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  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    edited June 2020
    mace1229 said:
    PJNB said:
    mace1229 said:
    tbergs said:
    Ugh, this picture just kills me (those are beanbag and tear gas guns I believe for anyone thinking they are semi-auto rifles). Those are protestors; not rioters, not looters. They were violating the city imposed curfew yesterday that started at 8pm. The police are put in a shitty position and the protestors want their message to be heard. I get needing to curtail the violence and looting, but I wish there was an opportunity for those being peaceful to still be heard 24/7.
    Protesters were detained by the police in Minneapolis on Sunday
    I appreciate your post. Too many are just cop bashing right now. But they are out between a rock and a hard place. Some are over reacting, most are just trying to get through their shift.
    Peaceful protests are getting teargassed and maced as we speak right now. Take a look what is going on in Philly this second. That is not between a rock and a hard place imo. That is stoking violence and more unrest. At night past curfew is a different ballgame but I have seen way too many videos the last couple of days of peaceful protesters and media being beaten, shot at (non lethal), and maced with other cops just watching. I assume the cops that stand there watching are the good cops you are talking about trying to get through their shift. Until we get to a day where the good cops police the bad cops we are going to be on an endless loop with this shit. 

    I respect police and know they have a tough job with split second decisions and their life is on the line every time they start their shift. They did however sign up for that job and I would hope through training and leadership that some kind of change could happen with how they conduct their business. 


    Haven’t really watched tv yet today. But the last 3 or 4 days every situation like you described had rocks and water bottles being thrown at the cops. Or a few cases where they were trying to move a crowd or clear a road. I’m sure there was unnecessary use of gas with all the chaos, but it looks like most of it was justified.

    I did see a cop shoot a paint gun at people for standing on their porch, that was stupid. 
    To be fair to the cops the majority of them are standing around and allowing peaceful protests. That is not newsworthy or interesting however so the times that this does not happen we would see the videos and think that maybe the norm of what is happening right now. 

    To go back to the good cops and bad cops comment I made. I would really hope and want to believe that there are only a few bad apples in the police force and the overwhelming majority are good cops trying to make an honest living and doing honest days work. If this is the case however why are the good cops not pushing the bad cops out more often instead of turning a blind eye or not speaking up when they would have a chance to do so? I am not saying this does not happen at all I am wondering why this does not happen with more consistency. If a peaceful protester is standing there not doing anything wrong and a cop comes up and shoves that protester from behind knocking them over, kicks and maces them in the middle of the day how are the other cops just watching this happen and continue on with their march? I just do not get it. I know everyone is on edge but come on. I have seen a couple of times where cops did step up but the vast majority they have not. 

    To Brian's comments about cops that are in support of the protesters having  an easier time dealing with them. I thought about that yesterday as well and think it is very true. A lot of that was in the daytime however and once the curfew hits and the dark takes over all bets are off it seems.  
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  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    Police using force to push back peaceful protests so Trump can have photo op at a church has got to be one of the most ridiculous things I have seen so far in the last 5 days. My hate for Trump maybe clouding my judgement on that and the way CNN is reporting this but fuck that. 
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,079
    PJNB said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJNB said:
    mace1229 said:
    tbergs said:
    Ugh, this picture just kills me (those are beanbag and tear gas guns I believe for anyone thinking they are semi-auto rifles). Those are protestors; not rioters, not looters. They were violating the city imposed curfew yesterday that started at 8pm. The police are put in a shitty position and the protestors want their message to be heard. I get needing to curtail the violence and looting, but I wish there was an opportunity for those being peaceful to still be heard 24/7.
    Protesters were detained by the police in Minneapolis on Sunday
    I appreciate your post. Too many are just cop bashing right now. But they are out between a rock and a hard place. Some are over reacting, most are just trying to get through their shift.
    Peaceful protests are getting teargassed and maced as we speak right now. Take a look what is going on in Philly this second. That is not between a rock and a hard place imo. That is stoking violence and more unrest. At night past curfew is a different ballgame but I have seen way too many videos the last couple of days of peaceful protesters and media being beaten, shot at (non lethal), and maced with other cops just watching. I assume the cops that stand there watching are the good cops you are talking about trying to get through their shift. Until we get to a day where the good cops police the bad cops we are going to be on an endless loop with this shit. 

