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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 7,410
    edited March 31
    For those keeping score, 8 of the 10 states with the highest murder rates are run by repubs. I guess you can call it shatties versus shitties?
    It's actually 4/10 if you go by actual murders and not per capita/100 population.
    Yes, but is it fair to compare a 4 million city like LA and say it has more murders than Colorado Springs that only has half a million on just murder numbers? I don’t know if the per capita of CO springs is that high, just making an example. Per capita seems fair to consider.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 31,640
    edited March 31
    Let me know when you hear Linda complaining about those red shitcounties in CA, one of which, the 23rd district, is currently represented by the House repub minority leader.

    SAN FRANCISCO – August 25, 2021 – A report released today by the Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice finds that, compared to the 35 California counties that voted Democratic in the 2020 presidential election, the state’s 23 Republican-voting counties have higher rates of violent crime, including homicides.    

    For decades, Republican candidates and elected officials have demanded a “get-tough” approach to crime that generated more arrests, more imprisonments, and longer prison sentences. As a result, a person is 58 percent more likely to be arrested and 41 percent more likely to be incarcerated in a Republican-voting county than in a Democratic-voting one. Likewise, 12 of the 13 highest-incarceration counties vote Republican, while 16 of the 18 lowest-incarceration counties vote Democratic.

    But have the hardline approaches pursued by Republicans officials actually reduced crime? Just the opposite. Republican-voting counties are seeing lesser declines in crime and higher rates of crime, particularly violent offenses and homicides, compared to their Democratic-voting counterparts.


     Crime trends and violence worse in California’s Republican-voting counties than Democratic-voting counties — Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice (cjcj.org)
    Post edited by Halifax2TheMax on
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 33,136
    dankind said:
    For those keeping score, 8 of the 10 states with the highest murder rates are run by repubs. I guess you can call it shatties versus shitties?
    It's actually 4/10 if you go by actual murders and not per capita/100 population.

    But why would you not look at data per capita? You can't compare events in different cities if you're not comparing by population (among other factors). 
    It's the most murders by state though.  It's a whole different form of data if you go by per capita.  

    Per capita is better for smaller areas.
    Crime statisticians have always used murder rates (i.e., per capita) as a benchmark to report homicide data per state or other municipality; total murders would be incredibly misleading.

    Murder rate data is simply more robust and thus more informative for law enforcement agencies, their budgets, etc. 
    using per capita only when it suits your needs is a bit odd. 
    If a state has the most murders in it then it has the most murders in it.  That is the data I was looking at.


  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 31,640
    dankind said:
    For those keeping score, 8 of the 10 states with the highest murder rates are run by repubs. I guess you can call it shatties versus shitties?
    It's actually 4/10 if you go by actual murders and not per capita/100 population.

    But why would you not look at data per capita? You can't compare events in different cities if you're not comparing by population (among other factors). 
    It's the most murders by state though.  It's a whole different form of data if you go by per capita.  

    Per capita is better for smaller areas.
    Crime statisticians have always used murder rates (i.e., per capita) as a benchmark to report homicide data per state or other municipality; total murders would be incredibly misleading.

    Murder rate data is simply more robust and thus more informative for law enforcement agencies, their budgets, etc. 
    using per capita only when it suits your needs is a bit odd. 
    If a state has the most murders in it then it has the most murders in it.  That is the data I was looking at.


    NY compared to ID? Makes sense.
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  • static111static111 Posts: 3,823
    I would feel safer somewhere with less murders per capita but more overall murders than somewhere with more murders per capita but less overall murders...It just seems like better betting odds.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 33,136
    static111 said:
    I would feel safer somewhere with less murders per capita but more overall murders than somewhere with more murders per capita but less overall murders...It just seems like better betting odds.
    I would put per state and per city as the data to look at.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 31,640
    Let's not let data get in the way. Keep that prison-industrial complex going. It solves all of your problems. From the previous link:

    • Violent and property crime rates have declined most rapidly in Democratic-voting counties.

    • Homicide rates in Republican-voting counties are now 28 percent higher than in Democratic-voting counties.

    • The homicide death rate among White people in Republican-voting counties is on par with people of color in Democratic-voting ones, challenging widely held beliefs about violence in urban communities of color.

