The coronavirus

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  • Indifference71
    Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,913
    F Me In The Brain said:
    It is like eating eggs being good or bad for you...different study different day.
    This is great news if true, it would greatly impact the way things are dealt with moving forward


    Oh for sure.  It's hard to know what to believe anymore.  But yeah, if this is true that would be a game changer.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,545
    I'm sorry, what?




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  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    Literally the exact opposite of what they’ve been saying all along.  Unbelievable. 
  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    So the takeaways are to stay away from people with fevers, that are coughing and sneezing and you should be in good shape.  If you’re sick, stay home.  All seems pretty simple. What am I missing? 
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,823
    That they will change their minds in about a week?
    ;)
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  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    F Me In The Brain said:
    That they will change their minds in about a week?
    ;)
    Amen!! Can’t keep up. Lol 
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    F Me In The Brain said:
    That they will change their minds in about a week?
    ;)

    Probably.  From the article: "More research and data are needed to "truly answer" the question of whether the coronavirus can spread widely through asymptomatic carriers, Van Kerkhove added"

    I know we like hard, unwavering answers but you're going to get evolving / changing findings.  That's science for you.  But this doesn't mean the earlier evidence was some sort of conspiracy against Trump or capitalism.

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    OnWis97 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    That they will change their minds in about a week?
    ;)

    Probably.  From the article: "More research and data are needed to "truly answer" the question of whether the coronavirus can spread widely through asymptomatic carriers, Van Kerkhove added"

    I know we like hard, unwavering answers but you're going to get evolving / changing findings.  That's science for you.  But this doesn't mean the earlier evidence was some sort of conspiracy against Trump or capitalism.

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  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    OnWis97 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    That they will change their minds in about a week?
    ;)

    Probably.  From the article: "More research and data are needed to "truly answer" the question of whether the coronavirus can spread widely through asymptomatic carriers, Van Kerkhove added"

    I know we like hard, unwavering answers but you're going to get evolving / changing findings.  That's science for you.  But this doesn't mean the earlier evidence was some sort of conspiracy against Trump or capitalism.

    I'm not a scientist or medical expert, so maybe this is how things go in the world of novel viruses.  That said, as a layman, it is incredible to me that certain parts of this pandemic have literally done 180 degree turns in the matter of a few short weeks or months.  These are topics that the "experts" announced with conviction, too.  They said flat out that this virus was transmitted by asymptomatic carriers.  Not only that, but that the transmission by asymptomatic carriers could be one of the biggest contributors to the spread of the virus.  Now they say it cannot be spread by asymptomatic carriers.  That's a pretty big one to get wrong, if they did.  Maybe should have held tight on announcing to the world that it was spread that way.

  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    bbiggs said:
    OnWis97 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    That they will change their minds in about a week?
    ;)

    Probably.  From the article: "More research and data are needed to "truly answer" the question of whether the coronavirus can spread widely through asymptomatic carriers, Van Kerkhove added"

    I know we like hard, unwavering answers but you're going to get evolving / changing findings.  That's science for you.  But this doesn't mean the earlier evidence was some sort of conspiracy against Trump or capitalism.

    I'm not a scientist or medical expert, so maybe this is how things go in the world of novel viruses.  That said, as a layman, it is incredible to me that certain parts of this pandemic have literally done 180 degree turns in the matter of a few short weeks or months.  These are topics that the "experts" announced with conviction, too.  They said flat out that this virus was transmitted by asymptomatic carriers.  Not only that, but that the transmission by asymptomatic carriers could be one of the biggest contributors to the spread of the virus.  Now they say it cannot be spread by asymptomatic carriers.  That's a pretty big one to get wrong, if they did.  Maybe should have held tight on announcing to the world that it was spread that way.

    They are not saying it can’t be spread by asymptotic carriers, they are saying that this is less common than had been believed and not the predominant method of spread.  

    We have known about this virus for less than one year. This is lightning speed accumulation of knowledge, in comparison to how it usually goes. It’s completely unrealistic to expect that all preliminary findings will go on to be correct.

