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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,538
    bbiggs said:
    I did not read through the CDC or Reddit links above, but am I hearing this correctly, that red states could potentially be calling Covid related deaths pneumonia deaths to lower the numbers?  On the other hand, blue states are also being accused of calling all sorts of deaths Covid related to pump up the numbers.  Top on the fact that the CDC has already shown a propensity to grossly mishandle testing data (virus and antibody tests intertwined) and this has the making of a royal shit show.  Who knows what to believe anymore. 
    Convenient how all that lines up, right? The reality is almost every state is struggling with aspects of reporting. Since this, too, is completely politicized it's easier for those people to just spout conspiracy theories when the numbers don't align with their priors. 
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    edited May 2020
    brianlux said:
    bbiggs said:
    brianlux said:
    Much as I don't like going out, we needed some things from Home Depot.  So off we went with masks and hand sanitizer, hoping others there were doing the same thing.  Nope.  Somewhere around 20%, besides us, had masks.  Disappointing!  Glad to be home and  washed up.  The things we got were either set out in the sun to kill germs or rubbed down with alcohol and brought in.  Glad to have that job done.
    20%?!  Damn.  Why do people make it so hard?  Just put the mask on when indoors in a public place.  That's not so much to ask.  Life has to go on with necessary precautions.  Too bad a large handful of people can't just follow the rules, which increases risk for everyone who does.  Put on a mask and a large percentage of the problems are solved.


    Exactly!  I wasn't directly rude to any of these people but when I saw someone with a mask on I said out loud, "Smart man!" or "Smart lady!" and when I passed (but not close) someone without one (most people) I said very quietly, "Idiot".  My wife didn't nudge me, so I know none of them heard me, but it sure is how I felt.  
    My mom saw an older masked gentleman get into a fight with a young maskless couple because he said something to them about it. 

    We’re not going to stores (delivery has been a lifesaver) but if I’m out for a walk and see someone near me, I just move away and go on my way. I don’t want to deal with idiots, let alone angry ones. 
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    pjl44 said:
    bbiggs said:
    I did not read through the CDC or Reddit links above, but am I hearing this correctly, that red states could potentially be calling Covid related deaths pneumonia deaths to lower the numbers?  On the other hand, blue states are also being accused of calling all sorts of deaths Covid related to pump up the numbers.  Top on the fact that the CDC has already shown a propensity to grossly mishandle testing data (virus and antibody tests intertwined) and this has the making of a royal shit show.  Who knows what to believe anymore. 
    Convenient how all that lines up, right? The reality is almost every state is struggling with aspects of reporting. Since this, too, is completely politicized it's easier for those people to just spout conspiracy theories when the numbers don't align with their priors. 
    There is a possible motive behind underreporting. I really dont see any upside for any state to over report.

    Regardless, when all this settles out I'm confident that we will find out that states have been drastically underreporting how many people have died from covid. Blue and red, intentionally or not.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Much as I don't like going out, we needed some things from Home Depot.  So off we went with masks and hand sanitizer, hoping others there were doing the same thing.  Nope.  Somewhere around 20%, besides us, had masks.  Disappointing!  Glad to be home and  washed up.  The things we got were either set out in the sun to kill germs or rubbed down with alcohol and brought in.  Glad to have that job done.
    So I gotta ask, why off “we” went?

    I only ask because as I am concerned we never go together. Only 1 person in and out 

    Neither my wife nor I go out very often and when we do it's almost always just one or the other.  This was an unusual exception- she needed supplies related to the bookstore and I needed supplies related to a project at home that I am doing.   I can't remember another time we both went into a store together.  We figured that this being a week day and our Home Depot having very wide isles, it would be OK.   But just OK- I'm not at all thrilled with going in public. 

