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Biden
Why the hostility? I wouldn't vote for that douchebag ever...Halifax2TheMax said:
The Berniebrosises don’t seem to want to work within the dem party nor to rally around “their party’s” nominee, so yea, leave and don’t fuck it up for us true dems.myoung321 said:
sorry... quoted conversation... but if you wanna own it.. Did shame work in 2016?Halifax2TheMax said:
but you quoted me in your response and numbered your counter argument as if you were replying directly to me.myoung321 said:
I never said you.... I use the term Progressive in that sentence, because it's not a political party....Halifax2TheMax said:
Did I say “progressives follow Bernie blindly?” No, I said any Berniebrosises that determine how they vote based on this website or any other social media post is an indicator of how fucked we are. And, if you can’t see the choice before you and the ramifications of that choice, ie the bigger picture, then you’re (you in the general sense) are a DINO and part of the problem.myoung321 said:
Facts Matter--Halifax2TheMax said:
You could have said that in your first response and maybe not have been so bored?nicknyr15 said:
Haaaa. Sure thing pal. Not a chance. Here’s my point.Halifax2TheMax said:
Weak. And frightened.nicknyr15 said:
BoringHalifax2TheMax said:
Not so boring that it didn’t engage you now, right? State your case. Make your point. Defend it. But please stop complaining.nicknyr15 said:
The constant repeating is pointless and boring.Halifax2TheMax said:What Bernie is doing is stupid. I agree. I really do. We are divided enough. To create division within your own party is insane to me. But those posts come off as pretentious. Which will create further division. A Bernie supporter who sees those constant posts will get deterred. And doesn’t that defeat the whole purpose? Isn’t it supposed to be unite to defeat trump? Nobody like to be spoken to like that.
To your point, if a Bernie supporter is going to determine how they vote based on what a poster on a band’s message board says, or from a twitter feed or faceturd threads and posts, then there really is no hope. Bernie should now be trying to convince his followers as hard as possible to do the right thing and get behind Biden and get Team Trump Treason out of the White House. And until that happens or until Bernie supporters pull the lever for Sleepy Woke Joe, they’re nothing more than DINOs and illustrate that they really don’t care about the ideals they claim to be champions of, scorn, arrogance and sexual harassment notwithstanding in their way of politicking.
1) Shaming fellow voters didn't work in 2016...
2) Thinking Progressives just follow Bernie blindly is shallow thinking... (see #1 again)
3) It's the candidates job to convince voters in order to win a particular sector of the electorate... (see #1 again)
4) A "Corporate Democrat" doesn't mean you're a supporter of the Democratic Party that works for a Corporation... I'd use rollings eyes on this one, but it would be rude... (see #1 again)
Interesting that you use the term “progressive” and not democrat. Why is that? Maybe it’s time you Berniebrosises started your own damn political party and stop trying to hijack the dems and complain when it fails? Infuckingsufferable.
Politics is a rude game. Get used to it. See the snake emoji for context.
Can progressives support Sleepy woke joe? Because if progressives are going to be so “pure,” they need to start their own political party.
So your idea is "Love it or Leave it!" "Agree with me or get the fuck out!"... Sorry, but I prefer to work to make it better for all...
You want even more partisanship within your own party? Not a winning strategy...
Shame of who? Bernie supporters who’s candidate lost? Or the Deplorables? How should we refer to Team Trump Treason supporters? I’m still with Hillary. Seems you never were? I have no problem “owning it.”
You can’t even begin to “work to make it better for all,” if you can’t rally around and behind the party that you claim as your own, or more likely have decided to hijack because it’s easier than starting your own pure as the driven snow party.
Back to facts, after the past three and a half years and seeing how Team Trump Treason and his administration have conducted themselves, that anyone would pull the lever for him or need convincing from the opposition candidate before voting is a cop out and to claim ignorance of the facts. That’s partisanship for you.
You can’t see the forest for the weeds. Good luck with that.
Relax... Have a nice day!