    I respect police and know they have a tough job with split second decisions and their life is on the line every time they start their shift. They did however sign up for that job and I would hope through training and leadership that some kind of change could happen with how they conduct their business. 


    Haven’t really watched tv yet today. But the last 3 or 4 days every situation like you described had rocks and water bottles being thrown at the cops. Or a few cases where they were trying to move a crowd or clear a road. I’m sure there was unnecessary use of gas with all the chaos, but it looks like most of it was justified.

    I did see a cop shoot a paint gun at people for standing on their porch, that was stupid. 
    To be fair to the cops the majority of them are standing around and allowing peaceful protests. That is not newsworthy or interesting however so the times that this does not happen we would see the videos and think that maybe the norm of what is happening right now. 

    To go back to the good cops and bad cops comment I made. I would really hope and want to believe that there are only a few bad apples in the police force and the overwhelming majority are good cops trying to make an honest living and doing honest days work. If this is the case however why are the good cops not pushing the bad cops out more often instead of turning a blind eye or not speaking up when they would have a chance to do so? I am not saying this does not happen at all I am wondering why this does not happen with more consistency. If a peaceful protester is standing there not doing anything wrong and a cop comes up and shoves that protester from behind knocking them over, kicks and maces them in the middle of the day how are the other cops just watching this happen and continue on with their march? I just do not get it. I know everyone is on edge but come on. I have seen a couple of times where cops did step up but the vast majority they have not. 

    To Brian's comments about cops that are in support of the protesters having  an easier time dealing with them. I thought about that yesterday as well and think it is very true. A lot of that was in the daytime however and once the curfew hits and the dark takes over all bets are off it seems.  
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  • PJNB
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    wtf is going on in DC. 
  • PJNB
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    https://www.instagram.com/p/CA6DCHWFPOQ/?utm_source=ig_embed

    Philly protesters trapped with teargas launched at them. The Instagram link is a different angle


  • brianlux
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    PJNB said:




    wtf is going on in DC. 

    What the FUCK!?!  I stand by good cops but these are fucking pigs.
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  • josevolution
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    PJNB said:




    wtf is going on in DC. 
    The orange Baffoon is flexing his muscles after getting a lesson in authority from Putin today during his phone call, think about that he spoke to Putin before even talking to the governor’s of this country lol or address the nation on what has been some of the darkest times! We are doomed. 
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    These riots are out of control. People getting their asses kicked by mobs. Watch this shit in Rochester... 

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  • bootlegger10
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    These riots are out of control. People getting their asses kicked by mobs. Watch this shit in Rochester... 

    https://youtu.be/5tEUmmYDUfA
    It is ridiculous.  We need to separate the protests and the looting/violence.  Support the protests while at the same time hold those causing trouble accountable now.  Easier said then done because too many innocent protesters and police put in harms way.  

    At some point though you can’t just allow people to destroy a neighborhood. 
  • Mike D88
    Mike D88 Tampa Posts: 767
    edited June 2020
    A Twitter account claiming to belong to a national “antifa” organization and pushing violent rhetoric related to ongoing protests has been linked to the white nationalist group Identity Evropa, according to a Twitter spokesperson.
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  • gimmesometruth27
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    told yall
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  • Jason P
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    All perfect examples of why twitter needs to die.
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    bootlegger10 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    These riots are out of control. People getting their asses kicked by mobs. Watch this shit in Rochester... 

    https://youtu.be/5tEUmmYDUfA
    It is ridiculous.  We need to separate the protests and the looting/violence.  Support the protests while at the same time hold those causing trouble accountable now.  Easier said then done because too many innocent protesters and police put in harms way.  

    At some point though you can’t just allow people to destroy a neighborhood. 
    It’s anarchy. God damn opportunists taking advantage. I can live with someone stealing a PlayStation from a Target, but not an assault like the one in the video. And shit like that is happening all over. 
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  • Mike D88
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    tbergs said:
    Ugh, this picture just kills me (those are beanbag and tear gas guns I believe for anyone thinking they are semi-auto rifles). Those are protestors; not rioters, not looters. They were violating the city imposed curfew yesterday that started at 8pm. The police are put in a shitty position and the protestors want their message to be heard. I get needing to curtail the violence and looting, but I wish there was an opportunity for those being peaceful to still be heard 24/7.
    Protesters were detained by the police in Minneapolis on Sunday
    Backtracking through the thread a bit.

