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Karen McDougalpjl44 said:
Which ones? I only remember Stormy Daniels, which was a consensual affair.mrussel1 said:
Weren't those accusations very public in 16?pjl44 said:
By that logic, which accusations against Trump were leveraged by Cruz or Rubio? If they didn't run with any, we can assume he's clean?mrussel1 said:Well it brings up a curious point. This allegation has been out there for a year, shopped to various outlets and lawyers. There's no doubt that Sanders team has researched it in full. Yet they never brought it up and he suspended his campaign. That strikes me as they see it lacks merit. Sanders will have had oppo research look into this for sure.
And this is very public, too. If Cruz and Rubio didn't run with the very public accusations, then I guess we are also to believe that there is nothing to them.
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Win at all costs, and hide the dirty laundry as long as you can. Replacing Trump with a Dem is all they care about, even if that means backing a potential sexual predator who also seems to have a thing for sniffing children. Remember though, they care about the people first and foremost...sure. DC is vile.mrussel1 said:Well it brings up a curious point. This allegation has been out there for a year, shopped to various outlets and lawyers. There's no doubt that Sanders team has researched it in full. Yet they never brought it up and he suspended his campaign. That strikes me as they see it lacks merit. Sanders will have had oppo research look into this for sure.Another unproven accusation. This must be "a thing" these days.So do you support Trump and his "pussy grabbing" ( a proven by his own words accusation)?"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
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I’m saying the accusations against Trump were litigated in the press and likely baked into the numbers. While perhaps theSanders campaign laid off the issue, even if they found them credible ( no evidence of that), it doesn’t explain why he chose now to suspend the campaign. If they thought they were credible, why not wait it out?pjl44 said:
Which ones? I only remember Stormy Daniels, which was a consensual affair.mrussel1 said:
Weren't those accusations very public in 16?pjl44 said:
By that logic, which accusations against Trump were leveraged by Cruz or Rubio? If they didn't run with any, we can assume he's clean?mrussel1 said:Well it brings up a curious point. This allegation has been out there for a year, shopped to various outlets and lawyers. There's no doubt that Sanders team has researched it in full. Yet they never brought it up and he suspended his campaign. That strikes me as they see it lacks merit. Sanders will have had oppo research look into this for sure.
And this is very public, too. If Cruz and Rubio didn't run with the very public accusations, then I guess we are also to believe that there is nothing to them.Post edited by mrussel1 on0 -
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Also a consensual affairmickeyrat said:
Karen McDougalpjl44 said:
Which ones? I only remember Stormy Daniels, which was a consensual affair.mrussel1 said:
Weren't those accusations very public in 16?pjl44 said:
By that logic, which accusations against Trump were leveraged by Cruz or Rubio? If they didn't run with any, we can assume he's clean?mrussel1 said:Well it brings up a curious point. This allegation has been out there for a year, shopped to various outlets and lawyers. There's no doubt that Sanders team has researched it in full. Yet they never brought it up and he suspended his campaign. That strikes me as they see it lacks merit. Sanders will have had oppo research look into this for sure.
And this is very public, too. If Cruz and Rubio didn't run with the very public accusations, then I guess we are also to believe that there is nothing to them.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/donald-trump-a-playboy-model-and-a-system-for-concealing-infidelity-national-enquirer-karen-mcdougal
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Burisma isn’t close to being a credible issue. It damages the integrity of her post.pjl44 said:
Here's Bernie's Press Secretary calling the allegations crediblemrussel1 said:Well it brings up a curious point. This allegation has been out there for a year, shopped to various outlets and lawyers. There's no doubt that Sanders team has researched it in full. Yet they never brought it up and he suspended his campaign. That strikes me as they see it lacks merit. Sanders will have had oppo research look into this for sure.0 -
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Yeah, agree totally on Burisma but that's not the point. We're talking about the sexual assault allegations. We don't have to speculate on what the Bernie campaign thought of them. She's telling us.mrussel1 said:
Burisma isn’t close to being a credible issue. It damages the integrity of her post.pjl44 said:
Here's Bernie's Press Secretary calling the allegations crediblemrussel1 said:Well it brings up a curious point. This allegation has been out there for a year, shopped to various outlets and lawyers. There's no doubt that Sanders team has researched it in full. Yet they never brought it up and he suspended his campaign. That strikes me as they see it lacks merit. Sanders will have had oppo research look into this for sure.0 -
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I don’t know that she speaks for the campaign. She’s listed as “former”. The fact that she thinks Burisma is credible calls into question her general judgment on the issue.pjl44 said:
Yeah, agree totally on Burisma but that's not the point. We're talking about the sexual assault allegations. We don't have to speculate on what the Bernie campaign thought of them. She's telling us.mrussel1 said:
Burisma isn’t close to being a credible issue. It damages the integrity of her post.pjl44 said:
Here's Bernie's Press Secretary calling the allegations crediblemrussel1 said:Well it brings up a curious point. This allegation has been out there for a year, shopped to various outlets and lawyers. There's no doubt that Sanders team has researched it in full. Yet they never brought it up and he suspended his campaign. That strikes me as they see it lacks merit. Sanders will have had oppo research look into this for sure.0 -
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Former because the campaign is suspended. Come on, man. This isn't difficult stuff to confirm. Just Google her name if you need to see piles of articles.mrussel1 said:
I don’t know that she speaks for the campaign. She’s listed as “former”. The fact that she thinks Burisma is credible calls into question her general judgment on the issue.pjl44 said:
Yeah, agree totally on Burisma but that's not the point. We're talking about the sexual assault allegations. We don't have to speculate on what the Bernie campaign thought of them. She's telling us.mrussel1 said:
Burisma isn’t close to being a credible issue. It damages the integrity of her post.pjl44 said:
Here's Bernie's Press Secretary calling the allegations crediblemrussel1 said:Well it brings up a curious point. This allegation has been out there for a year, shopped to various outlets and lawyers. There's no doubt that Sanders team has researched it in full. Yet they never brought it up and he suspended his campaign. That strikes me as they see it lacks merit. Sanders will have had oppo research look into this for sure.
