Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,553
    I'm sitting this one out
    Here's Biden's full statement. Pretty straightforward. Unless more evidence comes out or we can hear them each under oath, I think we have what we have.



  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,297
    Biden
    That's a pretty goddamn good statement.  Not the "she's not my type" defense that president dipshit used
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,435
    pjl44 said:
    Here's Biden's full statement. Pretty straightforward. Unless more evidence comes out or we can hear them each under oath, I think we have what we have.



    Oops, Sleepy Woke Joe mentioned guns. Get ready for the NRA scare letter and a run on guns. Again. And purported documents from the National Archives flooding social media and gun nutters showing up armed at the National Archives demanding they stop silencing Tara. Watch.
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,297
    Biden
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Libertarians have invaded the Michigan State House



    Good thing they're not Native Americans protesting a pipeline running through their backyard; otherwise they'd get the rubber bullets, water hoses and police dog treatment.
    Remember when Ronald Reagan and the NRA started gun control as we know it because the Black Panthers an actual oppressed minority group used their 2a rights in the state Capitol to protest police injustice?  Maybe the Republicans and their new messiah and the NRA could jump on the gun control train one more time and take away the rights of these ignorant morons.
    I really can't believe they allow that bullshit...there is no reason to carry a gun in that capitol.  Pathetic 
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  • mfc2006
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    Biden
    That's a pretty direct statement & well said, in my opinion.
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,297
    Biden
    I though Trump's statement about Tara Reade was interesting....something to the effect of "they might be false accusations...I had several false accusations against me..."

    So much for that ammo
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    pjl44 said:
    JimmyV said:
    brianlux said:
    dignin said:
    I wish I lived in a world where nobody cared what was trending on twitter. It's a cesspool.

    I had a twitter account for about a month.  It got nauseating so I dumped it.

    Not a bad move. Twitter's shitty reputation is well-earned. Particularly in regards to what it has contributed to our political discourse. Anyone not seeing that is likely ensconced in a very safe bubble.
    I know you mean bubble as a pejorative but that's actually a great way to describe it. Your Twitter feed should absolutely be a bubble. Mine is a mix of music, sports, comics, beer, and politics. You should absolutely not follow or engage with anyone that aggravates you. That's crazy.
    Just because you avoid all the poison doesn't mean it's not happening.

    It's just another place where people get more divided and more extreme, like most social media. Where people become misinformed and entrenched.

    Never had a Twitter account and left Facebook a few years ago. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,435
    Gern Blansten said:
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Libertarians have invaded the Michigan State House



    Good thing they're not Native Americans protesting a pipeline running through their backyard; otherwise they'd get the rubber bullets, water hoses and police dog treatment.
    Remember when Ronald Reagan and the NRA started gun control as we know it because the Black Panthers an actual oppressed minority group used their 2a rights in the state Capitol to protest police injustice?  Maybe the Republicans and their new messiah and the NRA could jump on the gun control train one more time and take away the rights of these ignorant morons.
    I really can't believe they allow that bullshit...there is no reason to carry a gun in that capitol.  Pathetic 
    How long before one or both of these cops has covid?


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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,553
    I'm sitting this one out
    dignin said:
    pjl44 said:
    JimmyV said:
    brianlux said:
    dignin said:
    I wish I lived in a world where nobody cared what was trending on twitter. It's a cesspool.

    I had a twitter account for about a month.  It got nauseating so I dumped it.

    Not a bad move. Twitter's shitty reputation is well-earned. Particularly in regards to what it has contributed to our political discourse. Anyone not seeing that is likely ensconced in a very safe bubble.
    I know you mean bubble as a pejorative but that's actually a great way to describe it. Your Twitter feed should absolutely be a bubble. Mine is a mix of music, sports, comics, beer, and politics. You should absolutely not follow or engage with anyone that aggravates you. That's crazy.
    Just because you avoid all the poison doesn't mean it's not happening.

    It's just another place where people get more divided and more extreme, like most social media. Where people become misinformed and entrenched.

    Never had a Twitter account and left Facebook a few years ago. 
    It's inevitable, though. That's just the nature of our technological advancement. Whether we're on Twitter, Reddit, a Pearl Jam forum, or whatever, people will congregate online and share ideas. 