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BidenSome good poll data regarding a critical Trump constituency.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/492300-biden-sees-opening-over-trump-with-older-voters
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Biden
That is good news.mrussel1 said:Some good poll data regarding a critical Trump constituency.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/492300-biden-sees-opening-over-trump-with-older-voters
Rasmussen has Trump's approval at 43% too. 13 points under water.www.myspace.com0 -
Biden
💯myoung321 said:
Facts Matter--Halifax2TheMax said:
You could have said that in your first response and maybe not have been so bored?nicknyr15 said:
Haaaa. Sure thing pal. Not a chance. Here’s my point.Halifax2TheMax said:
Weak. And frightened.nicknyr15 said:
BoringHalifax2TheMax said:
Not so boring that it didn’t engage you now, right? State your case. Make your point. Defend it. But please stop complaining.nicknyr15 said:
The constant repeating is pointless and boring.Halifax2TheMax said:What Bernie is doing is stupid. I agree. I really do. We are divided enough. To create division within your own party is insane to me. But those posts come off as pretentious. Which will create further division. A Bernie supporter who sees those constant posts will get deterred. And doesn’t that defeat the whole purpose? Isn’t it supposed to be unite to defeat trump? Nobody like to be spoken to like that.
To your point, if a Bernie supporter is going to determine how they vote based on what a poster on a band’s message board says, or from a twitter feed or faceturd threads and posts, then there really is no hope. Bernie should now be trying to convince his followers as hard as possible to do the right thing and get behind Biden and get Team Trump Treason out of the White House. And until that happens or until Bernie supporters pull the lever for Sleepy Woke Joe, they’re nothing more than DINOs and illustrate that they really don’t care about the ideals they claim to be champions of, scorn, arrogance and sexual harassment notwithstanding in their way of politicking.
1) Shaming fellow voters didn't work in 2016...
2) Thinking Progressives just follow Bernie blindly is shallow thinking... (see #1 again)
3) It's the candidates job to convince voters in order to win a particular sector of the electorate... (see #1 again)
4) A "Corporate Democrat" doesn't mean you're a supporter of the Democratic Party that works for a Corporation... I'd use rollings eyes on this one, but it would be rude... (see #1 again)Post edited by Kat onScio me nihil scire
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Biden
How about you define a corporate democrat for me since MyYoung won’t answer. Also, why is okay for Sanders and supporters to insult Democrats but “shaming voters” is not okay?static111 said:
💯myoung321 said:
Facts Matter--Halifax2TheMax said:
You could have said that in your first response and maybe not have been so bored?nicknyr15 said:
Haaaa. Sure thing pal. Not a chance. Here’s my point.Halifax2TheMax said:
Weak. And frightened.nicknyr15 said:
BoringHalifax2TheMax said:
Not so boring that it didn’t engage you now, right? State your case. Make your point. Defend it. But please stop complaining.nicknyr15 said:
The constant repeating is pointless and boring.Halifax2TheMax said:What Bernie is doing is stupid. I agree. I really do. We are divided enough. To create division within your own party is insane to me. But those posts come off as pretentious. Which will create further division. A Bernie supporter who sees those constant posts will get deterred. And doesn’t that defeat the whole purpose? Isn’t it supposed to be unite to defeat trump? Nobody like to be spoken to like that.
To your point, if a Bernie supporter is going to determine how they vote based on what a poster on a band’s message board says, or from a twitter feed or faceturd threads and posts, then there really is no hope. Bernie should now be trying to convince his followers as hard as possible to do the right thing and get behind Biden and get Team Trump Treason out of the White House. And until that happens or until Bernie supporters pull the lever for Sleepy Woke Joe, they’re nothing more than DINOs and illustrate that they really don’t care about the ideals they claim to be champions of, scorn, arrogance and sexual harassment notwithstanding in their way of politicking.
1) Shaming fellow voters didn't work in 2016...
2) Thinking Progressives just follow Bernie blindly is shallow thinking... (see #1 again)
3) It's the candidates job to convince voters in order to win a particular sector of the electorate... (see #1 again)
4) A "Corporate Democrat" doesn't mean you're a supporter of the Democratic Party that works for a Corporation... I'd use rollings eyes on this one, but it would be rude... (see #1 again)Post edited by Kat on0 -
I’m sorry that you find reality hostile.myoung321 said:
Why the hostility? I wouldn't vote for that douchebag ever...Halifax2TheMax said:
The Berniebrosises don’t seem to want to work within the dem party nor to rally around “their party’s” nominee, so yea, leave and don’t fuck it up for us true dems.myoung321 said:
sorry... quoted conversation... but if you wanna own it.. Did shame work in 2016?Halifax2TheMax said:
but you quoted me in your response and numbered your counter argument as if you were replying directly to me.myoung321 said:
I never said you.... I use the term Progressive in that sentence, because it's not a political party....Halifax2TheMax said:
Did I say “progressives follow Bernie blindly?” No, I said any Berniebrosises that determine how they vote based on this website or any other social media post is an indicator of how fucked we are. And, if you can’t see the choice before you and the ramifications of that choice, ie the bigger picture, then you’re (you in the general sense) are a DINO and part of the problem.myoung321 said:
Facts Matter--Halifax2TheMax said:
You could have said that in your first response and maybe not have been so bored?nicknyr15 said:
Haaaa. Sure thing pal. Not a chance. Here’s my point.Halifax2TheMax said:
Weak. And frightened.nicknyr15 said:
BoringHalifax2TheMax said:
Not so boring that it didn’t engage you now, right? State your case. Make your point. Defend it. But please stop complaining.nicknyr15 said:
The constant repeating is pointless and boring.Halifax2TheMax said:What Bernie is doing is stupid. I agree. I really do. We are divided enough. To create division within your own party is insane to me. But those posts come off as pretentious. Which will create further division. A Bernie supporter who sees those constant posts will get deterred. And doesn’t that defeat the whole purpose? Isn’t it supposed to be unite to defeat trump? Nobody like to be spoken to like that.