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I know she's former, so she no longer speaks for the campaign. That's my point. She also works for the Intercept, who are the ones that gave new life to the story two weeks ago.pjl44 said:
Former because the campaign is suspended. Come on, man. This isn't difficult stuff to confirm. Just Google her name if you need to see piles of articles.mrussel1 said:
I don’t know that she speaks for the campaign. She’s listed as “former”. The fact that she thinks Burisma is credible calls into question her general judgment on the issue.pjl44 said:
Yeah, agree totally on Burisma but that's not the point. We're talking about the sexual assault allegations. We don't have to speculate on what the Bernie campaign thought of them. She's telling us.mrussel1 said:
Burisma isn’t close to being a credible issue. It damages the integrity of her post.pjl44 said:
Here's Bernie's Press Secretary calling the allegations crediblemrussel1 said:Well it brings up a curious point. This allegation has been out there for a year, shopped to various outlets and lawyers. There's no doubt that Sanders team has researched it in full. Yet they never brought it up and he suspended his campaign. That strikes me as they see it lacks merit. Sanders will have had oppo research look into this for sure.0 -
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I clearly said potential. I would say that an allegation of rape should be getting equal attention at the very least as the recording of what trump said did. Why that isn’t the case seems very strange to me.brianlux said:JW269453 said:
Win at all costs, and hide the dirty laundry as long as you can. Replacing Trump with a Dem is all they care about, even if that means backing a potential sexual predator who also seems to have a thing for sniffing children. Remember though, they care about the people first and foremost...sure. DC is vile.mrussel1 said:Well it brings up a curious point. This allegation has been out there for a year, shopped to various outlets and lawyers. There's no doubt that Sanders team has researched it in full. Yet they never brought it up and he suspended his campaign. That strikes me as they see it lacks merit. Sanders will have had oppo research look into this for sure.Another unproven accusation. This must be "a thing" these days.So do you support Trump and his "pussy grabbing" ( a proven by his own words accusation)?0 -
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I guess I just don't see how any of this makes the story less believable (beyond its own merits).mrussel1 said:
I know she's former, so she no longer speaks for the campaign. That's my point. She also works for the Intercept, who are the ones that gave new life to the story two weeks ago.pjl44 said:
Former because the campaign is suspended. Come on, man. This isn't difficult stuff to confirm. Just Google her name if you need to see piles of articles.mrussel1 said:
I don’t know that she speaks for the campaign. She’s listed as “former”. The fact that she thinks Burisma is credible calls into question her general judgment on the issue.pjl44 said:
Yeah, agree totally on Burisma but that's not the point. We're talking about the sexual assault allegations. We don't have to speculate on what the Bernie campaign thought of them. She's telling us.mrussel1 said:
Burisma isn’t close to being a credible issue. It damages the integrity of her post.pjl44 said:
Here's Bernie's Press Secretary calling the allegations crediblemrussel1 said:Well it brings up a curious point. This allegation has been out there for a year, shopped to various outlets and lawyers. There's no doubt that Sanders team has researched it in full. Yet they never brought it up and he suspended his campaign. That strikes me as they see it lacks merit. Sanders will have had oppo research look into this for sure.0 -
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You know, on second thought:mrussel1 said:
I know she's former, so she no longer speaks for the campaign. That's my point. She also works for the Intercept, who are the ones that gave new life to the story two weeks ago.pjl44 said:
Former because the campaign is suspended. Come on, man. This isn't difficult stuff to confirm. Just Google her name if you need to see piles of articles.mrussel1 said:
I don’t know that she speaks for the campaign. She’s listed as “former”. The fact that she thinks Burisma is credible calls into question her general judgment on the issue.pjl44 said:
Yeah, agree totally on Burisma but that's not the point. We're talking about the sexual assault allegations. We don't have to speculate on what the Bernie campaign thought of them. She's telling us.mrussel1 said:
Burisma isn’t close to being a credible issue. It damages the integrity of her post.pjl44 said:
Here's Bernie's Press Secretary calling the allegations crediblemrussel1 said:Well it brings up a curious point. This allegation has been out there for a year, shopped to various outlets and lawyers. There's no doubt that Sanders team has researched it in full. Yet they never brought it up and he suspended his campaign. That strikes me as they see it lacks merit. Sanders will have had oppo research look into this for sure.
