new crazy restrictions in manitoba effective tomorrow. no one allowed in your house if they don't live there, with some exceptions (health care, child care, etc). stores only allowed to sell essentials. all other items are to be removed from shelves by saturday open. no outdoor gatherings of more than 5. ticket of $298 for not wearing a mask inside.
I don’t get stores only selling essentials. Does covid attach more to non essential items?
no, they just don't want anyone going to the store unless it is expressly for essentials. taking away non-essentials takes away many of the customers coming to get stuff they don't necessarily need at the moment.
cabela's worked around that restriction previously by starting to sell propane when they weren't before, because hey, everyone needs a new tent a bowie knife during a pandemic, right?
I'm definitely not a fan of those types of lockdowns. I can go into home depot or costco with 200 people but I cant go into a little mom and pop store? Dumb as hell (we did this in new jersey for a few months). Mask up, wash hands and keep your distance.
Bingo. Simple. And who defines “essential?” Liquor stores that sell nothing but booze are essential but restaurants are closing by the dozen. Makes perfect sense.
It makes sense because you don't sit down and remain in the liquor store with your mask off for 45 - 60 mins drinking Schnapps unless your name is Otis Campbell. I agree, liquor stores and other big box stores staying open seems dumb, but technically they should be 100x safer than being seated in a crowded restaurant or drunk at the bar at 10pm. In MN they tracked the majority of community spread to bars, restaurants and gyms so they are getting closed.
It's unfortunate that this concept is lost on the general public. They need to drop the essential line from the description and just plainly say we haven't seen spread at these places so they stay open for now with increased restrictions on capacity and hours.
I hear ya but don't close those businesses down, limit them to 25-50% indoor capacity. I went out to dinner last week and tables were six feet apart.
That won't do much when you are there for an extended period sharing air though, and eating out is 100% non-essential. I'm over the "financial ruin" angle. I just don't have it in me to care if your non-essential business goes under when people are dropping dead and hospitals are about to be overflowing. Of course, the simple solution is that the government props those businesses up until they can drop restrictions, but there's no money available...unless it's for warmongering and helping profiteers, of course.
Whew! RGAMBS with a message I can believe in! Have you heard of Democratic Socialism...It's a lot less scary than advertised and would greatly help save people from situations just like this.
new crazy restrictions in manitoba effective tomorrow. no one allowed in your house if they don't live there, with some exceptions (health care, child care, etc). stores only allowed to sell essentials. all other items are to be removed from shelves by saturday open. no outdoor gatherings of more than 5. ticket of $298 for not wearing a mask inside.
I don’t get stores only selling essentials. Does covid attach more to non essential items?
no, they just don't want anyone going to the store unless it is expressly for essentials. taking away non-essentials takes away many of the customers coming to get stuff they don't necessarily need at the moment.
cabela's worked around that restriction previously by starting to sell propane when they weren't before, because hey, everyone needs a new tent a bowie knife during a pandemic, right?
I'm definitely not a fan of those types of lockdowns. I can go into home depot or costco with 200 people but I cant go into a little mom and pop store? Dumb as hell (we did this in new jersey for a few months). Mask up, wash hands and keep your distance.
Bingo. Simple. And who defines “essential?” Liquor stores that sell nothing but booze are essential but restaurants are closing by the dozen. Makes perfect sense.
It makes sense because you don't sit down and remain in the liquor store with your mask off for 45 - 60 mins drinking Schnapps unless your name is Otis Campbell. I agree, liquor stores and other big box stores staying open seems dumb, but technically they should be 100x safer than being seated in a crowded restaurant or drunk at the bar at 10pm. In MN they tracked the majority of community spread to bars, restaurants and gyms so they are getting closed.
It's unfortunate that this concept is lost on the general public. They need to drop the essential line from the description and just plainly say we haven't seen spread at these places so they stay open for now with increased restrictions on capacity and hours.
I don't disagree with any of what you're saying. I have dined inside a restaurant exactly zero times since March. I've dined outside a handful of times though and get takeout to try and support local small businesses. For IL specifically, restaurants have seemed to be the scapegoat at every turn. The reason I say that is because gyms have remained open. Casinos have remained open (up until this week). At the same time, indoor dining has been banned, which in November equates to zero business because no one is dining outside. In my opinion, going to a gym where everyone is sharing equipment and breathing heavily would be far easier to transmit a virus than a restaurant. Now I fully agree that indoor bars are a problem, but I think a restaurant should be able to operate with limited capacity if gyms and casinos are deemed safe to do the same. I see the restaurants in Chicagoland dropping like flies and I really feel for them.
new crazy restrictions in manitoba effective tomorrow. no one allowed in your house if they don't live there, with some exceptions (health care, child care, etc). stores only allowed to sell essentials. all other items are to be removed from shelves by saturday open. no outdoor gatherings of more than 5. ticket of $298 for not wearing a mask inside.
I don’t get stores only selling essentials. Does covid attach more to non essential items?
no, they just don't want anyone going to the store unless it is expressly for essentials. taking away non-essentials takes away many of the customers coming to get stuff they don't necessarily need at the moment.
cabela's worked around that restriction previously by starting to sell propane when they weren't before, because hey, everyone needs a new tent a bowie knife during a pandemic, right?
I'm definitely not a fan of those types of lockdowns. I can go into home depot or costco with 200 people but I cant go into a little mom and pop store? Dumb as hell (we did this in new jersey for a few months). Mask up, wash hands and keep your distance.
Bingo. Simple. And who defines “essential?” Liquor stores that sell nothing but booze are essential but restaurants are closing by the dozen. Makes perfect sense.
