Weep for those with nonfunctional bullshit detectors who allow their minds to be poisoned by grifters like Louise Mensch because life is nothing but Trump rage
You don't have to believe her. You can read the two documents she sources for yourself. They are still up and available. All of her stories are about an abusive husband. She even touts Joe Biden as "sponsor of Violence against Women Act".
Weep for those with nonfunctional bullshit detectors who allow their minds to be poisoned by grifters like Louise Mensch because life is nothing but Trump rage
You don't have to believe her. You can read the two documents she sources for yourself. They are still up and available. All of her stories are about an abusive husband. She even touts Joe Biden as "sponsor of Violence against Women Act".
I wouldn't spend a second of my day reading a word she wrote. If it's credible and gets picked up by a reputable news outlet, by all means post a link.
It's like if Gateway Pundit or OANN had a story making the rounds. Sure a blind squirrel may find a nut on occasion, but I'll wait to see if someone with integrity reports on it before even giving it a glance.
For someone who's "been trying to tell their story since 1993," seems a bit odd. And so much for the lame stream media "not looking into it." Another false narrative tactic by the smear campaigners. A Pakistani news outlet reports on an after midnight podcast, the blogosphere-twitterverse cries for justice and the lame stream media reports on something they had been looking into but decided it might lack "credibility." Anyone remember the outrage over the Rolling Stone story? Sure you do.
A California woman who last year said Joe Biden touched her neck and shoulders when she worked in his Senate office in 1993 is now accusing him of sexually assaulting her that year in a semiprivate area of the Capitol complex, an allegation the Biden campaign strongly denies.
The Washington Post has been examining Tara Reade’s allegation over the past three weeks, since she said on a podcast that Biden had pinned her against a wall, reached under her skirt and pushed his fingers inside her. At the time, she was a 29-year-old staff assistant.
The Post has interviewed Reade on multiple occasions — both this year and last — as well as people she says she told of the assault claim and more than a half-dozen former staffers of Biden’s Senate office.
In interviews with The Post last year, Reade said that Biden had touched her neck and shoulders but did not mention the alleged assault or suggest there was more to the story. She faulted his staff, calling Biden “a male of his time, a very powerful senator, and he had people around saying it was okay.”
She acknowledged in more recent interviews that she twice voted for the Obama-Biden ticket, saying she strongly supported their political positions. Since January, Reade has been a vocal supporter of Biden’s former rival Bernie Sanders. She said political considerations played no role in her decision to raise the sexual assault allegation.
On Thursday, Reade filed a complaint with D.C. police. She told The Post she did so because she is being harassed online and wanted law enforcement to be aware of her claim. A public record of the complaint does not name Biden but says Reade “disclosed that she believes she was the victim of a sexual assault” in 1993.
Reade said she described the alleged assault soon after it happened to her mother, who died in 2016, and to a friend, a former intern for another lawmaker. In an interview, the friend corroborated Reade’s account of their conversation but declined to be named in this report.
In another recent interview, Reade’s brother, Collin Moulton, said she told him in 1993 that Biden had behaved inappropriately by touching her neck and shoulders. Their mother urged Reade to contact the police, Moulton said, adding that he felt “ashamed now for not being a better advocate” for his sister. Several days after that interview, he said in a text message that he recalled her telling him that Biden had put his hand “under her clothes.”
Reade said she told a therapist earlier this year about the alleged assault. The Post asked Reade for the therapist’s notes of that conversation, but she has not produced them.
The campaign also released a statement attributed to Marianne Baker, who was an executive assistant in the office and one of the supervisors to whom Reade says she made a harassment complaint.
“In all my years working for Sen. Biden, I never once witnessed, or heard of, or received, any reports of inappropriate conduct, period — not from Ms. Reade, not from anyone,” Baker said. “I have absolutely no knowledge or memory of Ms. Reade’s accounting of events, which would have left a searing impression on me as a woman professional, and as a manager. These clearly false allegations are in complete contradiction to both the inner workings of our Senate office and to the man I know and worked so closely with for almost two decades.”