    Figure out how to use these tools to improve your life. Make your contribution as much a net positive as you can. Counter bad information with good information. That's all any one of us can do. 
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,437
    Biden
    Clear and direct statement from Joe. Couldn't be addressed any better in my opinion. 
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    Biden
    Gern Blansten said:
    I though Trump's statement about Tara Reade was interesting....something to the effect of "they might be false accusations...I had several false accusations against me..."

    So much for that ammo
    Thats just to appear presidential during a national crisis. His surrogates are doing his dirty work right now
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,601
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    JimmyV said:
    brianlux said:
    dignin said:
    I wish I lived in a world where nobody cared what was trending on twitter. It's a cesspool.

    I had a twitter account for about a month.  It got nauseating so I dumped it.

    Not a bad move. Twitter's shitty reputation is well-earned. Particularly in regards to what it has contributed to our political discourse. Anyone not seeing that is likely ensconced in a very safe bubble.
    I know you mean bubble as a pejorative but that's actually a great way to describe it. Your Twitter feed should absolutely be a bubble. Mine is a mix of music, sports, comics, beer, and politics. You should absolutely not follow or engage with anyone that aggravates you. That's crazy.

    Those bubbles very often become echo chambers, and I don't really see any benefit in that. Combine that with the anonymity certain "social" media sites provide and the recipe quickly and often becomes toxic. Plus, my experience has been well-insulated people on "social" media are often unaware (or in denial) of how their own behavior contributes to the deteriorating discourse.

    It's funny you mention sports. I am so much happier not knowing the contrived Boston sports media controversy of the day, almost none of which matter at all a few days later. But those have basically become the lifeblood of reporters in this town. So even following sports was no longer fun.  
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,243
    Biden
    i think biden issued a decent statement. let's see if there is anything in the national archives.
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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    pjl44 said:
    Here's Biden's full statement. Pretty straightforward. Unless more evidence comes out or we can hear them each under oath, I think we have what we have.



    Moving goal posts already....

    'evidence'? 

    Allegations != Evidence
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,995
    edited May 2020
    Biden
    I thought Biden did a pretty good job. I also thought Mika did a good job challenging him on how him and other prominent democrats reacted to the Ford accusations versus the Reade accusations, as well as challenging him on the University of Delaware documents being sealed. He understandably had to backpedal on the "all women need to be believed" stance he held during the Kavanagh confirmation and changed it to "all women need to be heard," which is what it should've been from the start. But he addressed it, the MSNBC interviewer wasn't too easy on him, so that's all I can ask for from this. 
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,243
    Biden
    i think before the press starts to foam at the mouth and get their knives out demanding documents from biden, they need to hold trump to the exact same standard.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,601
    edited May 2020
    Biden
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    i think before the press starts to foam at the mouth and get their knives out demanding documents from biden, they need to hold trump to the exact same standard.

    Agreed, but we know what is going to happen. "Why is no one covering this?" became "Why won't Biden address this?" and will become "Why won't Biden release the documents?"
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    Biden
    The press is going to demand the most information regardless of whether it is applied fairly.  But at the end of the day,  it would be political malpractice to open the archives for any reason.  The campaign can ride this out. It's not that damaging. 
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    edited May 2020
    Biden
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    I thought Biden did a pretty good job. I also thought Mika did a good job challenging him on how him and other prominent democrats reacted to the Ford accusations versus the Reade accusations, as well as challenging him on the University of Delaware documents being sealed. He understandably had to backpedal on the "all women need to be believed" stance he held during the Kavanagh confirmation and changed it to "all women need to be heard," which is what it should've been from the start. But he addressed it, the MSNBC interviewer wasn't too easy on him, so that's all I can ask for from this. 
    I wonder why this is being compared to Kavanaugh and not to the 25 women who accused Trump though? That is his opponent and that is more of an apples to apples comparison since Ford testified under oath. Doesn't make sense to me and it doesn't seem fair. 
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    Biden
    JimmyV said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    i think before the press starts to foam at the mouth and get their knives out demanding documents from biden, they need to hold trump to the exact same standard.

    Agreed, but we know what is going to happen. "Why is no one covering this?" became "Why won't Biden address this?" and will become "Why won't Biden release the documents?"
    Exactly. I wish Biden would've found a way to bring that up this morning...
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