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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,118
    As an American, living here,in the USA, it’s a land of opportunities. But if you arrive here, not as a citizen? And try hard and still fail? Guess you need thoughts and prayers? 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Maybe, like maybe, Scully, the “truth” is out there? Maybe, I should “listen” to the other side.Right? So, is the earth flat? Is covid a hoax? Maybe Tupac shot Biggie? Or global temperature rise is a farce? Or sheriff deputies were directed to load their trunk months ago, so dire was the future. Then? Then there were rioters, chaos, jumping on the bus, to freedom or incarceration, but it was taken as granted as truth. Because someone told someone else so. See how that works? No, you don’t. Yea yea yea!
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Biden
    Most commentators I've heard so far give the edge to Harris but also say, almost to a person, that this debate won't move the needle either way.   Pence did gain one big point when he flat out asked Harris if she and Biden were going to "pack the court".  That had me squirming a bit.  But, damn, what could she say?  Tell the truth?  Dodge the question?  Tough one.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,118
    mace1229 said:
    The Juggler said:
    mace1229 said:
    RunIntoTheRain said:
    The interrupting and refusing to stop talking is annoying. 
    Only about halfway through, recorded it and watching it later.
    But so far there’s been very minimal interrupting. The refusing to stop taking is only annoying because of the moderator. You can’t expect people to stop mid sentence. Give them a 10 second warning or something. Instead she just repeats “please stop taking” over and over when they just need 5-10 seconds to finish a sentence. That’s what’s annoying. Just say “times up, finish your thought” and leave it for 10 seconds.
    Seriously?

    Harris wins tonight because she had better answers for the issues people care most about: covid, economy and healthcare. Nothing else matters much. 

    I thought Pence was really annoying just disregarded the rules...not to the blatant extent his boss did last week but still in an obvious way. I think it turns off the majority of voters. They need to be able to cut mic's or something. 

     
    Yeah, at least to the point I’ve watched, I was just commenting on the interrupting, not who’s winning or has better answer.  I said I’ve only seen about half so far so unless it got worse later on.
    There has been minimal interruptions, and the run on answers have been about 10 seconds. Which seems reasonable. Tell them times up and give them 10 seconds to finish, not a constant “thank thank, thank you, thank you.....”

    As far as interrupting each other, they both have. But just a few times. Harris seems to have been coached to draw intention to it. Pence can just say “not true” while Harris is talking and leave it at that and Harris will stop her point and say “I’m speaking right now. Please stop and respect my speaking.”
    Harris will interrupt Pence, but he just keeps talking like a normal person. Not trying to talk down to someone as if they’re 3 years old. That’s more annoying that Pence taking an extra 10 seconds, which Harris is doing too.
    What does this even mean? Really? Bubba?
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mace1229 said:
    The Juggler said:
    mace1229 said:
    RunIntoTheRain said:
    The interrupting and refusing to stop talking is annoying. 
    Only about halfway through, recorded it and watching it later.
    But so far there’s been very minimal interrupting. The refusing to stop taking is only annoying because of the moderator. You can’t expect people to stop mid sentence. Give them a 10 second warning or something. Instead she just repeats “please stop taking” over and over when they just need 5-10 seconds to finish a sentence. That’s what’s annoying. Just say “times up, finish your thought” and leave it for 10 seconds.
    Seriously?

    Harris wins tonight because she had better answers for the issues people care most about: covid, economy and healthcare. Nothing else matters much. 

    I thought Pence was really annoying just disregarded the rules...not to the blatant extent his boss did last week but still in an obvious way. I think it turns off the majority of voters. They need to be able to cut mic's or something. 

     
    Yeah, at least to the point I’ve watched, I was just commenting on the interrupting, not who’s winning or has better answer.  I said I’ve only seen about half so far so unless it got worse later on.
    There has been minimal interruptions, and the run on answers have been about 10 seconds. Which seems reasonable. Tell them times up and give them 10 seconds to finish, not a constant “thank thank, thank you, thank you.....”

    As far as interrupting each other, they both have. But just a few times. Harris seems to have been coached to draw intention to it. Pence can just say “not true” while Harris is talking and leave it at that and Harris will stop her point and say “I’m speaking right now. Please stop and respect my speaking.”
    Harris will interrupt Pence, but he just keeps talking like a normal person. Not trying to talk down to someone as if they’re 3 years old. That’s more annoying that Pence taking an extra 10 seconds, which Harris is doing too.
    The worst observation of a claim to be relevant to matter of the importance of what matters because my attention span spiraled so I consulted and was told by someone but checked and it made sense except when I did it did or didn’t line up because last time it happened a while ago I wondered and so what that shouldn’t matter does, right? Am I right?
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,467
    edited October 2020
    I'm sitting this one out
    Weird seeing a debate where someones uses "They want to get rid of fossil fuels!" as an argument against.

    The same, with not being able to say they trust the science on climate change.

    Sorry, but:



    Scary stuff.

