The coronavirus

pjl44 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Biden made a good point today....if they dismantle the ACA then insurance companies could make Coronavirus a pre-existing condition and not cover future effects or treatments.

In the real world, every insurance company has waived all patient cost share for covid testing and treatment. Biden is fearmongering.

And meanwhile, if you have only Original Medicare, you are responsible for deductibles and co-insurance if you receive treatment for covid. Not a great time to be arguing private vs govt if you're on the govt side. Surprised he didn't mention that.

"It's like the flu"

Do you catch the flu in summer?

i'm not much into conspiracy theories, but i follow anonymous on twitter for a lark, and they had this insane thread, with insane details, about how trump agreed with china to hide the virus info he knew (IN NOVEMBER) in exchange for help with the 2020 election. the epstein shit, the bill barr shit, true or not, it's pretty wild stuff. right out of a movie. 

nicknyr15 said:

Bentleyspop said:

https://twitter.com/carlquintanilla/status/1276485159378997250?s=19

you could pull a similar clip from every and any politician, including dr Fauci. Not defending him at all. But there’s literally a clip like that for every “leader”

That said it was going to vanish in a few days?

I do not think so.

F Me In The Brain said:

nicknyr15 said:

Bentleyspop said:

https://twitter.com/carlquintanilla/status/1276485159378997250?s=19

you could pull a similar clip from every and any politician, including dr Fauci. Not defending him at all. But there’s literally a clip like that for every “leader”

That said it was going to vanish in a few days?

I do not think so.

Not those exact words. Obviously. But things like “it’s not a threat”. “Nothing will happen” “go to the movies”. 

static111 said:

pjl44 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Biden made a good point today....if they dismantle the ACA then insurance companies could make Coronavirus a pre-existing condition and not cover future effects or treatments.

In the real world, every insurance company has waived all patient cost share for covid testing and treatment. Biden is fearmongering.

Because powerful companies and corporations never go back on their word Especially powerful groups like the insurance cartels?  Not to mention the people that lose healthcare when they lose their job because they can’t afford out of pocket insurance or ridiculous COBRA costs. I 

The first half is just cynicism. If we're trying to discern what health insurance companies will do, it's more useful to look at what they've done to date rather than relying on rhetoric from a politician. If that doesn't fit an anti-corporate narrative, I don't know what to tell ya.

(And I reiterate: the federal government-run option *is the one still making people pay*)

The second half of your point is a legitimate concern and *that* is the best pro-ACA argument. "Keep the ACA alive and thriving as a safety net." That is a much more honest and compelling pitch for Biden than trying to scare people with highly unlikely hypotheticals. Whether he's uninformed or cynical is for someone else to decide.

nicknyr15 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

nicknyr15 said:

Bentleyspop said:

https://twitter.com/carlquintanilla/status/1276485159378997250?s=19

you could pull a similar clip from every and any politician, including dr Fauci. Not defending him at all. But there’s literally a clip like that for every “leader”

That said it was going to vanish in a few days?

I do not think so.

Not those exact words. Obviously. But things like “it’s not a threat”. “Nothing will happen” “go to the movies”. 

Yeah I still don't think so.  I'm sure there are lots of then but I do think there were some leaders who were concerned 
For the record I didn't think, personally, it would amount to much impact in America.
I think it was the second week in March when my eyes opened.  Been on lockdown since about a week later 

static111 said:

pjl44 said:

static111 said:

pjl44 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Biden made a good point today....if they dismantle the ACA then insurance companies could make Coronavirus a pre-existing condition and not cover future effects or treatments.

In the real world, every insurance company has waived all patient cost share for covid testing and treatment. Biden is fearmongering.

Because powerful companies and corporations never go back on their word Especially powerful groups like the insurance cartels?  Not to mention the people that lose healthcare when they lose their job because they can’t afford out of pocket insurance or ridiculous COBRA costs. I 

The first half is just cynicism. If we're trying to discern what health insurance companies will do, it's more useful to look at what they've done to date rather than relying on rhetoric from a politician. If that doesn't fit an anti-corporate Inarrative, I don't know what to tell ya.

(And I reiterate: the federal government-run option *is the one still making people pay*)

The second half of your point is a legitimate concern and *that* is the best pro-ACA argument. "Keep the ACA alive and thriving as a safety net." That is a much more honest and compelling pitch for Biden than trying to scare people with highly unlikely hypotheticals. Whether he's uninformed or cynical is for someone else to decide.

The ACA is a disaster.  For profit health insurance companies running the actual healthcare system is the real problem in my view.  If care (not insurance) was affordable there would be no problem. I definitely pay more for a workplace plan in a year than I use If at all and still have copays.  Currently due to being sidelined by the corona I have no insurance so at least that is one less bill.  Take the insurance companies and their price inflation out of the picture and Care would be much more affordable.  

As for government healthcare, look at Canada government healthcare can work.

The first half of my original statement isn’t cynical, it’s based on years of witnessing corporate malfeasance and broken promises. if these types of situations were the exception and not the rule, then I could see how the statement could be taken as cynicism,

Facts on the ground today - If you're hospitalized for covid, your out of pocket costs will be:
$0 if you have private insurance 
$1,408 if you have only Medicare 

There might be some random private plans still charging hospital copays, but I haven't seen one yet.

Boy, Sweden really dropped the ball with this virus. My goodness...

pjl44 said:

static111 said:

pjl44 said:

static111 said:

pjl44 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Biden made a good point today....if they dismantle the ACA then insurance companies could make Coronavirus a pre-existing condition and not cover future effects or treatments.

In the real world, every insurance company has waived all patient cost share for covid testing and treatment. Biden is fearmongering.

Because powerful companies and corporations never go back on their word Especially powerful groups like the insurance cartels?  Not to mention the people that lose healthcare when they lose their job because they can’t afford out of pocket insurance or ridiculous COBRA costs. I 

The first half is just cynicism. If we're trying to discern what health insurance companies will do, it's more useful to look at what they've done to date rather than relying on rhetoric from a politician. If that doesn't fit an anti-corporate Inarrative, I don't know what to tell ya.

(And I reiterate: the federal government-run option *is the one still making people pay*)

The second half of your point is a legitimate concern and *that* is the best pro-ACA argument. "Keep the ACA alive and thriving as a safety net." That is a much more honest and compelling pitch for Biden than trying to scare people with highly unlikely hypotheticals. Whether he's uninformed or cynical is for someone else to decide.

The ACA is a disaster.  For profit health insurance companies running the actual healthcare system is the real problem in my view.  If care (not insurance) was affordable there would be no problem. I definitely pay more for a workplace plan in a year than I use If at all and still have copays.  Currently due to being sidelined by the corona I have no insurance so at least that is one less bill.  Take the insurance companies and their price inflation out of the picture and Care would be much more affordable.  

As for government healthcare, look at Canada government healthcare can work.

The first half of my original statement isn’t cynical, it’s based on years of witnessing corporate malfeasance and broken promises. if these types of situations were the exception and not the rule, then I could see how the statement could be taken as cynicism,

Facts on the ground today - If you're hospitalized for covid, your out of pocket costs will be:
$0 if you have private insurance 
$1,408 if you have only Medicare 

There might be some random private plans still charging hospital copays, but I haven't seen one yet.

Fair enough.  What do the facts on the ground say about monthly premiums for private insurance vs monthly premiums for Medicare?