Getting back to your original point, if the publication that you say gave this story new life just happens to be the former employer of Bernie's Press Secretary, wouldn't that lead you to believe that they DID actively try to use this against Biden?0 -
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It's possible. That's a way to look at it. Are you saying that they find it to be meritorious or not?pjl44 said:
You know, on second thought:mrussel1 said:
I know she's former, so she no longer speaks for the campaign. That's my point. She also works for the Intercept, who are the ones that gave new life to the story two weeks ago.pjl44 said:
Former because the campaign is suspended. Come on, man. This isn't difficult stuff to confirm. Just Google her name if you need to see piles of articles.mrussel1 said:
I don’t know that she speaks for the campaign. She’s listed as “former”. The fact that she thinks Burisma is credible calls into question her general judgment on the issue.pjl44 said:
Yeah, agree totally on Burisma but that's not the point. We're talking about the sexual assault allegations. We don't have to speculate on what the Bernie campaign thought of them. She's telling us.mrussel1 said:
Burisma isn’t close to being a credible issue. It damages the integrity of her post.pjl44 said:
Here's Bernie's Press Secretary calling the allegations crediblemrussel1 said:Well it brings up a curious point. This allegation has been out there for a year, shopped to various outlets and lawyers. There's no doubt that Sanders team has researched it in full. Yet they never brought it up and he suspended his campaign. That strikes me as they see it lacks merit. Sanders will have had oppo research look into this for sure.
Getting back to your original point, if the publication that you say gave this story new life just happens to be the former employer of Bernie's Press Secretary, wouldn't that lead you to believe that they DID actively try to use this against Biden?0 -
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She doesn’t say if she thinks Burisma is credible or not. She’s only listing it as something that could have been used as a possible attack on Biden’s electability argument.mrussel1 said:
I don’t know that she speaks for the campaign. She’s listed as “former”. The fact that she thinks Burisma is credible calls into question her general judgment on the issue.pjl44 said:
Yeah, agree totally on Burisma but that's not the point. We're talking about the sexual assault allegations. We don't have to speculate on what the Bernie campaign thought of them. She's telling us.mrussel1 said:
Burisma isn’t close to being a credible issue. It damages the integrity of her post.pjl44 said:
Here's Bernie's Press Secretary calling the allegations crediblemrussel1 said:Well it brings up a curious point. This allegation has been out there for a year, shopped to various outlets and lawyers. There's no doubt that Sanders team has researched it in full. Yet they never brought it up and he suspended his campaign. That strikes me as they see it lacks merit. Sanders will have had oppo research look into this for sure.0 -
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You may be an expert, and I am not. But please show me statistics on sexual assault/abuse and how certain it is that the accuser mentions it to co-workers. As in it being an unlikely thing to happen if they do not chitchat about it with coworkers?Gern Blansten said:It's bullshit...I think it was the NY Times or WP that had an article on it this morning that mentioned they talked with co-workers of the accuser and she never mentioned it to them.
Not to say that means it didn't happen....it is just unlikely.
My sparse knowledge on women reacting to these kind of things -- and in the early 90s to boot -- the era where @mrussel1 says acting like Bloomberg against women was not anything out of the ordinary and where men behaved like Joe himself and his friends against Anita Hill -- is that it would not be unlikely to not chitchat about your boss sticking his hand inside your vagina against your will, with colleagues.
I think, saying it is unlikely it happened because she did not bring it up to anyone or in this case anyone but her most trusted (mom, brother, best friends) is a slap in the face on women to be honest.
Did Christine Bailey Ford chitchat with her co-workers, or at the time all of her classmates about being assaulted?
Ask around your female relatives and female friends. Did they?
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You may be an expert, and I am not. But please show me statistics on sexual assault/abuse and how certain it is that the accuser mentions it to co-workers. As in it being an unlikely thing to happen if they do not chitchat about it with coworkers?Gern Blansten said:It's bullshit...I think it was the NY Times or WP that had an article on it this morning that mentioned they talked with co-workers of the accuser and she never mentioned it to them.
Not to say that means it didn't happen....it is just unlikely.
My sparse knowledge on women reacting to these kind of things -- and in the early 90s to boot -- the era where @mrussel1 says acting like Bloomberg against women was not anything out of the ordinary and where men behaved like Joe himself and his friends against Anita Hill -- is that it would not be unlikely to not chitchat about your boss sticking his hand inside your vagina against your will, with colleagues.
I think, saying it is unlikely it happened because she did not bring it up to anyone or in this case anyone but her most trusted (mom, brother, best friends) is a slap in the face on women to be honest.
Did Christine Bailey Ford chitchat with her co-workers, or at the time all of her classmates about being assaulted?
Ask around your female relatives and female friends. Did they?
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I think you are capable of doing your own research. Although it's Christine Blasey Ford.
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Did Bernie endorse Biden yet?
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I'm sitting this one outCM189191 said:Did Bernie endorse Biden yet?
Bernie needs to endorse Biden.
Has Biden dropped out yet?
Biden should drop out
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