You know the only way to get herd immunity is to leave your fucking house? Me leaving my house along with thousands of others won't cut it. They need to open it up. Those who are afraid can stay home. Free will. It's a big thing in America.
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Had a conversation with another contractor at work today.He made a comment about " going to be shut down soon, work while you can", I asked what he meant because we are already on a " shut-down"..He replied " We are all going to get covid eventually and have to shut down..work while you can"...That REALLY made this virus sink in a bit more..
It's not even about Hannity. You read the headline then read the story and it's journalism that we should be weeping for.
If you complain here about journalism nowadays, then you’re automatically a trump supporter. There are news outlets just as bad as Fox News, but for the other side. It’s just not brought up here.
Totally. Did you see the CNN video of Chris Cuomo emerging from quarantine? Even though he had been out in the Hamptons (while infectious) and got into an argument with a cyclist? It's hard to avoid nihilism at this point.
Embarrassing. I was embarrassed for him. Nobody talks about stuff like that though. If trump made that video, forget it. That’s a big problem. People arent stupid, even though certain posters here make it seem like anyone who isn’t a Biden supporter is dumb. People notice things like that , and it only helps Trump. This whole attitude is counterproductive towards getting him out of office.
This Gallup poll tells you all you need to know about the state of our relationship with the media. We all understand that Fox is full of shit. But, like you said, try to explain that the same applies to MSNBC, CNN, etc. and you'll get well-akshually'd into oblivion. There's a reason the "fake news" thing sticks, unfortunately.
Last night I watched Anderson Cooper call the Mayor of Las Vegas an "idiot." Flat out just said, you are an idiot.
The mayor was making the argument that it's up to private businesses to put social distancing practices in place if they wish to open, not her job as mayor. At this point I do tend to feel that "letting the market decide" is a viable option, so I didn't disagree with the mayor, even though she seemed a bit like a nut in other ways. I tend to believe that businesses who choose to open probably won't see much business and eat the cost of opening, because "the market" -- that would be US, people -- don't want to go anywhere.
BUT, to have gotten to a point where "news anchors", even someone like Anderson Cooper whom I have always admired, to call a mayor an idiot as part of the interview -- it just isn't journalism anymore. It's all commentary, celebrity, ratings, sensationalism, all the time, on every channel. Our free press is in a crisis and I worry about the fate of our nation without responsible journalism.
You need to put his comment in the context of what he was asking and showing her. He was using the dining room map of a Chinese study that illustrated how one infected person at a table infected diners at nearby tables and the study saying the virus was carried by the air current of the dining room's AC system. After he asked if she would be going from casino to casino to ensure proper social distancing per CDC and Team Trump Treason's recommendations. Her reply? "I don't gamble," and "Anderson, we're not in China."
So yea, she's a fucking idiot and if I was employed by one of those casinos, I wouldn't go back to work and probably be denied unemployment for doing so and if I were a gambler, I'd stay home and gamble online. She's a fucking idiot.
Her being a fucking idiot is for us to decide. It's not Anderson Cooper's job to decide for us. His job is to present the facts -- the diagram of the Chinese dining table -- and to ask her to comment on it. If he doesn't agree with her answer, he needs to keep that to himself, or risk being forever labeled a biased reporter. Like I said, she showed herself to be a nut case in some respects. Give the viewers credit for understanding that. Nobody in the media even pretends to be objective anymore, and that's a major problem.
Just some empathy, not an endorsement -- but you have a mayor looking at the possibility of her town becoming a 21st century ghost town because of its reliance on a single industry. Nutso or not in her response to Cooper's questions, I feel for her and the people in Las Vegas. At this point, I am on the "let the markets decide" side of the fence, for a variety of reasons, some of which are not appropriate to say out loud.
Did he call her an "idiot," or what she was claiming as "idiocy?" If I recall, he didn't call her an "idiot," but rather what she was trying to claim, "let Las Vegas be a control group," as idiocy. Particularly after he tried to reason with her.
Like Team trump Treason, these "idiots," "morons," "bullshit artists," need to be called out on their stupidity because the problem is, many viewers are too stupid to do so themselves.
Are you okay with opening up Las Vegas to the large Asian cliental that previously flocked from China, Singapore, Malaysia and other parts of Asia to gamble in Las Vegas? Direct flights from Beijing? I mean, if we're going to open up America "again," lets open her up, right?
HTM: "Many viewers are too stupid to do so themselves." You're a real piece of work. You're basically arguing that we need the media to tell us what to think.