To your point, if a Bernie supporter is going to determine how they vote based on what a poster on a band’s message board says, or from a twitter feed or faceturd threads and posts, then there really is no hope. Bernie should now be trying to convince his followers as hard as possible to do the right thing and get behind Biden and get Team Trump Treason out of the White House. And until that happens or until Bernie supporters pull the lever for Sleepy Woke Joe, they’re nothing more than DINOs and illustrate that they really don’t care about the ideals they claim to be champions of, scorn, arrogance and sexual harassment notwithstanding in their way of politicking.
1) Shaming fellow voters didn't work in 2016...
2) Thinking Progressives just follow Bernie blindly is shallow thinking... (see #1 again)
3) It's the candidates job to convince voters in order to win a particular sector of the electorate... (see #1 again)
4) A "Corporate Democrat" doesn't mean you're a supporter of the Democratic Party that works for a Corporation... I'd use rollings eyes on this one, but it would be rude... (see #1 again)
Interesting that you use the term “progressive” and not democrat. Why is that? Maybe it’s time you Berniebrosises started your own damn political party and stop trying to hijack the dems and complain when it fails? Infuckingsufferable.
Politics is a rude game. Get used to it. See the snake emoji for context.
Can progressives support Sleepy woke joe? Because if progressives are going to be so “pure,” they need to start their own political party.
So your idea is "Love it or Leave it!" "Agree with me or get the fuck out!"... Sorry, but I prefer to work to make it better for all...
You want even more partisanship within your own party? Not a winning strategy...
Shame of who? Bernie supporters who’s candidate lost? Or the Deplorables? How should we refer to Team Trump Treason supporters? I’m still with Hillary. Seems you never were? I have no problem “owning it.”
You can’t even begin to “work to make it better for all,” if you can’t rally around and behind the party that you claim as your own, or more likely have decided to hijack because it’s easier than starting your own pure as the driven snow party.
Back to facts, after the past three and a half years and seeing how Team Trump Treason and his administration have conducted themselves, that anyone would pull the lever for him or need convincing from the opposition candidate before voting is a cop out and to claim ignorance of the facts. That’s partisanship for you.
You can’t see the forest for the weeds. Good luck with that.
Relax... Have a nice day!
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Biden
Considering the Rally around the flag” effect, those numbers are atrocious.The Juggler said:
That is good news.mrussel1 said:Some good poll data regarding a critical Trump constituency.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/492300-biden-sees-opening-over-trump-with-older-voters
Rasmussen has Trump's approval at 43% too. 13 points under water.0 -
I'm sitting this one out
The heyday of insulting was just before Super Tuesdaymrussel1 said:
How about you define a corporate democrat for me since MyYoung won’t answer. Also, why is okay for Sanders and supporters to insult Democrats but “shaming voters” is not okay?static111 said:
💯myoung321 said:
Facts Matter--Halifax2TheMax said:
You could have said that in your first response and maybe not have been so bored?nicknyr15 said:
Haaaa. Sure thing pal. Not a chance. Here’s my point.Halifax2TheMax said:
Weak. And frightened.nicknyr15 said:
BoringHalifax2TheMax said:
Not so boring that it didn’t engage you now, right? State your case. Make your point. Defend it. But please stop complaining.nicknyr15 said:
The constant repeating is pointless and boring.Halifax2TheMax said:What Bernie is doing is stupid. I agree. I really do. We are divided enough. To create division within your own party is insane to me. But those posts come off as pretentious. Which will create further division. A Bernie supporter who sees those constant posts will get deterred. And doesn’t that defeat the whole purpose? Isn’t it supposed to be unite to defeat trump? Nobody like to be spoken to like that.