Reade worked for Biden’s office from December 1992 to early August 1993, according to Senate records. She said that in addition to Baker, she complained about feeling uncomfortable — but not the alleged assault — to two other supervisors in the Senate office: Dennis Toner, deputy chief of staff; and Ted Kaufman,chief of staff. Toner and Kaufman said in interviews that they had no specific recollection of Reade and no memory of such a complaint.
Flores’s story inspired Reade to offer her own account to her local newspaper, the Union, in Nevada County, Calif, Reade said. The details in that article matched the narrative Reade gave The Post the next day in a telephone interview.
The Post last year published other accusations of unwanted touching by Biden but not Reade’s. A friend that she said she had told of the harassment did not respond last year to requests for comment. That friend — the same one who in recent days confirmed that Reade told her of the alleged assault — said she had no memory of receiving calls from The Post.
In the recent interviews with The Post, Reade said she could not remember exactly where in the Capitol complex she was when she met Biden to deliver a gym bag to him. She was wearing a skirt and no stockings because it was a warm day in April or May, she said.
Reade’s younger brother, Moulton, said she had told him parts of her experience with Biden but not the alleged sexual assault.
A few days after that interview, Moulton sent the text saying he wanted to clarify his remarks. He wrote that he recalled Reade telling him in the early 1990s that Biden had cornered her and put his hands under her clothes.
Reade said that in 1993 she filed a complaint with a congressional human resources or personnel office but did not remember the exact name. Her complaint dealt only with the alleged harassment, not the assault, she said.
The Post could find no record of the complaint, and Reade said she never received a copy. The Senate Office of Fair Employment Practices, which fielded complaints starting in 1992, was replaced under a 1995 law and is now called the Office of Congressional Workplace Rights.
She occasionally has tweeted positively about Biden, saying in 2017, “My old boss speaks truth. Listen” with a link to a BBC story about Biden calling for the tech industry to help fight cancer.
Reade told The Post in a recent interview that she tweeted support of him because she admired some things about Biden despite the alleged assault. “Here’s the person I admire, who stands for all I believe in,” she said. “At the same time, that’s what happened to me personally.”
Plenty of holes to fall into. File a civil suit, compel witnesses to testify under oath, subpoena documents and release documentary evidence that support your claims. You know, seek justice.
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She occasionally has tweeted positively about Biden, saying in 2017, “My old boss speaks truth. Listen” with a link to a BBC story about Biden calling for the tech industry to help fight cancer.
Not something a victim of sexual assault would say I don't think
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Weep for those with nonfunctional bullshit detectors who allow their minds to be poisoned by grifters like Louise Mensch because life is nothing but Trump rage
You don't have to believe her. You can read the two documents she sources for yourself. They are still up and available. All of her stories are about an abusive husband. She even touts Joe Biden as "sponsor of Violence against Women Act".
I wouldn't spend a second of my day reading a word she wrote. If it's credible and gets picked up by a reputable news outlet, by all means post a link.
Well it brings up a curious point. This allegation has been out there for a year, shopped to various outlets and lawyers. There's no doubt that Sanders team has researched it in full. Yet they never brought it up and he suspended his campaign. That strikes me as they see it lacks merit. Sanders will have had oppo research look into this for sure.
Here's Bernie's Press Secretary calling the allegations credible
Burisma isn’t close to being a credible issue. It damages the integrity of her post.
Yeah, agree totally on Burisma but that's not the point. We're talking about the sexual assault allegations. We don't have to speculate on what the Bernie campaign thought of them. She's telling us.
I don’t know that she speaks for the campaign. She’s listed as “former”. The fact that she thinks Burisma is credible calls into question her general judgment on the issue.
She doesn’t say Burisma (or anything other than the sexual assault allegations, for that matter) is credible.
Weep for those with nonfunctional bullshit detectors who allow their minds to be poisoned by grifters like Louise Mensch because life is nothing but Trump rage
You don't have to believe her. You can read the two documents she sources for yourself. They are still up and available. All of her stories are about an abusive husband. She even touts Joe Biden as "sponsor of Violence against Women Act".
I wouldn't spend a second of my day reading a word she wrote. If it's credible and gets picked up by a reputable news outlet, by all means post a link.