I hate to break it to ya, but yes, we are going top open up soon. We have no fucking choice. Whether it's tomorrow, two weeks, August -- whatever. THE MARKET WILL DECIDE. Every single state in America could go full open tomorrow, and I guarantee you, nobody -- or very few people -- will go anywhere. Businesses that open too early without safety measures in place will fail anyway. Smart business people will know that and will wait to open when they know they can protect their workers and customers. To do the opposite will be financial ruin for them, those that aren't ruined already. This idea that there is this magical date in the near future when we will all be safe from this disease is lunacy. Do you suppose we wait two fucking years for a vaccine, none of which are 100% effective, before we open up again?
Darwin: "It's not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change." I personally will support the businesses who adapt to change.
First, thank you for teaching. You're not compensated well enough for what you have to try and accomplish.
I watched Anderson Cooper last night and I have an issue with how you've framed this particular issue on reporting. I didn't hear him call her an "idiot," but rather what she was claiming as "idiocy," in light of the fact based evidence he was presenting to her. "Arguing that we need media to tell us what to think?" Hardly. Anderson was calling her out. You can still choose for yourself whether she's an "idiot," or what she was espousing was "idiocy." There's no finality to the debate. In how Anderson presented the evidence, and her claims of denial, yes, she's an idiot. And Anderson didn't tell me to think that. I witnessed it. Do you think the mayor's argument was valid, fact based? Or do you think we should be like Sweden? "Smart business people," are infectious disease experts, too? I didn't realize that was something they taught in business school, or the school of hard knocks, Pandemic Response Business Continuity 101?
"Let the market decide." Well, the fucking advocates for re-opening the economy and letting America go back to work, should practice what they preach and do what they advocate for. Like Randy Paul screeching about "going back to normal" but advocating for remote voting for himself. Or the dipshit mayor of Las Vegas who won't visit casinos because, "she doesn't gamble." So, all those employers who tell their employees to return to work, and either A) don't have anything to do because there's no customers or get sick and cant work, what about them? Can they decide to stay home and collect unemployment?
Is Las Vegas open to everyone or just Americans? Seeing how the mayor wants her citizens to be a "control group?"
Hate to break it to you but get ready for the second wave of infections and deaths and see what that does for "business."
(Edit: I didn't realize a B ) gets you a cool dude emoticon)
One of the inappropriate thoughts which I dare to speak out loud right now -- I'm totally okay with certain groups of people in this country volunteering to be our control group. No problem with that at all.
I just re-watched the complete interview Anderson Cooper had with that idiot Las Vegas Mayor. Guess what? He never called her an idiot. He called a statement that she made, "ignorant." Is it possible CNN edited the interview they posted on their website? Sure, I guess. I found it on my phone and can't find it on CNN's page. If you can find it, watch it. Then decide for yourself if the mayor of Las Vegas is an idiot. Don't think what Anderson Cooper wants you to.
27% herd immunity in NY with 2.7million positive tests for antibodies. Extrapolated globally thats over 2 billion Rona cases. This thing is 99.999% harmless. Lets fucking get shit open. This is the dumbest shit ever.
Wrong. You often need >50% immunity in the population for herd immunity. For SARS-2 that threshold may be as high as ~80%, a larger number than was even projected to get the virus at one point.
27% herd immunity in NY with 2.7million positive tests for antibodies. Extrapolated globally thats over 2 billion Rona cases. This thing is 99.999% harmless. Lets fucking get shit open. This is the dumbest shit ever.
15,740 dead in New York State. So fucking dumb.
The downfall of western civilization vs. 50,000 deaths. Seems legit. GO on though. Talk about how important everyone is in the scheme of human history.
Cool. I volunteer you.
PS - You don't post much, but you could post less.
You know the only way to get herd immunity is to leave your fucking house? Me leaving my house along with thousands of others won't cut it. They need to open it up. Those who are afraid can stay home. Free will. It's a big thing in America.
Thanks for posting. Ramadan is traditionally about fasting to learn compassion for those who don’t have enough to eat, among other reasons, and service to those who have not been fortunate. Now is certainly a time when people may need more help.
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He does believe the human heart has a predetermined amount of heartbeats so he chooses not to exercise because it will kill him sooner.
And sunlight and heat can kill the virus and the experts need to look into it (glances over at the experts). Plus, he just did a perfect Alec Baldwin impression. Nailed it!
People are not literal enough with the word "ignorant." It's often not an insult but an observation.
I don't watch CNN or care to start watching it now, but it sounds like perhaps Anderson Cooper meant it quite literally and that the internet took it as an insult on the mayor.
I don't care enough to watch even 10 seconds of Anderson Cooper to clarify this, but for those of you who do watch, maybe bear in mind the literal meaning of the word ignorant before getting it twisted.
I think maybe I started this Anderson Cooper thing. It was an EXAMPLE in response to someone else's point that the media is out of control.
