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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,993
    Biden
    The Juggler said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    I thought Biden did a pretty good job. I also thought Mika did a good job challenging him on how him and other prominent democrats reacted to the Ford accusations versus the Reade accusations, as well as challenging him on the University of Delaware documents being sealed. He understandably had to backpedal on the "all women need to be believed" stance he held during the Kavanagh confirmation and changed it to "all women need to be heard," which is what it should've been from the start. But he addressed it, the MSNBC interviewer wasn't too easy on him, so that's all I can ask for from this. 
    I wonder why this is being compared to Kavanaugh and not to the 25 women who accused Trump though? That is his opponent and that is more of an apples to apples comparison since Ford testified under oath. Doesn't make sense to me and it doesn't seem fair. 
    Because since the moment he came down the escalator, not a single "rule" of American politics has applied to him. Once he got away with not releasing his tax returns, all bets were off. 

    But to be a devil's advocate, it did seem al little strange to see so many women accuse Trump of sexual misconduct just a month before the election. 
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    Biden
    JimmyV said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    i think before the press starts to foam at the mouth and get their knives out demanding documents from biden, they need to hold trump to the exact same standard.

    Agreed, but we know what is going to happen. "Why is no one covering this?" became "Why won't Biden address this?" and will become "Why won't Biden release the documents?"
    "but his documents!! whaaaaaaahhhh"
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Biden
    It's a sad state of affairs when responses to sexual abuse allegations become a litmus test for Presidential leadership skills.  That being said, this statement is so far and away better than Trump's reactions that it makes me more comfortable voting for Biden than before the allegations.  
    Not because I believe or disbelieve, but because I'm glad to be reminded of what happens when a candidate puts together a team of intelligent advisors and then actually fucking listens to them.  Even if I thought this was a steaming load of bullshit, I would still vote for Biden because he's actually capable of a cogent response to and attack, a crisis, an emergency.
    Contrasted with Trump, and the way his top-down leadership makes fools of his team, this renders Biden looking like the only adult in the room.
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  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,216
    I'm sitting this one out
    rgambs said:
    It's a sad state of affairs when responses to sexual abuse allegations become a litmus test for Presidential leadership skills.  That being said, this statement is so far and away better than Trump's reactions that it makes me more comfortable voting for Biden than before the allegations.  
    Not because I believe or disbelieve, but because I'm glad to be reminded of what happens when a candidate puts together a team of intelligent advisors and then actually fucking listens to them.  Even if I thought this was a steaming load of bullshit, I would still vote for Biden because he's actually capable of a cogent response to and attack, a crisis, an emergency.
    Contrasted with Trump, and the way his top-down leadership makes fools of his team, this renders Biden looking like the only adult in the room.
    So vote for the better liar? Is this what it is? NYC numbers are pretty shitty yet everyone loves Cuomo. Why? Because he talks good? When have words become louder than action and results? How low is the bar? Yea. Clip fuckin clip for sure. 
  • The Juggler
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    Biden
    The Brett Kavanaugh comparison isn't going away, but it remains hot garbage.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Biden
    nicknyr15 said:
    rgambs said:
    It's a sad state of affairs when responses to sexual abuse allegations become a litmus test for Presidential leadership skills.  That being said, this statement is so far and away better than Trump's reactions that it makes me more comfortable voting for Biden than before the allegations.  
    Not because I believe or disbelieve, but because I'm glad to be reminded of what happens when a candidate puts together a team of intelligent advisors and then actually fucking listens to them.  Even if I thought this was a steaming load of bullshit, I would still vote for Biden because he's actually capable of a cogent response to and attack, a crisis, an emergency.
    Contrasted with Trump, and the way his top-down leadership makes fools of his team, this renders Biden looking like the only adult in the room.
    So vote for the better liar? Is this what it is? NYC numbers are pretty shitty yet everyone loves Cuomo. Why? Because he talks good? When have words become louder than action and results? How low is the bar? Yea. Clip fuckin clip for sure. 
    I think you missed the part where he said it wasn't about belief or disbelief. 
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Biden
    nicknyr15 said:
    rgambs said:
    It's a sad state of affairs when responses to sexual abuse allegations become a litmus test for Presidential leadership skills.  That being said, this statement is so far and away better than Trump's reactions that it makes me more comfortable voting for Biden than before the allegations.  
    Not because I believe or disbelieve, but because I'm glad to be reminded of what happens when a candidate puts together a team of intelligent advisors and then actually fucking listens to them.  Even if I thought this was a steaming load of bullshit, I would still vote for Biden because he's actually capable of a cogent response to and attack, a crisis, an emergency.
    Contrasted with Trump, and the way his top-down leadership makes fools of his team, this renders Biden looking like the only adult in the room.
    So vote for the better liar? Is this what it is? NYC numbers are pretty shitty yet everyone loves Cuomo. Why? Because he talks good? When have words become louder than action and results? How low is the bar? Yea. Clip fuckin clip for sure. 
    Hahaha is this your first election cycle?  Have you ever paid attention to politics before?
    That's all voting has ever been.  