    But good point- very good point.  I would recommend as often as possible just one person going out.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,648
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    no new cases in manitoba in several days, 7 deaths total. phase two of opening back up june 1. bars and restaurants at 50% capacity, swimming pools and gyms, etc.

    i'm probably still going to work from home until mid-fall, which is fucking fantastic. (serious). i love this. spinning vinyl while i work, having lunch with my kids on the patio. zero commute. roll out of bed 30 seconds before work. this is the best ever. no annoying corporate bullshit to deal with every day. no interruptions or drama. MY OWN BATHROOM. 

    i could really get used to this on a permanent basis. 
    Nice!
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,648
    hedonist said:
    brianlux said:
    bbiggs said:
    brianlux said:
    Much as I don't like going out, we needed some things from Home Depot.  So off we went with masks and hand sanitizer, hoping others there were doing the same thing.  Nope.  Somewhere around 20%, besides us, had masks.  Disappointing!  Glad to be home and  washed up.  The things we got were either set out in the sun to kill germs or rubbed down with alcohol and brought in.  Glad to have that job done.
    20%?!  Damn.  Why do people make it so hard?  Just put the mask on when indoors in a public place.  That's not so much to ask.  Life has to go on with necessary precautions.  Too bad a large handful of people can't just follow the rules, which increases risk for everyone who does.  Put on a mask and a large percentage of the problems are solved.


    Exactly!  I wasn't directly rude to any of these people but when I saw someone with a mask on I said out loud, "Smart man!" or "Smart lady!" and when I passed (but not close) someone without one (most people) I said very quietly, "Idiot".  My wife didn't nudge me, so I know none of them heard me, but it sure is how I felt.  
    My mom saw an older masked gentleman get into a fight with a young maskless couple because he said something to them about it. 

    We’re not going to stores (delivery has been a lifesaver) but if I’m out for a walk and see someone near me, I just move away and go on my way. I don’t want to deal with idiots, let alone angry ones. 
    Yep us too when we’re out for walking ..
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,538
    dignin said:
    pjl44 said:
    bbiggs said:
    I did not read through the CDC or Reddit links above, but am I hearing this correctly, that red states could potentially be calling Covid related deaths pneumonia deaths to lower the numbers?  On the other hand, blue states are also being accused of calling all sorts of deaths Covid related to pump up the numbers.  Top on the fact that the CDC has already shown a propensity to grossly mishandle testing data (virus and antibody tests intertwined) and this has the making of a royal shit show.  Who knows what to believe anymore. 
    Convenient how all that lines up, right? The reality is almost every state is struggling with aspects of reporting. Since this, too, is completely politicized it's easier for those people to just spout conspiracy theories when the numbers don't align with their priors. 
    There is a possible motive behind underreporting. I really dont see any upside for any state to over report.

    Regardless, when all this settles out I'm confident that we will find out that states have been drastically underreporting how many people have died from covid. Blue and red, intentionally or not.
    I agree with your second paragraph 100%. There will inevitably be a couple stories of actual fuckery, but overwhelmingly the reasons will range from incompetence to "there is always problems with this sort of reporting - we just don't notice until we're in a pandemic."
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,538
    Here's another installment of PPE Grift Stories. This shit makes my blood boil.

    https://www.propublica.org/article/masks-sold-by-former-white-house-official-to-najavo-hospitals-dont-meet-fda-standards/amp?__twitter_impression=true
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    elvistheking44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    wndowpayne said:
    bbiggs said:
    wndowpayne said:
    Mandatory masks inside now in Va..This is going to really piss off some idiots..
    If it’s anything like IL, you’ll still get some tough guys that go mask free to prove a point. 

    With a pistol on the hip..
    It's interesting where I live.  Im in Henrico,  right on the border with Hanover.  If you know VA, you'll know henrico is urban and Hanover is mostly rural,  but suburban where 295 and 95 meet on the north end.   
    I was in Lowes in Henrico on Sunday and masks were 85% easy.   I drove to Home Depot in Hanover,  right at 295 and 95 and it was probably 20% masks.  It was amazing how different it was only 15 minutes apart,  but the Hanover area draws in the rural residents. 
    I’m headed to Richmond to pick up my sons dorm room items from Chicago next week. I’m so curious how this road trip will go. Not real excited about finding hotels on the road but it is what it is I guess.
    Richmond is closed!  The city is dealing with it more cautiously than the counties even though Richmond numbers are low.  Where are you headed?  VCU, UR?
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,309
    I saw some TV reporter shaming a passerby for not wearing a mask during a live shoot ... and the passerby promptly noted that the cameraman and half the camera crew were not wearing masks ... and the dejected anchor just stared at the ground and muttered that indeed the cameraman was not wearing a mask.

