JW269453 said:

static111 said:

RYME said:

https://flattenthefear.com/

“ Together we’ve flattened the curve, now it’s time to flatten the fear.” lol since when did we flatten the curve? We are spiking in Texas and even our dingbat governor is starting to get alarmed.    We actually have a higher spike than the original shutdown! Jobs creator network. A product of Home Depot co founder and CEO  Bernie Marcus.  That’s a source you can trust for sure.   Naaaaaaaa I’ll stick with places like https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/new-cases Johns Hopkins university.  Jobs Creator Network....looking out for our freedom to earn a living.  Can you spell P-R-O-P-A-G-A-N-D-A? Probably not if you take anything the jobs creator network says at face value

Off topic, but every time I hear Abbott speak it sounds like he is trying to mimic the eloquence of Obama.

It’s hard to take an appointed governor seriously. Especially when he says things like I had no idea the virus could get out of hand so fast.  Like what experts are you surrounding yourself with?

bbiggs said:

mrussel1 said:

RYME said:

mrussel1 said:

RYME said:

https://flattenthefear.com/

"Jobs creator network" 

I'll take my medical advice from those without an ulterior motive. 

https://4-h.org/about/research/#!healthy-living
It's just a survey (young people) 

I have three children, all affected by this pandemic.  Once missed all of his high school senior activities, the other missed her entire second semester of her last year of college, including graduating Summa, and my 11 year old could care less at this point.  I'm sure kids are affected.  But sending them back into a petri dish where they infect each other and consequently family members is not an appropriate solution.  It's stunning how callous so many people have been about this issue. 

Has it been proven that transmission rates amongst young children is equal to that of adults?  Or that a child can transmit the virus to an adult as easily as adult to adult?  I’ve seen reports claiming that child to child transmission is extremely low and the viral load from a child is small enough that it would be far less likely to infect a grown adult in comparison to the other way around.  I don’t have that data to attach and cannot claim it to be fact, but has it been proven otherwise?  If not, I seriously question whether keeping kids at home from school is a better option.  There are potentially serious, long term consequences from an educational, developmental and mental well being standpoint by removing kids from the classroom. 

We don't know yet. The data are inconclusive and incomplete. Some studies suggest this, and others the opposite. In some countries children seem minimally affected, while in others the infection rate has spiked. It definitely has not yet been proven that child to child transmission is very low or that the viral load in too small to infect an adult. 

One more thing @bbiggs, I am an advocate for some of the modified schedules I've seen bantied about.  Like cutting class size in half and only half the children attend on a given day, and you work from home the other day.  I'd be okay with sending my daughter into school like that.  I would not be okay with 'normal school' like Trump and Devos are currently pushing.  I'm confident my state of VA won't be so reckless. 

mrussel1 said:

bbiggs said:

mrussel1 said:

RYME said:

mrussel1 said:

RYME said:

https://flattenthefear.com/

"Jobs creator network" 

I'll take my medical advice from those without an ulterior motive. 

https://4-h.org/about/research/#!healthy-living
It's just a survey (young people) 

I have three children, all affected by this pandemic.  Once missed all of his high school senior activities, the other missed her entire second semester of her last year of college, including graduating Summa, and my 11 year old could care less at this point.  I'm sure kids are affected.  But sending them back into a petri dish where they infect each other and consequently family members is not an appropriate solution.  It's stunning how callous so many people have been about this issue. 

Has it been proven that transmission rates amongst young children is equal to that of adults?  Or that a child can transmit the virus to an adult as easily as adult to adult?  I’ve seen reports claiming that child to child transmission is extremely low and the viral load from a child is small enough that it would be far less likely to infect a grown adult in comparison to the other way around.  I don’t have that data to attach and cannot claim it to be fact, but has it been proven otherwise?  If not, I seriously question whether keeping kids at home from school is a better option.  There are potentially serious, long term consequences from an educational, developmental and mental well being standpoint by removing kids from the classroom. 

I think we need to define what it means to be a child anatomically.  It's certainly true that teenagers have been catching the virus and there are deaths attributable to it.  So you're talking middle and high school there.  There was a French study that showed that the infection rate for young children was much lower than adults but that was in a small French town, only 500 people and it was not peer reviewed.  So I'm not sure there is data to support it at this point.  

While I agree with you that there are negatives to them being in out of school, I'm not sure that in the grand scheme of life, it's important enough to risk the infections to themselves and to their parents (and teachers).  At the end of the day, everyone in the US could attend an extra year of school that was affected (read every child between 6-17) and it was not be the end of the world or their lives. 

Good information and perspective.  My kids are 7 and 9 and was thinking more along those lines. I’ve seen reports that depression and suicide rates are up amongst teens as well, which is another potential byproduct of the current state.  I feel for the kids all the way around.  This really is a tricky situation with no good answers.  

