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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,211
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JT167846 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    new zealand PM wins second term in a landslide victory, many believe due to her handling of the coronavirus crisis. 
    It was definitely a referendum on the Covid response. The opposition repeatedly said they'd do things differently and given our success that means Kiwis didn't trust their response plan. Since it is ongoing we wanted continuity and the same successful approach. Labour has its holes and is top-heavy but their leader is fantastic and we're proud to have her as our PM. Were she the head of National we'd be just as proud. Smash the response to Covid and win an election in a landslide. Who would have thunk it, eh Donald?
    true, but taking away perceived freedoms for the greater good is a much harder sell in america than pretty much anywhere else on the planet. 
    We are totally selfish! It’s not what’s good for all people I just wanna get mine attitude that ruins Americans, I’m not excluding myself..
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  • JT167846
    JT167846 Posts: 996
    The toxic reverence for that word for way too many Americans had led it to where the whole country is today. Dickheads just won't grow up and do what they're told all the while thinking they're exercising their rights to freedom. There are many all over the world, including here, but the most powerful country in the world is always going to be thrust under the biggest microscope and here sadly one of its foibles is laid bare for the world to see.
    Stars are suns to other people.

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  • Zod
    Zod Posts: 10,970
    Wasn't America founded on not doing what they're told?  That's why they rebelled and created their own constitution.  Fragmenting power between 3 levels of government, so no 1 person could tell them what to do?

    This is a theme upon which America was built :P
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Zod said:
    Wasn't America founded on not doing what they're told?  That's why they rebelled and created their own constitution.  Fragmenting power between 3 levels of government, so no 1 person could tell them what to do?

    This is a theme upon which America was built :P
    America was founded on the genocide of 1st nations people, just like Canada...


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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Zod said:
    Wasn't America founded on not doing what they're told?  That's why they rebelled and created their own constitution.  Fragmenting power between 3 levels of government, so no 1 person could tell them what to do?

    This is a theme upon which America was built :P
    Individual freedom, which has traditionally never been conceptualized as the freedom to harm others. 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • Zod
    Zod Posts: 10,970
    oftenreading said:
    Zod said:
    Wasn't America founded on not doing what they're told?  That's why they rebelled and created their own constitution.  Fragmenting power between 3 levels of government, so no 1 person could tell them what to do?

    This is a theme upon which America was built :P
    Individual freedom, which has traditionally never been conceptualized as the freedom to harm others. 
    Umm didn't they spend the first hundred or so years enslaving African Americans and mass genocide of Native Americans?

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,808
    Zod said:
    oftenreading said:
    Zod said:
    Wasn't America founded on not doing what they're told?  That's why they rebelled and created their own constitution.  Fragmenting power between 3 levels of government, so no 1 person could tell them what to do?

    This is a theme upon which America was built :P
    Individual freedom, which has traditionally never been conceptualized as the freedom to harm others. 
    Umm didn't they spend the first hundred or so years enslaving African Americans and mass genocide of Native Americans?


    Exactly, Zod.  I know some people came to America to seek freedom.  My Amish ancestors came here to escape the religious persecution they faced in Europe.  Others came for similar reasons.  But the flip side of that is that many came for the "opportunities" the land presented and did so by way of continental conquest.  It's all summed up in the Carl Wilson song, "The Trader":

    Trader sailed a jeweled crown
    Humanity rowed the way
    Exploring to command more land
    Scheming how to rule the waves.
    Trader spied a virgin plain
    And named it for velvet robes
    Wrote home declaring,
    "There's a place
    Where totally folks are free
    (Happily completely)
    Nourishment fills the prairies and the hillsides
    And animals stalk the mountains and the seaside
    And fish abound the lakes and birds the skies
    Signed sincerely."

    Trader found the jeweled land
    Was occupied before he came
    By humans of a second look
    Who couldn't even write their names shame
    Trader said they're not as good
    As folks who wear velvet robes
    Wrote home again and asked, "Please help
    Their breasts I see; they're not like me
    Banish them from our prairies and our hillsides
    Clear them from our mountains and our seaside
    I want them off our lakes so please reply
    Signed sincerely."

    Trader he got the crown okay
    Cleared humanity from his way
    He civilized all he saw
    Making changes every single day say
    Shops sprang over the prairies and the hillsides
    Then roads cut through the mountains to the seaside
    The other kind fled to hide, by and by,
    And so sincerely
    Cried.

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Zod said:
    oftenreading said:
    Zod said:
    Wasn't America founded on not doing what they're told?  That's why they rebelled and created their own constitution.  Fragmenting power between 3 levels of government, so no 1 person could tell them what to do?

    This is a theme upon which America was built :P
    Individual freedom, which has traditionally never been conceptualized as the freedom to harm others. 
    Umm didn't they spend the first hundred or so years enslaving African Americans and mass genocide of Native Americans?


