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  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,983
    You definitely aren't alone in that, gimme. Hang out here and help me be distracted so the tears will stop. My cheeks are going to get raw. So much pain out there. Big hugs.
    Falling down,...not staying down
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,983
    Yes, c'mon media. This.


    Falling down,...not staying down
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,807
    Kat said:
    You definitely aren't alone in that, gimme. Hang out here and help me be distracted so the tears will stop. My cheeks are going to get raw. So much pain out there. Big hugs.
    thanks Kat. back at ya.

    there is an old saying that i am reminded of. it goes something like "you only grow to the extent of the number of difficult conversations that you are willing to have." the leaders in this country have to have some difficult conversations or nothing is going to get better for anybody. 

    the fact that trump has not addressed the nation is inexcusable. he is not even going through the motions of being president.

    the opposite of love is indifference. and that dude is indifferent to anything other than his base and poll numbers.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • RunIntoTheRain
    RunIntoTheRain Texas Posts: 1,033
    Kat said:
    Yes, c'mon media. This.


    Yes please
  • RunIntoTheRain
    RunIntoTheRain Texas Posts: 1,033
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Kat said:
    You definitely aren't alone in that, gimme. Hang out here and help me be distracted so the tears will stop. My cheeks are going to get raw. So much pain out there. Big hugs.
    thanks Kat. back at ya.

    there is an old saying that i am reminded of. it goes something like "you only grow to the extent of the number of difficult conversations that you are willing to have." the leaders in this country have to have some difficult conversations or nothing is going to get better for anybody. 

    the fact that trump has not addressed the nation is inexcusable. he is not even going through the motions of being president.

    the opposite of love is indifference. and that dude is indifferent to anything other than his base and poll numbers.
    I don't want him to address the nation because he makes things worse. I want him to shut the fuck up.

  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,807
    RunIntoTheRain said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Kat said:
    You definitely aren't alone in that, gimme. Hang out here and help me be distracted so the tears will stop. My cheeks are going to get raw. So much pain out there. Big hugs.
    thanks Kat. back at ya.

    there is an old saying that i am reminded of. it goes something like "you only grow to the extent of the number of difficult conversations that you are willing to have." the leaders in this country have to have some difficult conversations or nothing is going to get better for anybody. 

    the fact that trump has not addressed the nation is inexcusable. he is not even going through the motions of being president.

    the opposite of love is indifference. and that dude is indifferent to anything other than his base and poll numbers.
    I don't want him to address the nation because he makes things worse. I want him to shut the fuck up.

    i agree, but other people want him to speak and he won't. his own advisors want him to speak.

    he can't even maintain the appearance that he gives a shit.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,024
    tbergs said:
    Ugh, this picture just kills me (those are beanbag and tear gas guns I believe for anyone thinking they are semi-auto rifles). Those are protestors; not rioters, not looters. They were violating the city imposed curfew yesterday that started at 8pm. The police are put in a shitty position and the protestors want their message to be heard. I get needing to curtail the violence and looting, but I wish there was an opportunity for those being peaceful to still be heard 24/7.
    Protesters were detained by the police in Minneapolis on Sunday
    I appreciate your post. Too many are just cop bashing right now. But they are out between a rock and a hard place. Some are over reacting, most are just trying to get through their shift.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    I hope he has a press conference without a prepared speech.  He will guarantee a Biden win if he is allowed to riff...
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,807
    rgambs said:
    I hope he has a press conference without a prepared speech.  He will guarantee a Biden win if he is allowed to riff...
    he will make it all about him.

    "nobody has been treated more unfairly than me."
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,807
    for a second, last night, with the flames in front of the white house and the outdoor lights turned off, i thought we were witnessing the end of a presidency in real time.

    then i remembered we have not had a president for 3.5 years.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,760
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    all i know is i am having  a very hard time not feeling angry or sad. even for just a few minutes. i am trying to stay distracted and it seems to be helping somewhat.

    Hang in there, big guy.  I hear you.   Like most of us, my emotions run the gamut from anger to sadness to tear filled sorrow.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,678
    RunIntoTheRain said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Kat said:
    You definitely aren't alone in that, gimme. Hang out here and help me be distracted so the tears will stop. My cheeks are going to get raw. So much pain out there. Big hugs.
    thanks Kat. back at ya.

    there is an old saying that i am reminded of. it goes something like "you only grow to the extent of the number of difficult conversations that you are willing to have." the leaders in this country have to have some difficult conversations or nothing is going to get better for anybody. 

    the fact that trump has not addressed the nation is inexcusable. he is not even going through the motions of being president.

    the opposite of love is indifference. and that dude is indifferent to anything other than his base and poll numbers.
    I don't want him to address the nation because he makes things worse. I want him to shut the fuck up.


