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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,599
    oftenreading said:
    stuckinline said:
    Saw this posted on Facebook. It may give some insight to the protests. SMH

    If you want to stay home, stay home.
    If you want to wear a mask, wear a mask.
    If you want to avoid large crowds, avoid large crowds.

    I am not required to descend into poverty for you.
    I am not required to abstain from human contact for you.
    I am not required to shop alone, without my kids, for you.

    I refuse to participate in "quarantine life" until there's an unsafe, untested v@ccine released in eighteen months. I refuse to receive said v@ccine to make others feel more safe. I won't set myself--or my children--on fire to keep you warm. If you're convinced the vaccine is safe and effective, you can get it yourself.

    Some of you are allowing fear and policies devoid of scientifically accurate data to destroy America and ruin your life. I can't control your self-destructive behaviors, but we all have a say in America.

    We need to tell legislators that we demand options. We have a constitutional right to take risks. Life is full of bacteria and viruses--many of which spread before symptoms manifest and after they subside. We have a right to receive OR refuse v@ccines.

    The data was inaccurate at best; purposely overblown to justify government overreach at worst. Stop allowing the government to destroy:
    The Food Supply
    Small Businesses
    Medical Autonomy
    Access to Healthcare
    Religious Gatherings
    Privacy Rights
    Fellowship

    When the "new normal" is filled with starvation, depression, suicide, imprisonment, governmental spying, and pure DESPERATION, the virus is going to look preferable to the world you helped facilitate."

    Basically, “my wishes are my important than the common good”.

    This so what you get when a country puts all its focus on individual rights. State sanctioned selfishness. 
    This is the rally cry from the right wing whackos that are carrying rifles to city hall.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,604
    stuckinline said:
    Saw this posted on Facebook. It may give some insight to the protests. SMH

    If you want to stay home, stay home.
    If you want to wear a mask, wear a mask.
    If you want to avoid large crowds, avoid large crowds.

    I am not required to descend into poverty for you.
    I am not required to abstain from human contact for you.
    I am not required to shop alone, without my kids, for you.

    I refuse to participate in "quarantine life" until there's an unsafe, untested v@ccine released in eighteen months. I refuse to receive said v@ccine to make others feel more safe. I won't set myself--or my children--on fire to keep you warm. If you're convinced the vaccine is safe and effective, you can get it yourself.

    Some of you are allowing fear and policies devoid of scientifically accurate data to destroy America and ruin your life. I can't control your self-destructive behaviors, but we all have a say in America.

    We need to tell legislators that we demand options. We have a constitutional right to take risks. Life is full of bacteria and viruses--many of which spread before symptoms manifest and after they subside. We have a right to receive OR refuse v@ccines.

    The data was inaccurate at best; purposely overblown to justify government overreach at worst. Stop allowing the government to destroy:
    The Food Supply
    Small Businesses
    Medical Autonomy
    Access to Healthcare
    Religious Gatherings
    Privacy Rights
    Fellowship

    When the "new normal" is filled with starvation, depression, suicide, imprisonment, governmental spying, and pure DESPERATION, the virus is going to look preferable to the world you helped facilitate."


    "Stop allowing the government to destroy..." but also vote for the guy who runs the government.
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  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    nicknyr15 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    great weather so went out for lunch with a friend


    You’re just the coolest. How tone deaf is this post?
    Doesn't seem tone-deaf at all to me.

    We're all experiencing different things in this pandemic. 

    Here's a snapshot of the Swedish experience.

    I will say that selling a $35 ViewFinder seems tone-deaf, though.
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  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,333
    dankind said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    great weather so went out for lunch with a friend


    You’re just the coolest. How tone deaf is this post?
    Doesn't seem tone-deaf at all to me.

    We're all experiencing different things in this pandemic. 

    Here's a snapshot of the Swedish experience.

    I will say that selling a $35 ViewFinder seems tone-deaf, though.
    Fair enough. And yes about the view finder 
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,147
    dankind said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    great weather so went out for lunch with a friend


    You’re just the coolest. How tone deaf is this post?
    Doesn't seem tone-deaf at all to me.

    We're all experiencing different things in this pandemic. 

    Here's a snapshot of the Swedish experience.

