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  • Posts: 41,952
    If cops having fire crackers and hard objects thrown at them isn’t madness, then we just differ on our definitions of madness. 

    And the peaceful protesters are part of the issue. The “handful” of rioters hang out among them, wait for night to fall, and then they start their shit. Until those protests stop, the riots will continue. 

    And what are the peaceful protesters even protesting at this point? Still police brutality? Well when does that end? Derek Chauvin’s conviction? Biden’s election? Or does God himself have to come down and declare that black lives matter and systemic racism is eradicated?
    What difference does any of that make? I guess you just want to suspend or eliminate the 1st Amendment? Get back in your place everyone, stop making me scared.

    You know when and how it ends? When there have been systemic reforms in and to and accountability for LE. And the feds stop with their gestapo tactics.

    Snatching people off the streets isn't "madness?" Pushing old people to the ground isn't "madness"? Breaking limbs of and pepper spraying military vets isn't "madness?" Shooting people in the head with pepperballs isn't "madness?"

    Guess we'll just have to differ on our definitions of madness.
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    Biden
    What difference does any of that make? I guess you just want to suspend or eliminate the 1st Amendment? Get back in your place everyone, stop making me scared.

    You know when and how it ends? When there have been systemic reforms in and to and accountability for LE. And the feds stop with their gestapo tactics.

    Snatching people off the streets isn't "madness?" Pushing old people to the ground isn't "madness"? Breaking limbs of and pepper spraying military vets isn't "madness?" Shooting people in the head with pepperballs isn't "madness?"

    Guess we'll just have to differ on our definitions of madness.
    Nope, don’t wanna suspend anyone’s first amendment rights. I’m just saying as long as those protests go on, the rioters will be rioting, and Trump’s feds will be shooting them with pepperballs and the like. 
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    Biden
    Nope, don’t wanna suspend anyone’s first amendment rights. I’m just saying as long as those protests go on, the rioters will be rioting, and Trump’s feds will be shooting them with pepperballs and the like. 
    in effect you are blaming peaceful protesters for the existence of rioters. 
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  • Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    If cops having fire crackers and hard objects thrown at them isn’t madness, then we just differ on our definitions of madness. 

    And the peaceful protesters are part of the issue. The “handful” of rioters hang out among them, wait for night to fall, and then they start their shit. Until those protests stop, the riots will continue. 

    And what are the peaceful protesters even protesting at this point? Still police brutality? Well when does that end? Derek Chauvin’s conviction? Biden’s election? Or does God himself have to come down and declare that black lives matter and systemic racism is eradicated?

    Peaceful protesters have a right to continue to protest as long as they wish. It's not like police brutality has evaporated overnight just because some people have gotten tired of the issue and want the protests to go away. 
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  • Posts: 9,478
    in effect you are blaming peaceful protesters for the existence of rioters. 

    I'm curious how many other countries in history let democracy slip away because citizens just became annoyed about the people hitting the streets protesting for their rights. Effectively fighting for the rights of those annoyed people sitting at home.
  • Posts: 16,991
    Biden
    in effect you are blaming peaceful protesters for the existence of rioters. 
    I’m just saying if there weren’t so many people in the streets, the rioters wouldn’t be able to riot. If that’s “blaming” them, then whatever. There’s enough media outlets praising them for their social justice initiative and minimizing the rioters that one dissenting opinion on a left-wing message board isn’t going to ruin their reputation with the masses. 
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  • Posts: 41,952
    I’m just saying if there weren’t so many people in the streets, the rioters wouldn’t be able to riot. If that’s “blaming” them, then whatever. There’s enough media outlets praising them for their social justice initiative and minimizing the rioters that one dissenting opinion on a left-wing message board isn’t going to ruin their reputation with the masses. 
    But you're blaming "them," and not the source, buh, buh, buh ANTIFA.

    https://www.npr.org/2020/06/10/874339995/doj-cases-brought-over-protests-show-no-links-to-antifa-so-far

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/502008-justice-department-records-show-no-links-to-antifa-in-protests-report

    Meanwhile.............

    https://theintercept.com/2020/07/15/george-floyd-protests-police-far-right-antifa/

    Get back in your place and stop scaring me!
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  • Posts: 16,991
    Biden
    But you're blaming "them," and not the source, buh, buh, buh ANTIFA.

    https://www.npr.org/2020/06/10/874339995/doj-cases-brought-over-protests-show-no-links-to-antifa-so-far

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/502008-justice-department-records-show-no-links-to-antifa-in-protests-report

    Meanwhile.............

    https://theintercept.com/2020/07/15/george-floyd-protests-police-far-right-antifa/

    Get back in your place and stop scaring me!
    I didn’t mention the word “antifa” in relation to any of this. Buh buh buh you bring up antifa all the time, as you have here. 
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  • Posts: 49,590
    Biden
    tbergs said:
    Did we lose Portland? People are outside one building breaching a fence and engaging with federal police. There's been trash fires and an attempted burning of a statue. What is there, a few hundred people out there? Hardly chaos. The violence (limited from what I've read) and property damage aren't ok, but it's not some war zone.