To your point, if a Berniebrosis is going to determine how they vote based on what a poster on a band’s message board says, or from a twitter feed or faceturd threads and posts, then there really is no hope. Bernie should now be trying to convince his followers as hard as possible to do the right thing and get behind Biden and get Team Trump Treason out of the White House. And until that happens or until Berniebrosises pull the lever for Sleepy Woke Joe, they’re nothing more than DINOs and illustrate that they really don’t care about the ideals they claim to be champions of, scorn, arrogance and sexual harassment notwithstanding in their way of politicking.
1) Shaming fellow voters didn't work in 2016...
2) Thinking Progressives just follow Bernie blindly is shallow thinking... (see #1 again)
3) It's the candidates job to convince voters in order to win a particular sector of the electorate... (see #1 again)
4) A "Corporate Democrat" doesn't mean you're a supporter of the Democratic Party that works for a Corporation... I'd use rollings eyes on this one, but it would be rude... (see #1 again)
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Is corporate democrat a term that makes you feel shame. I think it’s a statement. My understanding and this is my own I don’t know if it is bernies or other sanders supporters is that corporate Democrat is the type of neo liberal that though slightly more socially liberal than republicans tends to favor and create bills and legislation that favor big business over small businesses and people. All the while in effect subscribing to the same theory that ‘trickle down’ economics works without ever coming out and saying so. To vocalize that they are pro union and worker protection but standing by and doing nothing but throwing up their hands while Rs strip said protections away. Taking huge amounts of money from companies for their re election war chests and pretending that that funding doesn’t sway their decisions. Patting themselves on the back for making horrible republican legislation that was going to pass anyway incrementally better instead of just shutting it down. That’s what I view the term meaning. Is that all Democrats? No is that all people employed by corporations that are Democrats? No. Is there a majority among elected officials with a big blue D out there serving corporations instead of people. Well in my view yes.mrussel1 said:
How about you define a corporate democrat for me since MyYoung won’t answer. Also, why is okay for Sanders and supporters to insult Democrats but “shaming voters” is not okay?static111 said:
💯myoung321 said:
Facts Matter--Halifax2TheMax said:
You could have said that in your first response and maybe not have been so bored?nicknyr15 said:
Haaaa. Sure thing pal. Not a chance. Here’s my point.Halifax2TheMax said:
Weak. And frightened.nicknyr15 said:
BoringHalifax2TheMax said:
Not so boring that it didn’t engage you now, right? State your case. Make your point. Defend it. But please stop complaining.nicknyr15 said:
The constant repeating is pointless and boring.Halifax2TheMax said:What Bernie is doing is stupid. I agree. I really do. We are divided enough. To create division within your own party is insane to me. But those posts come off as pretentious. Which will create further division. A Bernie supporter who sees those constant posts will get deterred. And doesn’t that defeat the whole purpose? Isn’t it supposed to be unite to defeat trump? Nobody like to be spoken to like that.
To your point, if a Berniebrosis is going to determine how they vote based on what a poster on a band’s message board says, or from a twitter feed or faceturd threads and posts, then there really is no hope. Bernie should now be trying to convince his followers as hard as possible to do the right thing and get behind Biden and get Team Trump Treason out of the White House. And until that happens or until Berniebrosises pull the lever for Sleepy Woke Joe, they’re nothing more than DINOs and illustrate that they really don’t care about the ideals they claim to be champions of, scorn, arrogance and sexual harassment notwithstanding in their way of politicking.
1) Shaming fellow voters didn't work in 2016...
