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To be fair I see and hear quite a few people complain about the TSA and airline rules. Lots of people don’t wear seatbelts on a plane when told to. It’s just not obvious and they usually aren’t singled out. People complain about TSA security all the time, but they know they can’t win so they reluctantly follow the rules. I remember as a kid people wouldn’t wear seatbelts all the time. It took years before it became the norm and everyone did it. I don’t think the reaction to masks are all that different. Hopefully this won’t last 10 years, but if it does I’m guessing it would become the norm and you’d see less resistance.
I could see myself wearing masks when traveling on planes/airports going forward even after COVID is hopefully taken care of. Maybe overkill but what is the harm?
I could see myself wearing masks when traveling on planes/airports going forward even after COVID is hopefully taken care of. Maybe overkill but what is the harm?
People from Asian countries have been doing it for a while. Why not?
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To be fair I see and hear quite a few people complain about the TSA and airline rules. Lots of people don’t wear seatbelts on a plane when told to. It’s just not obvious and they usually aren’t singled out. People complain about TSA security all the time, but they know they can’t win so they reluctantly follow the rules. I remember as a kid people wouldn’t wear seatbelts all the time. It took years before it became the norm and everyone did it. I don’t think the reaction to masks are all that different. Hopefully this won’t last 10 years, but if it does I’m guessing it would become the norm and you’d see less resistance.
The thing is, many people won't even do those things to protect themselves...so why would they do a very simple something that could benefit them, as well as others? It's a fucked up mindset, from what I've seen.
To be fair I see and hear quite a few people complain about the TSA and airline rules. Lots of people don’t wear seatbelts on a plane when told to. It’s just not obvious and they usually aren’t singled out. People complain about TSA security all the time, but they know they can’t win so they reluctantly follow the rules. I remember as a kid people wouldn’t wear seatbelts all the time. It took years before it became the norm and everyone did it. I don’t think the reaction to masks are all that different. Hopefully this won’t last 10 years, but if it does I’m guessing it would become the norm and you’d see less resistance.
Don’t be obtuse. I don’t remember anybody getting shot over either of those.
To be fair I see and hear quite a few people complain about the TSA and airline rules. Lots of people don’t wear seatbelts on a plane when told to. It’s just not obvious and they usually aren’t singled out. People complain about TSA security all the time, but they know they can’t win so they reluctantly follow the rules. I remember as a kid people wouldn’t wear seatbelts all the time. It took years before it became the norm and everyone did it. I don’t think the reaction to masks are all that different. Hopefully this won’t last 10 years, but if it does I’m guessing it would become the norm and you’d see less resistance.
Don’t be obtuse. I don’t remember anybody getting shot over either of those.
What are you talking about? No one talked about people getting shot here. This was in response to a comment about how people don’t complain about TSA and wearing seatbelts. And they do, all the time. Why call me obtuse and bring up shootings?
You’re operating under a fairly obvious false equivalency...ie. obtuse
How so? I didn’t bring up the comparison to TSA and masks. Someone else said why do people complain about masks when they don’t complain about seatbelts and TSA (or essentially said that with a graphic). All I said yes they do complain about those things. That’s it.
How did I make a false equivalency? Speaking of false equivalencies, How is this related to shootings? You didn’t answer that.
You saying that people would eventually get used it because people have gotten used to past restrictions. TSA and seatbelt rules didn’t cause near the level of outrage that this has caused and those restrictions are even more invasive on personal liberty than being told to wear a mask because you might pass a deadly disease.
I’m saying the reaction from those that didn’t agree with those restrictions doesn’t really parallel to the reaction to the mask issue.
It has to do with shootings, because people have been shot over the mask issue and I don’t remember people being shot over the other issues.
You saying that people would eventually get used it because people have gotten used to past restrictions. TSA and seatbelt rules didn’t cause near the level of outrage that this has caused and those restrictions are even more invasive on personal liberty than being told to wear a mask because you might pass a deadly disease.
I’m saying the reaction from those that didn’t agree with those restrictions doesn’t really parallel to the reaction to the mask issue.
It has to do with shootings, because people have been shot over the mask issue and I don’t remember people being shot over the other issues.
I never claimed they paralleled those reactions.
Again, I didn’t make the comparison. Just pointed out that people still complain about those, and was a lot worse when they first started than now. I remember tons of outrage when body scans first started. Maybe not as much as masks, but still a lot.
Someone else brought up the comparison and said people don’t complain about TSA, not me. I pointed out they actually do complain. But just like seatbelts, the complaining will be less in years. Your response was to call be obtuse and bring up guns.
Your reaction of reverting to name calling by me simply pointing out people complain about TSA and other laws just seems like the typical response of “I don’t like what you said and don’t have an argument, so I’ll call you names instead.” The more I give you a chance to explain the more it looks like that was the case. So I think I’m done, back to yard work.
I could see myself wearing masks when traveling on planes/airports going forward even after COVID is hopefully taken care of. Maybe overkill but what is the harm?
Me too for sure. I’m still uncomfortable being indoors any place but my home and work.
