrees she’s a progressive that believes in all those things I listed. I asked one of the others to tell me if she’s a progressive, or a “progressive as defined by right wing media.” Biden doesn’t support defunding the police, and you all are passionate that he’s not a progressive, so I used her as an example. But the other three things; flooding the country with illegals, fear mongering about white supremacy, and promoting transgenderism…Biden supports all that. 
    Supporting lgbtq is compassionate not progressive.
    Denouncing white supremacy is the right thing to do...it's not progressive. 
    Wanting to flood the country with illegals is not something he supports. He supports the bipartisan bill to help fix the issue. The guy he is running against is actively trying to destroy it. 




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    Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,738
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    I used AOC as an example because everyone agrees she’s a progressive that believes in all those things I listed. I asked one of the others to tell me if she’s a progressive, or a “progressive as defined by right wing media.” Biden doesn’t support defunding the police, and you all are passionate that he’s not a progressive, so I used her as an example. But the other three things; flooding the country with illegals, fear mongering about white supremacy, and promoting transgenderism…Biden supports all that. 
    How does someone promote transgenderism? So someone can be made to be transgendered? 
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,828
    Biden
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    I used AOC as an example because everyone agrees she’s a progressive that believes in all those things I listed. I asked one of the others to tell me if she’s a progressive, or a “progressive as defined by right wing media.” Biden doesn’t support defunding the police, and you all are passionate that he’s not a progressive, so I used her as an example. But the other three things; flooding the country with illegals, fear mongering about white supremacy, and promoting transgenderism…Biden supports all that. 
    did you see the latest agreement on border security? kinda shoots holes in the narrative that biden "wants to flood the country with illegals". so i think you can stop using that narrative now.
    Fox isn't reporting about that deal and the fact that Trump is trying to spike the deal so he has a campaign issue.   They keep their readers uninformed purposely. 
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,287
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    I used AOC as an example because everyone agrees she’s a progressive that believes in all those things I listed. I asked one of the others to tell me if she’s a progressive, or a “progressive as defined by right wing media.” Biden doesn’t support defunding the police, and you all are passionate that he’s not a progressive, so I used her as an example. But the other three things; flooding the country with illegals, fear mongering about white supremacy, and promoting transgenderism…Biden supports all that. 
    did you see the latest agreement on border security? kinda shoots holes in the narrative that biden "wants to flood the country with illegals". so i think you can stop using that narrative now.
    Fox isn't reporting about that deal and the fact that Trump is trying to spike the deal so he has a campaign issue.   They keep their readers uninformed purposely. 
    yeah true. but biden has said if crossings get too high he will shut down the border. this would appease republicans if they actually paid attention to the real news. also if they were serious about addressing the issue, rather than blowing up the deal just to have a jingo for trump to run on.
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,501
    edited January 27
    Biden
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    I used AOC as an example because everyone agrees she’s a progressive that believes in all those things I listed. I asked one of the others to tell me if she’s a progressive, or a “progressive as defined by right wing media.” Biden doesn’t support defunding the police, and you all are passionate that he’s not a progressive, so I used her as an example. But the other three things; flooding the country with illegals, fear mongering about white supremacy, and promoting transgenderism…Biden supports all that. 
    did you see the latest agreement on border security? kinda shoots holes in the narrative that biden "wants to flood the country with illegals". so i think you can stop using that narrative now.
    Fox isn't reporting about that deal and the fact that Trump is trying to spike the deal so he has a campaign issue.   They keep their readers uninformed purposely. 
    yeah true. but biden has said if crossings get too high he will shut down the border. this would appease republicans if they actually paid attention to the real news. also if they were serious about addressing the issue, rather than blowing up the deal just to have a jingo for trump to run on.
    I'm sure actual progressives are thrilled with Biden for saying that. 
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,287
    Biden
    The Juggler said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    I used AOC as an example because everyone agrees she’s a progressive that believes in all those things I listed. I asked one of the others to tell me if she’s a progressive, or a “progressive as defined by right wing media.” Biden doesn’t support defunding the police, and you all are passionate that he’s not a progressive, so I used her as an example. But the other three things; flooding the country with illegals, fear mongering about white supremacy, and promoting transgenderism…Biden supports all that. 
    did you see the latest agreement on border security? kinda shoots holes in the narrative that biden "wants to flood the country with illegals". so i think you can stop using that narrative now.
    Fox isn't reporting about that deal and the fact that Trump is trying to spike the deal so he has a campaign issue.   They keep their readers uninformed purposely. 
    yeah true. but biden has said if crossings get too high he will shut down the border. this would appease republicans if they actually paid attention to the real news. also if they were serious about addressing the issue, rather than blowing up the deal just to have a jingo for trump to run on.
    I'm sure actual progressives are thrilled with Biden for saying that. 
    thus proving that biden is a centrist, not a progressive.

    seriously, this isn't that difficult.

    i guess it is difficult to change words into smears when they do not know/understand the person they are trying to smear.
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,331
    Biden
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    I used AOC as an example because everyone agrees she’s a progressive that believes in all those things I listed. I asked one of the others to tell me if she’s a progressive, or a “progressive as defined by right wing media.” Biden doesn’t support defunding the police, and you all are passionate that he’s not a progressive, so I used her as an example. But the other three things; flooding the country with illegals, fear mongering about white supremacy, and promoting transgenderism…Biden supports all that. 
    People have been giving you reasonable responses refuting the vague nonsense you're spewing and you keep parroting bullshit right wing talking points and using out of context or truncated quotes. You're beyond reason. Good luck at the next insurrect...er, save America rally.