2) Thinking Progressives just follow Bernie blindly is shallow thinking... (see #1 again)
3) It's the candidates job to convince voters in order to win a particular sector of the electorate... (see #1 again)
4) A "Corporate Democrat" doesn't mean you're a supporter of the Democratic Party that works for a Corporation... I'd use rollings eyes on this one, but it would be rude... (see #1 again)Scio me nihil scire
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Bidenhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_members_of_the_United_States_Congress_by_wealth15 Ds on this list to start with. It takes huge amounts of money to run a campaign and get a position in Congress. There are a disproportionate amount of representative of both parties that share the same economic status as the majority of Americans, Bernie included. I don’t see how people who run for a job funded by big donors wouldn’t be swayed to make decisions to keep those big donations coming in at the expense of the average working class person or person in poverty.Scio me nihil scire
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Would you include the Democrats that voted for Trump's tax cuts in that assessment? Because that number is precisely zero. So who are these mythical corporate Democrats? And what are the bills they voted for in the recent past? Name names and bills. There must be some.static111 said:
Is corporate democrat a term that makes you feel shame. I think it’s a statement. My understanding and this is my own I don’t know if it is bernies or other sanders supporters is that corporate Democrat is the type of neo liberal that though slightly more socially liberal than republicans tends to favor and create bills and legislation that favor big business over small businesses and people. All the while in effect subscribing to the same theory that ‘trickle down’ economics works without ever coming out and saying so. To vocalize that they are pro union and worker protection but standing by and doing nothing but throwing up their hands while Rs strip said protections away. Taking huge amounts of money from companies for their re election war chests and pretending that that funding doesn’t sway their decisions. Patting themselves on the back for making horrible republican legislation that was going to pass anyway incrementally better instead of just shutting it down. That’s what I view the term meaning. Is that all Democrats? No is that all people employed by corporations that are Democrats? No. Is there a majority among elected officials with a big blue D out there serving corporations instead of people. Well in my view yes.mrussel1 said:
How about you define a corporate democrat for me since MyYoung won’t answer. Also, why is okay for Sanders and supporters to insult Democrats but “shaming voters” is not okay?static111 said:
💯myoung321 said:
Facts Matter--Halifax2TheMax said:
You could have said that in your first response and maybe not have been so bored?nicknyr15 said:
Haaaa. Sure thing pal. Not a chance. Here’s my point.Halifax2TheMax said:
Weak. And frightened.nicknyr15 said:
BoringHalifax2TheMax said:
Not so boring that it didn’t engage you now, right? State your case. Make your point. Defend it. But please stop complaining.nicknyr15 said:
The constant repeating is pointless and boring.Halifax2TheMax said:What Bernie is doing is stupid. I agree. I really do. We are divided enough. To create division within your own party is insane to me. But those posts come off as pretentious. Which will create further division. A Bernie supporter who sees those constant posts will get deterred. And doesn’t that defeat the whole purpose? Isn’t it supposed to be unite to defeat trump? Nobody like to be spoken to like that.
To your point, if a Berniebrosis is going to determine how they vote based on what a poster on a band’s message board says, or from a twitter feed or faceturd threads and posts, then there really is no hope. Bernie should now be trying to convince his followers as hard as possible to do the right thing and get behind Biden and get Team Trump Treason out of the White House. And until that happens or until Berniebrosises pull the lever for Sleepy Woke Joe, they’re nothing more than DINOs and illustrate that they really don’t care about the ideals they claim to be champions of, scorn, arrogance and sexual harassment notwithstanding in their way of politicking.
1) Shaming fellow voters didn't work in 2016...
2) Thinking Progressives just follow Bernie blindly is shallow thinking... (see #1 again)
3) It's the candidates job to convince voters in order to win a particular sector of the electorate... (see #1 again)
4) A "Corporate Democrat" doesn't mean you're a supporter of the Democratic Party that works for a Corporation... I'd use rollings eyes on this one, but it would be rude... (see #1 again)
And no, I feel no shame. Im a happy corporatist and capitalist under my definition.