Why not read Reade's actual words?
Or anything Louise Mensch is linking to. Again, if someone credible wants to report on whatever all that is, I'm all ears.
Weep for those with nonfunctional bullshit detectors who allow their minds to be poisoned by grifters like Louise Mensch because life is nothing but Trump rage
You don't have to believe her. You can read the two documents she sources for yourself. They are still up and available. All of her stories are about an abusive husband. She even touts Joe Biden as "sponsor of Violence against Women Act".
I wouldn't spend a second of my day reading a word she wrote. If it's credible and gets picked up by a reputable news outlet, by all means post a link.
Why not read Reade's actual words?
Or anything Louise Mensch is linking to. Again, if someone credible wants to report on whatever all that is, I'm all ears.
Well it brings up a curious point. This allegation has been out there for a year, shopped to various outlets and lawyers. There's no doubt that Sanders team has researched it in full. Yet they never brought it up and he suspended his campaign. That strikes me as they see it lacks merit. Sanders will have had oppo research look into this for sure.
Here's Bernie's Press Secretary calling the allegations credible
Burisma isn’t close to being a credible issue. It damages the integrity of her post.
Yeah, agree totally on Burisma but that's not the point. We're talking about the sexual assault allegations. We don't have to speculate on what the Bernie campaign thought of them. She's telling us.
I don’t know that she speaks for the campaign. She’s listed as “former”. The fact that she thinks Burisma is credible calls into question her general judgment on the issue.
She doesn’t say Burisma (or anything other than the sexual assault allegations, for that matter) is credible.
Right, so Team Sanders showed remarkable restraint by not bringing up smears that lacked credibility. That's impressive integrity on their part, then. That really doesn't make the tweet by her any better.
Well it brings up a curious point. This allegation has been out there for a year, shopped to various outlets and lawyers. There's no doubt that Sanders team has researched it in full. Yet they never brought it up and he suspended his campaign. That strikes me as they see it lacks merit. Sanders will have had oppo research look into this for sure.
Here's Bernie's Press Secretary calling the allegations credible
Burisma isn’t close to being a credible issue. It damages the integrity of her post.
Yeah, agree totally on Burisma but that's not the point. We're talking about the sexual assault allegations. We don't have to speculate on what the Bernie campaign thought of them. She's telling us.
I don’t know that she speaks for the campaign. She’s listed as “former”. The fact that she thinks Burisma is credible calls into question her general judgment on the issue.
She doesn’t say Burisma (or anything other than the sexual assault allegations, for that matter) is credible.
Right, so Team Sanders showed remarkable restraint by not bringing up smears that lacked credibility. That's impressive integrity on their part, then. That really doesn't make the tweet by her any better.
And the same could be said for NOT bringing up sexual assault allegations if they indeed believed they were credible.
Politics is a zero-integrity game.
FWIW: I have no horse in the race. The editor in me believes that words matter, so I thought it was important to point out the misreading is all.
It’s kind of like how saying “both sides are bad” gets twisted by a bunch nasty piles of absolute garbage in AMT to mean “both sides are the same” or my latest favorite: “both sides are equal amounts of bad.”
To my knowledge, while some folks may have said the first item in quotes, the only people saying the second and third items in quotes are willfully ignorant reactionaries who can’t be bothered to simply read something instead of reading into something. So I’ll point that out now as well before I adjust my trusty horseshoes.
Weep for those with nonfunctional bullshit detectors who allow their minds to be poisoned by grifters like Louise Mensch because life is nothing but Trump rage
You don't have to believe her. You can read the two documents she sources for yourself. They are still up and available. All of her stories are about an abusive husband. She even touts Joe Biden as "sponsor of Violence against Women Act".
I wouldn't spend a second of my day reading a word she wrote. If it's credible and gets picked up by a reputable news outlet, by all means post a link.
Why not read Reade's actual words?
Or anything Louise Mensch is linking to. Again, if someone credible wants to report on whatever all that is, I'm all ears.
Weep for those with nonfunctional bullshit detectors who allow their minds to be poisoned by grifters like Louise Mensch because life is nothing but Trump rage
You don't have to believe her. You can read the two documents she sources for yourself. They are still up and available. All of her stories are about an abusive husband. She even touts Joe Biden as "sponsor of Violence against Women Act".