It makes sense because you don't sit down and remain in the liquor store with your mask off for 45 - 60 mins drinking Schnapps unless your name is Otis Campbell. I agree, liquor stores and other big box stores staying open seems dumb, but technically they should be 100x safer than being seated in a crowded restaurant or drunk at the bar at 10pm. In MN they tracked the majority of community spread to bars, restaurants and gyms so they are getting closed.
It's unfortunate that this concept is lost on the general public. They need to drop the essential line from the description and just plainly say we haven't seen spread at these places so they stay open for now with increased restrictions on capacity and hours.
I hear ya but don't close those businesses down, limit them to 25-50% indoor capacity. I went out to dinner last week and tables were six feet apart.
That won't do much when you are there for an extended period sharing air though, and eating out is 100% non-essential. I'm over the "financial ruin" angle. I just don't have it in me to care if your non-essential business goes under when people are dropping dead and hospitals are about to be overflowing. Of course, the simple solution is that the government props those businesses up until they can drop restrictions, but there's no money available...unless it's for warmongering and helping profiteers, of course.
There s gotta to be a healthy medium. A bar can’t resemble spring break but it is unfair to completely shut it down since many people depend on that bar to earn wages. I think I have ate out maybe six times in the last two months and each restaurant limited you to 90 minutes when eating indoors. If businesses follow the rules then I don’t see why they can’t be open.
lack of means to enforce the rules is one thing that holds everything back. If the restaurant or business has no way to rein in people that are blatantly violating the rules, they can't truly make it safe for any of us. The other big thing is profits and surviving...Businesses are gonna bend the rules to hell and back to wring out every dollar they can without real financial assistance.
Since the first failed attempt people have been breaking the rules and bending them as far as they can, which got us here. Bad behavior isn't gonna go away because a few of us want to follow the rules so we can pretend life is normal at our favorite restaurant.
new crazy restrictions in manitoba effective tomorrow. no one allowed in your house if they don't live there, with some exceptions (health care, child care, etc). stores only allowed to sell essentials. all other items are to be removed from shelves by saturday open. no outdoor gatherings of more than 5. ticket of $298 for not wearing a mask inside.
I don’t get stores only selling essentials. Does covid attach more to non essential items?
no, they just don't want anyone going to the store unless it is expressly for essentials. taking away non-essentials takes away many of the customers coming to get stuff they don't necessarily need at the moment.
cabela's worked around that restriction previously by starting to sell propane when they weren't before, because hey, everyone needs a new tent a bowie knife during a pandemic, right?
I'm definitely not a fan of those types of lockdowns. I can go into home depot or costco with 200 people but I cant go into a little mom and pop store? Dumb as hell (we did this in new jersey for a few months). Mask up, wash hands and keep your distance.
Bingo. Simple. And who defines “essential?” Liquor stores that sell nothing but booze are essential but restaurants are closing by the dozen. Makes perfect sense.
It makes sense because you don't sit down and remain in the liquor store with your mask off for 45 - 60 mins drinking Schnapps unless your name is Otis Campbell. I agree, liquor stores and other big box stores staying open seems dumb, but technically they should be 100x safer than being seated in a crowded restaurant or drunk at the bar at 10pm. In MN they tracked the majority of community spread to bars, restaurants and gyms so they are getting closed.
It's unfortunate that this concept is lost on the general public. They need to drop the essential line from the description and just plainly say we haven't seen spread at these places so they stay open for now with increased restrictions on capacity and hours.
I hear ya but don't close those businesses down, limit them to 25-50% indoor capacity. I went out to dinner last week and tables were six feet apart.
That won't do much when you are there for an extended period sharing air though, and eating out is 100% non-essential. I'm over the "financial ruin" angle. I just don't have it in me to care if your non-essential business goes under when people are dropping dead and hospitals are about to be overflowing. Of course, the simple solution is that the government props those businesses up until they can drop restrictions, but there's no money available...unless it's for warmongering and helping profiteers, of course.
Do you feel the same way about gyms? They are sharing air for extended periods indoors, but have been determined to be essential to this point (in IL). No one is going to make me believe that it is safer in a gym where everyone is breathing like horses while running, lifting, etc. I've never breathed like that at a restaurant. My point is there is no logic to what makes the cut (again, in IL).
*And I'll add, that gym-goers are allowed to bring their masks down when at their machine or "station." Give me a break. Like they're in some sort of bubble or something.
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Gyms should not be open now anywhere there is a problem with The Rona, which is pretty much everywhere right now.
I am hugely unhappy with our California governor Newsom who, at the outset, was doing a very good job of leading us to be safe around the coronavirus but has now shown himself to by a hypocrite. I had questioned Hedonist's earlier diatribe against Newsom, but she had it right. It's really discouraging to see even some Democrat leaders dropping the ball on COVID like this. Very disappointing. This is the kind of thing that makes me suspicious of politicians in general. Not that there aren't good ones, but they are hard to find these days.
Gavin Newsom’s executive powers under scrutiny as he copes with French Laundry mistake
I tend to not talk out of my ass 🙄
It’s about imagery. Even his “apology” was disingenuous. He says he should’ve gotten in his car and driven back home. I call bullshit. The governor of California drove all the way there, just him and his wife? No security to accompany him, let alone to vet the place and number of attendees?
Yeah, I stand by my earlier assessment. He’s a useless POS liar.
Almost as disingenuous as apologizing for “getting set up” at a hair salon.
Lightfoot still has my favorite response of all. I'm on TV, I'm important and I care about my hygiene, so I need my hair cut.