Be sure you include an assessment of the Card Act, Dodd Frank, ACA, 2009 Stimulus when you start the smear.Post edited by mrussel1 on0 -
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So you are saying there are no Dems that are influenced by gobs of money? I don’t think it is a smear to state that people taking huge sums of money aren’t going to be swayed by the hand that gives them that money. It’s naive to think otherwise. So they didn’t vote for trumps tax cuts good for them That sounds like a proverbial pat on the back to me.mrussel1 said:
Would you include the Democrats that voted for Trump's tax cuts in that assessment? Because that number is precisely zero. So who are these mythical corporate Democrats? And what are the bills they voted for in the recent past? Name names and bills. There must be some.static111 said:
Is corporate democrat a term that makes you feel shame. I think it’s a statement. My understanding and this is my own I don’t know if it is bernies or other sanders supporters is that corporate Democrat is the type of neo liberal that though slightly more socially liberal than republicans tends to favor and create bills and legislation that favor big business over small businesses and people. All the while in effect subscribing to the same theory that ‘trickle down’ economics works without ever coming out and saying so. To vocalize that they are pro union and worker protection but standing by and doing nothing but throwing up their hands while Rs strip said protections away. Taking huge amounts of money from companies for their re election war chests and pretending that that funding doesn’t sway their decisions. Patting themselves on the back for making horrible republican legislation that was going to pass anyway incrementally better instead of just shutting it down. That’s what I view the term meaning. Is that all Democrats? No is that all people employed by corporations that are Democrats? No. Is there a majority among elected officials with a big blue D out there serving corporations instead of people. Well in my view yes.mrussel1 said:
How about you define a corporate democrat for me since MyYoung won’t answer. Also, why is okay for Sanders and supporters to insult Democrats but “shaming voters” is not okay?static111 said:
💯myoung321 said:
Facts Matter--Halifax2TheMax said:
You could have said that in your first response and maybe not have been so bored?nicknyr15 said:
Haaaa. Sure thing pal. Not a chance. Here’s my point.Halifax2TheMax said:
Weak. And frightened.nicknyr15 said:
BoringHalifax2TheMax said:
Not so boring that it didn’t engage you now, right? State your case. Make your point. Defend it. But please stop complaining.nicknyr15 said:
The constant repeating is pointless and boring.Halifax2TheMax said:What Bernie is doing is stupid. I agree. I really do. We are divided enough. To create division within your own party is insane to me. But those posts come off as pretentious. Which will create further division. A Bernie supporter who sees those constant posts will get deterred. And doesn’t that defeat the whole purpose? Isn’t it supposed to be unite to defeat trump? Nobody like to be spoken to like that.
To your point, if a Berniebrosis is going to determine how they vote based on what a poster on a band’s message board says, or from a twitter feed or faceturd threads and posts, then there really is no hope. Bernie should now be trying to convince his followers as hard as possible to do the right thing and get behind Biden and get Team Trump Treason out of the White House. And until that happens or until Berniebrosises pull the lever for Sleepy Woke Joe, they’re nothing more than DINOs and illustrate that they really don’t care about the ideals they claim to be champions of, scorn, arrogance and sexual harassment notwithstanding in their way of politicking.
1) Shaming fellow voters didn't work in 2016...
2) Thinking Progressives just follow Bernie blindly is shallow thinking... (see #1 again)
3) It's the candidates job to convince voters in order to win a particular sector of the electorate... (see #1 again)
4) A "Corporate Democrat" doesn't mean you're a supporter of the Democratic Party that works for a Corporation... I'd use rollings eyes on this one, but it would be rude... (see #1 again)
And no, I feel no shame. Im a happy corporatist and capitalist under my definition.
Be sure you include an assessment of the Card Act, Dodd Frank, ACA, 2009 Stimulus when you start the smear.Scio me nihil scire
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I'm sitting this one out
Only problem I see is that Biden can’t talk coherently for any real length of time.Lerxst1992 said:mrussel1 said:
So what's the official Bernie Sanders pejorative definition of a corporate Democrat?myoung321 said:
Facts Matter--Halifax2TheMax said:
You could have said that in your first response and maybe not have been so bored?nicknyr15 said:
Haaaa. Sure thing pal. Not a chance. Here’s my point.Halifax2TheMax said:
Weak. And frightened.nicknyr15 said:
BoringHalifax2TheMax said:
Not so boring that it didn’t engage you now, right? State your case. Make your point. Defend it. But please stop complaining.nicknyr15 said:
The constant repeating is pointless and boring.Halifax2TheMax said:What Bernie is doing is stupid. I agree. I really do. We are divided enough. To create division within your own party is insane to me. But those posts come off as pretentious. Which will create further division. A Bernie supporter who sees those constant posts will get deterred. And doesn’t that defeat the whole purpose? Isn’t it supposed to be unite to defeat trump? Nobody like to be spoken to like that.
To your point, if a Berniebrosis is going to determine how they vote based on what a poster on a band’s message board says, or from a twitter feed or faceturd threads and posts, then there really is no hope. Bernie should now be trying to convince his followers as hard as possible to do the right thing and get behind Biden and get Team Trump Treason out of the White House. And until that happens or until Berniebrosises pull the lever for Sleepy Woke Joe, they’re nothing more than DINOs and illustrate that they really don’t care about the ideals they claim to be champions of, scorn, arrogance and sexual harassment notwithstanding in their way of politicking.
1) Shaming fellow voters didn't work in 2016...
