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I was making that comment in the sense that if more Americans were invested in the stock market, however, they might have a greater say as shareholders and voters, but you know, consume now, retirement and financial stability via savings is too far away and too hard.mrussel1 said:I understand that, although I don't know how true that actually is. In other words, if I don't have a stake and but my wife has a 1MM 401k.. or if you have a pension. So I'm guessing that number is a bit inflated. Regardless, the point I was making is that corporations are made up of actual workers, the vast majority of which go to work, pay their bills, sock away 6% if they can, etc. And corporations, by and large, pay a higher salary than small businesses and have better benefits. It's not really close either. The narrative about how evil they are is generally BS.
I don’t believe all corporations are evil but certainly many could be better. As a dem, you can’t rail against corporations and expect to win elections, as all your doing is alienating the voters who work for corporations and losing the evil fundraising race, thanks be to citizens united. Both sides are the same.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Completely agree. Don't think Sanders railing against corporations didn't drive away middle class voters. People know who pays their bills.Halifax2TheMax said:I was making that comment in the sense that if more Americans were invested in the stock market, however, they might have a greater say as shareholders and voters, but you know, consume now, retirement and financial stability via savings is too far away and too hard.
I don’t believe all corporations are evil but certainly many could be better. As a dem, you can’t rail against corporations and expect to win elections, as all your doing is alienating the voters who work for corporations and losing the evil fundraising race, thanks be to citizens united. Both sides are the same.0 -
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I don't know. I think the correct plan, right now, is to hunker down and let Trump continue to dig his own grave. We have a national crisis and his approval numbers are still in the mid 40's and starting to go back down. Any other president would easily be in the 70%-80% range at this point .Lerxst1992 said:I am actually starting to get a little frustrated with Biden. I know he is sending out videos but I hardly see them getting coverage. I understand he will never be able to compete with the orange master at using the bully pulpit but democrats better start to figure out quick how to get some attention at what their ideas are to get out of this mess.
My suggestion would be for Biden and some of the governors to hold a joint press conference a few times each week and model it after how Cuomo does his pressers. Schedule them for 90 minutes after Trumps pressers are scheduled to start and title the Democratic Solutions to the covid crisis.
They should present a bullet point plan, similar to how Cuomo presents facts and figures. Make the argument that the decisions to reopen should be based on scientific analysis of safety and should be gradual, not some orange idiot pontificating and rambling about his feelings for two hours.
It’s too quiet on the Democratic side. It’s time for the governors and Biden to band together and be heard. Even Pelosi.
Still have a long way to go, but early head to head numbers and even numbers in battleground states show Biden stacking up better than most challengers going back to Truman.www.myspace.com0 -
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I think both arguments have merit. Trump isn't doing himself any favors by going on TV every day. His numbers are tanking. If Biden tries to compete, that just gives Trump a target and something to focus on during his briefings.The Juggler said:I don't know. I think the correct plan, right now, is to hunker down and let Trump continue to dig his own grave. We have a national crisis and his approval numbers are still in the mid 40's and starting to go back down. Any other president would easily be in the 70%-80% range at this point .
Still have a long way to go, but early head to head numbers and even numbers in battleground states show Biden stacking up better than most challengers going back to Truman.0 -
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Yeah. The "statesmanlike" thing to do is step aside a bit during something like this, I would think. It is frustrating not having a large voice right now, but it's a weird time...mrussel1 said:I think both arguments have merit. Trump isn't doing himself any favors by going on TV every day. His numbers are tanking. If Biden tries to compete, that just gives Trump a target and something to focus on during his briefings.www.myspace.com0 -
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You were apparently being threatened by some kind of hostility while all I was doing was expressing reality. Why so hostile, bro?myoung321 said:
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Hard to save for the future when the bills of today take up all of your money leaving you barely enough to cover an emergency. One of the reasons low wages exist is because these wonderful corporations export their capital to other countries so that they can pay labor less in other markets. The day that corporations treat the labor and workers of the world on an equal footing is the day I will have more trust. Sadly at the rate things are going it looks like that may happen the wrong way, by exploiting workers and rather than raise the wages of the most vulnerable in the global economy lowering them in so called first world labor markets. Largely insulated white collar workers will likely call this progress and the inability to adapt to a changing market. We can’t all be CEO’s and cfo’s. By allowing capital but not labor to freely cross markets big corporations have the upper hand and rarely do more than the absolute minimum required. Capitalism can still be profitable and take care of workers in America and globally. It just means limiting the upward flow of wealth.Halifax2TheMax said:I was making that comment in the sense that if more Americans were invested in the stock market, however, they might have a greater say as shareholders and voters, but you know, consume now, retirement and financial stability via savings is too far away and too hard.