    I will say that selling a $35 ViewFinder seems tone-deaf, though.
    That fucking thing is ridiculous. Coming from a guy that wore Pearl Jam socks to my high school basketball games.
    Scio me nihil scire

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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,562
    edited April 2020
    As Ive stated before - KISS would have atleast painted flames on it. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,562
    hedonist said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:

    Sweden has nearly 10 times the number of COVID-19-related deaths than its Nordic neighbors. Here's where it went wrong.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/sweden-nearly-10-times-number-210442597.html

    Sweden's controversial coronavirus strategy has led to nearly 10 times the number of deaths of other Nordic countries — and it serves as a counterargument to US citizens calling for their country to reopen.

    Sweden has yet to order any lockdowns amid the novel coronavirus pandemic, according to AFP. The country has left schools, restaurants, and gyms open, and while the government banned gatherings over 50 people and urged residents to self-isolate, life appears to be largely unchanged.

    Sweden's lack of strict lockdowns contrasts sharply with the rest of Europe, and it has yet to see a downturn in COVID-19 cases. The country — which has a population of about 10.2 million — has seen 15,322 cases and 1,765 deaths from the virus so far, making the death rate per capita at 17.3 deaths per 100,000 people.

    Sweden's Nordic neighbors Norway and Finland approached the virus differently, and it could be why they're facing just a fraction of COVID-19-related deaths.

    Norway went into lockdown in mid-March, closing schools, restaurants, cultural events, gyms, and tourist attractions. It also banned outside travelers. Finland, which has been stockpiling medical supplies since the Cold War, restricted border traffic, banned gatherings of 10 or more people, and closed schools as part of its coronavirus guidelines.

    Norway, which has nearly 5.4 million people, has seen 7,191 cases and 182 deaths, with a death rate per capita at 3.37 deaths per 100,000 people. Finland, with a population of 5.5 million, has seen 4,014 COVID-19 cases and 141 deaths, with a death rate per capita at 2.56 deaths per 100,000 people.

    For a further comparison, the United States, which has a population of 328.2 million, has seen 800,932 confirmed COVID-19 cases, and 43,006 deaths, with a death rate per capita at 13.1 deaths per 100,000 people.

    Anders Tegnell, the state epidemiologist who created Sweden's relaxed coronavirus response plan, told local media that the country's fatality rates show the spread of the virus is starting to "plateau," according to Bloomberg.

    Charts released by Pantheon Macroeconomics, however, contradict Tegnell. Sweden's COVID-19 cases appear to still be rising, and Norway's appear to already be on a downslide.

    Bo Lundback, a professor of epidemiology at the University of Gothenburg, told Agence Frances-Press that a change needed to happen.

    "The authorities and the government stupidly did not believe that the epidemic would reach Sweden at all," he said.

    Some 2,300 academics signed an open letter last month calling for Sweden to reconsider its approach to the virus, according to Fox News.

    Cecilia Soderberg-Naucler, a professor at the Karolinska Institute who signed the letter, told Fox News: "We must establish control over the situation — we cannot head into a situation where we get complete chaos. No one has tried this route, so why should we test it first in Sweden, without informed consent?"

    Swedes so far have been refraining from travel, according to Bloomberg, and its foreign minister, Ann Linde, said in an interview with Radio Sweden that its rules "affect the whole society," according to Bloomberg.

    You ever played Mario Kart bro?
    Can you break this down into actual language for those of us not into Mario Kart, bro?
    did on the last page. or the page before that. As a respone to cincy
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    nicknyr15 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    great weather so went out for lunch with a friend


    You’re just the coolest. How tone deaf is this post?
    Mario Cart bro!! Gotta stuff your face so
    you don’t get knocked off rainbow road. 

    Scoreboard, Mario Cart bro , ......???  Can’t wait for the next catch phrase!!


  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,333
    DewieCox said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    great weather so went out for lunch with a friend


    You’re just the coolest. How tone deaf is this post?
    Mario Cart bro!! Gotta stuff your face so
    you don’t get knocked off rainbow road. 

    Scoreboard, Mario Cart bro , ......???  Can’t wait for the next catch phrase!!


    Bring up Greta in a negative way. That gets him going more than anything 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,562
    DewieCox said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    great weather so went out for lunch with a friend


    You’re just the coolest. How tone deaf is this post?
    Mario Cart bro!! Gotta stuff your face so
    you don’t get knocked off rainbow road. 

