Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

The Juggler

Biden

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

Virtual debate announced and trump says he won't participate.  Honestly that is just perfect for Biden.  Could not have worked out better.  Let the crazy Trump who's sick be the image. I suppose there will be a third but let people keep voting. 

Yeah.  Biden not having to debate and it being Trump’s fault is perfect.  The only way it could be better is if so many Americans didn’t view his hissy fits as strength.

Well the number of people who do view it as a strength are shrinking in numbers by the day. And they were already in the minority.

Advantage: America. 

HughFreakingDillon

Biden

brianlux said:

Most commentators I've heard so far give the edge to Harris but also say, almost to a person, that this debate won't move the needle either way.   Pence did gain one big point when he flat out asked Harris if she and Biden were going to "pack the court".  That had me squirming a bit.  But, damn, what could she say?  Tell the truth?  Dodge the question?  Tough one.

that was weird. she just sat there and smiled. 

Gern Blansten

Biden

I still don't understand why they don't respond with "at this point we have no intention of doing that and have not discussed it"

dignin

She evaded one question. Pence evaded them all.

Jearlpam0925

Biden

I mean flies are attracted to carcasses.

I think Biden needs to show up to the debate Zoom and then keep asking where Trump is - "I'll text him"; "Let me send him an email". Just record the whole thing then stream it/send it to socials. The narrative writes itself.

dankind

I'm sitting this one out

The answer should have been that we should let the citizens decide regarding adding seats to the courts. If it's clear after every last vote is counted that the nation wishes to head in another direction (or just have more balance, in general; i.e. executive and senate flips), then the Biden administration will push for a special election on a proposition to add a couplefew more justices to the court to rebalance the scale. If the results of that special election are that Americans are fine with an overwhelmingly conservative SC, then they get what they asked for; if not, then the Biden administration will appoint a couplefew more justices -- and, again, Americans get what they asked for.

I thought that she was heading in that direction when she said that they should wait for the election to see what the American people decide in 2020.

HughFreakingDillon

Biden

Gern Blansten said:

I still don't understand why they don't respond with "at this point we have no intention of doing that and have not discussed it"

i'm guessing at this point they know it won't lose them voters to say nothing, but it will win voters who are on the fence and worried about roe v wade. 

mickeyrat

Biden

HughFreakingDillon

Biden

lol. flies sure love dung, don't they?

Jearlpam0925

Biden

Haha, Biden campaign bought flywillvote.com and had it redirect to iwillvote.com

HughFreakingDillon

Biden

Jearlpam0925 said:

Haha, Biden campaign bought flywillvote.com and had it redirect to iwillvote.com

hahaha

The Juggler

Biden

dankind said:

The answer should have been that we should let the citizens decide regarding adding seats to the courts. If it's clear after every last vote is counted that the nation wishes to head in another direction (or just have more balance, in general; i.e. executive and senate flips), then the Biden administration will push for a special election on a proposition to add a couplefew more justices to the court to rebalance the scale. If the results of that special election are that Americans are fine with an overwhelmingly conservative SC, then they get what they asked for; if not, then the Biden administration will appoint a couplefew more justices -- and, again, Americans get what they asked for.

I thought that she was heading in that direction when she said that they should wait for the election to see what the American people decide in 2020.

A special election? How would that even work?

The Juggler

Biden

Hell of an ad right here....

https://youtu.be/dkQaVngJB5E

Lerxst1992

Gern Blansten said:

I still don't understand why they don't respond with "at this point we have no intention of doing that and have not discussed it"

I wouldn’t say that because they may be forced to do it. A 6 to 3 court could allow republicans to legislate from the bench. If they win congress and presidency , it is their right to do it. ( it should only be done in conjunction with DC statehood).

It is a very easy question to answer. I’d respond by saying “... the republicans have manipulated rules to stack the court currently. RBG has said she didn’t retire when Obama was president  because of the filibuster. When democrats were in the minority, Pence’s party conveniently took away the filibuster. When Obama had an empty seat to fill, the constitution says the senate provides advise and consent, which has aLways been interpreted to be an up or down vote, which forces all senators to go on record. That seat is now held by a republican nominee. These are unprecedented actions.”

“So you see 2 of the current seats will likely be held by republican nominees as a result of extreme rule manipulation. Adding judges to the court is not a manipulation, it’s a right bestowed on congress by the constitution. If the next congress examines this constitutional power, it would be Joe Biden’s right to consider all constitutional alternatives on this manner.”

Of course, its better if Biden answers this question.

HughFreakingDillon

Biden

There should be a law/provision that states the congress is required to take up and vote on any nomination by the president. garland may have gotten through. maybe not. but at least it would have gone to a vote. the majority leader should have singular final say. that's just absurd. 

dankind

I'm sitting this one out

The Juggler said:

dankind said:

The answer should have been that we should let the citizens decide regarding adding seats to the courts. If it's clear after every last vote is counted that the nation wishes to head in another direction (or just have more balance, in general; i.e. executive and senate flips), then the Biden administration will push for a special election on a proposition to add a couplefew more justices to the court to rebalance the scale. If the results of that special election are that Americans are fine with an overwhelmingly conservative SC, then they get what they asked for; if not, then the Biden administration will appoint a couplefew more justices -- and, again, Americans get what they asked for.

I thought that she was heading in that direction when she said that they should wait for the election to see what the American people decide in 2020.

A special election? How would that even work?

States have them all the time. They work just fine.

Lerxst1992

HughFreakingDillon said:

There should be a law/provision that states the congress is required to take up and vote on any nomination by the president. garland may have gotten through. maybe not. but at least it would have gone to a vote. the majority leader should have singular final say. that's just absurd. 

Ironically that law could be quickly stricken down by the Court, and I’m sure the GOP would ignore it or tie it up in the courts. Blocking new states and new justices would be more challenging to block

The only constitutional provisions I am aware to combat how Rs manipulate laws and rules for extending their own power (we should add gerrymandering and voting restrictions as GOP manipulations) is DC statehood and adding justices. These are congressional powers and its a long road overdue for the Dems to play McConnell style hardball. If the filibuster is not applicable to one third of the Supreme Court it should be removed for areas that balance this abuse.  

Spiritual_Chaos

I'm sitting this one out

Myself, I am happy to live in a democracy (no, not Russia - Sweden) and believe that if the US is not a democracy, than rebuild yourself as one. Instead of whatever Mike Lee wants you to be.

EDIT:

https://twitter.com/Jemsinger/status/1312457634306424833?s=20

DEMOCRACY LEADS TO COMMUNISM! WATCH OUT! 

Spiritual_Chaos

I'm sitting this one out

https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/1314221556562907149?s=20

Gern Blansten

Biden

https://twitter.com/edokeefe/status/1314229045865873416/photo/1

LOL