She has an even better one. “They we’re going to gather whether I was there or not” when she was called out for bring in a group in the streets with zero social distancing. I’m paraphrasing. Speaking of Chicago, two iconic restaurants both announced they’re closing. Lawrys and Morton’s. Both have been staples since the 70’s. Plenty more to come.
I heard that one. I still think saying “I’m more important than you” is a much worse excuse for not following your own orders.
new crazy restrictions in manitoba effective tomorrow. no one allowed in your house if they don't live there, with some exceptions (health care, child care, etc). stores only allowed to sell essentials. all other items are to be removed from shelves by saturday open. no outdoor gatherings of more than 5. ticket of $298 for not wearing a mask inside.
I don’t get stores only selling essentials. Does covid attach more to non essential items?
no, they just don't want anyone going to the store unless it is expressly for essentials. taking away non-essentials takes away many of the customers coming to get stuff they don't necessarily need at the moment.
cabela's worked around that restriction previously by starting to sell propane when they weren't before, because hey, everyone needs a new tent a bowie knife during a pandemic, right?
That’s why I thought the lockdown was stupid. Seemed to me like no reason behind what was and was t allowed to stay open. Costco can because 10% of their merchandise is essential, but other big store like Bass Pro and Cabalas can’t unless hey find a propane loophole. But to me I find Cabalas as essential, they sell warm outdoor clothing. That’s pretty essential in Colorado and probably even more up there. Starbucks can stay open because everyone needs their $6 500 calorie morning latte, but a hobby store 10 times the size closes. The liquor store argument is dumb. I mean, if we’re really trying to limit the number of people going places, but your liquor when you go grocery shopping at the grocery store, and for a lot less money.
There really seemed like no rhyme or reason as to what was open. But I think they should all be, just reduce capacity, have hand sanitizer, space people out, etc
manitoba premier earlier today: "now don't go out and buy a head of lettuce and a colour tv!". LOL
Do you agree???
yep.
I like the essentials only. I never thought it was fair for the mom-and-pop clothing store...etc, had to close but Walmart and Costco, and others made big profits...I work in schools in Ontario. Are your schools closed?
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new crazy restrictions in manitoba effective tomorrow. no one allowed in your house if they don't live there, with some exceptions (health care, child care, etc). stores only allowed to sell essentials. all other items are to be removed from shelves by saturday open. no outdoor gatherings of more than 5. ticket of $298 for not wearing a mask inside.
I don’t get stores only selling essentials. Does covid attach more to non essential items?
no, they just don't want anyone going to the store unless it is expressly for essentials. taking away non-essentials takes away many of the customers coming to get stuff they don't necessarily need at the moment.
cabela's worked around that restriction previously by starting to sell propane when they weren't before, because hey, everyone needs a new tent a bowie knife during a pandemic, right?
That’s why I thought the lockdown was stupid. Seemed to me like no reason behind what was and was t allowed to stay open. Costco can because 10% of their merchandise is essential, but other big store like Bass Pro and Cabalas can’t unless hey find a propane loophole. But to me I find Cabalas as essential, they sell warm outdoor clothing. That’s pretty essential in Colorado and probably even more up there. Starbucks can stay open because everyone needs their $6 500 calorie morning latte, but a hobby store 10 times the size closes. The liquor store argument is dumb. I mean, if we’re really trying to limit the number of people going places, but your liquor when you go grocery shopping at the grocery store, and for a lot less money.
There really seemed like no rhyme or reason as to what was open. But I think they should all be, just reduce capacity, have hand sanitizer, space people out, etc
Your criticism of the health concern around stopping the booze sale is what is dumb. This is a real issue that real people would suffer from - and the people around the drunks would potentially be at risk, as well. Your suggested loophole also does not work - there are states where you cannot buy booze at grocery stores.
new crazy restrictions in manitoba effective tomorrow. no one allowed in your house if they don't live there, with some exceptions (health care, child care, etc). stores only allowed to sell essentials. all other items are to be removed from shelves by saturday open. no outdoor gatherings of more than 5. ticket of $298 for not wearing a mask inside.
I don’t get stores only selling essentials. Does covid attach more to non essential items?
no, they just don't want anyone going to the store unless it is expressly for essentials. taking away non-essentials takes away many of the customers coming to get stuff they don't necessarily need at the moment.
cabela's worked around that restriction previously by starting to sell propane when they weren't before, because hey, everyone needs a new tent a bowie knife during a pandemic, right?
That’s why I thought the lockdown was stupid. Seemed to me like no reason behind what was and was t allowed to stay open. Costco can because 10% of their merchandise is essential, but other big store like Bass Pro and Cabalas can’t unless hey find a propane loophole. But to me I find Cabalas as essential, they sell warm outdoor clothing. That’s pretty essential in Colorado and probably even more up there. Starbucks can stay open because everyone needs their $6 500 calorie morning latte, but a hobby store 10 times the size closes. The liquor store argument is dumb. I mean, if we’re really trying to limit the number of people going places, but your liquor when you go grocery shopping at the grocery store, and for a lot less money.
There really seemed like no rhyme or reason as to what was open. But I think they should all be, just reduce capacity, have hand sanitizer, space people out, etc
Your criticism of the health concern around stopping the booze sale is what is dumb. This is a real issue that real people would suffer from - and the people around the drunks would potentially be at risk, as well. Your suggested loophole also does not work - there are states where you cannot buy booze at grocery stores.