    • Republican-voting counties experience higher rates of drug, alcohol, and gun deaths than Democratic-voting counties, particularly among White residents.

    • Republican-voting counties pay less in state and local taxes per capita but rely more heavily on California’s costly prison system.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 33,136
    dankind said:
    For those keeping score, 8 of the 10 states with the highest murder rates are run by repubs. I guess you can call it shatties versus shitties?
    It's actually 4/10 if you go by actual murders and not per capita/100 population.

    But why would you not look at data per capita? You can't compare events in different cities if you're not comparing by population (among other factors). 
    It's the most murders by state though.  It's a whole different form of data if you go by per capita.  

    Per capita is better for smaller areas.
    Crime statisticians have always used murder rates (i.e., per capita) as a benchmark to report homicide data per state or other municipality; total murders would be incredibly misleading.

    Murder rate data is simply more robust and thus more informative for law enforcement agencies, their budgets, etc. 
    using per capita only when it suits your needs is a bit odd. 
    If a state has the most murders in it then it has the most murders in it.  That is the data I was looking at.


    NY compared to ID? Makes sense.
    We are up 30% on homicides I think here in NY.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 31,640
    30 years of data:

    While people of color in Republican counties are arrested at the highest rates, racial arrest gaps have narrowed considerably in recent decades. However, Republican counties lag behind Democratic counties in reducing crime and arrest rates involving both White people and people of color. These patterns are surprising for a number of reasons. Law enforcement statistics show White residents, rural areas, and older ages are generally known for lower arrest rates than residents of color, urban areas, and younger ages. Yet, over the last 30 years, these once hard-and-fast rules within the criminal justice system have disappeared. People of color in and around cities now have as low or lower arrest rates than White people in exurban and rural areas. This stunningly refutes rumors in right-wing media and political discourse that nonwhite immigration is bringing more crime and drugs to rural areas (CJCJ, 2017)

    Link to report:

    Microsoft Word - californias_republican_counties_have_worse_crime_trends_and_higher_violent_crime_rates_than_democratic_counties.docx (cjcj.org)
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 31,640
    edited March 31
    Its rich reporting. But you'll never hear it on Faux.

    Conclusion

     California’s 23 Republican-voting counties stand out as uniquely troubled on many fronts. Their per-capita adjusted gross incomes (totaling $25,800 in 2018) are far below those of Democratic-voting counties ($42,200), and their state and local tax contributions ($430 per capita) also substantially lag those of Democratic counties ($762) (IRS, 2021) (Table 2). Republican counties exceed Democratic-voting counties in homicide and other violent death, reported crime, criminal arrest, drug and alcohol death, gun death, and incarceration rates. All this despite the traditional advantages of Whiteness and exurban-rural locales in boosting incomes and mitigating arrests. In fact, White people in Republican counties now have higher criminal arrest rates than people of color in Democratic counties. Republican counties’ low tax contributions and greatly excessive state imprisonment rates for both adults and youth generate extra costs that must be paid by all state taxpayers.

    Further, the gaps between urban/suburban-Democratic and exurban/rural-Republican California are widening, contributing to extremist politics and intractable divisions. Thirty years ago, the state’s cities White people in Republican-voting counties experienced the worst economic hardships and highest rates of violent crime. Today, it is its exurbs, small towns, and rural areas. It is important to note that the issues challenging different races and locales may stem from very different drivers. For many Republican-voting White people, resentments and fears toward perceived loss of racial status is a key factor in their rising radicalization. That is, the economic, crime, drug use, violent death (often termed “deaths of despair”), and incarceration woes increasingly afflicting White people in conservative areas appear related to internal reactions against “America's growing racial diversity and a perceived loss of U.S. global dominance” and “an effort to maintain their perceived social dominance” (Annenberg School, 2018; Case & Deaton, 2020). In contrast, poverty and violence affecting people of color are largely driven by externally imposed systemic racism. Just as state policy makers directed special interventions to stem urban problems in the 1990s, innovative measures may be necessary to address the social harms, high costs, and taxation deficits being imposed on all of California by Republican-voting counties.
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 12,766
    static111 said:
    I would feel safer somewhere with less murders per capita but more overall murders than somewhere with more murders per capita but less overall murders...It just seems like better betting odds.
    I would put per state and per city as the data to look at.
    That would not help you assess the risk, though. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 32,659
    dankind said:
    For those keeping score, 8 of the 10 states with the highest murder rates are run by repubs. I guess you can call it shatties versus shitties?
    It's actually 4/10 if you go by actual murders and not per capita/100 population.

