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  • brianlux
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    mcgruff10 said:

    Sweden is rushing to launch a formal inquiry into its no-lockdown coronavirus strategy, as its death rate remains among the world's highest

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/sweden-rushing-launch-formal-inquiry-122428968.html

    That's really sad because in some ways, Sweden seems like a very together place.  It looks like they really dropped the ball on this one.  It's a bummer to hear about their high death rate, especially when the evidence was already out there that countries that quickly shut down have had lower death rates.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,315
    were sweden’s hospitals overrun with covid cases during the last quarantine that other countries did?  just curious. 
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  • Spunkie
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    ^No, they were not, which was part of the decision making logic. Let's go easy on them until we see how this plays out in the end.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    3. Swedish regrets

     

    The Swedish epidemiologist who has overseen the country’s laissez-faire response to the coronavirus said yesterday that it should have taken more aggressive steps. The epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, had previously defended the approach — meant to build up “herd immunity,” by encouraging normal behavior — and criticized other countries.

    The Guardian reported that Sweden suffered the world’s highest per capita death rate in the week that ended Tuesday, although some other countries still have higher overall death rates.

     

    A view from Gothenburg: “It was a shock at first to see young people sitting in bars, office workers crowding food trucks and hair salons filled with clients,” says my colleague Lara Takenaga, who recently relocated to Sweden from New York. “There are sometimes signs in stores instructing you to keep two meters apart or a lone bottle of hand sanitizer, but no one wears face coverings or gloves. The threat of the virus feels distant — it’s almost like the Before Times.”

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  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    edited June 2020
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    3. Swedish regrets

     

    The Swedish epidemiologist who has overseen the country’s laissez-faire response to the coronavirus said yesterday that it should have taken more aggressive steps. The epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, had previously defended the approach — meant to build up “herd immunity,” by encouraging normal behavior — and criticized other countries.

    The Guardian reported that Sweden suffered the world’s highest per capita death rate in the week that ended Tuesday, although some other countries still have higher overall death rates.

     

    A view from Gothenburg: “It was a shock at first to see young people sitting in bars, office workers crowding food trucks and hair salons filled with clients,” says my colleague Lara Takenaga, who recently relocated to Sweden from New York. “There are sometimes signs in stores instructing you to keep two meters apart or a lone bottle of hand sanitizer, but no one wears face coverings or gloves. The threat of the virus feels distant — it’s almost like the Before Times.”

    I just don't get it. I mean to get herd immunity 40-80 thousand people would have had to die in Sweden alone to achieve that if you factor in a 0.5% - 1% death rate. You are saying that you are ok with that happening by trying for herd immunity and now that you have higher deaths per capita you admit to making a mistake doing that? How did you not know that was going to be the result in the first place? It is simple math and now that the have a fairly high death count compared to everyone else per capita and a weak number up against herd immunity you are second guessing things? This is what you had planned on doing and these are the results anyone following this expected. 

    Also where is the right wing media on this? For weeks we kept hearing about ya but Sweden didn't do anything and they are doing great. Where are the follow up reports? 

    Edit: Sweden decided to try for herd immunity when we did not have an accurate death rate too (still waiting for one but we are getting closer). A lot of groups had it at 3% at that point. 
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  • SHZA
    SHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,314
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    3. Swedish regrets

     

    The Swedish epidemiologist who has overseen the country’s laissez-faire response to the coronavirus said yesterday that it should have taken more aggressive steps. The epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, had previously defended the approach — meant to build up “herd immunity,” by encouraging normal behavior — and criticized other countries.

    The Guardian reported that Sweden suffered the world’s highest per capita death rate in the week that ended Tuesday, although some other countries still have higher overall death rates.

     

    A view from Gothenburg: “It was a shock at first to see young people sitting in bars, office workers crowding food trucks and hair salons filled with clients,” says my colleague Lara Takenaga, who recently relocated to Sweden from New York. “There are sometimes signs in stores instructing you to keep two meters apart or a lone bottle of hand sanitizer, but no one wears face coverings or gloves. The threat of the virus feels distant — it’s almost like the Before Times.”