    If scientists had said that there was little to no risk of asymptomatic spread and it turned out that it was actually significant, I suspect that you, and many others, would be screaming about that. 
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  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    My point is, they came out and said definitively that large scale asymptomatic spread was happening. Had they said, “there is a chance of asymptomatic spread, but we cannot be certain,” it would be different.  Then, everyone would still need to assume worst case and act accordingly.  I understand information is coming at light speed and ever changing.  My gripe is the delivery of their messaging. 
  • Spunkie
    Spunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 7,095
    I realize there is a potential 2 week incubation period, however I recall many get sick 2 days after exposure or 2-5 days? Anyhow, the kids went back to school last week and the Interior region of BC has remained at 195 cases. It's a bit early to call it, but it seems like some of the parents around town can breathe a sigh of relief. I am so glad we re-opened with restaurants and retail before we let the kids back to school and playgrounds.

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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,258
    If asymptomatic can’t spread then the main reason for masks is off the table.  Crazy.  

    It is good news though and hope true
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    I’m sure the Trump-ets will spin the asymptomatic thing as reckless fear mongering from dems  if it turns out it has little effect but it’s simply yet another failure of ol’ orange balls.
  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    edited June 2020
    oftenreading said:
    bbiggs said:
    OnWis97 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    That they will change their minds in about a week?
    ;)

    Probably.  From the article: "More research and data are needed to "truly answer" the question of whether the coronavirus can spread widely through asymptomatic carriers, Van Kerkhove added"

    I know we like hard, unwavering answers but you're going to get evolving / changing findings.  That's science for you.  But this doesn't mean the earlier evidence was some sort of conspiracy against Trump or capitalism.

    I'm not a scientist or medical expert, so maybe this is how things go in the world of novel viruses.  That said, as a layman, it is incredible to me that certain parts of this pandemic have literally done 180 degree turns in the matter of a few short weeks or months.  These are topics that the "experts" announced with conviction, too.  They said flat out that this virus was transmitted by asymptomatic carriers.  Not only that, but that the transmission by asymptomatic carriers could be one of the biggest contributors to the spread of the virus.  Now they say it cannot be spread by asymptomatic carriers.  That's a pretty big one to get wrong, if they did.  Maybe should have held tight on announcing to the world that it was spread that way.

    They are not saying it can’t be spread by asymptotic carriers, they are saying that this is less common than had been believed and not the predominant method of spread.  

    We have known about this virus for less than one year. This is lightning speed accumulation of knowledge, in comparison to how it usually goes. It’s completely unrealistic to expect that all preliminary findings will go on to be correct.

    If scientists had said that there was little to no risk of asymptomatic spread and it turned out that it was actually significant, I suspect that you, and many others, would be screaming about that. 
    I think you need be corrected on your first sentence. They are not saying it is just less common. They are saying that it is very rare. Huge difference imo. I agree with your last thought but wonder why they would say that with no evidence to back it up. I think it was wise to be careful of this virus the last couple of months due to the unknown factor but as time goes on and we do some proper learning I hope we will see ways that we can move forward with our living with necessary modifications and not have to live in fear of another full lockdown. Also if you look at the excess deaths in the USA it is staggering. Something needs to be done to protect the sick and old from this virus that I am sure of.
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,545
    bootlegger10 said:
    If asymptomatic can’t spread then the main reason for masks is off the table.  Crazy.  

    It is good news though and hope true
    Now I'm reading that they should have distinguished between "asymptomatic" and "pre-symptomatic" and that even seems like a sorta fine line. My brain is going to explode.
  • what dreams
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    DewieCox said:
    I’m sure the Trump-ets will spin the asymptomatic thing as reckless fear mongering from dems  if it turns out it has little effect but it’s simply yet another failure of ol’ orange balls.
    All of a sudden, they'll love the WHO. Greatest health care agency on earth. Nobody knows more about viruses, BIG VIRUSES,  than the WHO

     Get ready for it
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,258
    what dreams said:
    DewieCox said:
    I’m sure the Trump-ets will spin the asymptomatic thing as reckless fear mongering from dems  if it turns out it has little effect but it’s simply yet another failure of ol’ orange balls.
    All of a sudden, they'll love the WHO. Greatest health care agency on earth. Nobody knows more about viruses, BIG VIRUSES,  than the WHO

     Get ready for it
    Yep. 
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    Fauci....
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,474
    With the protests going on you have a lot of PO'd people that stayed home and and listened but nobody is really talking about all the people in the streets.

    I really hope there isn't another outbreak.  If there isn't it will seem like a proven conspiracy to a bunch of people.
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