    But why would you not look at data per capita? You can't compare events in different cities if you're not comparing by population (among other factors). 
    It's the most murders by state though.  It's a whole different form of data if you go by per capita.  

    Per capita is better for smaller areas.
    Crime statisticians have always used murder rates (i.e., per capita) as a benchmark to report homicide data per state or other municipality; total murders would be incredibly misleading.

    Murder rate data is simply more robust and thus more informative for law enforcement agencies, their budgets, etc. 
    using per capita only when it suits your needs is a bit odd. 
    If a state has the most murders in it then it has the most murders in it.  That is the data I was looking at.


    well, I'm going to Seattle in a month. I guess I should change that to Steinbach Manitoba since Seattle has more murders. The percentages, be DAMNED! 
    I think I'll move to Australia


  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 9,832
    benjs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    From everything I've heard and read, Seattle doesn't sound like the city I know and love... It really does seem like a lot changed for the worse since I was last there, pre-COVID. And that really sucks.
    Not just Seattle, this Great RE-SET is happening in most rotten brain infested Big shitties throughout America.  And the common theme on who controls those shitties like NYC, LA, CHI, one might ask?? Well ya’know…One cannot talk about that, especially on here…Wake me up when the Woke decides to sleep 
    Linda, you're welcome to talk about anything you want on here - you seem to be the intolerant one of others who would make good faith arguments, because you spew nonsense. This nonsense, of course, comes in between your insults that wouldn't seem out of place in a third grade class, and makes it nearly impossible to think of you as a credible source, let alone an opinion worth learning from.


    Nice try but you're wasting your time using common sense.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 33,136
    dankind said:
    For those keeping score, 8 of the 10 states with the highest murder rates are run by repubs. I guess you can call it shatties versus shitties?
    It's actually 4/10 if you go by actual murders and not per capita/100 population.

    But why would you not look at data per capita? You can't compare events in different cities if you're not comparing by population (among other factors). 
    It's the most murders by state though.  It's a whole different form of data if you go by per capita.  

    Per capita is better for smaller areas.
    Crime statisticians have always used murder rates (i.e., per capita) as a benchmark to report homicide data per state or other municipality; total murders would be incredibly misleading.

    Murder rate data is simply more robust and thus more informative for law enforcement agencies, their budgets, etc. 
    using per capita only when it suits your needs is a bit odd. 
    If a state has the most murders in it then it has the most murders in it.  That is the data I was looking at.


    well, I'm going to Seattle in a month. I guess I should change that to Steinbach Manitoba since Seattle has more murders. The percentages, be DAMNED! 
    Actually Steinbach had more in 2021.  I looked it up, lol.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 32,659
    dankind said:
    For those keeping score, 8 of the 10 states with the highest murder rates are run by repubs. I guess you can call it shatties versus shitties?
    It's actually 4/10 if you go by actual murders and not per capita/100 population.

    But why would you not look at data per capita? You can't compare events in different cities if you're not comparing by population (among other factors). 
    It's the most murders by state though.  It's a whole different form of data if you go by per capita.  

    Per capita is better for smaller areas.
    Crime statisticians have always used murder rates (i.e., per capita) as a benchmark to report homicide data per state or other municipality; total murders would be incredibly misleading.

    Murder rate data is simply more robust and thus more informative for law enforcement agencies, their budgets, etc. 
    using per capita only when it suits your needs is a bit odd. 
    If a state has the most murders in it then it has the most murders in it.  That is the data I was looking at.


    well, I'm going to Seattle in a month. I guess I should change that to Steinbach Manitoba since Seattle has more murders. The percentages, be DAMNED! 
    Actually Steinbach had more in 2021.  I looked it up, lol.
    there were 43 in all of manitoba and 43 in seattle in 2021. 

    where did you see Steinbach had more murders than seattle?
    I think I'll move to Australia


  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 33,136
    dankind said:
    For those keeping score, 8 of the 10 states with the highest murder rates are run by repubs. I guess you can call it shatties versus shitties?
    It's actually 4/10 if you go by actual murders and not per capita/100 population.