2) Thinking Progressives just follow Bernie blindly is shallow thinking... (see #1 again)
3) It's the candidates job to convince voters in order to win a particular sector of the electorate... (see #1 again)
4) A "Corporate Democrat" doesn't mean you're a supporter of the Democratic Party that works for a Corporation... I'd use rollings eyes on this one, but it would be rude... (see #1 again)
Edit - and isn't Sanders and company shaming fellow Democrats by employing that term?I am actually starting to get a little frustrated with Biden. I know he is sending out videos but I hardly see them getting coverage. I understand he will never be able to compete with the orange master at using the bully pulpit but democrats better start to figure out quick how to get some attention at what their ideas are to get out of this mess.
My suggestion would be for Biden and some of the governors to hold a joint press conference a few times each week and model it after how Cuomo does his pressers. Schedule them for 90 minutes after Trumps pressers are scheduled to start and title the Democratic Solutions to the covid crisis.
They should present a bullet point plan, similar to how Cuomo presents facts and figures. Make the argument that the decisions to reopen should be based on scientific analysis of safety and should be gradual, not some orange idiot pontificating and rambling about his feelings for two hours.
It’s too quiet on the Democratic side. It’s time for the governors and Biden to band together and be heard. Even Pelosi.0 -
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I can't say who is influenced by what, I can only see what they vote for and against. I also know that I've not heard any Democrat say they support the overturning of McCain-Feingold either. Historically I would have followed up with teh statement that unfortunately you need money to compete in this system, but in this crazy world, Joe Biden just showed us that an underfunded candidate with a long and distinguished career as a public servant can smoke the candidate with all the resources and all the money. I guess we learned who the 'man of the people' really is.static111 said:
So you are saying there are no Dems that are influenced by gobs of money? I don’t think it is a smear to state that people taking huge sums of money aren’t going to be swayed by the hand that gives them that money. It’s naive to think otherwise. So they didn’t vote for trumps tax cuts good for them That sounds like a proverbial pat on the back to me.mrussel1 said:
Would you include the Democrats that voted for Trump's tax cuts in that assessment? Because that number is precisely zero. So who are these mythical corporate Democrats? And what are the bills they voted for in the recent past? Name names and bills. There must be some.static111 said:
Is corporate democrat a term that makes you feel shame. I think it’s a statement. My understanding and this is my own I don’t know if it is bernies or other sanders supporters is that corporate Democrat is the type of neo liberal that though slightly more socially liberal than republicans tends to favor and create bills and legislation that favor big business over small businesses and people. All the while in effect subscribing to the same theory that ‘trickle down’ economics works without ever coming out and saying so. To vocalize that they are pro union and worker protection but standing by and doing nothing but throwing up their hands while Rs strip said protections away. Taking huge amounts of money from companies for their re election war chests and pretending that that funding doesn’t sway their decisions. Patting themselves on the back for making horrible republican legislation that was going to pass anyway incrementally better instead of just shutting it down. That’s what I view the term meaning. Is that all Democrats? No is that all people employed by corporations that are Democrats? No. Is there a majority among elected officials with a big blue D out there serving corporations instead of people. Well in my view yes.mrussel1 said:
How about you define a corporate democrat for me since MyYoung won’t answer. Also, why is okay for Sanders and supporters to insult Democrats but “shaming voters” is not okay?static111 said:
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Facts Matter--Halifax2TheMax said:
You could have said that in your first response and maybe not have been so bored?nicknyr15 said:
Haaaa. Sure thing pal. Not a chance. Here’s my point.Halifax2TheMax said:
Weak. And frightened.nicknyr15 said:
BoringHalifax2TheMax said:
Not so boring that it didn’t engage you now, right? State your case. Make your point. Defend it. But please stop complaining.nicknyr15 said:
The constant repeating is pointless and boring.Halifax2TheMax said:What Bernie is doing is stupid. I agree. I really do. We are divided enough. To create division within your own party is insane to me. But those posts come off as pretentious. Which will create further division. A Bernie supporter who sees those constant posts will get deterred. And doesn’t that defeat the whole purpose? Isn’t it supposed to be unite to defeat trump? Nobody like to be spoken to like that.
To your point, if a Berniebrosis is going to determine how they vote based on what a poster on a band’s message board says, or from a twitter feed or faceturd threads and posts, then there really is no hope. Bernie should now be trying to convince his followers as hard as possible to do the right thing and get behind Biden and get Team Trump Treason out of the White House. And until that happens or until Berniebrosises pull the lever for Sleepy Woke Joe, they’re nothing more than DINOs and illustrate that they really don’t care about the ideals they claim to be champions of, scorn, arrogance and sexual harassment notwithstanding in their way of politicking.
