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BidenThe Juggler said:I think Bush 41 lost more so because of the recession (that started to end before left office, by the way), "read my lips," and Ross Perot getting almost 20% of the vote. Clinton's personality definitely made a difference, though--especially in the debates. But 30 years later, I think most agree, history looks back on his presidency much more kindly than it did back then. I happen to think he was a great president.
I kind of want Trump to lose in a landslide of historic proportions as opposed to resigning. Him losing worse than any other incumbent would be pretty satisfying with how hard he worked to further divide us all. It would be ironic that the country rose up together to kick his fat ass to the curb.
In either case, the worst things about his legacies are 1) he lost his re-election bid and 2) we can debate an what kind of a president he was and some would say not great. But very rarely when looking at the list of the 44 previous presidents do we talk about how good most of them are, particularly those out of our memories? Most people if asked whether there was a president named Martin Van Buren would say "yes" (well, a lot of people anyway) but only a true history buff really knows anything about his presidency. 50 years from now, Bush will be seen as one of the many presidents, neither spectacular nor terrible. Nixon, on the other hand...
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My October Surprise is that Team Trump Treason resigns when it becomes obvious he's going to lose and lose big. Pence then pardons him for crimes that MAY have been committed prior to and/or during his presidency. SDNY is waiting to drop indictments and the risk is too big to lose the election and end up looking at spending the rest of his life in prison. Team Trump Treason departs the White House to Andrews in the dead of night, flies to Palm Beach and hides until he becomes a voice on Faux News criticizing President Sleepy Woke Joe.The Juggler said:
Saw an interview with James Carville last night and he was saying he thinks the odds are greater that Trump resigns than losing the election. I sincerely doubt that will happen and I couldn't quite tell if he was being totally serious or not but it got me thinking...mrussel1 said:
That's what I was thinking. But it really goes to the point that he has no political instinct other than to hide in his base. They aren't even trying to expand their coalition anymore. It's going to be about turnout for him.The Juggler said:Hahaha.....Trump administration announces they are trying to get rid of Obamacare again. They announce this on a day where a new poll shows close to 60% support the program and we're in the middle of a global pandemic.
It's almost as if Trump doesn't want to win.
Would you rather Trump resign in disgrace in which he'll likely make up an excuse....or would you rather him lose bigly to Biden?
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Is this a joke? You didn't see the replies, Hannity?randynester said:0 -
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I think it’s akin to how we can’t see any of The accomplishments that MAGAs list for trump?mrussel1 said:
Is this a joke? You didn't see the replies, Hannity?randynester said:Scio me nihil scire
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Yeah but at the time he lost I think the perception was that he was not a very good president. In hindsight, his steady leadership guided this country and the world to peace (relatively speaking) after the Cold War. If anything I think most would say he was underrated as a president. Yeah, Nixon is another story altogether.OnWis97 said:The Juggler said:I think Bush 41 lost more so because of the recession (that started to end before left office, by the way), "read my lips," and Ross Perot getting almost 20% of the vote. Clinton's personality definitely made a difference, though--especially in the debates. But 30 years later, I think most agree, history looks back on his presidency much more kindly than it did back then. I happen to think he was a great president.
I kind of want Trump to lose in a landslide of historic proportions as opposed to resigning. Him losing worse than any other incumbent would be pretty satisfying with how hard he worked to further divide us all. It would be ironic that the country rose up together to kick his fat ass to the curb.
In either case, the worst things about his legacies are 1) he lost his re-election bid and 2) we can debate an what kind of a president he was and some would say not great. But very rarely when looking at the list of the 44 previous presidents do we talk about how good most of them are, particularly those out of our memories? Most people if asked whether there was a president named Martin Van Buren would say "yes" (well, a lot of people anyway) but only a true history buff really knows anything about his presidency. 50 years from now, Bush will be seen as one of the many presidents, neither spectacular nor terrible. Nixon, on the other hand...