    No Swedish regrets


    In an interview in Stockholm on Wednesday, Tegnell said he has no regrets, and is “still confident” that Sweden’s strategy “is working, in broad terms. But like any strategy, it needs to be adapted all the time.”
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-03/sweden-won-t-abandon-covid-strategy-despite-admitting-to-errors
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,315
    the article in sweden also notes that 50% of the deaths were in nursing’s homes.  Is Sweden the only country to have leaders to admit the may have made wrong decisions when dealing with an unknown pandemic?   Why do we view that as a weakness?  I’d rather have leaders who admit they were wrong and modify policy instead of never admitting they were wrong, doubling down on their wrong decision, and then spend resources on studies to justify the wrong decision to the public. 
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  • mrussel1
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    Jason P said:
    the article in sweden also notes that 50% of the deaths were in nursing’s homes.  Is Sweden the only country to have leaders to admit the may have made wrong decisions when dealing with an unknown pandemic?   Why do we view that as a weakness?  I’d rather have leaders who admit they were wrong and modify policy instead of never admitting they were wrong, doubling down on their wrong decision, and then spend resources on studies to justify the wrong decision to the public. 
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,196
    mcgruff10 said:

    Sweden is rushing to launch a formal inquiry into its no-lockdown coronavirus strategy, as its death rate remains among the world's highest

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/sweden-rushing-launch-formal-inquiry-122428968.html
    didn't we all see this coming?
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  • bbiggs
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  • pjl44
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    bbiggs said:

    Unfortunately, you can't really glean much from that without also knowing the associated change in testing 
  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    yeah i can't make heads or tails of what's going on anymore.  don't know what to believe.  numbers skewed everywhere.  the mindset of everyone seems to be "what virus?"  Just thought i'd post for what it's worth (not much lol)
  • Spunkie
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    https://news.gov.bc.ca/files/June4_Covid19_ForSplitScreen_V8.pdf

    BC released new modelling today. You can see the slides above and the youtube link below walks you through the slides.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK_4N6jtJbQ

    Our RNA sequencing told us weather cases were from China, Iran, Washington, or Eastern Canada/Europe. They are stressing borders at Washington and large gatherings as high risk. My area only had 1 new case in the last 2 weeks after we started re-opening businesses/restaurants. The next loosing of measures (such as school and parks came back this week) will inform us on our summer. Looks like we are going to keep going down into the summer.

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  • PJNB
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    Wonder if Texas will be getting large concerts again this year too. 50% at a stadium is still over double an arena show. 
  • nicknyr15
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    PJNB said:
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    Wonder if Texas will be getting large concerts again this year too. 50% at a stadium is still over double an arena show. 
    I don’t see why not. These protests pretty much put the nail in the coffin for social distancing. 
  • tempo_n_groove
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    PJNB said:
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    Wonder if Texas will be getting large concerts again this year too. 50% at a stadium is still over double an arena show. 
    I'll predict only country acts will do this.  Strictly biased by me, lol.
  • bbiggs
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    nicknyr15 said:
    PJNB said:
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    Wonder if Texas will be getting large concerts again this year too. 50% at a stadium is still over double an arena show. 
    I don’t see why not. These protests pretty much put the nail in the coffin for social distancing. 
    Was thinking the same. A few weeks ago a group of 10 was a scary thought. Now groups of 10,000 are a daily occurrence. 
  • nicknyr15
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    bbiggs said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    PJNB said:
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    Wonder if Texas will be getting large concerts again this year too. 50% at a stadium is still over double an arena show. 
    I don’t see why not. These protests pretty much put the nail in the coffin for social distancing. 
    Was thinking the same. A few weeks ago a group of 10 was a scary thought. Now groups of 10,000 are a daily occurrence. 
    Yup.  This past week in NYC you could get in more trouble for dipping a toe in the ocean than looting department stores. Weird times. I really hope NYC doesn’t see a huge spike in Covid cases the next two weeks. Just as we’re making progress here. 
  • bbiggs
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    nicknyr15 said:
    bbiggs said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    PJNB said:
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    Wonder if Texas will be getting large concerts again this year too. 50% at a stadium is still over double an arena show. 
    I don’t see why not. These protests pretty much put the nail in the coffin for social distancing. 
    Was thinking the same. A few weeks ago a group of 10 was a scary thought. Now groups of 10,000 are a daily occurrence. 
    Yup.  This past week in NYC you could get in more trouble for dipping a toe in the ocean than looting department stores. Weird times. I really hope NYC doesn’t see a huge spike in Covid cases the next two weeks. Just as we’re making progress here. 
    I saw you guys had zero Covid deaths yesterday for the first time in months.  Big milestone.  Hope it continues for everyone's sake.

  • PJNB
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    Had a good laugh at this probably more than I should have. This is not aimed at anyone here btw. 
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