    You think Cuomo is to blame for NYC's numbers?  Seriously?

    We don't control outbreaks, natural disasters, foreign provocations, we only control how we respond to them.  How a leader responds matters.  
    You can whine and pule about how low the bar is all day, hell, I might even join you in that hole from time to time...the fact of reality remains, and one of those two men will be POTUS in 7 months.
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  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,216
    I'm sitting this one out
    rgambs said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    rgambs said:
    It's a sad state of affairs when responses to sexual abuse allegations become a litmus test for Presidential leadership skills.  That being said, this statement is so far and away better than Trump's reactions that it makes me more comfortable voting for Biden than before the allegations.  
    Not because I believe or disbelieve, but because I'm glad to be reminded of what happens when a candidate puts together a team of intelligent advisors and then actually fucking listens to them.  Even if I thought this was a steaming load of bullshit, I would still vote for Biden because he's actually capable of a cogent response to and attack, a crisis, an emergency.
    Contrasted with Trump, and the way his top-down leadership makes fools of his team, this renders Biden looking like the only adult in the room.
    So vote for the better liar? Is this what it is? NYC numbers are pretty shitty yet everyone loves Cuomo. Why? Because he talks good? When have words become louder than action and results? How low is the bar? Yea. Clip fuckin clip for sure. 
    Hahaha is this your first election cycle?  Have you ever paid attention to politics before?
    That's all voting has ever been.  

    You think Cuomo is to blame for NYC's numbers?  Seriously?

    We don't control outbreaks, natural disasters, foreign provocations, we only control how we respond to them.  How a leader responds matters.  
    You can whine and pule about how low the bar is all day, hell, I might even join you in that hole from time to time...the fact of reality remains, and one of those two men will be POTUS in 7 months.
    I don’t think Cuomo is to blame. But if he wasn’t a great speaker, his approval rating would be lower and he all of a sudden would be to blame. Not my first cycle. But when every cycle makes me seriously question “is this the best we could come up with?”, it becomes depressing. 
  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,216
    I'm sitting this one out
    mrussel1 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    rgambs said:
    It's a sad state of affairs when responses to sexual abuse allegations become a litmus test for Presidential leadership skills.  That being said, this statement is so far and away better than Trump's reactions that it makes me more comfortable voting for Biden than before the allegations.  
    Not because I believe or disbelieve, but because I'm glad to be reminded of what happens when a candidate puts together a team of intelligent advisors and then actually fucking listens to them.  Even if I thought this was a steaming load of bullshit, I would still vote for Biden because he's actually capable of a cogent response to and attack, a crisis, an emergency.
    Contrasted with Trump, and the way his top-down leadership makes fools of his team, this renders Biden looking like the only adult in the room.
    So vote for the better liar? Is this what it is? NYC numbers are pretty shitty yet everyone loves Cuomo. Why? Because he talks good? When have words become louder than action and results? How low is the bar? Yea. Clip fuckin clip for sure. 
    I think you missed the part where he said it wasn't about belief or disbelief. 
    I didn’t miss it. Just expressing my disappointment with what we’re stuck with. That’s it. 
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,993
    edited May 2020
    Biden
    The Juggler said:

    This isn't a good comparison. I think it would have been much different had Kavanagh appeared on Fox News to answer questions for twenty minutes rather than go in front of the Senate for hours. And that's not to say it was a softball interview with Mika for Joe, but it's not like being in front of the Senate. And Joe was getting a little testy himself with Mika by the end of it. How would he fare with Ted Cruz, Lindsey Graham and the rest of their crew badgering him for hours?