    I honestly don't care either way...but the fact that we have a president incapable of doing what all previous presidents in my memory (back to Reagan) have done: try to bring the country together and offer some somewhat comforting words is really telling.  But, when you rely on having domestic enemies, this is how it goes...
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  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    mace1229 said:
    tbergs said:
    Ugh, this picture just kills me (those are beanbag and tear gas guns I believe for anyone thinking they are semi-auto rifles). Those are protestors; not rioters, not looters. They were violating the city imposed curfew yesterday that started at 8pm. The police are put in a shitty position and the protestors want their message to be heard. I get needing to curtail the violence and looting, but I wish there was an opportunity for those being peaceful to still be heard 24/7.
    Protesters were detained by the police in Minneapolis on Sunday
    I appreciate your post. Too many are just cop bashing right now. But they are out between a rock and a hard place. Some are over reacting, most are just trying to get through their shift.
    Peaceful protests are getting teargassed and maced as we speak right now. Take a look what is going on in Philly this second. That is not between a rock and a hard place imo. That is stoking violence and more unrest. At night past curfew is a different ballgame but I have seen way too many videos the last couple of days of peaceful protesters and media being beaten, shot at (non lethal), and maced with other cops just watching. I assume the cops that stand there watching are the good cops you are talking about trying to get through their shift. Until we get to a day where the good cops police the bad cops we are going to be on an endless loop with this shit. 

    I respect police and know they have a tough job with split second decisions and their life is on the line every time they start their shift. They did however sign up for that job and I would hope through training and leadership that some kind of change could happen with how they conduct their business. 


  • wndowpayne
    wndowpayne Posts: 1,469
    I'm honestly really glad we have people that want to be cops..Tough job for not enough pay.There are plenty of good ones out there.
    Charlottesville 2013
    Hampton 2016

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,760
    I haven't been able to verify this, but someone told me they had read that in cities where the cops are in support of the protesters, there is little or no violence.  Anyone else here heard that/ have  a link with related info?
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,959
    It’s all just very sad. I hate the lumping all cops together though that is done too often.  And I’d really like to see how some around here would handle themselves in these situations.

    Clearly some are out of control and shouldn’t be cops anymore. But it’s not all or even most. I wish the protests had remained protests. 

    hippiemom = goodness
  • wndowpayne
    wndowpayne Posts: 1,469
    I remember the 92 riots and we are headed that way.  I feel for the guy that has to defend this guy if it goes to trial.
    Charlottesville 2013
    Hampton 2016

  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,024
    edited June 2020
    PJNB said:
    mace1229 said:
    tbergs said:
    Ugh, this picture just kills me (those are beanbag and tear gas guns I believe for anyone thinking they are semi-auto rifles). Those are protestors; not rioters, not looters. They were violating the city imposed curfew yesterday that started at 8pm. The police are put in a shitty position and the protestors want their message to be heard. I get needing to curtail the violence and looting, but I wish there was an opportunity for those being peaceful to still be heard 24/7.
    Protesters were detained by the police in Minneapolis on Sunday
    I appreciate your post. Too many are just cop bashing right now. But they are out between a rock and a hard place. Some are over reacting, most are just trying to get through their shift.
    Peaceful protests are getting teargassed and maced as we speak right now. Take a look what is going on in Philly this second. That is not between a rock and a hard place imo. That is stoking violence and more unrest. At night past curfew is a different ballgame but I have seen way too many videos the last couple of days of peaceful protesters and media being beaten, shot at (non lethal), and maced with other cops just watching. I assume the cops that stand there watching are the good cops you are talking about trying to get through their shift. Until we get to a day where the good cops police the bad cops we are going to be on an endless loop with this shit. 

    I respect police and know they have a tough job with split second decisions and their life is on the line every time they start their shift. They did however sign up for that job and I would hope through training and leadership that some kind of change could happen with how they conduct their business. 


    Haven’t really watched tv yet today. But the last 3 or 4 days every situation like you described had rocks and water bottles being thrown at the cops. Or a few cases where they were trying to move a crowd or clear a road. I’m sure there was unnecessary use of gas with all the chaos, but it looks like most of it was justified.

    I did see a cop shoot a paint gun at people for standing on their porch, that was stupid. 
  • RunIntoTheRain
    RunIntoTheRain Texas Posts: 1,033
    Please apply critical thinking to things you see/read on the internet. Be curious. Fact check. Source things from more than one place. Also, keep an open mind. If you wear glasses with a certain color tint, things will look that color.
  • wndowpayne
    wndowpayne Posts: 1,469
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    rgambs said:
    I hope he has a press conference without a prepared speech.  He will guarantee a Biden win if he is allowed to riff...
    he will make it all about him.

    "nobody has been treated more unfairly than me."

    They are really pushing back protesters at the WH right now.. He will use that as an example of how to tame a crowd.
    Charlottesville 2013
    Hampton 2016

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