    Hope you have enough guns to fend off all the transgender illegals flooding the country. :murica:
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    Out of My Mind and TimeOut of My Mind and Time Posts: 1,333
    The AMT makes the left sound even more pathetic
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 37,001
    Out of My Mind and Time said:
    The AMT makes the left sound even more pathetic
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,287
    edited January 28
    Biden
    Out of My Mind and Time said:
    The AMT makes the left sound even more pathetic
    and yet, here you are again, lmao. maga posters make it sound exactly like twitter and the rest of the internet. the right wing echo chamber. no facts. no solutions. just anger.
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    Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,238
    Out of My Mind and Time said:
    The AMT makes the left sound even more pathetic

    Too bad Biden wants to shut the border and trump wants illegal immigration to continue. Gonna be a good look for GOP in the general.
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,828
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    Out of My Mind and Time said:
    The AMT makes the left sound even more pathetic
    Oh sure, we’re not as high class as Trump, Giuliani, Moms for Liberty, Kari Lake and the AZ GOP or the broke ass Michigan GOP.  The far right wing is so pathetic.  Sure Ds have some crazy people, but the lunatics run your party.  Sadly, you probably don’t even realize it.
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,287
    Biden
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Out of My Mind and Time said:
    The AMT makes the left sound even more pathetic

    Too bad Biden wants to shut the border and trump wants illegal immigration to continue. Gonna be a good look for GOP in the general.
    this seems so strange, doesn't it? 

    trump wants the issue because it is the only thing he can potentially run on. 
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,828
    Biden
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Out of My Mind and Time said:
    The AMT makes the left sound even more pathetic

    Too bad Biden wants to shut the border and trump wants illegal immigration to continue. Gonna be a good look for GOP in the general.
    this seems so strange, doesn't it? 

    trump wants the issue because it is the only thing he can potentially run on. 
    For sure.  The strong economy is taking away that talking point very quickly.  So now he has to hold on to the border.  
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 36,379
    Biden
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    Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,662
    This invasion at the southern border is so crucial that it must be addressed before we provide anymore aide to Ukraine JUST KIDDING, it can wait until January 2025.

    also: Biden wants to flood the country with illegals. 
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 18,164
    Biden

    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 36,379
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,828
    Biden
    I think you're going to start seeing the polls gravitating toward Biden.  I also think that the polls are over-weighting the % of voters that are Republican.  We have seen that since 2020, where D's outperform the polling averages.  

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4439535-swing-state-voters-trump-convicted-2024/
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 18,164
    edited January 31
    Biden
    tRump isn't getting good polling news today...another poll shows RFK taking more votes from tRump than Biden if he runs third party
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
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    Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,738
    Gern Blansten said:
    tRump isn't getting good polling news today...another poll shows RFK taking more votes from tRump than Biden if he runs third party
    Makes sense since RFK jr is really playing on Covid resentments. 
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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,845
    Biden
    If RFK Jr would be Trump's running mate, they'd actually clean up.

    The only downsides are 1) he's kinda pro-environment (or at least used to be), 2) Trump probably wants a running mate he can sexually harass, and 3) RFK might not be willing to vow to never certify a presidential election for a democrat.

    #3 is the big one. The next VP will have to be willing to do what Pence would not.
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    Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,238
    OnWis97 said:
    If RFK Jr would be Trump's running mate, they'd actually clean up.

    The only downsides are 1) he's kinda pro-environment (or at least used to be), 2) Trump probably wants a running mate he can sexually harass, and 3) RFK might not be willing to vow to never certify a presidential election for a democrat.

    #3 is the big one. The next VP will have to be willing to do what Pence would not.

    Would need to change the 22nd amendment for that to have an impact. Since Biden is current president, Harris oversees the electoral college certification in 2025. If trump wins this election, he would need to run for a third term (which is currently unconstitutional) to have his VP involved
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,828
    Biden
    Gern Blansten said:
    tRump isn't getting good polling news today...another poll shows RFK taking more votes from tRump than Biden if he runs third party
    And right on time, another poll showing Biden with a bit of a surge.  Not every poll will show this, but I think it will be the trendline so long as the economy shows signs of health.  

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4440504-2024-election-biden-leads-trump-growing-gender-gap-quinnipiac-poll/
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 18,164
    edited January 31
    Biden
    Nice...and Biden +12% among independents


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    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 37,001
    November is eons away. I’m not getting excited. Too early. Way too early.
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 18,164
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    November is eons away. I’m not getting excited. Too early. Way too early.
    If the economy stays decent it will be lights out for tRump. If he is even on the ballot.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,845
    Biden
    Lerxst1992 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    If RFK Jr would be Trump's running mate, they'd actually clean up.

    The only downsides are 1) he's kinda pro-environment (or at least used to be), 2) Trump probably wants a running mate he can sexually harass, and 3) RFK might not be willing to vow to never certify a presidential election for a democrat.

    #3 is the big one. The next VP will have to be willing to do what Pence would not.

    Would need to change the 22nd amendment for that to have an impact. Since Biden is current president, Harris oversees the electoral college certification in 2025. If trump wins this election, he would need to run for a third term (which is currently unconstitutional) to have his VP involved
    It's not about Trump but the party. RFK Jr (or whoever) would be doing this for Desantis (or whoever). This is going to be the #1 vetting point for Trump's running mate.
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