    Absolute miss on the weapon IDs. The officer second from the right is carrying an AR pattern rifle with a 30-round box magazine. And the muzzle is not clear of that woman on the ground.
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  • tbergs
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    Mike D88 said:
    tbergs said:
    Ugh, this picture just kills me (those are beanbag and tear gas guns I believe for anyone thinking they are semi-auto rifles). Those are protestors; not rioters, not looters. They were violating the city imposed curfew yesterday that started at 8pm. The police are put in a shitty position and the protestors want their message to be heard. I get needing to curtail the violence and looting, but I wish there was an opportunity for those being peaceful to still be heard 24/7.
    Protesters were detained by the police in Minneapolis on Sunday
    Backtracking through the thread a bit.

    Absolute miss on the weapon IDs. The officer second from the right is carrying an AR pattern rifle with a 30-round box magazine. And the muzzle is not clear of that woman on the ground.
    My bad. The magazine should have gave it away. That's why I said I believe.

    And maybe it wasn't clear, but I'm sympathetic to the protestors here. I just think it's messed up that cops are being deployed this way against peaceful protestors. I couldn't do it. They follow orders and there really isn't room for discussion about it. That sucks.
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  • hedonist
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    Kat said:
    Yes, c'mon media. This.


    Actually, I saw that quite a bit on various news channels. 

    I still think “fuck the police” is its own form of prejudice. 
  • Kat
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    Many people are looking for the truth.



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  • cincybearcat
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    hedonist said:
    Kat said:
    Yes, c'mon media. This.


    Actually, I saw that quite a bit on various news channels. 

    I still think “fuck the police” is its own form of prejudice. 
    As is calling them pigs. Dehumanizing them. Just like using thugs for protesters.

     Really bringing out the worst in a lot of people.
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  • Mike D88
    Mike D88 Tampa Posts: 767
    edited June 2020
    "Police" is not a protected class worthy of exclusion from prejudice. It's an occupation, one that selects for aggressors and bullies, and then either doesn't train them enough, or trains them to be openly adversarial. There is a long-simmering issue of cops being "unaccountable men with guns" that could be its own enormous discussion. These protests offer an opportunity with even less accountability than normal, owing to a combination of anonymity, less-lethal weapons, lax rules of engagement, and general chaos.

    To wit: There has been an alarming trend of police forces deliberately targeting journalists in way I would expect to see in some failed, war-torn state. They feel empowered to do this despite the potential for wide publicity.

    A round-up of 20 incidents through May 30:

    Other incidents that have followed since then:

    "MSNBC reporters were just almost hit with some sort of explosive device by law enforcement officers in Minneapolis"

    "Reuters camera crew hit by rubber bullets as more journalists attacked at U.S. protests"

    "[CBS affiliate] WCCO Veteran Photographer Struck By Rubber Bullet, Arrested By State Patrol"

    VICE: "I Told Riot Cops I’m a Journalist. They Forced Me to the Ground and Pepper-Sprayed Me in the Face."

    "[ABC affiliate] KSTP crew caught in middle of chemical irritants dispersed by National Guard, local law enforcement"

    "This is Ryan Faircloth, a reporter with the Star Tribune. He says he was trying to get home when police shot out his window."

    Australian Channel 7: "Scary moment Sunrise reporter Amelia Brace is caught up in US violence"

    "Um, what? This just aired on @ABC7News."

    This is what is happening to journalists with cameras and live feeds. That's how assured police are that any assault they choose to commit will go unpunished. Now imagine how much goes on without any record.
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  • brianlux
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    Mike D88 said:
    A Twitter account claiming to belong to a national “antifa” organization and pushing violent rhetoric related to ongoing protests has been linked to the white nationalist group Identity Evropa, according to a Twitter spokesperson.

    Kat said:
    Many people are looking for the truth.




    I heard a good term for this and other activities aimed at sabotaging legitimate protests:  "Protest Hackers".  This is the term our county sheriff thus: " What I call “Protest Hackers”, those that infiltrate peaceful protests with nefarious and violent intentions..."





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