    If Trump wins, yes people will protest. But I expect that only because of the rhetoric he's set with his whole mail in voter fraud and illegals voting bullshit. No way he wins the popular vote and it will be an even bigger loss in that regard this time so if he somehow claims victory and it's not decisively clear, people aren't just going to accept it. I don't see much happening if he loses. His minions won't know what to do.
    Fox News and Trump want people to think Portland is complete chaos. Luckily the people they are succeeding with is a diminishing minority. 
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    Biden
    Fox News and Trump want people to think Portland is complete chaos. Luckily the people they are succeeding with is a diminishing minority. 
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  • Posts: 49,590
    Biden
    mickeyrat said:
    saw somewhere , its a block around the courthouse......
    chop was 6 blocks.
    Plays well on the ol' boob tube though! LAW AND ORDER!!!! AMERICA!!
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  • Posts: 41,952
    I didn’t mention the word “antifa” in relation to any of this. Buh buh buh you bring up antifa all the time, as you have here. 
    But you're blaming "them" for the unrest and rioting and claiming the peaceful protesters should stop because of "them." Maybe we should take all the guns away from "responsible" gun owners because of well, "responsible" gun owners?
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    Biden
    But you're blaming "them" for the unrest and rioting and claiming the peaceful protesters should stop because of "them." Maybe we should take all the guns away from "responsible" gun owners because of well, "responsible" gun owners?
    Follow along if you can....

    Hugh suggested that in effect I was blaming peaceful protesters. 

    I said that if there weren’t so many people (the  peaceful protesters) in the streets, there wouldn’t be rioters in the streets with them. And if that’s blaming them (the peaceful protesters), then whatever. 

    So it looks like the HalifaxBot’s algorithm is malfunctioning. It’s programmed to be defensive of antifa and bring up “responsible gun owners.” But here, we weren’t even talking about antifa or guns. 
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  • Posts: 41,952
    Follow along if you can....

    Hugh suggested that in effect I was blaming peaceful protesters. 

    I said that if there weren’t so many people (the  peaceful protesters) in the streets, there wouldn’t be rioters in the streets with them. And if that’s blaming them (the peaceful protesters), then whatever. 

    So it looks like the HalifaxBot’s algorithm is malfunctioning. It’s programmed to be defensive of antifa and bring up “responsible gun owners.” But here, we weren’t even talking about antifa or guns. 
    No, but you're suggesting peaceful protesters stay home and not exercise their 1A rights because of the minority of rioters and I'm equating that to suggesting that we suspend the 2A because of all of those "responsible" gun owners. I'm pointing out the ridiculousness of what you posit. And weren't you blaming ANTIFA previously? I'm pointing out that its a fallacy that ANTIFA is responsible for the violence at the protests based on credible reporting and indictments issued. Did you enjoy Payapal's take down of CYA Barr in yesterday's hearing regarding the "equal application" of law enforcement, white supremacists vs. BLM?

    Then "whatever" indeed.
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    Biden
    No, but you're suggesting peaceful protesters stay home and not exercise their 1A rights because of the minority of rioters and I'm equating that to suggesting that we suspend the 2A because of all of those "responsible" gun owners. I'm pointing out the ridiculousness of what you posit. And weren't you blaming ANTIFA previously? I'm pointing out that its a fallacy that ANTIFA is responsible for the violence at the protests based on credible reporting and indictments issued. Did you enjoy Payapal's take down of CYA Barr in yesterday's hearing regarding the "equal application" of law enforcement, white supremacists vs. BLM?

    Then "whatever" indeed.
    Nope. I can’t confirm who Antifa is or what their  involvement is so I’ve haven’t mentioned them as a perpetrator of any sorts. Wouldn’t be surprised at all if they were, but I don’t know. 
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    edited July 2020
    static111 said:
    I see it as another move to appease the right rather than the progressive base. Throw us some kind of a bone. Most of us that are reasonable don’t expect our wishlist, and even some of the more extreme on the left will be ok with some form of symbolic gesture.  To continue this right wing pandering is going to lose the far left. Whether the DNC wants the far left or not, they need the votes.
    I don’t know, I think that federal marijuana legalization would garner a lot of support from independent voters and many conservatives, actually.  The far right, maybe not, but I don’t think they are going to vote any other way no matter what democrats wave in front of them.  Any candidate that says firmly that they will decriminalize drugs and legalize weed would get my vote.  I think the war on drugs has resulted in more wasted $ and inhumanity than anything in modern times.  It’s time for it to end.
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    Biden
    ^
    I concur with mr @PJPOWER here. 
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    excellent strategy. i dig it. 


    Definitely where it’s at.
  • Posts: 7,772
    Plays well on the ol' boob tube though! LAW AND ORDER!!!! AMERICA!!


    That’s what I am thinking. Trump only cares about the TV show it creates and helps his side have something to cover and gets covid off of his tv show and replaces it with something that makes liberal protesters look evil.

    and it may be working. CNBC released a bunch of polls today that look to be closing, with Biden up only about 3 points in MI and PA. States that looked to be returning to the solid D category this year.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/elections/
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    Biden
    Surprised to see Pennsylvania so close in that poll. Though the RCP average has Biden at +6. 
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