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  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    There is dumb and there is Bama dumb


  • MissPennyLane
    MissPennyLane Redondo Beach, CA Posts: 687
    edited May 2020
    Smellyman said:
    There is dumb and there is Bama dumb




    This made me laugh. I've been to the gulf shores twice and all I can say is roll damn tide 😂😂😂
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Smellyman said:
    There is dumb and there is Bama dumb



    Tell 'em, Neil.

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,479
    Cases shooting back up in Sweden.

    ... here we gooo
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • elvistheking44
    elvistheking44 Posts: 4,542
    mrussel1 said:
    elvistheking44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    wndowpayne said:
    bbiggs said:
    wndowpayne said:
    Mandatory masks inside now in Va..This is going to really piss off some idiots..
    If it’s anything like IL, you’ll still get some tough guys that go mask free to prove a point. 

    With a pistol on the hip..
    It's interesting where I live.  Im in Henrico,  right on the border with Hanover.  If you know VA, you'll know henrico is urban and Hanover is mostly rural,  but suburban where 295 and 95 meet on the north end.   
    I was in Lowes in Henrico on Sunday and masks were 85% easy.   I drove to Home Depot in Hanover,  right at 295 and 95 and it was probably 20% masks.  It was amazing how different it was only 15 minutes apart,  but the Hanover area draws in the rural residents. 
    I’m headed to Richmond to pick up my sons dorm room items from Chicago next week. I’m so curious how this road trip will go. Not real excited about finding hotels on the road but it is what it is I guess.
    Richmond is closed!  The city is dealing with it more cautiously than the counties even though Richmond numbers are low.  Where are you headed?  VCU, UR?
    UR. We have a specific time slot to be on campus for two hours. We’re driving from Chicago we were gonna stay in West Virginia over night before entering Virginia. Probably won’t spend any more time in the state than needed. Not excited at all.
  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Cases shooting back up in Sweden.

    ... here we gooo
    Is testing a lot more too or the same?
  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    Up to 80% of Covid infections are asymptomatic a new report suggests.  Very small sample size, but this is significant.  It would suggest that the number of people that have been infected is WAY higher than thought.  It would also suggest that it is less deadly than originally thought, based on a large number of unreported cases.



  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,479
    PJNB said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Cases shooting back up in Sweden.

    ... here we gooo
    Is testing a lot more too or the same?
    There are problems with getting testing going, and people blame eachother - I think the capacity ius 100.000 tests a week but there are only 30.000 happening. 

    But hospitals are seeing more people coming in with corona. So it's not because of more testing. But, people are filling up more hospital beds than a few weeks ago. 

    So, I guess it's people became more lax when the sun came out.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mickeyrat
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     https://time.com/5840208/brazil-coronavirus/?utm_source=pocket-newtab

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  • Spunkie
    Spunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 7,095
    edited May 2020
    Sorry to hear that, Mr. SC. I was thinking it would all even out in the end at 80% community immunity eventually.

    Mr.NB, do you think there are more cases than reported where you live? Dr. Henri, in BC, said at first that most people wouldn't need testing, they would just stay home with mild symptoms. With such low numbers in my province, I wonder if there is much more prevalence? The Ministry of Health and Education are both saying it is safe for kids to go back to class. 

    Prime Minister Justin Trudeau will cohost a major United Nations conference Thusday aimed at developing a co-ordinated global response to mitigate the devastating social and economic impacts of the COVID-19 pandemic.
    Trudeau is cohosting the four-hour virtual conference with UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres and Jamaican Prime Minister Andrew Holness. You can watch it here.
    • Expanding liquidity in the global economy and maintaining financial stability.
    • Addressing debt vulnerability for developing countries "to save lives and livelihoods for billions of people around the world."
    • Involving private sector creditors in recovery plans.
    • Enhancing external financing for inclusive growth and job creation.
    • Preventing illicit off-shore financial holdings and money laundering that siphon off trillions of dollars needed for rebuilding economies.
    • Aligning recovery policies with sustainable development goals.

    The conference comes just as Canada is competing for one of two non-permanent seats on the UN Security Council next month against Norway and Ireland.

    The UN vote is set for next month, and Canada is running on a platform of trying to help rebuild the post-pandemic world.

     Source: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-un-summit-1.5587961


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