I wouldn't spend a second of my day reading a word she wrote. If it's credible and gets picked up by a reputable news outlet, by all means post a link.
Why not read Reade's actual words?
Or anything Louise Mensch is linking to. Again, if someone credible wants to report on whatever all that is, I'm all ears.
There you go.. why let any news source tell you, let alone her. Read the two primary documents yourself.
I caved and read the links then even read the tweets. Can you summarize the point? I'm not getting it.
The point is: 1. She clearly and in a detailed way pointed out how she was abused by a husband during this time period. 2. She never mentioned sexual assault by anyone else 3. She traded (I'm not saying that's bad) on her time in the Biden office 4. She indicated in there that she left the Biden office based on her domestic abuse situation. 5. This is the opening paragraph of the second piece "I should know what an abuser looks like. After all, I was working for then Senator Joseph Biden, who sponsored the Violence Against Women Act. But domestic violence is an equal opportunity offender." 6. In 2019 she gave an interview to, I believe, the Nevada Register. In that interview, she said she left Biden's office because she was asked (not by Biden, but by her manager) to serve drinks at a party. 7. In the same interview, she said he touched her neck inappropriately, never mentioning being assaulted. Nor did she say that's why she quit.
Does all of this mean that it's impossible that the event happened? No, not at all, but there's a lot of curious circumstantial counter evidence.
Well it brings up a curious point. This allegation has been out there for a year, shopped to various outlets and lawyers. There's no doubt that Sanders team has researched it in full. Yet they never brought it up and he suspended his campaign. That strikes me as they see it lacks merit. Sanders will have had oppo research look into this for sure.
Here's Bernie's Press Secretary calling the allegations credible
Burisma isn’t close to being a credible issue. It damages the integrity of her post.
Yeah, agree totally on Burisma but that's not the point. We're talking about the sexual assault allegations. We don't have to speculate on what the Bernie campaign thought of them. She's telling us.
I don’t know that she speaks for the campaign. She’s listed as “former”. The fact that she thinks Burisma is credible calls into question her general judgment on the issue.
She doesn’t say Burisma (or anything other than the sexual assault allegations, for that matter) is credible.
Right, so Team Sanders showed remarkable restraint by not bringing up smears that lacked credibility. That's impressive integrity on their part, then. That really doesn't make the tweet by her any better.
And the same could be said for NOT bringing up sexual assault allegations if they indeed believed they were credible.
Politics is a zero-integrity game.
FWIW: I have no horse in the race. The editor in me believes that words matter, so I thought it was important to point out the misreading is all.
It’s kind of like how saying “both sides are bad” gets twisted by a bunch nasty piles of absolute garbage in AMT to mean “both sides are the same” or my latest favorite: “both sides are equal amounts of bad.”
To my knowledge, while some folks may have said the first item in quotes, the only people saying the second and third items in quotes are willfully ignorant reactionaries who can’t be bothered to simply read something instead of reading into something. So I’ll point that out now as well before I adjust my trusty horseshoes.
believe me, I get the nuance. But to me, that's 'too cute by a half'. You make a list of everything you could have attacked and only call the one thing credible?
Weep for those with nonfunctional bullshit detectors who allow their minds to be poisoned by grifters like Louise Mensch because life is nothing but Trump rage
You don't have to believe her. You can read the two documents she sources for yourself. They are still up and available. All of her stories are about an abusive husband. She even touts Joe Biden as "sponsor of Violence against Women Act".
I wouldn't spend a second of my day reading a word she wrote. If it's credible and gets picked up by a reputable news outlet, by all means post a link.
Why not read Reade's actual words?
Or anything Louise Mensch is linking to. Again, if someone credible wants to report on whatever all that is, I'm all ears.
There you go.. why let any news source tell you, let alone her. Read the two primary documents yourself.
I caved and read the links then even read the tweets. Can you summarize the point? I'm not getting it.
She recently claimed she left the Biden office because of Biden.
Her article says she left the Biden office because of her boyfriend.
