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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    CM189191 said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    MayDay10 said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    You know why I am mad?
    My friend's fiance just gave birth to their first child and she is so isolated because we are not allowed out of our homes.
    She would love to go to mother's groups and get support from new mothers and do baby yoga and go for a walk with a pram.
    But she's seriously stressed and isolated. She's on her own with her baby.
    She reached out on Facebook asking if anyone has baby paracetamol as her baby is unwell and none is available at her local pharmacies because greedy idiots stockpiled. All this because China did not alert the world.
    Everyone is pissed and is making sacrifices to some degree.

    We dont need to invent something to levy blame on.  Things arent always so easy and black and white... even though the human mind seeks that clarity.  At some point, when this is over, the international committee will figure it out and hopefully work together to prevent this from happening again.  

    Everything I have read from reputable sources says that there is no way this virus is man-made.
    If not man made, then why does the CCP continue to allow the sale and consumption of animals know to carry the virus?
    Why does the CCP allow unhygienic wet markets to exist?
    The CCP needs to change its behaviour to prevent this happening again. 
    SARS, swine flu, MERS, Covid-19, all from China thanks to the CCP.

    Good question: why don't rural areas in a developing economy have widespread access to modern refrigeration and established food distribution channels? 

    Could it be due to decades of protectionist and isolationist foreign policy?

    Will continuing these policies lead to more or less pandemic outbreaks? 

    🐔 /🥚 ?
    Fair point.
    But what about stopping people from eating Pangolins and bats?
    Why would we stop it? Did we stop eating pork after swine flu? Did we stop eating chickens after bird flu?

    I'm not sure it's been proven where the virus came from yet.

    I supposed the solution would be to commercialize and regulate pangolin and bat farming for food consumption.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,488
    edited April 2020
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    I'm back after a week long ban.

    I am glad to know I am not the only "racist" person critical of China.

    https://9now.nine.com.au/60-minutes/china-cover-up-coronavirus-12-missing-days-wuhan-60-minutes/d8426648-f9b3-4439-9089-b733b8e4a6c5?fbclid=IwAR1PejUmLJsA59I2ozyqF9sX4FXpCZHUxQjmGOxXtDzGLs39wq43dCz6FGc

    I do not watch this Sky channel as I hate Rupert Murdoch and his press and I think this guy is a tool but I agree with him here...

    https://www.facebook.com/SkyNewsAustralia/videos/1084108735286082/

    The world must never forget this act by China.
    I hope after this crisis is over that Australia, the USA, and other countries stop relying on China and take back manufacturing.
    Time to stop this over-reliance on China as they keep getting away with a lot of bad things.
    You do know that everything you say can be used against e.g. the USA (as you brings up as an example in your post)  too, right? Or other nations.

    Where does the purity testing stop?

    China is in the Paris Agreement, e.g. the US is not. Why would any sound country deal with a country that in 2020 refuses to e a part of it and to acknowledge climate change? China might be polluting - but they at least acknowledge it and is part of the agreement. Should all of EU stop trade with the US when they left the agreement? Climate Change will kill more people than corona. And the US today, sides with changing the climate for the worse over fighting the problems.

    The US started an unjust war in the middleast - why did the world let them get away with it? Or not stop our over-reliance on them? As they keep getting away with a lot of bad things.

    To my knowledge the Iraq war has killed more people than the Corona so far?

    So, why should e.g. VOLVO  build a plant in North Carolina - instead of in a Country that 1) acknowledges Climate Change and 2) doesn't do war crimes with no retributions ?

    I personally think the world should - by using soft power and capitalistic tools (like putting their production in other "cheap" countries that atleast are democratic) stop the over-reliance on China ans stop building them up as the leading nation in the world.

    But why does your irritation focus this much solely on China? Because of an anger-filled convenience? 