My concern is way larger than the "both side-ism" people like to engage in. I'm concerned that our democracy depends upon a responsibly functioning free press, and it's totally out of control. This is what I care about when I choose my news sources, courtesy of the late Jim Lehrer, one of the best role models out there (may he RIP). I've bolded the ones especially pertinent to some of the responses I've received to the AC 360 example I gave:
Jim Lehrer's Rules for Journalism
Do nothing I cannot defend.
Cover, write and present every story with the care I would want if the story were about me.
Assume there is at least one other side or version to every story.
Assume the viewer is as smart and as caring and as good a person as I am. Assume the same about all people on whom I report.
Assume personal lives are a private matter until a legitimate turn in the story absolutely mandates otherwise.
Carefully separate opinion and analysis from straight news stories, and clearly label everything.
Do not use anonymous sources or blind quotes except on rare and monumental occasions. No one should be able to attack another anonymously.
Washington Post reporter snips the picture of a 55 gallon drum and would like to convince you that rubbing alcohol costs $2k. No idea why that Gallup poll came out like it did!
People are not literal enough with the word "ignorant." It's often not an insult but an observation.
I don't watch CNN or care to start watching it now, but it sounds like perhaps Anderson Cooper meant it quite literally and that the internet took it as an insult on the mayor.
I don't care enough to watch even 10 seconds of Anderson Cooper to clarify this, but for those of you who do watch, maybe bear in mind the literal meaning of the word ignorant before getting it twisted.
I think maybe I started this Anderson Cooper thing. It was an EXAMPLE in response to someone else's point that the media is out of control.
My concern is way larger than the "both side-ism" people like to engage in. I'm concerned that our democracy depends upon a responsibly functioning free press, and it's totally out of control. This is what I care about when I choose my news sources, courtesy of the late Jim Lehrer, one of the best role models out there (may he RIP). I've bolded the ones especially pertinent to some of the responses I've received to the AC 360 example I gave:
Jim Lehrer's Rules for Journalism
Do nothing I cannot defend.
Cover, write and present every story with the care I would want if the story were about me.
Assume there is at least one other side or version to every story.
Assume the viewer is as smart and as caring and as good a person as I am. Assume the same about all people on whom I report.
Assume personal lives are a private matter until a legitimate turn in the story absolutely mandates otherwise.
Carefully separate opinion and analysis from straight news stories, and clearly label everything.
Do not use anonymous sources or blind quotes except on rare and monumental occasions. No one should be able to attack another anonymously.
Finally, I am not in the entertainment business.
I'm not sure all of those rules necessarily apply to AC360 and the like -- they don't purport to be straight news shows.
People are not literal enough with the word "ignorant." It's often not an insult but an observation.
I don't watch CNN or care to start watching it now, but it sounds like perhaps Anderson Cooper meant it quite literally and that the internet took it as an insult on the mayor.
I don't care enough to watch even 10 seconds of Anderson Cooper to clarify this, but for those of you who do watch, maybe bear in mind the literal meaning of the word ignorant before getting it twisted.
I think maybe I started this Anderson Cooper thing. It was an EXAMPLE in response to someone else's point that the media is out of control.
My concern is way larger than the "both side-ism" people like to engage in. I'm concerned that our democracy depends upon a responsibly functioning free press, and it's totally out of control. This is what I care about when I choose my news sources, courtesy of the late Jim Lehrer, one of the best role models out there (may he RIP). I've bolded the ones especially pertinent to some of the responses I've received to the AC 360 example I gave:
Jim Lehrer's Rules for Journalism
Do nothing I cannot defend.
Cover, write and present every story with the care I would want if the story were about me.
Assume there is at least one other side or version to every story.
Assume the viewer is as smart and as caring and as good a person as I am. Assume the same about all people on whom I report.
Assume personal lives are a private matter until a legitimate turn in the story absolutely mandates otherwise.
Carefully separate opinion and analysis from straight news stories, and clearly label everything.
Do not use anonymous sources or blind quotes except on rare and monumental occasions. No one should be able to attack another anonymously.
Finally, I am not in the entertainment business.
And yet you’re claiming the press is totally out of control based upon a false report or post that Anderson Cooper called the mayor of Las Vegas an idiot. He didn’t.
I’m not a journalist so I don’t have to assume everyone is as smart as me. I’ve made the observation that there’s a lot of stupid viewers out there. Do you doubt that?
How has Anderson Cooper not lived up to Jim Lehrer’s ideals?
27% herd immunity in NY with 2.7million positive tests for antibodies. Extrapolated globally thats over 2 billion Rona cases. This thing is 99.999% harmless. Lets fucking get shit open. This is the dumbest shit ever.
Wrong. You often need >50% immunity in the population for herd immunity. For SARS-2 that threshold may be as high as ~80%, a larger number than was even projected to get the virus at one point.
27% herd immunity in NY with 2.7million positive tests for antibodies. Extrapolated globally thats over 2 billion Rona cases. This thing is 99.999% harmless. Lets fucking get shit open. This is the dumbest shit ever.