    Scoreboard, Mario Cart bro , ......???  Can’t wait for the next catch phrase!!


    It’s called ”Mario Kart”. 

    Basic allmänbildning.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,517
    JimmyV said:
    stuckinline said:
    Saw this posted on Facebook. It may give some insight to the protests. SMH

    If you want to stay home, stay home.
    If you want to wear a mask, wear a mask.
    If you want to avoid large crowds, avoid large crowds.

    I am not required to descend into poverty for you.
    I am not required to abstain from human contact for you.
    I am not required to shop alone, without my kids, for you.

    I refuse to participate in "quarantine life" until there's an unsafe, untested v@ccine released in eighteen months. I refuse to receive said v@ccine to make others feel more safe. I won't set myself--or my children--on fire to keep you warm. If you're convinced the vaccine is safe and effective, you can get it yourself.

    Some of you are allowing fear and policies devoid of scientifically accurate data to destroy America and ruin your life. I can't control your self-destructive behaviors, but we all have a say in America.

    We need to tell legislators that we demand options. We have a constitutional right to take risks. Life is full of bacteria and viruses--many of which spread before symptoms manifest and after they subside. We have a right to receive OR refuse v@ccines.

    The data was inaccurate at best; purposely overblown to justify government overreach at worst. Stop allowing the government to destroy:
    The Food Supply
    Small Businesses
    Medical Autonomy
    Access to Healthcare
    Religious Gatherings
    Privacy Rights
    Fellowship

    When the "new normal" is filled with starvation, depression, suicide, imprisonment, governmental spying, and pure DESPERATION, the virus is going to look preferable to the world you helped facilitate."


    "Stop allowing the government to destroy..." but also vote for the guy who runs the government.
    The government can't tell me what to do with my body

    Let's get rid of Roe v Wade
  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,491
    dignin said:
    bbiggs said:
    pjl44 said:
    bbiggs said:
    What a shit show this is becoming in the U.S.  Some states are about to open back up, others are extending stay at home orders through the end of May. Give me a break.  No wonder we’re MILES ahead of every country in terms of cases and deaths.  The division here is as great as I’ve ever seen it.  Fucking embarrassing to be honest. 
    You can certainly question an individual state's decision, but this is how it should be. Different states/regions will find themselves in different situations for different reasons. There shouldn't be a blanket approach for the entire country. A big part of the reason we should be looking at regional trends instead of "US numbers."

    Like I said yesterday, my state (MA) is in a relatively worse position than others and we have to live with the fact that we may be behind other states in loosening up. It sucks but it is what it is. 
    If states were opening up for the right reasons, I would agree with this.  That doesn't seem to be the case.  They are not re-opening based on significant declines in cases that makes it "safe" to start that process.  Many are doing so based on the desire to be liberated and free.  I agree that we don't need a blanket approach for a country as large as the U.S., but we should have guidelines that each state follows in terms of when to re-open.  Right now, it is all over the map with each state creating its own set of guidelines.  That doesn't work.  Zero effective leadership from the top.  

    Maybe, I know this is crazy, but there could be some kind of leadership at the federal level to coordinate this. I know, crazy.
    It certainly would be helpful. 
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  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,876
    Mario Kart, Bro
    Clip Clop

    This thread has some funny sayings
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,143
    edited April 2020
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Mario Kart, Bro
    Clip Clop

    This thread has some funny sayings
    How you holding up in 856/609 land?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • SHZA
    SHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,314
    mace1229 said:
    SHZA said:
    mace1229 said:
    bbiggs said:
    What a shit show this is becoming in the U.S.  Some states are about to open back up, others are extending stay at home orders through the end of May. Give me a break.  No wonder we’re MILES ahead of every country in terms of cases and deaths.  The division here is as great as I’ve ever seen it.  Fucking embarrassing to be honest. 
    I haven’t seen stats for about a week, but last I saw I don’t think we were even top 10 per capita. I don’t think we’re number 1 or even close unless you ignore population. Which if you do wouldn’t be an accurate assessment.