    But why would you not look at data per capita? You can't compare events in different cities if you're not comparing by population (among other factors). 
    It's the most murders by state though.  It's a whole different form of data if you go by per capita.  

    Per capita is better for smaller areas.
    Crime statisticians have always used murder rates (i.e., per capita) as a benchmark to report homicide data per state or other municipality; total murders would be incredibly misleading.

    Murder rate data is simply more robust and thus more informative for law enforcement agencies, their budgets, etc. 
    using per capita only when it suits your needs is a bit odd. 
    If a state has the most murders in it then it has the most murders in it.  That is the data I was looking at.


    well, I'm going to Seattle in a month. I guess I should change that to Steinbach Manitoba since Seattle has more murders. The percentages, be DAMNED! 
    Actually Steinbach had more in 2021.  I looked it up, lol.
    there were 43 in all of manitoba and 43 in seattle in 2021. 

    where did you see Steinbach had more murders than seattle?
    I found 40 in Seattle in 2021 and 43 in Steinbach.  Winnipeg.org and Seattle crime dashboard.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 32,659
    well, winnipeg.org doesn't exist, and there weren't 43 in Steinbach in 2021. or any one year. it's a very small, very religious, mostly dry town. that's the number for the entire province. 
    I think I'll move to Australia


  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 48,648
    well, winnipeg.org doesn't exist, and there weren't 43 in Steinbach in 2021. or any one year. it's a very small, very religious, mostly dry town. that's the number for the entire province. 

    Lol. I was gonna say... I've never even heard of Steinbach, but I think I would have if its murder rate was that high!
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 33,136
    edited March 31
    well, winnipeg.org doesn't exist, and there weren't 43 in Steinbach in 2021. or any one year. it's a very small, very religious, mostly dry town. that's the number for the entire province. 
    http://www.winnipeghomicide.org/2021/2021.html

    Yes it's for Winnipeg.  Sorry I'm piss poor at my Canadian geography.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 32,659
    haha I wouldn't expect ANYONE to have heard of Steinbach, even people in Canada. that was the point of the example. didn't go over well apparently lol. 

    people here only go there to buy a car. 


    I think I'll move to Australia


  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 33,136
    haha I wouldn't expect ANYONE to have heard of Steinbach, even people in Canada. that was the point of the example. didn't go over well apparently lol. 

    people here only go there to buy a car. 


    Yeah I thought Steinbach was it's own thing and not just a part of Winnipeg...
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 32,659
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    it's not a part of winnipeg. it's a 17,000 population city, about a half hour drive east of winnipeg. 
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  • dankinddankind I am not your foot. Posts: 20,826
    Chris, just stop. You suck at this. :tongue:
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  • lindamarie73lindamarie73 Posts: 219
    benjs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    From everything I've heard and read, Seattle doesn't sound like the city I know and love... It really does seem like a lot changed for the worse since I was last there, pre-COVID. And that really sucks.
    Not just Seattle, this Great RE-SET is happening in most rotten brain infested Big shitties throughout America.  And the common theme on who controls those shitties like NYC, LA, CHI, one might ask?? Well ya’know…One cannot talk about that, especially on here…Wake me up when the Woke decides to sleep 
    Linda, you're welcome to talk about anything you want on here - you seem to be the intolerant one of others who would make good faith arguments, because you spew nonsense. This nonsense, of course, comes in between your insults that wouldn't seem out of place in a third grade class, and makes it nearly impossible to think of you as a credible source, let alone an opinion worth learning from.