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  • Merkin Baller
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,532
    CM189191 said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    CM189191 said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    MayDay10 said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    You know why I am mad?
    My friend's fiance just gave birth to their first child and she is so isolated because we are not allowed out of our homes.
    She would love to go to mother's groups and get support from new mothers and do baby yoga and go for a walk with a pram.
    But she's seriously stressed and isolated. She's on her own with her baby.
    She reached out on Facebook asking if anyone has baby paracetamol as her baby is unwell and none is available at her local pharmacies because greedy idiots stockpiled. All this because China did not alert the world.
    Everyone is pissed and is making sacrifices to some degree.

    We dont need to invent something to levy blame on.  Things arent always so easy and black and white... even though the human mind seeks that clarity.  At some point, when this is over, the international committee will figure it out and hopefully work together to prevent this from happening again.  

    Everything I have read from reputable sources says that there is no way this virus is man-made.
    If not man made, then why does the CCP continue to allow the sale and consumption of animals know to carry the virus?
    Why does the CCP allow unhygienic wet markets to exist?
    The CCP needs to change its behaviour to prevent this happening again. 
    SARS, swine flu, MERS, Covid-19, all from China thanks to the CCP.

    Good question: why don't rural areas in a developing economy have widespread access to modern refrigeration and established food distribution channels? 

    Could it be due to decades of protectionist and isolationist foreign policy?

    Will continuing these policies lead to more or less pandemic outbreaks? 

    🐔 /🥚 ?
    Fair point.
    But what about stopping people from eating Pangolins and bats?
    Why would we stop it? Did we stop eating pork after swine flu? Did we stop eating chickens after bird flu?

    I'm not sure it's been proven where the virus came from yet.

    I supposed the solution would be to commercialize and regulate pangolin and bat farming for food consumption.
    I believe the pangolin theory has been found to be in error and dismissed at this point.
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  • josevolution
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    I hope they keep doing it, screw him just show me the professionals not a deranged idiot! 
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,840
    An unintended consequence of Gov DeWine push to talk Coronavirus and prepare prepare prepare has been the complete and utter lack of care for individuals in need of medical attention right now for things other than coronavirus.

    My mother fell and broke her leg last week.  She was in hospital, but they decided not to do surgery right away and get her out cause of coronavirus.  A little premature in reality.  Well, they moved her to a "rehab" facility.  Only, since they are clearing wings of the hospital many people are being moved, including the mentally ill.  She is basically in an insane asylum that is on lockdown with no guests.  She has had 2 different men enter her room a total of 5 times.  The one was incoherent.  Took the staff 22 minutes to come to her room.  The second man was screaming at her to get out of his house and where was his wife.  3 times in one night with that fellow.  Staff not responding fast nor really fixing the problem.  These are staff that are not prepared to deal with the psych ward patients.  But, they aren't even meeting the base expectation of keeping people safe.  There is some more, and she has only been there less than a week.

    I wish we could actually balance our approach appropriately.  Ignoring it does't work.  Neglecting care for those that need it to prepare for something that isn;t there yet doesn;t work either.  Not allowing visitors allows these facilities to get away with not providing basic needs.  I have no idea what to do.

    So yeah, fuck the chinese government and fuck Trump for downplaying and fuck all those that dramatize it for 24 hour news coverage while we as a society continue to fuck over others that actually need our help today, this very instance.  
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  • F Me In The Brain
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    I feel sorry for your mother

    Sucks.
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  • Lerxst1992
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    JW269453 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    JW269453 said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    josevolution said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    josevolution said:
    Ok so no one is to blame cool so the same can be said of no one takes responsibility correct? And who do you think will take credit when this is over? 
    Blah blah blah. I never said trump didn’t drop the ball holy shit. Cool down dude. Not everything is a personal political attack. I’m just saying both sides acted irresponsibly. That’s a fact. Hopefully we’ll all be better prepared for the next one. 
    lol both sides please tell me the sides or teams you speak of? Who will take responsibility for saving the world I’m asking a question..
    I wasn’t defending trump. I’m just showing how completely unprepared everyone was and how neither side took this seriously until it was too late. And of course he’ll claim he saved the world. We’re in the middle of it and all he does is talking about the terrific job he’s doing. It’s old news. His actions don’t shock or surprise me anymore. 

    Here is my take.  Most of the Western World did not do a good job with this.  But....There is only one US President right now. There is only one WHite House Administration right now.  There is only one Republican controlled Senate. 