Yes, there are some states where booze is not sold on big stores. Most do. But okay, those can be exceptions. I didn’t criticize the health concern around addicts. My point was, if you are truly trying to limit the number of people indoors and crowded spaces, why not have people buy their alcohol in a large store with more open space, where they already go to buy groceries anyway? So Instead you’re asking them to go to a second, smaller and probably more crowded store, to buy their alcohol. Too many places are considered essential. A full lockdown is really only about a 25% lockdown. It just seems contradictory to me to say “hey everyone, stay at home unless absolutely necessary, and only go out as few times as possible to as few places as possible when you absolutely have to.” Then say “well you can buy your food and alcohol together here in one stop, but why don’t you just make a separate stop to your favorite corner liquor mart instead.” It’s almost like you’re not just trying to cater to an addict’s needs, but that they are exempt from any inconvenience that the rest of us experience. In a full lockdown most places were still open unless it was a record store or nail salon (obviously I’m exaggerating, but a large number of stores were allowed to remain open). If you’re going to lock down then lock down. Don’t half-ass it so 75% of stores can find an excuse to stay open because they threw a roll of toilet paper on the shelf. And in that scenario I think a lockdown is pointless, so I would prefer just strict guidelines instead.
new crazy restrictions in manitoba effective tomorrow. no one allowed in your house if they don't live there, with some exceptions (health care, child care, etc). stores only allowed to sell essentials. all other items are to be removed from shelves by saturday open. no outdoor gatherings of more than 5. ticket of $298 for not wearing a mask inside.
I don’t get stores only selling essentials. Does covid attach more to non essential items?
no, they just don't want anyone going to the store unless it is expressly for essentials. taking away non-essentials takes away many of the customers coming to get stuff they don't necessarily need at the moment.
cabela's worked around that restriction previously by starting to sell propane when they weren't before, because hey, everyone needs a new tent a bowie knife during a pandemic, right?
That’s why I thought the lockdown was stupid. Seemed to me like no reason behind what was and was t allowed to stay open. Costco can because 10% of their merchandise is essential, but other big store like Bass Pro and Cabalas can’t unless hey find a propane loophole. But to me I find Cabalas as essential, they sell warm outdoor clothing. That’s pretty essential in Colorado and probably even more up there. Starbucks can stay open because everyone needs their $6 500 calorie morning latte, but a hobby store 10 times the size closes. The liquor store argument is dumb. I mean, if we’re really trying to limit the number of people going places, but your liquor when you go grocery shopping at the grocery store, and for a lot less money.
There really seemed like no rhyme or reason as to what was open. But I think they should all be, just reduce capacity, have hand sanitizer, space people out, etc
Your criticism of the health concern around stopping the booze sale is what is dumb. This is a real issue that real people would suffer from - and the people around the drunks would potentially be at risk, as well. Your suggested loophole also does not work - there are states where you cannot buy booze at grocery stores.
Yes, there are some states where booze is not sold on big stores. Most do. But okay, those can be exceptions. I didn’t criticize the health concern around addicts. My point was, if you are truly trying to limit the number of people indoors and crowded spaces, why not have people buy their alcohol in a large store with more open space, where they already go to buy groceries anyway? So Instead you’re asking them to go to a second, smaller and probably more crowded store, to buy their alcohol. Too many places are considered essential. A full lockdown is really only about a 25% lockdown. It just seems contradictory to me to say “hey everyone, stay at home unless absolutely necessary, and only go out as few times as possible to as few places as possible when you absolutely have to.” Then say “well you can buy your food and alcohol together here in one stop, but why don’t you just make a separate stop to your favorite corner liquor mart instead.” It’s almost like you’re not just trying to cater to an addict’s needs, but that they are exempt from any inconvenience that the rest of us experience. In a full lockdown most places were still open unless it was a record store or nail salon (obviously I’m exaggerating, but a large number of stores were allowed to remain open). If you’re going to lock down then lock down. Don’t half-ass it so 75% of stores can find an excuse to stay open because they threw a roll of toilet paper on the shelf. And in that scenario I think a lockdown is pointless, so I would prefer just strict guidelines instead.
People will not follow guidelines and most businesses have no grounds, legally, to enforce policies in the manner which might prove them useful.
The Sacramento Sheriff came out and said, flatly, that they have no intention of supporting the restrictions CA just announced in their jurisdiction. How in the heck are the stores meant to do this?
You are pulling numbers from thin air with your "25% lockdown" and "75% of stores can stay open."
From a webinar I participated in yesterday (retail is my business, we supports thousands of locations in North America and I work on a daily basis with Retail Operations and IT Executives) the update is pretty damn bleak for the larger population of retail sellers worldwide, but specifically in the US. If a lockdown happens experts expect to lose another 400-500k retail businesses.
Also...a snapshot of what year over year numbers look like across US retail segments:
There is (as always) a lot of information to unpack in slides like these, but the point is that everyone is getting kicked with the exception of e-tailers, grocers, mass merchants/club stores, and hard goods (HD, Lowes, Dick's, stores like that).
Guess how many of those types are in your malls? Almost none. 25/75 split you posed is way off.
This is a subject I could type about for a long time -- and I also would love for there to be a way to avoid lock-downs -- but the idea that we just need to put rules in place is not a sound one. Americans will not follow rules. People are dying.
IMO, the govt needs to take drastic measures to support the people, and the businesses that are suffering, at the same time as conduct lock-downs in the hot spots.
Leaving it willy-nilly is our worst possible approach. Better to do nothing and all cram on the roller coaster to hell, together.
new crazy restrictions in manitoba effective tomorrow. no one allowed in your house if they don't live there, with some exceptions (health care, child care, etc). stores only allowed to sell essentials. all other items are to be removed from shelves by saturday open. no outdoor gatherings of more than 5. ticket of $298 for not wearing a mask inside.
