Black Lives Matter

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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    RYME said:
    brianlux said:
    drakeheuer14 said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    All lives matter
    Get outta here with this BS. How do some people still not get it?

    BLACK LIVES MATTER.

    drakeheuer14 said:


    Maybe you will listen to a Vedder if no one else. 

    BLACK LIVES MATTER.

    I totally agree that "Black Lives Matter" should be just that and not turned into something else. 

    But I totally disagree with your approach to "educating" someone on that concept.  You didn't educate, you chewed ass in a self-righteous manner on lastexitlondon, one of the best people on these forums- a caring, struggling, thoughtful, decent person.  That's just wrong, way wrong, and because of that, it fucks up your otherwise fundamentally right on message.  At the very least, you owe the dude an apology.
    I have an honest question.  I totally agree that black lives do matter yes.  I  Always have always will.
    I do not have a racist bone in my body.  So in my naivete, what phrase then would be acceptable if you do not want to offend anyone, but yet declare admiration, and acceptance and appreciation for black yellow, red, brown, & white?  I enjoy people, I enjoy and embrace the differences, but yet we're all part of the human race so we're different but not that different.  I believe every individual is uniquely different.  Everyone's DNA is different fingerprints are different, throughout all of humanity there has never been a repeat of any human being prior to today and never will be.
    How does one declare acceptance and appreciation for all the Races & Origins without offending one?  I just don't get it.
     I'm not looking for an argument I'm looking for clarity so I can be a better individual.
    You don't need a phrase to express that you aren't racist, you simply have to keep your mouth shut when a particular race is airing legitimate grievance and not try to minimize their position.
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  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    I agree that black lives matter.  I am very sympathetic to the legit grievances.  But black lives matter said exclusively for blacks, and keep your mouth shut, suggests that every other shade of human skin or ethnicity brown lives, yellow lives, red lives, and every shade of color or descent in between do not matter. 
    I guess I'm looking for a way to celebrate and greve with Black lives, while not dismissing every other race or ethnicity.  It just seems like an unproductive box to be painted into.
    Figuratively and literally I guess I'd like to see us all sit down at the same table and eat and drink together happily.
  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    I'll expand my last point.
    I wish all could sit down at a huge unsegregated Round Table eat and drink in peace and harmony together, where every race is Honored, Understood, Recognized and Seen. and have a beautiful Round Table discussion.
    Get rid of all the hashtags and labels.

  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    RYME said:
    I agree that black lives matter.  I am very sympathetic to the legit grievances.  But black lives matter said exclusively for blacks, and keep your mouth shut, suggests that every other shade of human skin or ethnicity brown lives, yellow lives, red lives, and every shade of color or descent in between do not matter. 
    I guess I'm looking for a way to celebrate and greve with Black lives, while not dismissing every other race or ethnicity.  It just seems like an unproductive box to be painted into.
    Figuratively and literally I guess I'd like to see us all sit down at the same table and eat and drink together happily.
    It does not.  You fundamentally misunderstand both the intent and the very rules of language and grammar.  Scroll back up and look through the thread and you will hopefully see your error.  
    There are several cartoons and explanations that make it pretty clear.

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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    RYME said:
    I agree that black lives matter.  I am very sympathetic to the legit grievances.  But black lives matter said exclusively for blacks, and keep your mouth shut, suggests that every other shade of human skin or ethnicity brown lives, yellow lives, red lives, and every shade of color or descent in between do not matter. 
    I guess I'm looking for a way to celebrate and greve with Black lives, while not dismissing every other race or ethnicity.  It just seems like an unproductive box to be painted into.
    Figuratively and literally I guess I'd like to see us all sit down at the same table and eat and drink together happily.
    You have fundamentally misunderstood the entire intent of the BLM movement. It has never said that black lives matter more, or that black lives are the only ones that matter. It simply says that black lives matter. Stop making up stories about what you imagine it means, and just listen when people in the movement tell you what it means. 
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    To reiterate, the phrase is NOT "only black lives matter" so there is no legitimate reason to try to turn it into that. 
    Would you show up at the Holocaust Museum and try to tell Jewish mourners that theirs wasn't the only
    victimized group, that gay and communist people were killed too?
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    rgambs said:
    RYME said:
    I agree that black lives matter.  I am very sympathetic to the legit grievances.  But black lives matter said exclusively for blacks, and keep your mouth shut, suggests that every other shade of human skin or ethnicity brown lives, yellow lives, red lives, and every shade of color or descent in between do not matter. 
    I guess I'm looking for a way to celebrate and greve with Black lives, while not dismissing every other race or ethnicity.  It just seems like an unproductive box to be painted into.
    Figuratively and literally I guess I'd like to see us all sit down at the same table and eat and drink together happily.
    It does not.  You fundamentally misunderstand both the intent and the very rules of language and grammar.  Scroll back up and look through the thread and you will hopefully see your error.  
    There are several cartoons and explanations that make it pretty clear.