15,740 dead in New York State. So fucking dumb.
The downfall of western civilization vs. 50,000 deaths. Seems legit. GO on though. Talk about how important everyone is in the scheme of human history.
Cool. I volunteer you.
PS - You don't post much, but you could post less.
You know the only way to get herd immunity is to leave your fucking house? Me leaving my house along with thousands of others won't cut it. They need to open it up. Those who are afraid can stay home. Free will. It's a big thing in America.
Free will doesn't give you a right to endanger others, which is what happens when you and your buddies refuse to stay home.
27% herd immunity in NY with 2.7million positive tests for antibodies. Extrapolated globally thats over 2 billion Rona cases. This thing is 99.999% harmless. Lets fucking get shit open. This is the dumbest shit ever.
Wrong. You often need >50% immunity in the population for herd immunity. For SARS-2 that threshold may be as high as ~80%, a larger number than was even projected to get the virus at one point.
27% herd immunity in NY with 2.7million positive tests for antibodies. Extrapolated globally thats over 2 billion Rona cases. This thing is 99.999% harmless. Lets fucking get shit open. This is the dumbest shit ever.
15,740 dead in New York State. So fucking dumb.
The downfall of western civilization vs. 50,000 deaths. Seems legit. GO on though. Talk about how important everyone is in the scheme of human history.
Cool. I volunteer you.
PS - You don't post much, but you could post less.
You know the only way to get herd immunity is to leave your fucking house? Me leaving my house along with thousands of others won't cut it. They need to open it up. Those who are afraid can stay home. Free will. It's a big thing in America.
You could consider moving to Sweden.
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People are not literal enough with the word "ignorant." It's often not an insult but an observation.
I don't watch CNN or care to start watching it now, but it sounds like perhaps Anderson Cooper meant it quite literally and that the internet took it as an insult on the mayor.
I don't care enough to watch even 10 seconds of Anderson Cooper to clarify this, but for those of you who do watch, maybe bear in mind the literal meaning of the word ignorant before getting it twisted.
I think maybe I started this Anderson Cooper thing. It was an EXAMPLE in response to someone else's point that the media is out of control.
My concern is way larger than the "both side-ism" people like to engage in. I'm concerned that our democracy depends upon a responsibly functioning free press, and it's totally out of control. This is what I care about when I choose my news sources, courtesy of the late Jim Lehrer, one of the best role models out there (may he RIP). I've bolded the ones especially pertinent to some of the responses I've received to the AC 360 example I gave:
Jim Lehrer's Rules for Journalism
Do nothing I cannot defend.
Cover, write and present every story with the care I would want if the story were about me.
Assume there is at least one other side or version to every story.
Assume the viewer is as smart and as caring and as good a person as I am. Assume the same about all people on whom I report.
Assume personal lives are a private matter until a legitimate turn in the story absolutely mandates otherwise.
Carefully separate opinion and analysis from straight news stories, and clearly label everything.
Do not use anonymous sources or blind quotes except on rare and monumental occasions. No one should be able to attack another anonymously.
Finally, I am not in the entertainment business.
I'm not sure all of those rules necessarily apply to AC360 and the like -- they don't purport to be straight news shows.
So you're saying AC doesn't need to assume his viewers are smart? Or that he's not in the entertainment business? Or that when he tells a mayor she is "ignorant" or an "idiot" (pick your synonym), he doesn't have a responsibility to just add the simple words, "in my opinion . . . " ? Okay. Thanks for sharing.
I was just thinking, while momentarily doing something else, that this forum actually is just a different form of what we see on the networks. Shifting attention spans, gotcha moments, using memes and soundbites to narrow ideas. Ugh. I've thought it before and I'll say it now -- I need a new hobby.
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i will take "things more responsible than sweden" for 800, Alex.
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My concern is way larger than the "both side-ism" people like to engage in. I'm concerned that our democracy depends upon a responsibly functioning free press, and it's totally out of control. This is what I care about when I choose my news sources, courtesy of the late Jim Lehrer, one of the best role models out there (may he RIP). I've bolded the ones especially pertinent to some of the responses I've received to the AC 360 example I gave:
Jim Lehrer's Rules for Journalism
Why have they got to lose?
I’m not a journalist so I don’t have to assume everyone is as smart as me. I’ve made the observation that there’s a lot of stupid viewers out there. Do you doubt that?
How has Anderson Cooper not lived up to Jim Lehrer’s ideals?
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I was just thinking, while momentarily doing something else, that this forum actually is just a different form of what we see on the networks. Shifting attention spans, gotcha moments, using memes and soundbites to narrow ideas. Ugh. I've thought it before and I'll say it now -- I need a new hobby.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14