I don’t get stores only selling essentials. Does covid attach more to non essential items?
no, they just don't want anyone going to the store unless it is expressly for essentials. taking away non-essentials takes away many of the customers coming to get stuff they don't necessarily need at the moment.
cabela's worked around that restriction previously by starting to sell propane when they weren't before, because hey, everyone needs a new tent a bowie knife during a pandemic, right?
That’s why I thought the lockdown was stupid. Seemed to me like no reason behind what was and was t allowed to stay open. Costco can because 10% of their merchandise is essential, but other big store like Bass Pro and Cabalas can’t unless hey find a propane loophole. But to me I find Cabalas as essential, they sell warm outdoor clothing. That’s pretty essential in Colorado and probably even more up there. Starbucks can stay open because everyone needs their $6 500 calorie morning latte, but a hobby store 10 times the size closes. The liquor store argument is dumb. I mean, if we’re really trying to limit the number of people going places, but your liquor when you go grocery shopping at the grocery store, and for a lot less money.
There really seemed like no rhyme or reason as to what was open. But I think they should all be, just reduce capacity, have hand sanitizer, space people out, etc
Liquor stores in my area of Southern Illinois have drive up windows, so we don't even need to get out of the car to purchase. I have always thought it was weird to have them this way, but in this scenario I guess it works out.
new crazy restrictions in manitoba effective tomorrow. no one allowed in your house if they don't live there, with some exceptions (health care, child care, etc). stores only allowed to sell essentials. all other items are to be removed from shelves by saturday open. no outdoor gatherings of more than 5. ticket of $298 for not wearing a mask inside.
I don’t get stores only selling essentials. Does covid attach more to non essential items?
no, they just don't want anyone going to the store unless it is expressly for essentials. taking away non-essentials takes away many of the customers coming to get stuff they don't necessarily need at the moment.
cabela's worked around that restriction previously by starting to sell propane when they weren't before, because hey, everyone needs a new tent a bowie knife during a pandemic, right?
That’s why I thought the lockdown was stupid. Seemed to me like no reason behind what was and was t allowed to stay open. Costco can because 10% of their merchandise is essential, but other big store like Bass Pro and Cabalas can’t unless hey find a propane loophole. But to me I find Cabalas as essential, they sell warm outdoor clothing. That’s pretty essential in Colorado and probably even more up there. Starbucks can stay open because everyone needs their $6 500 calorie morning latte, but a hobby store 10 times the size closes. The liquor store argument is dumb. I mean, if we’re really trying to limit the number of people going places, but your liquor when you go grocery shopping at the grocery store, and for a lot less money.
There really seemed like no rhyme or reason as to what was open. But I think they should all be, just reduce capacity, have hand sanitizer, space people out, etc
Can't buy liquor at the grocery store here.
i think the lockdown was a work in progress. this hasn't ever been done before in modern times, so the government and health authorities were learning as they went what worked, what didn't, what the public will tolerate and what they won't, and the risk/reward of each. not only that, but what businesses were willing to do to stay open.
part of this lockdown that takes effect today is yes, winter clothing is allowed to be sold as well as underwear, but nothing else i don't think.
the point of this lockdown is to reduce contacts. you close shit, people just won't go out. we have too many cases where contact tracing is impossible, which is a major factor in controlling the spread. and when tracing has been possible, people have had 50 contacts or more. that is just way too much and contributes to the exponential spread.
it just sucks for most of us who are only going out for essentials already. but you have to cater to the stupid and irresponsible out there, and it's so frustrating.
manitoba premier earlier today: "now don't go out and buy a head of lettuce and a colour tv!". LOL
Do you agree???
yep.
I like the essentials only. I never thought it was fair for the mom-and-pop clothing store...etc, had to close but Walmart and Costco, and others made big profits...I work in schools in Ontario. Are your schools closed?
not yet. my high schooler goes half days, my elementary schooler goes full days. virtually no spread in the schools in winnipeg so far, which just shows to me it's the adults that are the real problem.
new crazy restrictions in manitoba effective tomorrow. no one allowed in your house if they don't live there, with some exceptions (health care, child care, etc). stores only allowed to sell essentials. all other items are to be removed from shelves by saturday open. no outdoor gatherings of more than 5. ticket of $298 for not wearing a mask inside.
That's going to put a pinch on places (if you have them) like Dollar Tree, Big Lots and Walmart that sell 90% crap in the first place. I wonder how well they will be able to enforce all those restriction?
hey Brian, reading through these posts it appears we are neighbors, I grew up in El Dorado County, walked through Main St everyday on my way home from school. I currently live in Orangevale, sadly I think El Dorado County might end up being the COVID hotspot of Northern California soon. From the attitudes of friends and family up there to the blatant disregard for the stricter measures being put in place. Even by El Dorado County standards I thought the Sheriff's response to the curfew was misguided and reckless. Read a few of those comments and you kind of know where the majority of residents stand. Glad we have someone with common sense like yourself up there. Take care and good luck!
new crazy restrictions in manitoba effective tomorrow. no one allowed in your house if they don't live there, with some exceptions (health care, child care, etc). stores only allowed to sell essentials. all other items are to be removed from shelves by saturday open. no outdoor gatherings of more than 5. ticket of $298 for not wearing a mask inside.
I don’t get stores only selling essentials. Does covid attach more to non essential items?
no, they just don't want anyone going to the store unless it is expressly for essentials. taking away non-essentials takes away many of the customers coming to get stuff they don't necessarily need at the moment.
cabela's worked around that restriction previously by starting to sell propane when they weren't before, because hey, everyone needs a new tent a bowie knife during a pandemic, right?