    Well you did tell him to "shut his mouth" and that was a little harsh, cmon, not your best.

    But to @RYME, BLM is about inequality, police abuse, human rights for all.  There is a reason that every ethnicity is out there marching beside them.  They even have Law Enforcement marching WITH them.
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  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    rgambs said:
    To reiterate, the phrase is NOT "only black lives matter" so there is no legitimate reason to try to turn it into that. 
    Would you show up at the Holocaust Museum and try to tell Jewish mourners that theirs wasn't the only
    victimized group, that gay and communist people were killed too?
    It didn't take me until just the last few years BLM movement of any kind for me to suddenly feel and acknowledge that black lives matter.
    It is not a new thing for me, I have always believed that black lives matter.  And my black friends in my life know that about me.  And when I bump into some black people at the gas station or whatever that don't know me, I always hold the door for them and acknowledge them with respect.
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    if you really want to piss some people off, on july 4 go around and tell all your right wing friends that ALL countries matter.

    You just wrote my July 4 Facebook post (assuming I haven't ditched Facebook by that point).
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    RYME said:
    rgambs said:
    To reiterate, the phrase is NOT "only black lives matter" so there is no legitimate reason to try to turn it into that. 
    Would you show up at the Holocaust Museum and try to tell Jewish mourners that theirs wasn't the only
    victimized group, that gay and communist people were killed too?
    It didn't take me until just the last few years BLM movement of any kind for me to suddenly feel and acknowledge that black lives matter.
    It is not a new thing for me, I have always believed that black lives matter.  And my black friends in my life know that about me.  And when I bump into some black people at the gas station or whatever that don't know me, I always hold the door for them and acknowledge them with respect.
    Groovy.  So then the next step is to ask yourself why you feel the need to add an asterisk to a statement you agree with... Why change the meaning of the statement to something you disagree with?
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  • tempo_n_groove
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    OnWis97 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    if you really want to piss some people off, on july 4 go around and tell all your right wing friends that ALL countries matter.

    You just wrote my July 4 Facebook post (assuming I haven't ditched Facebook by that point).
    I almost pissed myself reading this, lol!!!
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    ^^^An interesting discussion about the phrase "Black Lives Matter".

    Personally, I'm not into slogans, labels and the like. I rarely if ever use them.   For me, it's more important to learn as much as reasonably possible about other people and act in a matter that is unoffensive to their beliefs or style or whatever.  And it's important to me to advocate for equality and fairness. 

    I was at a memorial in a home once.  Three of the guys that were friends of the deceased were black, everyone else in attendance was white.   At one point, I notice the black guys were outside by themselves.  I didn't know if they felt ostracized or just preferred to hang by themselves, but I knew one of them pretty well and hadn't had a chance to catch up with him so I thought I go out and say hello while I had the chance.  It wasn't about being PC and showing how cool I could be hanging with the minority dudes, it was about how I liked this one guy anyway and, to be honest, I liked the idea of hanging out with the brothers because they seemed like cool people.  When I went out and started said hello, I think they were surprised that a white dude wanted to hang out with them and before you know it, we were all talking away and having a good time.  I think they thought it was cool that I felt comfortable hanging with them. 

    I'd do the same with other people of color or other nationalities.  It's great rubbing elbows with people who are different. 