Met a nurse that works at Rush hospital in Chicago this weekend. She says that everyday a patient is in the hospital from COVID-19 they are counted as a case. Meaning two people in a hospital for 14 days who test positive are counted as 28 new cases in total. I know others in here work in hospitals, have you seen this?
Met a nurse that works at Rush hospital in Chicago this weekend. She says that everyday a patient is in the hospital from COVID-19 they are counted as a case. Meaning two people in a hospital for 14 days who test positive are counted as 28 new cases in total. I know others in here work in hospitals, have you seen this?
Met a nurse that works at Rush hospital in Chicago this weekend. She says that everyday a patient is in the hospital from COVID-19 they are counted as a case. Meaning two people in a hospital for 14 days who test positive are counted as 28 new cases in total. I know others in here work in hospitals, have you seen this?
Met a nurse that works at Rush hospital in Chicago this weekend. She says that everyday a patient is in the hospital from COVID-19 they are counted as a case. Meaning two people in a hospital for 14 days who test positive are counted as 28 new cases in total. I know others in here work in hospitals, have you seen this?
Met a nurse that works at Rush hospital in Chicago this weekend. She says that everyday a patient is in the hospital from COVID-19 they are counted as a case. Meaning two people in a hospital for 14 days who test positive are counted as 28 new cases in total. I know others in here work in hospitals, have you seen this?
Wow. If accurate, I have no words.
I don't believe it for a second. Unless that nurse works in a kooky hospital. I know there have been a few right-wing news sources trying to say that the number of cases is inflated because of this, or because a patient tests positive, gets a second test for verification, and tests positive again. That isn't counted as 2 cases. It is just one. At least in states that have their shit together. Here's a Verify story from the D.C. area, answering the question. I've seen it answered similarly for other locations:
Met a nurse that works at Rush hospital in Chicago this weekend. She says that everyday a patient is in the hospital from COVID-19 they are counted as a case. Meaning two people in a hospital for 14 days who test positive are counted as 28 new cases in total. I know others in here work in hospitals, have you seen this?
Wow. If accurate, I have no words.
I don't believe it for a second. Unless that nurse works in a kooky hospital. I know there have been a few right-wing news sources trying to say that the number of cases is inflated because of this, or because a patient tests positive, gets a second test for verification, and tests positive again. That isn't counted as 2 cases. It is just one. At least in states that have their shit together. Here's a Verify story from the D.C. area, answering the question. I've seen it answered similarly for other locations:
Met a nurse that works at Rush hospital in Chicago this weekend. She says that everyday a patient is in the hospital from COVID-19 they are counted as a case. Meaning two people in a hospital for 14 days who test positive are counted as 28 new cases in total. I know others in here work in hospitals, have you seen this?
highly highly doubtful
Why would she lie?
Not saying that she's lying, just that she doesn't understand the data collection. There's no reason that a nurse would understand the data collection aspect.
Every day that someone with covid is in hospital is counted as another bed day related to covid, but not another case.
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Met a nurse that works at Rush hospital in Chicago this weekend. She says that everyday a patient is in the hospital from COVID-19 they are counted as a case. Meaning two people in a hospital for 14 days who test positive are counted as 28 new cases in total. I know others in here work in hospitals, have you seen this?
Wow. If accurate, I have no words.
I don't believe it for a second. Unless that nurse works in a kooky hospital. I know there have been a few right-wing news sources trying to say that the number of cases is inflated because of this, or because a patient tests positive, gets a second test for verification, and tests positive again. That isn't counted as 2 cases. It is just one. At least in states that have their shit together. Here's a Verify story from the D.C. area, answering the question. I've seen it answered similarly for other locations:
Rush is a top hospital. Seems unlikely they would handle it this way. I'm just saying if it is true, I'd be speechless.
Exactly. Rush is top notch. No need for her to make up lies. So was curious what others who actually work in hospitals have heard. Not just what is told to us by either side of the news.
Met a nurse that works at Rush hospital in Chicago this weekend. She says that everyday a patient is in the hospital from COVID-19 they are counted as a case. Meaning two people in a hospital for 14 days who test positive are counted as 28 new cases in total. I know others in here work in hospitals, have you seen this?
highly highly doubtful
Why would she lie?
Not saying that she's lying, just that she doesn't understand the data collection. There's no reason that a nurse would understand the data collection aspect.
Every day that someone with covid is in hospital is counted as another bed day related to covid, but not another case.
Do you have first hand knowledge from working in a hospital? It’s really my only question here.
Met a nurse that works at Rush hospital in Chicago this weekend. She says that everyday a patient is in the hospital from COVID-19 they are counted as a case. Meaning two people in a hospital for 14 days who test positive are counted as 28 new cases in total. I know others in here work in hospitals, have you seen this?
highly highly doubtful
Why would she lie?
Not saying that she's lying, just that she doesn't understand the data collection. There's no reason that a nurse would understand the data collection aspect.
Every day that someone with covid is in hospital is counted as another bed day related to covid, but not another case.
Do you have first hand knowledge from working in a hospital? It’s really my only question here.
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https://apple.news/AsS1FG-PDQGmvskCRuHr8-w Unreal how these states that new and saw what happened here in NY NJ CT , just dismissed this crisis and here we are we are fucked this country is in big time trouble!