That’s why I thought the lockdown was stupid. Seemed to me like no reason behind what was and was t allowed to stay open. Costco can because 10% of their merchandise is essential, but other big store like Bass Pro and Cabalas can’t unless hey find a propane loophole. But to me I find Cabalas as essential, they sell warm outdoor clothing. That’s pretty essential in Colorado and probably even more up there. Starbucks can stay open because everyone needs their $6 500 calorie morning latte, but a hobby store 10 times the size closes. The liquor store argument is dumb. I mean, if we’re really trying to limit the number of people going places, but your liquor when you go grocery shopping at the grocery store, and for a lot less money.
There really seemed like no rhyme or reason as to what was open. But I think they should all be, just reduce capacity, have hand sanitizer, space people out, etc
Your criticism of the health concern around stopping the booze sale is what is dumb. This is a real issue that real people would suffer from - and the people around the drunks would potentially be at risk, as well. Your suggested loophole also does not work - there are states where you cannot buy booze at grocery stores.
Yes, there are some states where booze is not sold on big stores. Most do. But okay, those can be exceptions. I didn’t criticize the health concern around addicts. My point was, if you are truly trying to limit the number of people indoors and crowded spaces, why not have people buy their alcohol in a large store with more open space, where they already go to buy groceries anyway? So Instead you’re asking them to go to a second, smaller and probably more crowded store, to buy their alcohol. Too many places are considered essential. A full lockdown is really only about a 25% lockdown. It just seems contradictory to me to say “hey everyone, stay at home unless absolutely necessary, and only go out as few times as possible to as few places as possible when you absolutely have to.” Then say “well you can buy your food and alcohol together here in one stop, but why don’t you just make a separate stop to your favorite corner liquor mart instead.” It’s almost like you’re not just trying to cater to an addict’s needs, but that they are exempt from any inconvenience that the rest of us experience. In a full lockdown most places were still open unless it was a record store or nail salon (obviously I’m exaggerating, but a large number of stores were allowed to remain open). If you’re going to lock down then lock down. Don’t half-ass it so 75% of stores can find an excuse to stay open because they threw a roll of toilet paper on the shelf. And in that scenario I think a lockdown is pointless, so I would prefer just strict guidelines instead.
People will not follow guidelines and most businesses have no grounds, legally, to enforce policies in the manner which might prove them useful.
The Sacramento Sheriff came out and said, flatly, that they have no intention of supporting the restrictions CA just announced in their jurisdiction. How in the heck are the stores meant to do this?
You are pulling numbers from thin air with your "25% lockdown" and "75% of stores can stay open."
From a webinar I participated in yesterday (retail is my business, we supports thousands of locations in North America and I work on a daily basis with Retail Operations and IT Executives) the update is pretty damn bleak for the larger population of retail sellers worldwide, but specifically in the US. If a lockdown happens experts expect to lose another 400-500k retail businesses.
Also...a snapshot of what year over year numbers look like across US retail segments:
There is (as always) a lot of information to unpack in slides like these, but the point is that everyone is getting kicked with the exception of e-tailers, grocers, mass merchants/club stores, and hard goods (HD, Lowes, Dick's, stores like that).
Guess how many of those types are in your malls? Almost none. 25/75 split you posed is way off.
This is a subject I could type about for a long time -- and I also would love for there to be a way to avoid lock-downs -- but the idea that we just need to put rules in place is not a sound one. Americans will not follow rules. People are dying.
IMO, the govt needs to take drastic measures to support the people, and the businesses that are suffering, at the same time as conduct lock-downs in the hot spots.
Leaving it willy-nilly is our worst possible approach. Better to do nothing and all cram on the roller coaster to hell, together.
my 75/25 statement was a guess, I should have been clear about that. But malls? Most malls are closing or have been closed for years anyway, no one shops at malls anymore, and that has nothing to do with covid. Aren't mall retail stores a very small portion of stores today? The closest mall to my house is about 10 miles away and there's probably 10,000 stores between here and there, so I wouldn't put much consideration into how malls are doing in terms of the impact covid is having.
I still don't think my 75% guess is going to be far off. In the first lockdown streets were still crwoded, there was still traffic, when I drive by a strip mall most stores are still open from lock smiths to dry cleaners, cafes, auto parts and coffee shops. Even Sherwin Williams remained open. I guess a paint store is considered essential? And many stores that weren't essential still found a way to operate. The brew supply store had curbside pickup, you call, tell them what you want, they bring it your car and you hand them your credit card. Best Buy did the same thing. So with so many exceptions to the lockdown I just see it as pointless. You force a small portion of the community to sacrifice and potentially close their business for good for something that didnt even work the first time. The local sports store was closed because it wasn't practical to have a curb side business, but the Target next door was operating like normal because they sold toilet paper, toilet paper that was never in stock and sold out immediately mind you. So I'm just not in favor of these half-assed lock downs. Do it right or don't do it. With as many exceptions as we have it is pointless.
manitoba premier earlier today: "now don't go out and buy a head of lettuce and a colour tv!". LOL
Do you agree???
yep.
I like the essentials only. I never thought it was fair for the mom-and-pop clothing store...etc, had to close but Walmart and Costco, and others made big profits...I work in schools in Ontario. Are your schools closed?
not yet. my high schooler goes half days, my elementary schooler goes full days. virtually no spread in the schools in winnipeg so far, which just shows to me it's the adults that are the real problem.
I agree. Well, as long as the school had the $ to get prepared. My daughter's school has had probably 70% or more in school full days, 5 days a week from the beginning. It's a middle school, so only 2 grades but that is like 1400 kids. No in school transmission. I am super impressed with the school's leadership, the teachers and the kids. Was trying to talk about this before someone called me sexist and I got banned for reacting.
manitoba premier earlier today: "now don't go out and buy a head of lettuce and a colour tv!". LOL
Do you agree???
yep.