JW269453 said: to

static111 said:

JW269453 said:

static111 said:

RYME said:

https://flattenthefear.com/

“ Together we’ve flattened the curve, now it’s time to flatten the fear.” lol since when did we flatten the curve? We are spiking in Texas and even our dingbat governor is starting to get alarmed.    We actually have a higher spike than the original shutdown! Jobs creator network. A product of Home Depot co founder and CEO  Bernie Marcus.  That’s a source you can trust for sure.   Naaaaaaaa I’ll stick with places like https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/new-cases Johns Hopkins university.  Jobs Creator Network....looking out for our freedom to earn a living.  Can you spell P-R-O-P-A-G-A-N-D-A? Probably not if you take anything the jobs creator network says at face value

Off topic, but every time I hear Abbott speak it sounds like he is trying to mimic the eloquence of Obama.

It’s hard to take an appointed governor seriously. Especially when he says things like I had no idea the virus could get out of hand so fast.  Like what experts are you surrounding yourself with?

Right, as soon as bars and clubs were set to reopen I knew we were going to take multiple steps back. There was a time when I also lived for myself and probably would have joined in the idiocy, but those years are long gone. No politician can speed the development of the frontal lobe and much of the spread can be directly attributed to this.

Wonderfully said...though I think even in my youth, I would still take it seriously. 

Also, the American Academy of Pediatrics is recommending students' physical presence in school

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/us/coronavirus-schools-reopening-guidelines-aap.html

My 8 year old did school in June on Mondays and Tuesdays as we have low cases here. I am waiting to see the children numbers spike again in the US which happens a couple of weeks later than the adults. I want to learn more about MIS-C from the next batch from US studies.

mrussel1 said:

One more thing @bbiggs, I am an advocate for some of the modified schedules I've seen bantied about.  Like cutting class size in half and only half the children attend on a given day, and you work from home the other day.  I'd be okay with sending my daughter into school like that.  I would not be okay with 'normal school' like Trump and Devos are currently pushing.  I'm confident my state of VA won't be so reckless. 

I just watched my school board meeting where the school division task force shared four detail options and how they would work: 100%  attend 4 dyas a week; 50% attend 2 days a week; 25% attend 1 day a week; 100% online. It's such a mess. The only thing I know for certain is that regardless of which option the board votes on next week, I will have a professional development day every Monday. The school board will decide next week.

From a teaching/learning viewpoint, the hybrid models look to be the worst, in my view. The sample schedules they shared for every age group were confusing as hell. The continuity of instruction would be very difficult to maintain if a student is part of a cohort that attends only Thurs/Fri each week, for example. There would be five days before the kid comes back into the building. That's a long gap each week, with varying degrees of supervision and work completion at home in between. Your child would return to a class almost a week later where a teacher most likely would spend the time catching up all the kids who did nothing for the week in between. Not to mention -- the daily schedule would be so disjointed to get all the subjects covered into two days, that kids will have difficulty knowing where they're going week to week. You know how long it takes a middle school kid to figure out a new class schedule at the beginning of the year? Compound that by not doing it every day. 

Also, as a teacher, I don't see how I can effectively plan for/teach live students at the same time I'm planning for/monitoring online instruction. There's just not enough time in the day -- these glorious Mondays I see they have planned for us will be filled up with meetings or online extra help sessions, no real quality planning or grading time. In all this time since we disbanded in March, I still have had practically zero training in effective online learning. The pre-recorded videos we made as a department in the spring took weeks to develop for just one lesson. Each of us was responsible for creating only one over a six-week period (six person department). It took me weeks to create something meaningful and professional; thank god mine was due the fifth week. I'm not a damned videographer, and the district pointed us to some free crap software with 30 minutes of training on it. Nothing has changed since then.

I have been thinking about this a lot and following the task force in my division closely, reading the VDOE receommendations, attending online seminars with the VDOE, etc. In my view, it would be best for kids to go all in, or go all online. I have my preference -- to go back Tues-Fri with everyone -- but I will do what I'm told and make the best of it.

Long way of saying,  everybody out there just needs to accept that this coming school year is another one shot down the hole. Be thankful if you make it out healthy and alive. That's all I'm planning for. 

What dreams: the BC teachers did online classes on the fly and are prepared to do full-time and part-time as needed. Zoom was used for whole class and small group learning and SeeSaw had assignments. 

As a new teacher, my massage therapist questioned me about substituting. He wondered if it will become like the nurses in the old folk's homes, being assigned to one school only if it gets bad. I plan on doing a 24 month M.Ed online now but may sub if community needs help.