Seinfeld fans would at least know that Van Buren was the eighth president. As far as his accomplishments....ummm....www.myspace.com0 -
Trumpmrussel1 said:
Is this a joke? You didn't see the replies, Hannity?randynester said:
So a guy who has been in politics since the stone ages and you had to go back 12 years to find "something" that he was remotely attached to for an accomplishment? That's f'ing funny.
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Trumpstatic111 said:
I think it’s akin to how we can’t see any of The accomplishments that MAGAs list for trump?mrussel1 said:
Is this a joke? You didn't see the replies, Hannity?randynester said:Heck this took all of 11 seconds to find for you.- Almost 4 million jobs created since election.
- More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history.
- We have created more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since my election.
- Manufacturing jobs growing at the fastest rate in more than THREE DECADES.
- Economic growth last quarter hit 4.2 percent.
- New unemployment claims recently hit a 49-year low.
- Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded.
- African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
- Hispanic-American unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded.
- Asian-American unemployment recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
- Women’s unemployment recently reached the lowest rate in 65 years.
- Youth unemployment has recently hit the lowest rate in nearly half a century.
- Lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma.
- Under my Administration, veterans’ unemployment recently reached its lowest rate in nearly 20 years.
- Almost 3.9 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps since the election.
- The Pledge to America’s Workers has resulted in employers committing to train more than 4 million Americans. We are committed to VOCATIONAL education.
- 95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are optimistic about the future—the highest ever.
- Retail sales surged last month, up another 6 percent over last year.
- Signed the biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in history. After tax cuts, over $300 billion poured back in to the U.S. in the first quarter alone.
- As a result of our tax bill, small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years.
- Helped win U.S. bid for the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles.
- Helped win U.S.-Mexico-Canada’s united bid for 2026 World Cup.
- Opened ANWR and approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines.
- Record number of regulations eliminated.
- Enacted regulatory relief for community banks and credit unions.
- Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE.
- My Administration is providing more affordable healthcare options for Americans through association health plans and short-term duration plans.
- Last month, the FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in history. And thanks to our efforts, many drug companies are freezing or reversing planned price increases.
- We reformed the Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs—saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars this year alone.
- Signed Right-To-Try legislation.
- Secured $6 billion in NEW funding to fight the opioid epidemic.
- We have reduced high-dose opioid prescriptions by 16 percent during my first year in office.
- Signed VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act, expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care.
- Increased our coal exports by 60 percent; U.S. oil production recently reached all-time high.
- United States is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957.
- Withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord.
- Cancelled the illegal, anti-coal, so-called Clean Power Plan.
- Secured record $700 billion in military funding; $716 billion next year.
- NATO allies are spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016.
- Process has begun to make the Space Force the 6th branch of the Armed Forces.
- Confirmed more circuit court judges than any other new administration.
- Confirmed Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch and nominated Judge Brett Kavanaugh.
- Withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal.
- Moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.
- Protecting Americans from terrorists with the Travel Ban, upheld by Supreme Court.
- Issued Executive Order to keep open Guantanamo Bay.
- Concluded a historic U.S.-Mexico Trade Deal to replace NAFTA. And negotiations with Canada are underway as we speak.
- Reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports.
- Imposed tariffs on foreign steel and aluminum to protect our national security.
- Imposed tariffs on China in response to China’s forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices.
- Net exports are on track to increase by $59 billion this year.
- Improved vetting and screening for refugees, and switched focus to overseas resettlement.
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Oh, so now there are new rules. Okay, why don't you cement the goal post here for a second so we know the rules. First, he's been out for 4 years. So let's throw in the negotiation of JCPOA. How's that work for you? Second, he was the key cog in the negotiation of the Paris climate deal.randynester said:mrussel1 said:
Is this a joke? You didn't see the replies, Hannity?randynester said:
So a guy who has been in politics since the stone ages and you had to go back 12 years to find "something" that he was remotely attached to for an accomplishment? That's f'ing funny.