I don’t believe all corporations are evil but certainly many could be better. As a dem, you can’t rail against corporations and expect to win elections, as all your doing is alienating the voters who work for corporations and losing the evil fundraising race, thanks be to citizens united. Both sides are the same.As far as Mrussel1s article about the average wages between small businesses and large corps, what is the baseline and what are those jobs? And 10,000 though a considerable sum doesn’t go very far in today’s economy especially depending where you live, hardly a check mark in the corporations are a friend of the common man column. It really seems like a Republican lite argument.Scio me nihil scire
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Biden10k salary difference isn't much? You're talking out of both sides of the mouth.
I fully support bringing manufacturing back. Just be ready to pay 2 to 3x for consumer goods. I can afford it but hope about the blue collar workers? Are they ready to pay 2500 for a 50 inch tv?
Also, the article detailed the comparison salaries between small and big business. I don't understand your baseline question.Post edited by mrussel1 on0 -
Regardless of income, someone should save at least 10% of net pay per week and save it and forget about it. From their very first job on. Direct deposit into an account that you don’t have an ATM card to and have to physically go into a branch and withdraw money. Use it to pay for a car, house down payment, buy stocks, reduce debt or have to tap in an emergency. Live within your means, as difficult as it may be with a goal of getting ahead. A consumer based economy offering 84 months financing on a $45k truck fails society and the consumer. Just say no to keeping up with the Jones’s. My two cents and not for everyone.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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100% fact.Halifax2TheMax said:Regardless of income, someone should save at least 10% of net pay per week and save it and forget about it. From their very first job on. Direct deposit into an account that you don’t have an ATM card to and have to physically go into a branch and withdraw money. Use it to pay for a car, house down payment, buy stocks, reduce debt or have to tap in an emergency. Live within your means, as difficult as it may be with a goal of getting ahead. A consumer based economy offering 84 months financing on a $45k truck fails society and the consumer. Just say no to keeping up with the Jones’s. My two cents and not for everyone.0 -
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My question is what jobs are they using to produce the baseline salaries? Jobs in general? Office jobs? Manufacturing jobs? Gas station attendants? It doesn’t say what jobs just says jobs.mrussel1 said:10k salary difference isn't much? You're talking out of both sides of the mouth.
I fully support bringing manufacturing back. Just be ready to pay 2 to 3x for consumer goods. I can afford it but hope about the blue collar workers? Are they ready to pay 2500 for a 50 inch tv?
Also, the article detailed the comparison salaries between small and big business. I don't understand your baseline question.Going from 40,000 a year to 50,000 a year isn’t going to do much besides give a person a chance to breathe for a second and have a smaller amount of stress. I make more than the average corporate salary as an independent skilled tradesperson. I still remember my days way back making 20k 40k a year etc. you aren’t doing much more than surviving. One common theme was that those 20-40k jobs were more demanding and labor intensive than the position I’ve worked my way up to. The big problems with subsidized corporate capitalism is that the tax cuts and bailouts never seem to make it to the bottom. But without those at the bottom the people at the top could never achieve the exorbitant salaries.The economy is a game. Baseball is a game. Politics is a game. There are salary caps in sports to assure fairness. Why not salary caps in the biggest games of all that effects people’s lives much more profoundly.
2500 TVs maybe fewer people will buy and be less likely to
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BidenI said 10000 doesn’t do much depending where you live. Especially high rent places like NYC, Seattle, San Francisco, Austin etc. Going from 35000 to 45000 basically allows one to still barely get by just a bit more comfortably.Another point is that the article you referenced points to average wage. Well to keep it simple let’s make up an imaginary company. 9 make 25000 and one makes 150000. That average salary is 37,500. The average salary doesn’t do jack for the workers making 25000.
Getting back to this thread. I am absolutely going to vote for a corporate establishment democrat because The alternative is unacceptable.This is my last one for the night. I do enjoy going back and forth on these topics with y’all and respect your points of view.Scio me nihil scire
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Without, hopefully belaboring the point, I want to round out the original point. I agree with 80% of what you say, even without discussion. In the end I'd probably agree with more. I don't think corporations are benevolent, and they aren't intended to be so. But neither are small businesses necessarily.static111 said:I said 10000 doesn’t do much depending where you live. Especially high rent places like NYC, Seattle, San Francisco, Austin etc. Going from 35000 to 45000 basically allows one to still barely get by just a bit more comfortably.Another point is that the article you referenced points to average wage. Well to keep it simple let’s make up an imaginary company. 9 make 25000 and one makes 150000. That average salary is 37,500. The average salary doesn’t do jack for the workers making 25000.
Getting back to this thread. I am absolutely going to vote for a corporate establishment democrat because The alternative is unacceptable.This is my last one for the night. I do enjoy going back and forth on these topics with y’all and respect your points of view.
However, the main point is that I consider the term "corporate Democrat" to be a pejorative. I found it insulting and unhelpful from the start. Happy Sunday or Easter, whichever you celebrate.0 -
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So, pretty much --pjl44 said:
"...beyond hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable."
NO PATTERN OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT EXCEPT FOR THE PATTERN OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT.
Reads like a THE ONION tweet
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