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Weep for those with nonfunctional bullshit detectors who allow their minds to be poisoned by grifters like Louise Mensch because life is nothing but Trump rage
You don't have to believe her. You can read the two documents she sources for yourself. They are still up and available. All of her stories are about an abusive husband. She even touts Joe Biden as "sponsor of Violence against Women Act".
I wouldn't spend a second of my day reading a word she wrote. If it's credible and gets picked up by a reputable news outlet, by all means post a link.
Why not read Reade's actual words?
Or anything Louise Mensch is linking to. Again, if someone credible wants to report on whatever all that is, I'm all ears.
There you go.. why let any news source tell you, let alone her. Read the two primary documents yourself.
I caved and read the links then even read the tweets. Can you summarize the point? I'm not getting it.
The point is: 1. She clearly and in a detailed way pointed out how she was abused by a husband during this time period. 2. She never mentioned sexual assault by anyone else 3. She traded (I'm not saying that's bad) on her time in the Biden office 4. She indicated in there that she left the Biden office based on her domestic abuse situation. 5. This is the opening paragraph of the second piece "I should know what an abuser looks like. After all, I was working for then Senator Joseph Biden, who sponsored the Violence Against Women Act. But domestic violence is an equal opportunity offender." 6. In 2019 she gave an interview to, I believe, the Nevada Register. In that interview, she said she left Biden's office because she was asked (not by Biden, but by her manager) to serve drinks at a party. 7. In the same interview, she said he touched her neck inappropriately, never mentioning being assaulted. Nor did she say that's why she quit.
Does all of this mean that it's impossible that the event happened? No, not at all, but there's a lot of curious circumstantial counter evidence.
There's a lot of extraneous stuff there. 1,2,3,5,7 don't really give me a smoking gun. Are you saying the blog link claims she left Biden to go with the Tate dude to the midwest? And in another article from 2019 she says she left Biden because of the assault? And that's her story changing? I still don't understand what the alumni magazine point is.
Weep for those with nonfunctional bullshit detectors who allow their minds to be poisoned by grifters like Louise Mensch because life is nothing but Trump rage
You don't have to believe her. You can read the two documents she sources for yourself. They are still up and available. All of her stories are about an abusive husband. She even touts Joe Biden as "sponsor of Violence against Women Act".
I wouldn't spend a second of my day reading a word she wrote. If it's credible and gets picked up by a reputable news outlet, by all means post a link.
Why not read Reade's actual words?
Or anything Louise Mensch is linking to. Again, if someone credible wants to report on whatever all that is, I'm all ears.
There you go.. why let any news source tell you, let alone her. Read the two primary documents yourself.
I caved and read the links then even read the tweets. Can you summarize the point? I'm not getting it.
The point is: 1. She clearly and in a detailed way pointed out how she was abused by a husband during this time period. 2. She never mentioned sexual assault by anyone else 3. She traded (I'm not saying that's bad) on her time in the Biden office 4. She indicated in there that she left the Biden office based on her domestic abuse situation. 5. This is the opening paragraph of the second piece "I should know what an abuser looks like. After all, I was working for then Senator Joseph Biden, who sponsored the Violence Against Women Act. But domestic violence is an equal opportunity offender." 6. In 2019 she gave an interview to, I believe, the Nevada Register. In that interview, she said she left Biden's office because she was asked (not by Biden, but by her manager) to serve drinks at a party. 7. In the same interview, she said he touched her neck inappropriately, never mentioning being assaulted. Nor did she say that's why she quit.
Does all of this mean that it's impossible that the event happened? No, not at all, but there's a lot of curious circumstantial counter evidence.
There's a lot of extraneous stuff there. 1,2,3,5,7 don't really give me a smoking gun. Are you saying the blog link claims she left Biden to go with the Tate dude to the midwest? And in another article from 2019 she says she left Biden because of the assault? And that's her story changing? I still don't understand what the alumni magazine point is.