Now since we're playing stupid fucking games, how about this promise.. Trump promised to repeal Obamacare on day one, and replace it with something cheaper and better. How's that coming? Can I get an update on that campaign promise? What about de-nuking the Korean Peninsula? Is that done yet? What about Iran? He pulled out of the JCPOA. What has he replaced it with? Oh right, nothing. Iran is enriching again.
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How about you update that data with recessionary numbers. You can throw all of that data out.randynester said:static111 said:
I think it’s akin to how we can’t see any of The accomplishments that MAGAs list for trump?mrussel1 said:
Is this a joke? You didn't see the replies, Hannity?randynester said:Heck this took all of 11 seconds to find for you.- Almost 4 million jobs created since election.
- More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history.
- We have created more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since my election.
- Manufacturing jobs growing at the fastest rate in more than THREE DECADES.
- Economic growth last quarter hit 4.2 percent.
- New unemployment claims recently hit a 49-year low.
- Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded.
- African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
- Hispanic-American unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded.
- Asian-American unemployment recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
- Women’s unemployment recently reached the lowest rate in 65 years.
- Youth unemployment has recently hit the lowest rate in nearly half a century.
- Lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma.
- Under my Administration, veterans’ unemployment recently reached its lowest rate in nearly 20 years.
- Almost 3.9 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps since the election.
- The Pledge to America’s Workers has resulted in employers committing to train more than 4 million Americans. We are committed to VOCATIONAL education.
- 95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are optimistic about the future—the highest ever.
- Retail sales surged last month, up another 6 percent over last year.
- Signed the biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in history. After tax cuts, over $300 billion poured back in to the U.S. in the first quarter alone.
- As a result of our tax bill, small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years.
- Helped win U.S. bid for the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles.
- Helped win U.S.-Mexico-Canada’s united bid for 2026 World Cup.
- Opened ANWR and approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines.
- Record number of regulations eliminated.
- Enacted regulatory relief for community banks and credit unions.
- Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE.
- My Administration is providing more affordable healthcare options for Americans through association health plans and short-term duration plans.
- Last month, the FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in history. And thanks to our efforts, many drug companies are freezing or reversing planned price increases.
- We reformed the Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs—saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars this year alone.
- Signed Right-To-Try legislation.
- Secured $6 billion in NEW funding to fight the opioid epidemic.
- We have reduced high-dose opioid prescriptions by 16 percent during my first year in office.
- Signed VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act, expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care.
- Increased our coal exports by 60 percent; U.S. oil production recently reached all-time high.
- United States is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957.
- Withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord.
- Cancelled the illegal, anti-coal, so-called Clean Power Plan.
- Secured record $700 billion in military funding; $716 billion next year.
- NATO allies are spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016.
- Process has begun to make the Space Force the 6th branch of the Armed Forces.
- Confirmed more circuit court judges than any other new administration.
- Confirmed Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch and nominated Judge Brett Kavanaugh.
- Withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal.
- Moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.
- Protecting Americans from terrorists with the Travel Ban, upheld by Supreme Court.
- Issued Executive Order to keep open Guantanamo Bay.
- Concluded a historic U.S.-Mexico Trade Deal to replace NAFTA. And negotiations with Canada are underway as we speak.
- Reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports.
- Imposed tariffs on foreign steel and aluminum to protect our national security.
- Imposed tariffs on China in response to China’s forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices.
- Net exports are on track to increase by $59 billion this year.
- Improved vetting and screening for refugees, and switched focus to overseas resettlement.
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BidenHmmm.. now I'm not an expert at reading graphs @randynester but I don't see 4.2% in here anywhere. Gee, I wonder if that propaganda list could be wrong anywhere else? Is AA unemployment at a record low today? Hispanic? Women?
Sometimes it makes sense to think for yourself instead of copying/pasting bullshit.