I like the essentials only. I never thought it was fair for the mom-and-pop clothing store...etc, had to close but Walmart and Costco, and others made big profits...I work in schools in Ontario. Are your schools closed?
not yet. my high schooler goes half days, my elementary schooler goes full days. virtually no spread in the schools in winnipeg so far, which just shows to me it's the adults that are the real problem.
I agree. Well, as long as the school had the $ to get prepared. My daughter's school has had probably 70% or more in school full days, 5 days a week from the beginning. It's a middle school, so only 2 grades but that is like 1400 kids. No in school transmission. I am super impressed with the school's leadership, the teachers and the kids. Was trying to talk about this before someone called me sexist and I got banned for reacting.
both my kids' schools are pretty small, so that's for sure a benefit.
new crazy restrictions in manitoba effective tomorrow. no one allowed in your house if they don't live there, with some exceptions (health care, child care, etc). stores only allowed to sell essentials. all other items are to be removed from shelves by saturday open. no outdoor gatherings of more than 5. ticket of $298 for not wearing a mask inside.
I don’t get stores only selling essentials. Does covid attach more to non essential items?
no, they just don't want anyone going to the store unless it is expressly for essentials. taking away non-essentials takes away many of the customers coming to get stuff they don't necessarily need at the moment.
cabela's worked around that restriction previously by starting to sell propane when they weren't before, because hey, everyone needs a new tent a bowie knife during a pandemic, right?
That’s why I thought the lockdown was stupid. Seemed to me like no reason behind what was and was t allowed to stay open. Costco can because 10% of their merchandise is essential, but other big store like Bass Pro and Cabalas can’t unless hey find a propane loophole. But to me I find Cabalas as essential, they sell warm outdoor clothing. That’s pretty essential in Colorado and probably even more up there. Starbucks can stay open because everyone needs their $6 500 calorie morning latte, but a hobby store 10 times the size closes. The liquor store argument is dumb. I mean, if we’re really trying to limit the number of people going places, but your liquor when you go grocery shopping at the grocery store, and for a lot less money.
There really seemed like no rhyme or reason as to what was open. But I think they should all be, just reduce capacity, have hand sanitizer, space people out, etc
Can't buy liquor at the grocery store here.
i think the lockdown was a work in progress. this hasn't ever been done before in modern times, so the government and health authorities were learning as they went what worked, what didn't, what the public will tolerate and what they won't, and the risk/reward of each. not only that, but what businesses were willing to do to stay open.
part of this lockdown that takes effect today is yes, winter clothing is allowed to be sold as well as underwear, but nothing else i don't think.
the point of this lockdown is to reduce contacts. you close shit, people just won't go out. we have too many cases where contact tracing is impossible, which is a major factor in controlling the spread. and when tracing has been possible, people have had 50 contacts or more. that is just way too much and contributes to the exponential spread.
it just sucks for most of us who are only going out for essentials already. but you have to cater to the stupid and irresponsible out there, and it's so frustrating.
I agree with that. My point is there are far too many exceptions and it becomes pointless and small shops suffer for something that has zero positive impact because of the wide number of exceptions that actually benefit some of the big chains.
manitoba premier earlier today: "now don't go out and buy a head of lettuce and a colour tv!". LOL
Do you agree???
yep.
I like the essentials only. I never thought it was fair for the mom-and-pop clothing store...etc, had to close but Walmart and Costco, and others made big profits...I work in schools in Ontario. Are your schools closed?
not yet. my high schooler goes half days, my elementary schooler goes full days. virtually no spread in the schools in winnipeg so far, which just shows to me it's the adults that are the real problem.
I agree. Well, as long as the school had the $ to get prepared. My daughter's school has had probably 70% or more in school full days, 5 days a week from the beginning. It's a middle school, so only 2 grades but that is like 1400 kids. No in school transmission. I am super impressed with the school's leadership, the teachers and the kids. Was trying to talk about this before someone called me sexist and I got banned for reacting.
That's amazing. Are they changing classes all day or have they found a way for the teachers to move around? Thanks to not having kids, I have the luxury to have no opinion on whether this is the correct thing to do, but either way, I'd say that the school, teachers, and kids (and parents) are killin' it. With an assist from Lady Luck.
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manitoba premier earlier today: "now don't go out and buy a head of lettuce and a colour tv!". LOL
Do you agree???
yep.
I like the essentials only. I never thought it was fair for the mom-and-pop clothing store...etc, had to close but Walmart and Costco, and others made big profits...I work in schools in Ontario. Are your schools closed?
not yet. my high schooler goes half days, my elementary schooler goes full days. virtually no spread in the schools in winnipeg so far, which just shows to me it's the adults that are the real problem.
Are kids getting randomly tested, or only when they have symptoms? Because aren't kids a lot more likely to be asymptomatic, and if you only test when there's symptoms you might not show kids are transmitting it when they are.
manitoba premier earlier today: "now don't go out and buy a head of lettuce and a colour tv!". LOL
Do you agree???
yep.
I like the essentials only. I never thought it was fair for the mom-and-pop clothing store...etc, had to close but Walmart and Costco, and others made big profits...I work in schools in Ontario. Are your schools closed?
not yet. my high schooler goes half days, my elementary schooler goes full days. virtually no spread in the schools in winnipeg so far, which just shows to me it's the adults that are the real problem.
I agree. Well, as long as the school had the $ to get prepared. My daughter's school has had probably 70% or more in school full days, 5 days a week from the beginning. It's a middle school, so only 2 grades but that is like 1400 kids. No in school transmission. I am super impressed with the school's leadership, the teachers and the kids. Was trying to talk about this before someone called me sexist and I got banned for reacting.
