Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

Halifax2TheMax said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

chris hayes reported on the biden accusations last night. now firechrishayes is trending number 1 on twitter.

And who are those that are "pushing" #firechrishayes? Putin on the ritz? Or legitimate, real life Sleepy Woke Joe supporters? Or real "dem" Bernie supporters?

Social media never influenced anyone to vote, ever.

gimmesometruth27 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

chris hayes reported on the biden accusations last night. now firechrishayes is trending number 1 on twitter.

And who are those that are "pushing" #firechrishayes? Putin on the ritz? Or legitimate, real life Sleepy Woke Joe supporters? Or real "dem" Bernie supporters?

Social media never influenced anyone to vote, ever.

But I thought evil Russian bots spread propaganda on American social media and that hurt Hillary in 2016. Well I guess we can scratch that off of Hillary’s excuse list, because social media never influenced anyone to vote ever. 

hillary won the popular vote by over 3 million.

there is documented evidence that coordinated russian troll farms did influence the 2016 election. the gop committee chairpeople are even saying so.

Ledbetterman10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

chris hayes reported on the biden accusations last night. now firechrishayes is trending number 1 on twitter.

And who are those that are "pushing" #firechrishayes? Putin on the ritz? Or legitimate, real life Sleepy Woke Joe supporters? Or real "dem" Bernie supporters?

Social media never influenced anyone to vote, ever.

But I thought evil Russian bots spread propaganda on American social media and that hurt Hillary in 2016. Well I guess we can scratch that off of Hillary’s excuse list, because social media never influenced anyone to vote ever. 

hillary won the popular vote by over 3 million.

there is documented evidence that coordinated russian troll farms did influence the 2016 election. the gop committee chairpeople are even saying so.

I know. I’m saying how can Halifax say social media doesn’t influence voters when he’s one of the more vocal people here about Russian influence on our elections. 

pjl44 said:

Everyone always rolls their eyes at libertarians and weed but it comes up a lot because legalization hits a lot of different boxes:

- Economic growth
- Fewer nonviolent incarcerations
- Violent crime reduction
- Freedom to partake in a harmless activity 
Edit: - Non-opioid-based pain relief

OnWis97 said:

pjl44 said:

Oh and I keep seeing the "what libertarian policies" question come up and two recent ones I'd point to that the LP has advocated for years and years before Rs and Ds are:

- Weed legalization, which is tons of jobs and revenue
- Marriage equality, which needs no other context

Admittedly, it's anecdotal but my experience with those who claim to be libertarian is that they are just Republicans...they liked W, the LOVE Trump and they care about owning the libs.

And the candidates seem to understand that they need to get some of the conservative base...so with marriage, it's usually the great cop-out of "get government out of marriage," which technically doesn't discriminate, but also doesn't force them to advocate for gay partnerships.  And, of course, they're all pro-birth.

There's no question that the libertarians I encountered early on (i.e., local/state elections) were absolutely early to the party regarding weed legalization.  But the bigger the scale (i.e., local---state---national) the election, the more they tend to become Republicans.  Ultimately, they're on the right and even the ones that do hold some of the liberal social views allow the reduction of taxes and elimination of safety nets and regulations to trump (er, Trump) those.

20 years ago, I actually thought the libertarian ideal would be a major player by now.  But ultimately, the right is united (they even had an event in Charlottesville, VA) and to be effective, the need the religious right and the kleptocrats to be successful.  So they're almost the "social democrat" wing of the GOP...but I don't think they vote against their own interest to spite the moderates the way the Bernie Bros do.

pjl44 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Speaking of things trending, "Joe Biden is Joe Biden" is trending now because that's what Pelosi said in regards to his allegation  Like "Joe's gonna be Joe" in nature. The Dems just seem to get in their own way. You already have a likely baseless (or at least unprovable) allegation against Biden that really isn't much to worry about. But she can't help but put her foot in her mouth. 