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Did Mexico pay for the wall? Has the Wall been built? What about the deficit? What's that number now?mrussel1 said:
Oh, so now there are new rules. Okay, why don't you cement the goal post here for a second so we know the rules. First, he's been out for 4 years. So let's throw in the negotiation of JCPOA. How's that work for you? Second, he was the key cog in the negotiation of the Paris climate deal.randynester said:mrussel1 said:
Is this a joke? You didn't see the replies, Hannity?randynester said:
So a guy who has been in politics since the stone ages and you had to go back 12 years to find "something" that he was remotely attached to for an accomplishment? That's f'ing funny.
Now since we're playing stupid fucking games, how about this promise.. Trump promised to repeal Obamacare on day one, and replace it with something cheaper and better. How's that coming? Can I get an update on that campaign promise? What about de-nuking the Korean Peninsula? Is that done yet? What about Iran? He pulled out of the JCPOA. What has he replaced it with? Oh right, nothing. Iran is enriching again.
Inform yourself.
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The facebook page he got that from has not updated their figures yet.mrussel1 said:
How about you update that data with recessionary numbers. You can throw all of that data out.randynester said:static111 said:
I think it’s akin to how we can’t see any of The accomplishments that MAGAs list for trump?mrussel1 said:
Is this a joke? You didn't see the replies, Hannity?randynester said:Heck this took all of 11 seconds to find for you.- Almost 4 million jobs created since election.
- More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history.
- We have created more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since my election.
- Manufacturing jobs growing at the fastest rate in more than THREE DECADES.
- Economic growth last quarter hit 4.2 percent.
- New unemployment claims recently hit a 49-year low.
- Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded.
- African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
- Hispanic-American unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded.
- Asian-American unemployment recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
- Women’s unemployment recently reached the lowest rate in 65 years.
- Youth unemployment has recently hit the lowest rate in nearly half a century.
- Lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma.
- Under my Administration, veterans’ unemployment recently reached its lowest rate in nearly 20 years.
- Almost 3.9 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps since the election.
- The Pledge to America’s Workers has resulted in employers committing to train more than 4 million Americans. We are committed to VOCATIONAL education.
- 95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are optimistic about the future—the highest ever.
- Retail sales surged last month, up another 6 percent over last year.
- Signed the biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in history. After tax cuts, over $300 billion poured back in to the U.S. in the first quarter alone.
- As a result of our tax bill, small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years.
- Helped win U.S. bid for the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles.
- Helped win U.S.-Mexico-Canada’s united bid for 2026 World Cup.
- Opened ANWR and approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines.
- Record number of regulations eliminated.
- Enacted regulatory relief for community banks and credit unions.
- Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE.
- My Administration is providing more affordable healthcare options for Americans through association health plans and short-term duration plans.
- Last month, the FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in history. And thanks to our efforts, many drug companies are freezing or reversing planned price increases.
- We reformed the Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs—saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars this year alone.
- Signed Right-To-Try legislation.
- Secured $6 billion in NEW funding to fight the opioid epidemic.
- We have reduced high-dose opioid prescriptions by 16 percent during my first year in office.
- Signed VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act, expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care.
- Increased our coal exports by 60 percent; U.S. oil production recently reached all-time high.
- United States is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957.
- Withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord.
- Cancelled the illegal, anti-coal, so-called Clean Power Plan.
- Secured record $700 billion in military funding; $716 billion next year.
- NATO allies are spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016.
- Process has begun to make the Space Force the 6th branch of the Armed Forces.
- Confirmed more circuit court judges than any other new administration.
- Confirmed Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch and nominated Judge Brett Kavanaugh.
- Withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal.
- Moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.
- Protecting Americans from terrorists with the Travel Ban, upheld by Supreme Court.
- Issued Executive Order to keep open Guantanamo Bay.
- Concluded a historic U.S.-Mexico Trade Deal to replace NAFTA. And negotiations with Canada are underway as we speak.
- Reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports.
- Imposed tariffs on foreign steel and aluminum to protect our national security.