That's amazing. Are they changing classes all day or have they found a way for the teachers to move around? Thanks to not having kids, I have the luxury to have no opinion on whether this is the correct thing to do, but either way, I'd say that the school, teachers, and kids (and parents) are killin' it. With an assist from Lady Luck.
They move class to class. They have 1 way hallways and only specific times to go to locker. Everyone wears masks all day, except lunch. Lunch room has plastic barriers up but kids are like 3 feet apart and a couple kids within each barrier I think....but assigned seating (well they let the kids pick the first day and then made them stay). To create some pods. No transmission in school (as of now). And in reality, very few cases in that school. The high school (2x as big) has had zero transmission in class...but have had transmission from extra-curriculars (mostly football team...but those kids listen about as well as the parents do)
The school had a plan, executed it and has been communicating. I can be hard on the schools from time to time, but in this, they have been doing the best they can. I really appreciate the work they put into it. Yes some luck...but you can make some of your own luck.
manitoba premier earlier today: "now don't go out and buy a head of lettuce and a colour tv!". LOL
Do you agree???
yep.
I like the essentials only. I never thought it was fair for the mom-and-pop clothing store...etc, had to close but Walmart and Costco, and others made big profits...I work in schools in Ontario. Are your schools closed?
not yet. my high schooler goes half days, my elementary schooler goes full days. virtually no spread in the schools in winnipeg so far, which just shows to me it's the adults that are the real problem.
Are kids getting randomly tested, or only when they have symptoms? Because aren't kids a lot more likely to be asymptomatic, and if you only test when there's symptoms you might not show kids are transmitting it when they are.
no random testing. I hadn't heard that kids are more likely to be asymptomatic. I had heard they don't spread it as easily as adults, and that they don't yet know why.
and if the kids were transmitting it, you'd think they'd be transmitting it to their parents and they'd find out that way if the kid had it.
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Since the first failed attempt people have been breaking the rules and bending them as far as they can, which got us here. Bad behavior isn't gonna go away because a few of us want to follow the rules so we can pretend life is normal at our favorite restaurant.
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Starbucks can stay open because everyone needs their $6 500 calorie morning latte, but a hobby store 10 times the size closes. The liquor store argument is dumb. I mean, if we’re really trying to limit the number of people going places, but your liquor when you go grocery shopping at the grocery store, and for a lot less money.
Your suggested loophole also does not work - there are states where you cannot buy booze at grocery stores.
I didn’t criticize the health concern around addicts. My point was, if you are truly trying to limit the number of people indoors and crowded spaces, why not have people buy their alcohol in a large store with more open space, where they already go to buy groceries anyway? So Instead you’re asking them to go to a second, smaller and probably more crowded store, to buy their alcohol. Too many places are considered essential. A full lockdown is really only about a 25% lockdown.
It just seems contradictory to me to say “hey everyone, stay at home unless absolutely necessary, and only go out as few times as possible to as few places as possible when you absolutely have to.” Then say “well you can buy your food and alcohol together here in one stop, but why don’t you just make a separate stop to your favorite corner liquor mart instead.” It’s almost like you’re not just trying to cater to an addict’s needs, but that they are exempt from any inconvenience that the rest of us experience.
In a full lockdown most places were still open unless it was a record store or nail salon (obviously I’m exaggerating, but a large number of stores were allowed to remain open). If you’re going to lock down then lock down. Don’t half-ass it so 75% of stores can find an excuse to stay open because they threw a roll of toilet paper on the shelf.
And in that scenario I think a lockdown is pointless, so I would prefer just strict guidelines instead.
Looking for mid December now to distribute with an emergency authorization being pushed today.
i think the lockdown was a work in progress. this hasn't ever been done before in modern times, so the government and health authorities were learning as they went what worked, what didn't, what the public will tolerate and what they won't, and the risk/reward of each. not only that, but what businesses were willing to do to stay open.
part of this lockdown that takes effect today is yes, winter clothing is allowed to be sold as well as underwear, but nothing else i don't think.
the point of this lockdown is to reduce contacts. you close shit, people just won't go out. we have too many cases where contact tracing is impossible, which is a major factor in controlling the spread. and when tracing has been possible, people have had 50 contacts or more. that is just way too much and contributes to the exponential spread.
it just sucks for most of us who are only going out for essentials already. but you have to cater to the stupid and irresponsible out there, and it's so frustrating.
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I still don't think my 75% guess is going to be far off. In the first lockdown streets were still crwoded, there was still traffic, when I drive by a strip mall most stores are still open from lock smiths to dry cleaners, cafes, auto parts and coffee shops. Even Sherwin Williams remained open. I guess a paint store is considered essential?
And many stores that weren't essential still found a way to operate. The brew supply store had curbside pickup, you call, tell them what you want, they bring it your car and you hand them your credit card. Best Buy did the same thing.
So with so many exceptions to the lockdown I just see it as pointless. You force a small portion of the community to sacrifice and potentially close their business for good for something that didnt even work the first time. The local sports store was closed because it wasn't practical to have a curb side business, but the Target next door was operating like normal because they sold toilet paper, toilet paper that was never in stock and sold out immediately mind you.
So I'm just not in favor of these half-assed lock downs. Do it right or don't do it. With as many exceptions as we have it is pointless.
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The school had a plan, executed it and has been communicating. I can be hard on the schools from time to time, but in this, they have been doing the best they can. I really appreciate the work they put into it. Yes some luck...but you can make some of your own luck.
and if the kids were transmitting it, you'd think they'd be transmitting it to their parents and they'd find out that way if the kid had it.
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