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  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,301
    https://nypost.com/2020/06/22/second-shooting-takes-place-in-cop-free-seattle-protest-zone/
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,995
    nicknyr15 said:
    https://nypost.com/2020/06/22/second-shooting-takes-place-in-cop-free-seattle-protest-zone/
    So that’s three shootings in two nights. No mention of it by the mayor of course. But happy Father’s Day and happy Juneteenth. And be sure to “Stay Home. Stay Healthy.” 


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  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,301
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    https://nypost.com/2020/06/22/second-shooting-takes-place-in-cop-free-seattle-protest-zone/
    So that’s three shootings in two nights. No mention of it by the mayor of course. But happy Father’s Day and happy Juneteenth. And be sure to “Stay Home. Stay Healthy.” 


    I hate to say it because I’d never want to sound like Trump, but there is some weak leadership over there right now. Something has to be done 
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,995
    edited June 2020
    nicknyr15 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    https://nypost.com/2020/06/22/second-shooting-takes-place-in-cop-free-seattle-protest-zone/
    So that’s three shootings in two nights. No mention of it by the mayor of course. But happy Father’s Day and happy Juneteenth. And be sure to “Stay Home. Stay Healthy.” 


    I hate to say it because I’d never want to sound like Trump, but there is some weak leadership over there right now. Something has to be done 
    Yeah he's the "Boy Who Cried Weak Democratic Leadership" for sure, but even a broken clock is right twice a day as the old saying goes. 
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    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1

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  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    edited June 2020
    I was on a meeting today, and apparently, an alt-right march into CHOP is in the works for, I think, July 4. So, yeah, those John Brown folks very much might be needed; otherwise, it's basically a turkey shoot for the counterprotesters.
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Every time I see this thread title, I think of Cat’s Morning Has Broken.

    Not quite as hopeful, though. 
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Sure is quiet on the CHOP front...I’m guessing they finally confiscated everyone’s phones and cameras in the freedom wonderland...
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,665
    PJPOWER said:
    Sure is quiet on the CHOP front...I’m guessing they finally confiscated everyone’s phones and cameras in the freedom wonderland...

    Apparently it's being "de-escalated" and "dismantled".  No much staying power with that experiment. 
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    brianlux said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Sure is quiet on the CHOP front...I’m guessing they finally confiscated everyone’s phones and cameras in the freedom wonderland...

    Apparently it's being "de-escalated" and "dismantled".  No much staying power with that experiment. 
    Awww, that makes sense...I’m sure there will be some holdouts that aren’t ready for the end.  Hope they don’t stir shit up.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,573
    What did they hope to gain out of this?

    With no true leaders and rules the place was destined for failure.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,665
    tempo_n_groove said:
    What did they hope to gain out of this?

    With no true leaders and rules the place was destined for failure.

    Exactly!  It has been an interesting experiment but never coalesced with a central objective because it was too fragmented. Kind of like America in general these days. 
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Leadership was absolutely THE issue with these guys. They were supposed to join other community activist groups at meetings with police and city leadership, and were no-shows. They contradict one another. One "leader's" faction makes one decision, and the next day a different "leader" says something different. Established BLM groups and community activist groups have disassociated from them. The police will be returning to the East Precinct, but no time frame or method given. I'm guessing it will be very soon. Another shooting this morning, so 3 days in a row. From what I understand, activist groups who ARE working with the city are in CHOP talking with "leadership" there trying to assist the city/police in returning to the East Precinct and re-opening the place safely and peacefully. I think they'll let the demonstrations continue at Cal Anderson Park, but they want the blocks and streets back for public use.  CHOP became about something other than racial equality and BLM. But what exactly is still TBD. They have a few basic demands, but in general can't even coordinate among themselves. 

    Their biggest success in my mind is that there is now a BHAZ (Black House Autonomous Zone) setting up near the Whitehouse, which has to make Drumpf apoplectic. 
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,665
    jeffbr said:
    Leadership was absolutely THE issue with these guys. They were supposed to join other community activist groups at meetings with police and city leadership, and were no-shows. They contradict one another. One "leader's" faction makes one decision, and the next day a different "leader" says something different. Established BLM groups and community activist groups have disassociated from them. The police will be returning to the East Precinct, but no time frame or method given. I'm guessing it will be very soon. Another shooting this morning, so 3 days in a row. From what I understand, activist groups who ARE working with the city are in CHOP talking with "leadership" there trying to assist the city/police in returning to the East Precinct and re-opening the place safely and peacefully. I think they'll let the demonstrations continue at Cal Anderson Park, but they want the blocks and streets back for public use.  CHOP became about something other than racial equality and BLM. But what exactly is still TBD. They have a few basic demands, but in general can't even coordinate among themselves. 

    Their biggest success in my mind is that there is now a BHAZ (Black House Autonomous Zone) setting up near the Whitehouse, which has to make Drumpf apoplectic. 

    I hadn't heard about BHAZ before but a quick search makes it look like this is going the wrong way fast:

    "Protesters vandalized the front of the historic St. Luke’s Episcopal Church by spray-painting “BHAZ” on its facade while the boarded-up Hay-Adams Hotel..."

    https://nypost.com/2020/06/23/activists-tried-to-set-up-cop-free-bhaz-outside-white-house/

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Wow, that is counter-productive, and will only embolden Trump to "dominate" them.  Probably not the smartest move.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,665
    jeffbr said:
    Wow, that is counter-productive, and will only embolden Trump to "dominate" them.  Probably not the smartest move.

    I wonder- are the people ruining the movement just idiots or are they infiltrators?  You never know.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,665
    More signs of wide spread protesting:
    Image may contain text that says Really now we are protesting road repairs END ROAD WORK This is out of hand

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  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,301
    brianlux said:
    More signs of wide spread protesting:
    Image may contain text that says Really now we are protesting road repairs END ROAD WORK This is out of hand

    That’s awesome haha. I’m for it. 
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,665
    nicknyr15 said:
    brianlux said:
    More signs of wide spread protesting:
    Image may contain text that says Really now we are protesting road repairs END ROAD WORK This is out of hand

    That’s awesome haha. I’m for it. 
    Save the endangered American Pot Hole!
     :lol: 
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    -Roberto Benigni

  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    hedonist said:
    Every time I see this thread title, I think of Cat’s Morning Has Broken.

    Not quite as hopeful, though. 
    I got shit (or is that id?) for the title but it sure is seeming more appropriate now. 
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,699
    edited June 2020
    BS44325 said:
    hedonist said:
    Every time I see this thread title, I think of Cat’s Morning Has Broken.

    Not quite as hopeful, though. 
    I got shit (or is that id?) for the title but it sure is seeming more appropriate now. 
      6 blocks represents the entire city?
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