    It is the President's job to lead, and then people follow.  The governors were left to fend for themselves and took the lead from the WHite House that this wasn't a big deal and was an impeachment hoax.  The different government organizations take the lead from the administration.   You can say everyone was unprepared, but there was information out there in Dec/Jan and the leader/party that is in power and asked for votes so they could be in power and in-charge failed to act soon enough.   If someone that works for me fails to start a project and the client gets mad, they are calling me because  it is my fault and failure to lead. 

    Sure, we were unprepared before Trump took office.  But there were two months practically that the US failed to lead and take action. 

    Not trying to poke the bear, but in all fairness the only thing the Democrats were focused on was the ongoing impeachment when the initial news broke. Not saying this is their fault, just stating that they had their minds elsewhere as well. I do agree with many of your points.

    ***This is not an endorsement for trump***

    It sorta is. This was on March 9th. March 9.

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    So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!



    Your recollection is vastly inaccurate. Think about that.
    I’m not following you on this. My comment was in response to the early news in Dec/Jan, and how nobody was really focusing on the looming pandemic because everyone was in impeachment mode. I don’t recall politicians or professionals calling for immediate action prior to the initial travel ban that was questioned at the time. This tweet obviously spread a false sense of security, but I don’t know how it relates to what I said or how what I said is seen as an endorsement.

    The Democrats do not run the CDC or other agencies to prepare for a crisis like this. It is literally the presidents job to do so. So to create a comparison of what the democrats were doing in january is dangerously ignoring what the potus job was to do at that time. Go ahead and take a look at how Clinton handled his impeachment. He focused on his job. As recently as March 9 trump was not taking this seriously and there were significant delays in testing and shelter in place recommendations that will cost tens of thousands of lives. That has nothing to do with what democrats were doing up to feb 5.

     That “false sense of security” is exactly what is costing lives.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    It's total bullshit to blame the impeachment for the slow response to COVID-19.
    The whole world was slow to respond.

    I would be embarrassed to be trolling (in the fishing sense) the same line as Mitch McConnell 🤦‍♂️
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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  • mickeyrat
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    cincybearcat said:
    An unintended consequence of Gov DeWine push to talk Coronavirus and prepare prepare prepare has been the complete and utter lack of care for individuals in need of medical attention right now for things other than coronavirus.

    My mother fell and broke her leg last week.  She was in hospital, but they decided not to do surgery right away and get her out cause of coronavirus.  A little premature in reality.  Well, they moved her to a "rehab" facility.  Only, since they are clearing wings of the hospital many people are being moved, including the mentally ill.  She is basically in an insane asylum that is on lockdown with no guests.  She has had 2 different men enter her room a total of 5 times.  The one was incoherent.  Took the staff 22 minutes to come to her room.  The second man was screaming at her to get out of his house and where was his wife.  3 times in one night with that fellow.  Staff not responding fast nor really fixing the problem.  These are staff that are not prepared to deal with the psych ward patients.  But, they aren't even meeting the base expectation of keeping people safe.  There is some more, and she has only been there less than a week.

    I wish we could actually balance our approach appropriately.  Ignoring it does't work.  Neglecting care for those that need it to prepare for something that isn;t there yet doesn;t work either.  Not allowing visitors allows these facilities to get away with not providing basic needs.  I have no idea what to do.

    So yeah, fuck the chinese government and fuck Trump for downplaying and fuck all those that dramatize it for 24 hour news coverage while we as a society continue to fuck over others that actually need our help today, this very instance.  
    damn.  up here in Columbus they are sectioning off each hospital or were last week. allowing for usual care and isolation for corona. . running trauma type triage for ambulance runs so they know who can take what. and walkins wil be directed to closest with room for x condition.

    any way you can call around for transfer ?
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  • Lerxst1992
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    mickeyrat said:
    I am seeing 5 or 6 new york plated vehicles headed west every night. last couple of days with uhaul equipment too.   