No she never mentioned the assault in 19. It just came up in the past week or two. That's what is unusual. I think the point of the alumni post is to give further credence that she consistently wrote about abuse but never mentioned getting raped at work. None of this is smoking gun. How does one prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they didn't rape someone in 1992?? That's not a reasonable bar. I guess if you find a payment to her from the Trump campaign, then that's a smoking gun. But outside of that, it will be her word vs his.
Weep for those with nonfunctional bullshit detectors who allow their minds to be poisoned by grifters like Louise Mensch because life is nothing but Trump rage
You don't have to believe her. You can read the two documents she sources for yourself. They are still up and available. All of her stories are about an abusive husband. She even touts Joe Biden as "sponsor of Violence against Women Act".
I wouldn't spend a second of my day reading a word she wrote. If it's credible and gets picked up by a reputable news outlet, by all means post a link.
Why not read Reade's actual words?
Or anything Louise Mensch is linking to. Again, if someone credible wants to report on whatever all that is, I'm all ears.
There you go.. why let any news source tell you, let alone her. Read the two primary documents yourself.
I caved and read the links then even read the tweets. Can you summarize the point? I'm not getting it.
The point is: 1. She clearly and in a detailed way pointed out how she was abused by a husband during this time period. 2. She never mentioned sexual assault by anyone else 3. She traded (I'm not saying that's bad) on her time in the Biden office 4. She indicated in there that she left the Biden office based on her domestic abuse situation. 5. This is the opening paragraph of the second piece "I should know what an abuser looks like. After all, I was working for then Senator Joseph Biden, who sponsored the Violence Against Women Act. But domestic violence is an equal opportunity offender." 6. In 2019 she gave an interview to, I believe, the Nevada Register. In that interview, she said she left Biden's office because she was asked (not by Biden, but by her manager) to serve drinks at a party. 7. In the same interview, she said he touched her neck inappropriately, never mentioning being assaulted. Nor did she say that's why she quit.
Does all of this mean that it's impossible that the event happened? No, not at all, but there's a lot of curious circumstantial counter evidence.
There's a lot of extraneous stuff there. 1,2,3,5,7 don't really give me a smoking gun. Are you saying the blog link claims she left Biden to go with the Tate dude to the midwest? And in another article from 2019 she says she left Biden because of the assault? And that's her story changing? I still don't understand what the alumni magazine point is.
The alumni magazine confirms she is the author of the other article, that is all
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Weep for those with nonfunctional bullshit detectors who allow their minds to be poisoned by grifters like Louise Mensch because life is nothing but Trump rage
You don't have to believe her. You can read the two documents she sources for yourself. They are still up and available. All of her stories are about an abusive husband. She even touts Joe Biden as "sponsor of Violence against Women Act".
I wouldn't spend a second of my day reading a word she wrote. If it's credible and gets picked up by a reputable news outlet, by all means post a link.
Why not read Reade's actual words?
Or anything Louise Mensch is linking to. Again, if someone credible wants to report on whatever all that is, I'm all ears.
There you go.. why let any news source tell you, let alone her. Read the two primary documents yourself.
I caved and read the links then even read the tweets. Can you summarize the point? I'm not getting it.
The point is: 1. She clearly and in a detailed way pointed out how she was abused by a husband during this time period. 2. She never mentioned sexual assault by anyone else 3. She traded (I'm not saying that's bad) on her time in the Biden office 4. She indicated in there that she left the Biden office based on her domestic abuse situation. 5. This is the opening paragraph of the second piece "I should know what an abuser looks like. After all, I was working for then Senator Joseph Biden, who sponsored the Violence Against Women Act. But domestic violence is an equal opportunity offender." 6. In 2019 she gave an interview to, I believe, the Nevada Register. In that interview, she said she left Biden's office because she was asked (not by Biden, but by her manager) to serve drinks at a party. 7. In the same interview, she said he touched her neck inappropriately, never mentioning being assaulted. Nor did she say that's why she quit.
Does all of this mean that it's impossible that the event happened? No, not at all, but there's a lot of curious circumstantial counter evidence.
There's a lot of extraneous stuff there. 1,2,3,5,7 don't really give me a smoking gun. Are you saying the blog link claims she left Biden to go with the Tate dude to the midwest? And in another article from 2019 she says she left Biden because of the assault? And that's her story changing? I still don't understand what the alumni magazine point is.