    Well thank you for giving me permission to express my thoughts on here….Obviously I struck a nerve due to the personal insults towards me…Par for the course around here when one does not drink the coolaide.  Post all the laughable manipulated stats you want, I form my opinions from seeing things w/ my own eyes from my travels to all the Shitties mentioned.  So sad what has happened, but not surprised one bit…Never been happier to be a 1%-er.  
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 32,659
    you and your "struck a nerve" comments. jesus. you didn't strike a nerve. what you don't get is we are LAUGHING AT YOU. we think it's sad. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 31,640
    benjs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    From everything I've heard and read, Seattle doesn't sound like the city I know and love... It really does seem like a lot changed for the worse since I was last there, pre-COVID. And that really sucks.
    Not just Seattle, this Great RE-SET is happening in most rotten brain infested Big shitties throughout America.  And the common theme on who controls those shitties like NYC, LA, CHI, one might ask?? Well ya’know…One cannot talk about that, especially on here…Wake me up when the Woke decides to sleep 
    Linda, you're welcome to talk about anything you want on here - you seem to be the intolerant one of others who would make good faith arguments, because you spew nonsense. This nonsense, of course, comes in between your insults that wouldn't seem out of place in a third grade class, and makes it nearly impossible to think of you as a credible source, let alone an opinion worth learning from.


    Well thank you for giving me permission to express my thoughts on here….Obviously I struck a nerve due to the personal insults towards me…Par for the course around here when one does not drink the coolaide.  Post all the laughable manipulated stats you want, I form my opinions from seeing things w/ my own eyes from my travels to all the Shitties mentioned.  So sad what has happened, but not surprised one bit…Never been happier to be a 1%-er.  
    “Laughable manipulated stats.” Care to counter them with your own “laughable manipulated stats?” And guess what I seen with my eyes in those shitties? Low unemployment, hot real estate markets and Eddie and the Earthlings and soon PJ concerts.

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    Sad? Even picking up the vernacular.
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  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ONPosts: 8,601
    benjs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    From everything I've heard and read, Seattle doesn't sound like the city I know and love... It really does seem like a lot changed for the worse since I was last there, pre-COVID. And that really sucks.
    Not just Seattle, this Great RE-SET is happening in most rotten brain infested Big shitties throughout America.  And the common theme on who controls those shitties like NYC, LA, CHI, one might ask?? Well ya’know…One cannot talk about that, especially on here…Wake me up when the Woke decides to sleep 
    Linda, you're welcome to talk about anything you want on here - you seem to be the intolerant one of others who would make good faith arguments, because you spew nonsense. This nonsense, of course, comes in between your insults that wouldn't seem out of place in a third grade class, and makes it nearly impossible to think of you as a credible source, let alone an opinion worth learning from.


    Well thank you for giving me permission to express my thoughts on here….Obviously I struck a nerve due to the personal insults towards me…Par for the course around here when one does not drink the coolaide.  Post all the laughable manipulated stats you want, I form my opinions from seeing things w/ my own eyes from my travels to all the Shitties mentioned.  So sad what has happened, but not surprised one bit…Never been happier to be a 1%-er.  
    You seem to be implying that you needed permission from this supposedly woke crowd. I'd hate for you to feel your voice doesn't matter.

    Criticizing your posts isn't the same as insulting you, but if your posts are consistently immature insults and/or misinformation, your credibility suffers (again - different from an insult). At that point, your "the Kool-Aid drinkers won't even see my point of view" premise may become true - but it'll be your fault.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 33,136
    it's not a part of winnipeg. it's a 17,000 population city, about a half hour drive east of winnipeg. 
    dankind said:
    Chris, just stop. You suck at this. :tongue:
    Hahahahaha!  When i pulled up that site I thought it was part of Winnipeg!

    This is why I should study Northern Geography...
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 32,659
    it's not a part of winnipeg. it's a 17,000 population city, about a half hour drive east of winnipeg. 
    dankind said:
    Chris, just stop. You suck at this. :tongue:
    Hahahahaha!  When i pulled up that site I thought it was part of Winnipeg!

    This is why I should study Northern Geography...
    had this conversation with my kids the other day, how it's so weird to me how focused my geography class was on knowing all 50 states and capital cities, and half of the US can't point to canada on a map. I think knowing the states is useful, but the capitals? not necessary. i would have rathered spend time on global geography, which I don't recall spending any time on beyond the continents. 
    I think I'll move to Australia


  • HobbesHobbes Pacific NorthwestPosts: 5,870
    Seattle fell so hard this turned into a thread about Winnipeg.
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