    "Black Lives Matter"? Yeah sure, OK.  But learning about and getting to know different kinds of people- that's where it's at for me.
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  • mace1229
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    dignin said:
    mace1229 said:
    dignin said:
    mace1229 said:
    rgambs said:
    mace1229 said:
    Here’s why I don’t see an issue with all lives matter. After Michael Brown cops were targeted, ambushed and killed. Supporters of police started saying blue lives matter. Other non-black  groups have also been targeted. People were, and still are, placing signs in their window that read “black owned business” so that rioters and looters would skip over that place.
    I agree it is the minority of protestors, but you still didn’t have to watch much of the news to see mobs of violence. 

    So to me when I hear “all lives matter” it’s a cry to stop all the violence. Protesting black violence by beating and sometimes killing innocent others because of their skin color or job will never be the right way to protest.

    when I hear “all lives matter” I interpret that as saying don’t solve black violence with random blue or white violence, because that’s when it started.

    And it doesn’t help their cause, people won’t forget George Floyd faster than when they start seeing pictures of cops who were murdered during a protest.
    That's a stretch.  I don't know why you feel the need to redefine something on other people's behalf so you can be comfortable with it. Is it just to be contrary?  Are you trying to make peace with your own reaction to BLM, or defend the position held by friends and/or family?  
    I don't get why exactly, but it's definitely unsavory.
    You don’t know what my stance is. I never respond to BLM by saying or chanting ALM.
    I understand both sides. 
    Killing random cops is what started BLM, which lead into ALM. Sorry that’s unsavory to you.
    Huh?
    You don’t remember 5 or 6 cops being executed shortly after BLM started? 
    I’m not saying it was BLM. I don’t remember al the details, some were NYC. Some were ambushed and shot in the head, I remember at least 1 or 2 being attacked with an axe. That’s when I started hearing blue lived matter. You don’t remember any of that?
    I don't really remember that, definitely possible. But killing random cops isn't what started BLM, it was the other way around obviously.
     Yes, police brutality stars yes Black LM. Killing random cops in response to police brutality is what started Blue LM.
  • Bentleyspop
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Bentleyspop said:

    This is "all lives matter", this is the spirit of it.
    If you hear "black lives matter" and your first response is to think "all lives matter", then squash that part of you.  Stamp it out, because even if it's a poppy seed sentiment, this is the plant it grows into and the ugly flower it blooms 
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  • brianlux
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    Bentleyspop said:


    This guy is the worst kind of troll. 
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  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 2,988
    I’ve been hesitant to speak in this thread for fear of being misunderstood, but since at the moment this is largely a discussion about the phrase “Black Lives Matter”, there’s a thought that’s been running through my head as I’ve followed this discussion.

    Couldn’t at least some of the confusion have been avoided if the phrase was “Black Lives Matter Too”? To me it doesn’t water down any of the message but simply clarifies.

    From my own perspective I agree and sympathize with the BLM movement in the U.S., but feel the problem isn’t so much police brutality (which does happen, to be clear) as it is a matter of economic disparities that force many of the confrontations to occur.

    A friend of mine recently asserted that other minorities have been less discriminated against than Black people throughout North American history, a claim I’m not sure I agree with.

    All that said, I’m incredibly grateful I grew up in the multicultural mecca of Toronto, Canada. As well in my household colour was never anything more than a physical descriptor. Doesn’t mean I can’t learn from what’s currently happening though, so thank you to all in this thread (and elsewhere) for helping me in this.

    Now that the rioting has mostly stopped my only request of those out protesting is to try and be more mindful of the current viral pandemic. It occurred to me that images of the protests might be even more powerful if everyone took care to properly physically distance themselves.

     I hope I’m not being offensive in what and how I’ve said.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    Bentleyspop said:

    There were some idiots w the All Lives and Trump crap too in Smithtown the other day.  

    Nothing like trying to incite a riot, dear lord man.
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,893
    If you dont use twitter or face book or instagram how would  you even know about this and the people doing these things. The media is very responsible  for causing hatred also. Like someone like me and the guy above heartfelt love for every human. Somehow a group  of what looks like trump fans are being  racist and  so people with love in their  heart can be put with these idiots in the video. Man its all a bit crazy. 


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