- Imposed tariffs on China in response to China’s forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices.
- Net exports are on track to increase by $59 billion this year.
- Improved vetting and screening for refugees, and switched focus to overseas resettlement.
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Trumpmrussel1 said:Hmmm.. now I'm not an expert at reading graphs @randynester but I don't see 4.2% in here anywhere. Gee, I wonder if that propaganda list could be wrong anywhere else? Is AA unemployment at a record low today? Hispanic? Women?
Sometimes it makes sense to think for yourself instead of copying/pasting bullshit.
That’s probably pretty accurate of a graph. Seems to me by watching what’s going on that the majority of them are out there rioting, looting, burning down buildings, destroying small businesses, and tearing down statues when they could be at work. History is repeating itself. The majority of crime is committed by black males from single parent homes and that foundation is making its way up the ladder once again.mrussel1 said:Hmmm.. now I'm not an expert at reading graphs @randynester but I don't see 4.2% in here anywhere. Gee, I wonder if that propaganda list could be wrong anywhere else? Is AA unemployment at a record low today? Hispanic? Women?
Sometimes it makes sense to think for yourself instead of copying/pasting bullshit.
The comical part about this “forum” is that it’s monopolized by liberals and democrats, so anything anyone else has to contribute is immediately jumped on to be diminished and dismissed as lies and propaganda. “Let me show you this graph from this unknown website that shows you’re wrong.” That’s the beauty of the Internet. Anything one side “proves” can be disproved by the other with a few clicks of a mouse.
ill ask all of you that support Biden this. Which political group is out there destroying our streets? Attacking police? Attacking innocents? Trying to moleste the constitution? Overall destroying the american way of life? It certainly isn’t the Republicans. In the direction this country is moving, is it what you want to leave to your children? Violence? Anarchy? No structure? I agree that nothing is perfect, but what is being done right now is flat out WRONG.
You guys can bash me all you want, but that won’t make you right. Open your eyes to what’s happening. Your party is destroying our country, successfully.0 -
Biden
So many good questions.Halifax2TheMax said:
Did Mexico pay for the wall? Has the Wall been built? What about the deficit? What's that number now?mrussel1 said:
Oh, so now there are new rules. Okay, why don't you cement the goal post here for a second so we know the rules. First, he's been out for 4 years. So let's throw in the negotiation of JCPOA. How's that work for you? Second, he was the key cog in the negotiation of the Paris climate deal.randynester said:mrussel1 said:
Is this a joke? You didn't see the replies, Hannity?randynester said:
So a guy who has been in politics since the stone ages and you had to go back 12 years to find "something" that he was remotely attached to for an accomplishment? That's f'ing funny.
Now since we're playing stupid fucking games, how about this promise.. Trump promised to repeal Obamacare on day one, and replace it with something cheaper and better. How's that coming? Can I get an update on that campaign promise? What about de-nuking the Korean Peninsula? Is that done yet? What about Iran? He pulled out of the JCPOA. What has he replaced it with? Oh right, nothing. Iran is enriching again.
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Biden
I used to have a Fantasy Football team called the Van Buren Boys.The Juggler said:
Yeah but at the time he lost I think the perception was that he was not a very good president. In hindsight, his steady leadership guided this country and the world to peace (relatively speaking) after the Cold War. If anything I think most would say he was underrated as a president. Yeah, Nixon is another story altogether.OnWis97 said:The Juggler said:I think Bush 41 lost more so because of the recession (that started to end before left office, by the way), "read my lips," and Ross Perot getting almost 20% of the vote. Clinton's personality definitely made a difference, though--especially in the debates. But 30 years later, I think most agree, history looks back on his presidency much more kindly than it did back then. I happen to think he was a great president.
I kind of want Trump to lose in a landslide of historic proportions as opposed to resigning. Him losing worse than any other incumbent would be pretty satisfying with how hard he worked to further divide us all. It would be ironic that the country rose up together to kick his fat ass to the curb.