    Edit: just looked it up, were #6
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.statista.com/chart/amp/21176/covid-19-infection-density-in-countries-most-total-cases/
    But that's confirmed cases. The true number of US cases is grossly understated because the testing capacity is so abysmal. With widespread testing, we'd be #1 per capita by far. 
    Why do you think it’s so much worse here than everywhere else? We already have a comparable or even better death rate than most countries except Germany. So we’d have to believe our death rate is far better than what it already is if you think that. 
    We’ve also tested 5-10 times as much as most European countries,, which isn’t far off from our population difference.
    So whatever shortage of testing we may have we aren’t alone.
    I check this site every couple of days, has live updates of just about any stat.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    That link shows that USA is pretty far down the list on tests per million people. Fauci himself has admitted that our testing regime has been a clear failure. As for the death rate, someone this morning posted a Times article showing that NYC has 4,000 unaccounted for deaths that are likely attributable to covid19. So there appears to be a large number of both unaccounted cases and unaccounted deaths. And other factors could explain why our death rate may be better than other countries -- such as hospital capacity, quality of treatment, and population characteristics/risk-levels. 
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,876
    mcgruff10 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Mario Kart, Bro
    Clip Clop

    This thread has some funny sayings
    How you holding up in cherry hill? 
    Think we already had the virus and survived but no way to know until testing and it would be a huge relief given our worry about my wife getting it and how it might effect her 
    Luckily nobody we know directly has died from it yet 
    People appear to be behaving responsibly, which is good.
    What about your hood?
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,784
    mfc2006 said:
    wndowpayne said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    How long are some of you willing to be locked down for? As long as it takes? 

    Amazed at all the peeps that can work from home..Easy to judge those that don't have that luxury..
    No judgment here at all. Actually I haven't seen anyone here that's working from home pass judgment on those that can't. 

    I honestly think it sucks that people aren't working. I've seen the direct impact that it's had on friends and family & we try to help them as much as we can.

    That being said, I think that it is irresponsible to open the country/world when there are so many unknowns and because this virus has NOT just disappeared like the president hoped that it would. If I wasn't able to work from home or wasn't working, my opinion would be the same. I'd rather live and wait this out until there are viable treatments options and/or a vaccine. 
    Spot on!
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  • wndowpayne
    wndowpayne Posts: 1,469
    mfc2006 said:
    wndowpayne said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    How long are some of you willing to be locked down for? As long as it takes? 

    Amazed at all the peeps that can work from home..Easy to judge those that don't have that luxury..
    No judgment here at all. Actually I haven't seen anyone here that's working from home pass judgment on those that can't. 

    I honestly think it sucks that people aren't working. I've seen the direct impact that it's had on friends and family & we try to help them as much as we can.

    That being said, I think that it is irresponsible to open the country/world when there are so many unknowns and because this virus has NOT just disappeared like the president hoped that it would. If I wasn't able to work from home or wasn't working, my opinion would be the same. I'd rather live and wait this out until there are viable treatments options and/or a vaccine. 

    "Judge" was probably a bad term to use. I wish everyone could work from home  or stay home but that isnt realistic for those that can't afford to miss a paycheck.I know several people that work in the restaurant buisness and they are reaching a point of  desperation.
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,637
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    great weather so went out for lunch with a friend



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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,143
    F Me In The Brain said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Mario Kart, Bro
    Clip Clop

    This thread has some funny sayings
    How you holding up in cherry hill? 
    Think we already had the virus and survived but no way to know until testing and it would be a huge relief given our worry about my wife getting it and how it might effect her 
    Luckily nobody we know directly has died from it yet 
    People appear to be behaving responsibly, which is good.
    What about your hood?
    Same here.  In february my wife had really bad shortness of breath, felt like someone was sitting on her chest.  Doctor asked her if she had recently visited China and of course she said no.  Got an inhaler and over a few weeks it got better (Dr. said if the shortness of breath got any worse she should head to the er.)  
    She still has some shortness of breath from to time to time.  Her dad had the same exact symptoms right after she got it and I had some sort of virus in early March.  (Chills, sweating, joint ache.)
    Otherwise juggling remote teaching and learning have been quite stressful at times but we are getting through it.  We try to order out once a week to feel normal.  Last night we got Jersey MIke's.  
    Lakewood is directly south of us so our numbers and the surrounding towns have had really high numbers of infections.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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