    Waiting for the fly.
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  • stuckinline
    stuckinline Posts: 3,406
    Biden
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    pence just could not stop at the red lights. he blew through the moderator on every single question. he did not once stop when his time was up.

    this debate did not help trump any. harris did a good job with the negligence on covid, how trump inherited obama/biden economy and ruined it, how trump called dead soldiers and mccain losers, and defending her own record as a prosecutor.

    i followed along on twitter and i think harris may have resonated with women more because pence kept talking over her. the same way most women have experienced a lesser qualified man doing that to them at some point in their career. the misogyny was resonating during the live tweet.
    I agree about Harris resonating with women, it was quite powerful when she said "Mr. Vice President, I'm speaking"  
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,467
    I'm sitting this one out
    The Juggler said:
    mace1229 said:
    The Juggler said:
    mace1229 said:
    RunIntoTheRain said:
    The interrupting and refusing to stop talking is annoying. 
    Only about halfway through, recorded it and watching it later.
    But so far there’s been very minimal interrupting. The refusing to stop taking is only annoying because of the moderator. You can’t expect people to stop mid sentence. Give them a 10 second warning or something. Instead she just repeats “please stop taking” over and over when they just need 5-10 seconds to finish a sentence. That’s what’s annoying. Just say “times up, finish your thought” and leave it for 10 seconds.
    Seriously?

    Harris wins tonight because she had better answers for the issues people care most about: covid, economy and healthcare. Nothing else matters much. 

    I thought Pence was really annoying just disregarded the rules...not to the blatant extent his boss did last week but still in an obvious way. I think it turns off the majority of voters. They need to be able to cut mic's or something. 

     
    Yeah, at least to the point I’ve watched, I was just commenting on the interrupting, not who’s winning or has better answer.  I said I’ve only seen about half so far so unless it got worse later on.
    There has been minimal interruptions, and the run on answers have been about 10 seconds. Which seems reasonable. Tell them times up and give them 10 seconds to finish, not a constant “thank thank, thank you, thank you.....”

    As far as interrupting each other, they both have. But just a few times. Harris seems to have been coached to draw intention to it. Pence can just say “not true” while Harris is talking and leave it at that and Harris will stop her point and say “I’m speaking right now. Please stop and respect my speaking.”
    Harris will interrupt Pence, but he just keeps talking like a normal person. Not trying to talk down to someone as if they’re 3 years old. That’s more annoying that Pence taking an extra 10 seconds, which Harris is doing too.
    Pence clearly went over his time and interrupted way more than Harris. 

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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,993
    Biden
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    wndowpayne said:
    Fly smells bullshit
    That fly will probably get a couple hundred write-in votes. 
    The fly is gaining some support. 


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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    edited October 2020
    Biden
    Virtual debate announced and trump says he won't participate.  Honestly that is just perfect for Biden.  Could not have worked out better.  Let the crazy Trump who's sick be the image. I suppose there will be a third but let people keep voting. 
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    Virtual debate announced and trump says he won't participate.  Honestly that is just perfect for Biden.  Could not have worked out better.  Let the crazy Trump who's sick be the image. I suppose there will be a third but let people keep voting. 
    Hahahaha

    Trump should just resign at this point. 
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  • mickeyrat
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    Biden
    so do I understand this correctly? Trump would prefer to share his diagnosis (literally) with select voters instead of a virtual appearance?
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  • Lerxst1992
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    mrussel1 said:
    Virtual debate announced and trump says he won't participate.  Honestly that is just perfect for Biden.  Could not have worked out better.  Let the crazy Trump who's sick be the image. I suppose there will be a third but let people keep voting. 

    They should announce the debate goes on and trump will be represented by a blank screen. Free 90 minutes for Biden on all the networks (except Trump TV on Fox).
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    Biden
    So now the next news cycle is going to be about Trump backing out of the debate.

    Folks, 2016 is so far in the rearview mirror you can't even see it anymore. Trump is weak. Trump is done. 


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  • The Juggler
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    Biden
    mickeyrat said:
    so do I understand this correctly? Trump would prefer to share his diagnosis (literally) with select voters instead of a virtual appearance?
    Yes. Instead, he will share his covid with thousands more at a rally.
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  • jpgoegel
    jpgoegel Posts: 415
    Biden
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Virtual debate announced and trump says he won't participate.  Honestly that is just perfect for Biden.  Could not have worked out better.  Let the crazy Trump who's sick be the image. I suppose there will be a third but let people keep voting. 

    They should announce the debate goes on and trump will be represented by a blank screen. Free 90 minutes for Biden on all the networks (except Trump TV on Fox).
    or bring back Clint Eastwood's empty chair, to fill in for 45
  • OnWis97
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    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    Virtual debate announced and trump says he won't participate.  Honestly that is just perfect for Biden.  Could not have worked out better.  Let the crazy Trump who's sick be the image. I suppose there will be a third but let people keep voting. 
    Yeah.  Biden not having to debate and it being Trump’s fault is perfect.  The only way it could be better is if so many Americans didn’t view his hissy fits as strength.
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  • mickeyrat
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    Biden
    thought it was a townhall?
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    Biden
    mickeyrat said:
    thought it was a townhall?
    correct....changed to a virtual townhall which seemed reasonable
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