In either case, the worst things about his legacies are 1) he lost his re-election bid and 2) we can debate an what kind of a president he was and some would say not great. But very rarely when looking at the list of the 44 previous presidents do we talk about how good most of them are, particularly those out of our memories? Most people if asked whether there was a president named Martin Van Buren would say "yes" (well, a lot of people anyway) but only a true history buff really knows anything about his presidency. 50 years from now, Bush will be seen as one of the many presidents, neither spectacular nor terrible. Nixon, on the other hand...
Seinfeld fans would at least know that Van Buren was the eighth president. As far as his accomplishments....ummm....
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Now now now......the wall was Trump's primary campaign promise. How dare you insinuate that he did not actually follow through!Halifax2TheMax said:
Did Mexico pay for the wall? Has the Wall been built? What about the deficit? What's that number now?mrussel1 said:
Oh, so now there are new rules. Okay, why don't you cement the goal post here for a second so we know the rules. First, he's been out for 4 years. So let's throw in the negotiation of JCPOA. How's that work for you? Second, he was the key cog in the negotiation of the Paris climate deal.randynester said:mrussel1 said:
Is this a joke? You didn't see the replies, Hannity?randynester said:
So a guy who has been in politics since the stone ages and you had to go back 12 years to find "something" that he was remotely attached to for an accomplishment? That's f'ing funny.
Now since we're playing stupid fucking games, how about this promise.. Trump promised to repeal Obamacare on day one, and replace it with something cheaper and better. How's that coming? Can I get an update on that campaign promise? What about de-nuking the Korean Peninsula? Is that done yet? What about Iran? He pulled out of the JCPOA. What has he replaced it with? Oh right, nothing. Iran is enriching again.
Inform yourself.
No Mexico did not pay for it despite Trump conditioning all of his supporters, such as the esteemed mr @randynester , to believe. Who cares who pays for things though, right? Buy now and pay later (or just declare bankruptcy) has been the president's motto his entire life. Why start worrying about things like that now? He is a true conservative!
No, there have been many miles of new wall created. By many, of course, I mean three.
Biggest promise made! Biggest promise...kept? Oh shit. Never mind....Post edited by The Juggler onwww.myspace.com0 -
Did you even read some of those bullet points you copy and pasted?randynester said:mrussel1 said:Hmmm.. now I'm not an expert at reading graphs @randynester but I don't see 4.2% in here anywhere. Gee, I wonder if that propaganda list could be wrong anywhere else? Is AA unemployment at a record low today? Hispanic? Women?
Sometimes it makes sense to think for yourself instead of copying/pasting bullshit.
That’s probably pretty accurate of a graph. Seems to me by watching what’s going on that the majority of them are out there rioting, looting, burning down buildings, destroying small businesses, and tearing down statues when they could be at work. History is repeating itself. The majority of crime is committed by black males from single parent homes and that foundation is making its way up the ladder once again.mrussel1 said:Hmmm.. now I'm not an expert at reading graphs @randynester but I don't see 4.2% in here anywhere. Gee, I wonder if that propaganda list could be wrong anywhere else? Is AA unemployment at a record low today? Hispanic? Women?
Sometimes it makes sense to think for yourself instead of copying/pasting bullshit.
The comical part about this “forum” is that it’s monopolized by liberals and democrats, so anything anyone else has to contribute is immediately jumped on to be diminished and dismissed as lies and propaganda. “Let me show you this graph from this unknown website that shows you’re wrong.” That’s the beauty of the Internet. Anything one side “proves” can be disproved by the other with a few clicks of a mouse.
ill ask all of you that support Biden this. Which political group is out there destroying our streets? Attacking police? Attacking innocents? Trying to moleste the constitution? Overall destroying the american way of life? It certainly isn’t the Republicans. In the direction this country is moving, is it what you want to leave to your children? Violence? Anarchy? No structure? I agree that nothing is perfect, but what is being done right now is flat out WRONG.