The pisser is if you read her quote you can tell what she meant, but good lord what a bad way to put it

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

chris hayes reported on the biden accusations last night. now firechrishayes is trending number 1 on twitter.

And who are those that are "pushing" #firechrishayes? Putin on the ritz? Or legitimate, real life Sleepy Woke Joe supporters? Or real "dem" Bernie supporters?

Social media never influenced anyone to vote, ever.

But I thought evil Russian bots spread propaganda on American social media and that hurt Hillary in 2016. Well I guess we can scratch that off of Hillary’s excuse list, because social media never influenced anyone to vote ever. 

hillary won the popular vote by over 3 million.

there is documented evidence that coordinated russian troll farms did influence the 2016 election. the gop committee chairpeople are even saying so.

I know. I’m saying how can Halifax say social media doesn’t influence voters when he’s one of the more vocal people here about Russian influence on our elections. 

Because I was told that by some posters on here, despite my posting numerous fact based links to the contrary. Have you forgotten where I've stood for the past 5 years? Did I forget the thing all the kids are using? /s or is it s/? My apologies.

No clue what the bolded part is supposed to mean. But yeah, what was I thinking. Of course you're saying that Russian trolls are causing Hayes to trend. 

No, I was asking the question, is it true Sleepy Woke Joe supporters, Bernie supporters or putin on the ritz? 

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

chris hayes reported on the biden accusations last night. now firechrishayes is trending number 1 on twitter.

And who are those that are "pushing" #firechrishayes? Putin on the ritz? Or legitimate, real life Sleepy Woke Joe supporters? Or real "dem" Bernie supporters?

Social media never influenced anyone to vote, ever.

But I thought evil Russian bots spread propaganda on American social media and that hurt Hillary in 2016. Well I guess we can scratch that off of Hillary’s excuse list, because social media never influenced anyone to vote ever. 

hillary won the popular vote by over 3 million.

there is documented evidence that coordinated russian troll farms did influence the 2016 election. the gop committee chairpeople are even saying so.

I know. I’m saying how can Halifax say social media doesn’t influence voters when he’s one of the more vocal people here about Russian influence on our elections. 

Because I was told that by some posters on here, despite my posting numerous fact based links to the contrary. Have you forgotten where I've stood for the past 5 years? Did I forget the thing all the kids are using? /s or is it s/? My apologies.

No clue what the bolded part is supposed to mean. But yeah, what was I thinking. Of course you're saying that Russian trolls are causing Hayes to trend. 

No, I was asking the question, is it true Sleepy Woke Joe supporters, Bernie supporters or putin on the ritz? 

Well of those three groups, I'd say it's mostly Joe supporters. But not just them as "Joe supporters." I bet there's Democratic Party and MSNBC loyalists who are looking at Hayes saying "Dude...you think Hannity would throw Trump under the bus like that? This is why their side wins. They're all on the same page."

But do you know that? That they're mostly "Joe supporters?"

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

Democrats in 2020 are the goddamn best

Oh please.  Get off the high horse.  It's not like libertarianism is some political force for change in this country.  It's nothing more than a protest vote. 

How can you not read the last few pages of this thread and just put your head in your hands?

Dude there is no reason to personally attack the members of this forum. I applaud your resolve by staying on a left leaning forum. I often do the same, on one of the very few right wing forums that allow liberals.

but to attack every commenter on here? That makes you better?

you are the one living in a fantasy world where the American founders did not purposely construct a nationwide electoral system that only plausibly allows 2 candidates. Amash will most likely get zero electoral votes and his ONLY PURPOSE WILL BE TO PULL AWAY MODERATE VOTES FROM BIDEN IN SWING STATES. 

thank you for joining team trump. This was his exact 2016 strategy. Argue with the men that wrote the constitution if you disagree with electoral reality 

Are Libertarian votes moderate though?  I think Amash hurts tRump more than Biden.  Especially once Amash has to hug the libertarian platform.