No she never mentioned the assault in 19. It just came up in the past week or two. That's what is unusual. I think the point of the alumni post is to give further credence that she consistently wrote about abuse but never mentioned getting raped at work. None of this is smoking gun. How does one prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they didn't rape someone in 1992?? That's not a reasonable bar. I guess if you find a payment to her from the Trump campaign, then that's a smoking gun. But outside of that, it will be her word vs his.
Yeah, this is all whatever. Certainly not eye-opening enough to be hitching oneself to Louise Mensch.
For the record, I have no clue whether she's telling the truth. Absent some bombshell, I don't think we'll ever know much more than we do now. Like we were saying before, there doesn't really seem to be a forum unless she presses charges.
The thing that is disappointing/illuminating to me is the way it's being handled by the media and partisans, especially when you compare it to Kavanaugh. Scarce few are interested in accountability when it means going after their political allies. Unless it's so egregious a la Weinstein/Epstein.
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Bernie Sanders Endorses Joe Biden For President https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/bernie-sanders-endorses-joe-biden-president-182333013.html
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
A California woman who last year said Joe Biden touched her neck and shoulders when she worked in his Senate office in 1993 is now accusing him of sexually assaulting her that year in a semiprivate area of the Capitol complex, an allegation the Biden campaign strongly denies.
The Washington Post has been examining Tara Reade’s allegation over the past three weeks, since she said on a podcast that Biden had pinned her against a wall, reached under her skirt and pushed his fingers inside her. At the time, she was a 29-year-old staff assistant.
The Post has interviewed Reade on multiple occasions — both this year and last — as well as people she says she told of the assault claim and more than a half-dozen former staffers of Biden’s Senate office.
In interviews with The Post last year, Reade said that Biden had touched her neck and shoulders but did not mention the alleged assault or suggest there was more to the story. She faulted his staff, calling Biden “a male of his time, a very powerful senator, and he had people around saying it was okay.”
She acknowledged in more recent interviews that she twice voted for the Obama-Biden ticket, saying she strongly supported their political positions. Since January, Reade has been a vocal supporter of Biden’s former rival Bernie Sanders. She said political considerations played no role in her decision to raise the sexual assault allegation.
On Thursday, Reade filed a complaint with D.C. police. She told The Post she did so because she is being harassed online and wanted law enforcement to be aware of her claim. A public record of the complaint does not name Biden but says Reade “disclosed that she believes she was the victim of a sexual assault” in 1993.
Reade said she described the alleged assault soon after it happened to her mother, who died in 2016, and to a friend, a former intern for another lawmaker. In an interview, the friend corroborated Reade’s account of their conversation but declined to be named in this report.
In another recent interview, Reade’s brother, Collin Moulton, said she told him in 1993 that Biden had behaved inappropriately by touching her neck and shoulders. Their mother urged Reade to contact the police, Moulton said, adding that he felt “ashamed now for not being a better advocate” for his sister. Several days after that interview, he said in a text message that he recalled her telling him that Biden had put his hand “under her clothes.”
Reade said she told a therapist earlier this year about the alleged assault. The Post asked Reade for the therapist’s notes of that conversation, but she has not produced them.
The campaign also released a statement attributed to Marianne Baker, who was an executive assistant in the office and one of the supervisors to whom Reade says she made a harassment complaint.
“In all my years working for Sen. Biden, I never once witnessed, or heard of, or received, any reports of inappropriate conduct, period — not from Ms. Reade, not from anyone,” Baker said. “I have absolutely no knowledge or memory of Ms. Reade’s accounting of events, which would have left a searing impression on me as a woman professional, and as a manager. These clearly false allegations are in complete contradiction to both the inner workings of our Senate office and to the man I know and worked so closely with for almost two decades.”
Reade worked for Biden’s office from December 1992 to early August 1993, according to Senate records. She said that in addition to Baker, she complained about feeling uncomfortable — but not the alleged assault — to two other supervisors in the Senate office: Dennis Toner, deputy chief of staff; and Ted Kaufman, chief of staff. Toner and Kaufman said in interviews that they had no specific recollection of Reade and no memory of such a complaint.