Met a nurse that works at Rush hospital in Chicago this weekend. She says that everyday a patient is in the hospital from COVID-19 they are counted as a case. Meaning two people in a hospital for 14 days who test positive are counted as 28 new cases in total. I know others in here work in hospitals, have you seen this?
Wow. If accurate, I have no words.
I don't believe it for a second. Unless that nurse works in a kooky hospital. I know there have been a few right-wing news sources trying to say that the number of cases is inflated because of this, or because a patient tests positive, gets a second test for verification, and tests positive again. That isn't counted as 2 cases. It is just one. At least in states that have their shit together. Here's a Verify story from the D.C. area, answering the question. I've seen it answered similarly for other locations:
Rush is a top hospital. Seems unlikely they would handle it this way. I'm just saying if it is true, I'd be speechless.
Exactly. Rush is top notch. No need for her to make up lies. So was curious what others who actually work in hospitals have heard. Not just what is told to us by either side of the news.
I don't work in a hospital, but just reading this immediately shoots up red flags. I've been on plenty of calls with the state health department the past 4 months and never has information been presented this way. First off, it would be horribly inaccurate on all accounts. Not only would it skew the case counts 10x higher than the actual number, but it would also severely underscore the mortality rate. If you take what that nurse said as accurate data collection, then the % of deaths to positive case ratio are much higher and should create a lot more panic.
As for what the news tells us, I only follow what the CDC and local state health agencies are providing. I don't need a left or right news source to tell me what that means I guess. Unfortunate that many do need their "news" to tell them how to think and feel.
I am not optimistic that BC won't be headed the same way. We are to expect more community sparks and although gatherings sizes have been modified, they will not include work or schools. The health minister was spewing more of that kids under 10 are fine crap and that the emotional/social costs will be long lasting if the kids remain out of class.
I am not optimistic that BC won't be headed the same way. We are to expect more community sparks and although gatherings sizes have been modified, they will not include work or schools. The health minister was spewing more of that kids under 10 are fine crap and that the emotional/social costs will be long lasting if the kids remain out of class.
I am not optimistic that BC won't be headed the same way. We are to expect more community sparks and although gatherings sizes have been modified, they will not include work or schools. The health minister was spewing more of that kids under 10 are fine crap and that the emotional/social costs will be long lasting if the kids remain out of class.
I think our biggest risk now (or maybe a month ago) was travel. There were no cases here on Vancouver Island. I think most regions outside the lower mainland had it almost licked too. Even Vancouver had it reduced.
Then we hit summer. Being a tourist destination province, it arrived, and once locals got it, it started to spread again.
Still not 100% why were advocating travel. Aside from tourism being one of the biggest drivers of our economy.
I feel like the government is testing uncharted waters. How far can they open up until cases start to escelate out of control. Trying to see if the population can be responsible on it's own.
I'm not sure they have other choices. We're not 100% a vaccine is going to happen. Governments are going to run out of money to pay people to stay at home. Trial and Erroring how to make this all work was bound to happen.
Met a nurse that works at Rush hospital in Chicago this weekend. She says that everyday a patient is in the hospital from COVID-19 they are counted as a case. Meaning two people in a hospital for 14 days who test positive are counted as 28 new cases in total. I know others in here work in hospitals, have you seen this?
I met a nurse that works at a General Hospital in make believe land. He says that every day the restrictions last, people fine new refreshing ways to spread bullshit.
I tried navigating the CDC's website looking for deaths per day and could not locate it.
Something else I am not hearing about is overcrowding of hospitals like we had here in NY. Houston was a blip then nothing more. Is this second wave not doing the damage the first one did?
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Why call me obtuse and bring up shootings?
How did I make a false equivalency?
Speaking of false equivalencies, How is this related to shootings? You didn’t answer that.
It has to do with shootings, because people have been shot over the mask issue and I don’t remember people being shot over the other issues.
Someone else brought up the comparison and said people don’t complain about TSA, not me. I pointed out they actually do complain. But just like seatbelts, the complaining will be less in years. Your response was to call be obtuse and bring up guns.
Your reaction of reverting to name calling by me simply pointing out people complain about TSA and other laws just seems like the typical response of “I don’t like what you said and don’t have an argument, so I’ll call you names instead.” The more I give you a chance to explain the more it looks like that was the case. So I think I’m done, back to yard work.
highly highly doubtful
VERIFY: DMV COVID numbers do not count multiple cases for the same person
Not saying that she's lying, just that she doesn't understand the data collection. There's no reason that a nurse would understand the data collection aspect.
Every day that someone with covid is in hospital is counted as another bed day related to covid, but not another case.
Unreal how these states that new and saw what happened here in NY NJ CT , just dismissed this crisis and here we are we are fucked this country is in big time trouble!
As for what the news tells us, I only follow what the CDC and local state health agencies are providing. I don't need a left or right news source to tell me what that means I guess. Unfortunate that many do need their "news" to tell them how to think and feel.
Something else I am not hearing about is overcrowding of hospitals like we had here in NY. Houston was a blip then nothing more. Is this second wave not doing the damage the first one did?