    and that's just between columbus and indy on I-70


    Comments such as those coming from the FL governor where NYers are being treated like we all have the plague are deplorable (not saying that’s your comment, it is an interesting observation you provided). NY kept it’s borders open to the world while this virus was brewing. Any state that had residents pass thru NY from overseas during 2020 should respect that benefit it received and share responsibility and community.
  • mickeyrat
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    Lerxst1992 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    I am seeing 5 or 6 new york plated vehicles headed west every night. last couple of days with uhaul equipment too.   

    and that's just between columbus and indy on I-70


    Comments such as those coming from the FL governor where NYers are being treated like we all have the plague are deplorable (not saying that’s your comment, it is an interesting observation you provided). NY kept it’s borders open to the world while this virus was brewing. Any state that had residents pass thru NY from overseas during 2020 should respect that benefit it received and share responsibility and community.
    have no doubt. they'll take your dollars and retirees but..... seems most of these gop trump asslicker governors really dropped the ball believing douchefuck.

    finding it odd its just NY vehicles . No NJ or CT..
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    rgambs said:
    It's total bullshit to blame the impeachment for the slow response to COVID-19.
    The whole world was slow to respond.

    I would be embarrassed to be trolling (in the fishing sense) the same line as Mitch McConnell 🤦‍♂️
    Particularly since Team Trump Treason stated unequivocally in his propaganda conference yesterday that he would not have done anything differently even if impeachment hadn’t happened. Very. Stable. Genius.
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  • Lerxst1992
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    rgambs said:
    It's total bullshit to blame the impeachment for the slow response to COVID-19.
    The whole world was slow to respond.

    I would be embarrassed to be trolling (in the fishing sense) the same line as Mitch McConnell 🤦‍♂️

    Clinton was impeached and found a way to do his job to help the county.

     Trumps impeachment trial ended on feb 5. Later in feb Pelosi urged the president to act and he mocked her with a flu comparison.

    The “whole world” was not slow to respond. Countries such as S Korea started testing immediately and were able to track, isolate and minimize death to only 165 and they are much closer to China than US

  • Merkin Baller
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    CDC issued its 1st warning on 1/8.

    Trump held 9 rallies between 1/9 & 2/28.


    When they tell you he took it seriously from the beginning, they are lying through their fucking teeth.

  • Merkin Baller
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    cincybearcat said:
    An unintended consequence of Gov DeWine push to talk Coronavirus and prepare prepare prepare has been the complete and utter lack of care for individuals in need of medical attention right now for things other than coronavirus.

    My mother fell and broke her leg last week.  She was in hospital, but they decided not to do surgery right away and get her out cause of coronavirus.  A little premature in reality.  Well, they moved her to a "rehab" facility.  Only, since they are clearing wings of the hospital many people are being moved, including the mentally ill.  She is basically in an insane asylum that is on lockdown with no guests.  She has had 2 different men enter her room a total of 5 times.  The one was incoherent.  Took the staff 22 minutes to come to her room.  The second man was screaming at her to get out of his house and where was his wife.  3 times in one night with that fellow.  Staff not responding fast nor really fixing the problem.  These are staff that are not prepared to deal with the psych ward patients.  But, they aren't even meeting the base expectation of keeping people safe.  There is some more, and she has only been there less than a week.

    I wish we could actually balance our approach appropriately.  Ignoring it does't work.  Neglecting care for those that need it to prepare for something that isn;t there yet doesn;t work either.  Not allowing visitors allows these facilities to get away with not providing basic needs.  I have no idea what to do.

    So yeah, fuck the chinese government and fuck Trump for downplaying and fuck all those that dramatize it for 24 hour news coverage while we as a society continue to fuck over others that actually need our help today, this very instance.  

    I'm so sorry, Cincy. I hope she gets better & home real soon.
  • mickeyrat
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    rgambs said:
    It's total bullshit to blame the impeachment for the slow response to COVID-19.
    The whole world was slow to respond.