    I was not meaning it in that sense; more the sense of the political philosophers of the time, but if applying the principle to those issues, that's a matter of who was viewed as having rights and who was not, in a legal and moral sense. Currently in the US all people are viewed as having certain legal and moral rights, and the traditional definition of freedom did not include intruding on others' rights, but apparently now it does. 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • Spunkie
    Spunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 7,095
    edited October 2020

    It's bizarre, I tell ya, as a Canadian, waiting for the hammer to drop and wondering why in the hell have we been spared thus far, hoping the trend will continue but fearing the Earth will be ravaged.
     
    Post edited by Spunkie on
    I was swimming in the Great Barrier Reef 
    Animals were hiding behind the Coral 
    Except for little Turtle
    I could swear he's trying to talk to me 
    Gurgle Gurgle
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 8,532
    Six feet and masks. I think Canada has shown it can handle that. In the USA that’s like asking for someone’s first born.
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,097
    Could it be canada is more spread out? Just a theory


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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,808
    O Canada- you rock!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 8,532
    lastexitlondon said:
    Could it be canada is more spread out? Just a theory
    they do have a number of larger cities.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,674
    Swedish students playing ”norweigan soft/base ball”



    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    lastexitlondon said:
    Could it be canada is more spread out? Just a theory
    You’d be correct, we country of 35 million and the hotspots are in the heavily populated regions...
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,674
    Worried about India

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,211
    https://apple.news/AAyH-VAxHS_eI7uHkDp2OTQ
    Dangerous & in humane i hope this country will learn from this dark episode of voting for a total dirt bag narcissist pig & if you’re still thinking of sitting this one out I think that’s a giant mistake we’re heade for 300k deaths with no stopping in sight! 
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    josevolution said:
    https://apple.news/AAyH-VAxHS_eI7uHkDp2OTQ
    Dangerous & in humane i hope this country will learn from this dark episode of voting for a total dirt bag narcissist pig & if you’re still thinking of sitting this one out I think that’s a giant mistake we’re heade for 300k deaths with no stopping in sight! 
    How many deaths can be attributed to your shitty health care system?  How many people with no health coverage or inadequate coverage waited too late to seek help?  Blaming everything on Trump or any politician is kind of a simplistic way of looking at things...and the democrats care very little about poor people's health, just like the republicans don't care...because if any of them did then you'd have universal health care.  You guys may have the latest and greatest hospitals but I would never surrender my universal coverage for YOUR greedy system that only puts profits ahead of people...


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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,674
    edited October 2020
    Meltdown99 said:
    josevolution said:
    https://apple.news/AAyH-VAxHS_eI7uHkDp2OTQ
    Dangerous & in humane i hope this country will learn from this dark episode of voting for a total dirt bag narcissist pig & if you’re still thinking of sitting this one out I think that’s a giant mistake we’re heade for 300k deaths with no stopping in sight! 
    How many deaths can be attributed to your shitty health care system?  How many people with no health coverage or inadequate coverage waited too late to seek help?  Blaming everything on Trump or any politician is kind of a simplistic way of looking at things...and the democrats care very little about poor people's health, just like the republicans don't care...because if any of them did then you'd have universal health care.  You guys may have the latest and greatest hospitals but I would never surrender my universal coverage for YOUR greedy system that only puts profits ahead of people...




    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/07/covid-nurse-new-york-financial-help

    In a country where access to affordable healthcare is not guaranteed, New York City nurse Derrick Smith struck a nerve across the US after sharing the last words of a Covid-19 patient who minutes before being intubated asked: “Who’s going to pay for it?”

    His Facebook post went viral six months ago, when cases in the city were surging and the streets echoed with the constant sound of ambulance sirens.

    Today, Smith is shocked about how little the US has done to address healthcare costs during a global pandemic. In part because he has seen Covid-19 patients fearful of the eventual price tag for care leave his hospital against doctors’ advice.

    Smith told the Guardian the inaction was “probably the most upsetting part about it. I don’t know another critical healthcare event that could take place that would necessitate instituting some sort of measure to universalize access to healthcare.”

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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,211
    Meltdown99 said:
    josevolution said:
    https://apple.news/AAyH-VAxHS_eI7uHkDp2OTQ
    Dangerous & in humane i hope this country will learn from this dark episode of voting for a total dirt bag narcissist pig & if you’re still thinking of sitting this one out I think that’s a giant mistake we’re heade for 300k deaths with no stopping in sight! 
    How many deaths can be attributed to your shitty health care system?  How many people with no health coverage or inadequate coverage waited too late to seek help?  Blaming everything on Trump or any politician is kind of a simplistic way of looking at things...and the democrats care very little about poor people's health, just like the republicans don't care...because if any of them did then you'd have universal health care.  You guys may have the latest and greatest hospitals but I would never surrender my universal coverage for YOUR greedy system that only puts profits ahead of people...


    ACÁ was a start it’s wasn’t perfect ! In comes this administration wants to just gut it with no replacement yes both sides have missed the boat but to not blame Covidiot is blind just by him stating from the beginning that masks save lives it could of saved thousands of lives! 
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
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