1) Shaming fellow voters didn't work in 2016...
2) Thinking Progressives just follow Bernie blindly is shallow thinking... (see #1 again)
3) It's the candidates job to convince voters in order to win a particular sector of the electorate... (see #1 again)
4) A "Corporate Democrat" doesn't mean you're a supporter of the Democratic Party that works for a Corporation... I'd use rollings eyes on this one, but it would be rude... (see #1 again)
And no, I feel no shame. Im a happy corporatist and capitalist under my definition.
Be sure you include an assessment of the Card Act, Dodd Frank, ACA, 2009 Stimulus when you start the smear.
Back to the point, I still don't know who these corporate Dems are. Seems to me it's just a progressive boogeyman..sort of like Mexican rapists I guess.0 -
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She's a Manchurian candidate, btw. The Hill is run by a right wing billionaire close to Trump. Krystal Ball and the other 'progressives' have done nothing but try to split the party the entire season. Wake up.static111 said:From radical Krystal Ball.
Second, this statement is bullshit. The second half is true, the first part is her own BS. Corporations act for one reason alone: to maximize executive salaries and shareholder value. They don’t act to maximize value to you, or to be loyal to a nation, or to promote tolerance or any other lovely thing. Corporations are there to make money for their wealthy execs and wealthy shareholders.
Corps do exist to maximize shareholder value. And who are those shareholders? Mutual funds, individual investors, employees who receive options and grants, or that have their 401ks invested in teh company. You know the 80% of most companies that are middle class.
Corporations are made up of employees, not cyborgs. She doesn't have a fucking clue because she doesn't actually work for a functional corporation. How does she know what happens? What experience does this girl have in that world? None. Zero. She's been in media for her entire ten year career.
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Let’s not forget that 50% of Americans don’t have a stake in the stock market.mrussel1 said:
She's a Manchurian candidate, btw. The Hill is run by a right wing billionaire close to Trump. Krystal Ball and the other 'progressives' have done nothing but try to split the party the entire season. Wake up.static111 said:From radical Krystal Ball.
Second, this statement is bullshit. The second half is true, the first part is her own BS. Corporations act for one reason alone: to maximize executive salaries and shareholder value. They don’t act to maximize value to you, or to be loyal to a nation, or to promote tolerance or any other lovely thing. Corporations are there to make money for their wealthy execs and wealthy shareholders.
Corps do exist to maximize shareholder value. And who are those shareholders? Mutual funds, individual investors, employees who receive options and grants, or that have their 401ks invested in teh company. You know the 80% of most companies that are middle class.
Corporations are made up of employees, not cyborgs. She doesn't have a fucking clue because she doesn't actually work for a functional corporation. How does she know what happens? What experience does this girl have in that world? None. Zero. She's been in media for her entire ten year career.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I understand that, although I don't know how true that actually is. In other words, if I don't have a stake and but my wife has a 1MM 401k.. or if you have a pension. So I'm guessing that number is a bit inflated. Regardless, the point I was making is that corporations are made up of actual workers, the vast majority of which go to work, pay their bills, sock away 6% if they can, etc. And corporations, by and large, pay a higher salary than small businesses and have better benefits. It's not really close either. The narrative about how evil they are is generally BS.Halifax2TheMax said:
Let’s not forget that 50% of Americans don’t have a stake in the stock market.mrussel1 said:
She's a Manchurian candidate, btw. The Hill is run by a right wing billionaire close to Trump. Krystal Ball and the other 'progressives' have done nothing but try to split the party the entire season. Wake up.static111 said:From radical Krystal Ball.
Second, this statement is bullshit. The second half is true, the first part is her own BS. Corporations act for one reason alone: to maximize executive salaries and shareholder value. They don’t act to maximize value to you, or to be loyal to a nation, or to promote tolerance or any other lovely thing. Corporations are there to make money for their wealthy execs and wealthy shareholders.
Corps do exist to maximize shareholder value. And who are those shareholders? Mutual funds, individual investors, employees who receive options and grants, or that have their 401ks invested in teh company. You know the 80% of most companies that are middle class.
Corporations are made up of employees, not cyborgs. She doesn't have a fucking clue because she doesn't actually work for a functional corporation. How does she know what happens? What experience does this girl have in that world? None. Zero. She's been in media for her entire ten year career.0 -
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