You guys can bash me all you want, but that won’t make you right. Open your eyes to what’s happening. Your party is destroying our country, successfully.0 -
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1. That data is from the US Bureau. Look it up on their website yourself.randynester said:mrussel1 said:Hmmm.. now I'm not an expert at reading graphs @randynester but I don't see 4.2% in here anywhere. Gee, I wonder if that propaganda list could be wrong anywhere else? Is AA unemployment at a record low today? Hispanic? Women?
Sometimes it makes sense to think for yourself instead of copying/pasting bullshit.
That’s probably pretty accurate of a graph. Seems to me by watching what’s going on that the majority of them are out there rioting, looting, burning down buildings, destroying small businesses, and tearing down statues when they could be at work. History is repeating itself. The majority of crime is committed by black males from single parent homes and that foundation is making its way up the ladder once again.mrussel1 said:Hmmm.. now I'm not an expert at reading graphs @randynester but I don't see 4.2% in here anywhere. Gee, I wonder if that propaganda list could be wrong anywhere else? Is AA unemployment at a record low today? Hispanic? Women?
Sometimes it makes sense to think for yourself instead of copying/pasting bullshit.
The comical part about this “forum” is that it’s monopolized by liberals and democrats, so anything anyone else has to contribute is immediately jumped on to be diminished and dismissed as lies and propaganda. “Let me show you this graph from this unknown website that shows you’re wrong.” That’s the beauty of the Internet. Anything one side “proves” can be disproved by the other with a few clicks of a mouse.
ill ask all of you that support Biden this. Which political group is out there destroying our streets? Attacking police? Attacking innocents? Trying to moleste the constitution? Overall destroying the american way of life? It certainly isn’t the Republicans. In the direction this country is moving, is it what you want to leave to your children? Violence? Anarchy? No structure? I agree that nothing is perfect, but what is being done right now is flat out WRONG.
You guys can bash me all you want, but that won’t make you right. Open your eyes to what’s happening. Your party is destroying our country, successfully.
2. No political party is looting. People inclined to loot are not generally voters. And they are sure as hell are not all in for Biden. Think about that.
3. You're completely over estimating both the scale and the support of the looting that is long since over. He flares up here and there, but it's over.
4. Crime is socioeconomic in nature. When the Irish were the poor in NYC in the 19th century, they were perpetrating most of the crime. Educate yourself and detach yourself from your racial stereotypes.0 -
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I used to have a Fantasy Football team called the Van Buren Boys.The Juggler said:
Yeah but at the time he lost I think the perception was that he was not a very good president. In hindsight, his steady leadership guided this country and the world to peace (relatively speaking) after the Cold War. If anything I think most would say he was underrated as a president. Yeah, Nixon is another story altogether.OnWis97 said:The Juggler said:I think Bush 41 lost more so because of the recession (that started to end before left office, by the way), "read my lips," and Ross Perot getting almost 20% of the vote. Clinton's personality definitely made a difference, though--especially in the debates. But 30 years later, I think most agree, history looks back on his presidency much more kindly than it did back then. I happen to think he was a great president.
I kind of want Trump to lose in a landslide of historic proportions as opposed to resigning. Him losing worse than any other incumbent would be pretty satisfying with how hard he worked to further divide us all. It would be ironic that the country rose up together to kick his fat ass to the curb.
In either case, the worst things about his legacies are 1) he lost his re-election bid and 2) we can debate an what kind of a president he was and some would say not great. But very rarely when looking at the list of the 44 previous presidents do we talk about how good most of them are, particularly those out of our memories? Most people if asked whether there was a president named Martin Van Buren would say "yes" (well, a lot of people anyway) but only a true history buff really knows anything about his presidency. 50 years from now, Bush will be seen as one of the many presidents, neither spectacular nor terrible. Nixon, on the other hand...
Seinfeld fans would at least know that Van Buren was the eighth president. As far as his accomplishments....ummm....
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