    Edit: That said, Joe did do a good job and wasn't pointing blame at political opponents and exhibiting other Kavanaghisms. To his credit...
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    Biden
    nicknyr15 said:
    rgambs said:
    It's a sad state of affairs when responses to sexual abuse allegations become a litmus test for Presidential leadership skills.  That being said, this statement is so far and away better than Trump's reactions that it makes me more comfortable voting for Biden than before the allegations.  
    Not because I believe or disbelieve, but because I'm glad to be reminded of what happens when a candidate puts together a team of intelligent advisors and then actually fucking listens to them.  Even if I thought this was a steaming load of bullshit, I would still vote for Biden because he's actually capable of a cogent response to and attack, a crisis, an emergency.
    Contrasted with Trump, and the way his top-down leadership makes fools of his team, this renders Biden looking like the only adult in the room.
    So vote for the better liar? Is this what it is? NYC numbers are pretty shitty yet everyone loves Cuomo. Why? Because he talks good? When have words become louder than action and results? How low is the bar? Yea. Clip fuckin clip for sure. 
    cuomo has led by example, whereas trump has blamed obama for giving him broken tests. 

    see the difference? leaders address a situation and try to solve it, while people like trump blame everything and everyone. 

    i did not like cuomo before this, but god damn it i wish he was the president right now.

    surprised trump has not tried to sue the virus for damages.
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    I'm sitting this one out

  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,216
    I'm sitting this one out
    pjl44 said:

    Ha 
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    Biden
    If polling starts to show Amash could have a negative impact on Trump, those allegations will come.
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  • Lerxst1992
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    gimmesometruth27 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    rgambs said:
    It's a sad state of affairs when responses to sexual abuse allegations become a litmus test for Presidential leadership skills.  That being said, this statement is so far and away better than Trump's reactions that it makes me more comfortable voting for Biden than before the allegations.  
    Not because I believe or disbelieve, but because I'm glad to be reminded of what happens when a candidate puts together a team of intelligent advisors and then actually fucking listens to them.  Even if I thought this was a steaming load of bullshit, I would still vote for Biden because he's actually capable of a cogent response to and attack, a crisis, an emergency.
    Contrasted with Trump, and the way his top-down leadership makes fools of his team, this renders Biden looking like the only adult in the room.
    So vote for the better liar? Is this what it is? NYC numbers are pretty shitty yet everyone loves Cuomo. Why? Because he talks good? When have words become louder than action and results? How low is the bar? Yea. Clip fuckin clip for sure. 
    cuomo has led by example, whereas trump has blamed obama for giving him broken tests. 

    see the difference? leaders address a situation and try to solve it, while people like trump blame everything and everyone. 

    i did not like cuomo before this, but god damn it i wish he was the president right now.

    surprised trump has not tried to sue the virus for damages.


    Cuomo and daBlaz waited 10 critical days to close schools and issue shut down recommendations. They both said many inaccurate statements before March 15. The fact that they both screwed up compared to California, Washington, SKorea, Germany and other places is irrefutable. However they have turned it around by changing their tune and getting NYs horrendous curve turned around and have since been more honest than trump.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    I'm sitting this one out
    OnWis97 said:
    If polling starts to show Amash could have a negative impact on Trump, those allegations will come.
    I'm not convinced on the veracity of Reade's allegation, but it's not like this is a new thing with Biden
  • Lerxst1992
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    JimmyV said:
    The Brett Kavanaugh comparison isn't going away, but it remains hot garbage.

    Garbage indeed. 

    Kavanaugh never had to face voters nor did he need one single vote from the opposition party. That is a huge part of why there was an uproar over his confirmation hearings. Biden must face voters and needs to win non democratic states in order to win the election. Huge difference.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    pjl44 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    If polling starts to show Amash could have a negative impact on Trump, those allegations will come.
    I'm not convinced on the veracity of Reade's allegation, but it's not like this is a new thing with Biden
    Are we equating “sexual assault allegations” with “inappropriate touching” and “creepy behavior,” or “made to feel uncomfortable?” 
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    Lerxst1992 said:
    JimmyV said:
    The Brett Kavanaugh comparison isn't going away, but it remains hot garbage.

    Garbage indeed. 

    Kavanaugh never had to face voters nor did he need one single vote from the opposition party. That is a huge part of why there was an uproar over his confirmation hearings. Biden must face voters and needs to win non democratic states in order to win the election. Huge difference.
    The voters did storm the capital if I recall so that kinda counts as facing them.  Instead of dressing up like GI Joe action figures they cosplayed as Handsmaid Tale actors.
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