    I would be embarrassed to be trolling (in the fishing sense) the same line as Mitch McConnell 🤦‍♂️
    Particularly since Team Trump Treason stated unequivocally in his propaganda conference yesterday that he would not have done anything differently even if impeachment hadn’t happened. Very. Stable. Genius.
    Mitch must be slipping. still trying to cover for douchefuck.

    he needs to just chalk up the win for the judges he's gotten through and let trump flail here...
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  • josevolution
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    cincybearcat said:
    An unintended consequence of Gov DeWine push to talk Coronavirus and prepare prepare prepare has been the complete and utter lack of care for individuals in need of medical attention right now for things other than coronavirus.

    My mother fell and broke her leg last week.  She was in hospital, but they decided not to do surgery right away and get her out cause of coronavirus.  A little premature in reality.  Well, they moved her to a "rehab" facility.  Only, since they are clearing wings of the hospital many people are being moved, including the mentally ill.  She is basically in an insane asylum that is on lockdown with no guests.  She has had 2 different men enter her room a total of 5 times.  The one was incoherent.  Took the staff 22 minutes to come to her room.  The second man was screaming at her to get out of his house and where was his wife.  3 times in one night with that fellow.  Staff not responding fast nor really fixing the problem.  These are staff that are not prepared to deal with the psych ward patients.  But, they aren't even meeting the base expectation of keeping people safe.  There is some more, and she has only been there less than a week.

    I wish we could actually balance our approach appropriately.  Ignoring it does't work.  Neglecting care for those that need it to prepare for something that isn;t there yet doesn;t work either.  Not allowing visitors allows these facilities to get away with not providing basic needs.  I have no idea what to do.

    So yeah, fuck the chinese government and fuck Trump for downplaying and fuck all those that dramatize it for 24 hour news coverage while we as a society continue to fuck over others that actually need our help today, this very instance.  
    Sorry to hear that totally sucks , his crisis has such a trickle effect that it will affect everyone. Hoping you mom get the help she needs..
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  • Lerxst1992
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    I'm back after a week long ban.

    I am glad to know I am not the only "racist" person critical of China.

    https://9now.nine.com.au/60-minutes/china-cover-up-coronavirus-12-missing-days-wuhan-60-minutes/d8426648-f9b3-4439-9089-b733b8e4a6c5?fbclid=IwAR1PejUmLJsA59I2ozyqF9sX4FXpCZHUxQjmGOxXtDzGLs39wq43dCz6FGc

    I do not watch this Sky channel as I hate Rupert Murdoch and his press and I think this guy is a tool but I agree with him here...

    https://www.facebook.com/SkyNewsAustralia/videos/1084108735286082/

    The world must never forget this act by China.
    I hope after this crisis is over that Australia, the USA, and other countries stop relying on China and take back manufacturing.
    Time to stop this over-reliance on China as they keep getting away with a lot of bad things.
    You do know that everything you say can be used against e.g. the USA (as you brings up as an example in your post)  too, right? Or other nations.

    Where does the purity testing stop?

    China is in the Paris Agreement, e.g. the US is not. Why would any sound country deal with a country that in 2020 refuses to e a part of it and to acknowledge climate change? China might be polluting - but they at least acknowledge it and is part of the agreement. Should all of EU stop trade with the US when they left the agreement? Climate Change will kill more people than corona. And the US today, sides with changing the climate for the worse over fighting the problems.

    The US started an unjust war in the middleast - why did the world let them get away with it? Or not stop our over-reliance on them? As they keep getting away with a lot of bad things.

    To my knowledge the Iraq war has killed more people than the Corona so far?

    So, why should e.g. VOLVO  build a plant in North Carolina - instead of in a Country that 1) acknowledges Climate Change and 2) doesn't do war crimes with no retributions ?

    I personally think the world should - by using soft power and capitalistic tools (like putting their production in other "cheap" countries that atleast are democratic) stop the over-reliance on China ans stop building them up as the leading nation in the world.

    But why does your irritation focus this much solely on China? Because of an anger-filled convenience? 



    The US bombed it’s own buildings and pentagon? The US killed 3,000 of its own civilians? The US killed Kurds with illegal poison gas? The US invaded and occupied Kuwait? The US sheltered a religious terrorist organization?

    I was against the Afghan War in 2001 and the Iraq war in 2003 but let’s not make absurd comments that there were no justifications for it.
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