Flores’s story inspired Reade to offer her own account to her local newspaper, the Union, in Nevada County, Calif, Reade said. The details in that article matched the narrative Reade gave The Post the next day in a telephone interview.
The Post last year published other accusations of unwanted touching by Biden but not Reade’s. A friend that she said she had told of the harassment did not respond last year to requests for comment. That friend — the same one who in recent days confirmed that Reade told her of the alleged assault — said she had no memory of receiving calls from The Post.
In the recent interviews with The Post, Reade said she could not remember exactly where in the Capitol complex she was when she met Biden to deliver a gym bag to him. She was wearing a skirt and no stockings because it was a warm day in April or May, she said.
Reade’s younger brother, Moulton, said she had told him parts of her experience with Biden but not the alleged sexual assault.
A few days after that interview, Moulton sent the text saying he wanted to clarify his remarks. He wrote that he recalled Reade telling him in the early 1990s that Biden had cornered her and put his hands under her clothes.
Reade said that in 1993 she filed a complaint with a congressional human resources or personnel office but did not remember the exact name. Her complaint dealt only with the alleged harassment, not the assault, she said.
The Post could find no record of the complaint, and Reade said she never received a copy. The Senate Office of Fair Employment Practices, which fielded complaints starting in 1992, was replaced under a 1995 law and is now called the Office of Congressional Workplace Rights.
She occasionally has tweeted positively about Biden, saying in 2017, “My old boss speaks truth. Listen” with a link to a BBC story about Biden calling for the tech industry to help fight cancer.
Reade told The Post in a recent interview that she tweeted support of him because she admired some things about Biden despite the alleged assault. “Here’s the person I admire, who stands for all I believe in,” she said. “At the same time, that’s what happened to me personally.”
Full article here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sexual-assault-allegation-by-former-biden-senate-aide-emerges-in-campaign-draws-denial/2020/04/12/bc070d66-7067-11ea-b148-e4ce3fbd85b5_story.html
Plenty of holes to fall into. File a civil suit, compel witnesses to testify under oath, subpoena documents and release documentary evidence that support your claims. You know, seek justice.
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Let's hope Bernie's supporters follow suit.
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Warren needs to endorse Biden.
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There you go.. why let any news source tell you, let alone her. Read the two primary documents yourself.
That really doesn't make the tweet by her any better.
FWIW: I have no horse in the race. The editor in me believes that words matter, so I thought it was important to point out the misreading is all.
1. She clearly and in a detailed way pointed out how she was abused by a husband during this time period.
2. She never mentioned sexual assault by anyone else
3. She traded (I'm not saying that's bad) on her time in the Biden office
4. She indicated in there that she left the Biden office based on her domestic abuse situation.
5. This is the opening paragraph of the second piece "I should know what an abuser looks like. After all, I was working for then Senator Joseph Biden, who sponsored the Violence Against Women Act. But domestic violence is an equal opportunity offender."
6. In 2019 she gave an interview to, I believe, the Nevada Register. In that interview, she said she left Biden's office because she was asked (not by Biden, but by her manager) to serve drinks at a party.
7. In the same interview, she said he touched her neck inappropriately, never mentioning being assaulted. Nor did she say that's why she quit.
Does all of this mean that it's impossible that the event happened? No, not at all, but there's a lot of curious circumstantial counter evidence.
Her article says she left the Biden office because of her boyfriend.
None of this is smoking gun. How does one prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they didn't rape someone in 1992?? That's not a reasonable bar. I guess if you find a payment to her from the Trump campaign, then that's a smoking gun. But outside of that, it will be her word vs his.
The alumni magazine confirms she is the author of the other article, that is all
For the record, I have no clue whether she's telling the truth. Absent some bombshell, I don't think we'll ever know much more than we do now. Like we were saying before, there doesn't really seem to be a forum unless she presses charges.
The thing that is disappointing/illuminating to me is the way it's being handled by the media and partisans, especially when you compare it to Kavanaugh. Scarce few are interested in accountability when it means going after their political allies. Unless it's so egregious a la Weinstein/Epstein.