The coronavirus

Thoughts_Arrive

F Me In The Brain said:

Thoughts Arrive?, go ahead and play your crazy game.
Pissing people off is allowed.  Don't let my distaste for you and your tactics to slow your roll 

I am not playing any game. I believe what I believe and if you call that a game then that is your issue.

Thoughts_Arrive

You know why I am mad?
My friend's fiance just gave birth to their first child and she is so isolated because we are not allowed out of our homes.
She would love to go to mother's groups and get support from new mothers and do baby yoga and go for a walk with a pram.
But she's seriously stressed and isolated. She's on her own with her baby.
She reached out on Facebook asking if anyone has baby paracetamol as her baby is unwell and none is available at her local pharmacies because greedy idiots stockpiled. All this because China did not alert the world.

hedonist

Thoughts_Arrive said:

You know why I am mad?
My friend's fiance just gave birth to their first child and she is so isolated because we are not allowed out of our homes.
She would love to go to mother's groups and get support from new mothers and do baby yoga and go for a walk with a pram.
But she's seriously stressed and isolated. She's on her own with her baby.
She reached out on Facebook asking if anyone has baby paracetamol as her baby is unwell and none is available at her local pharmacies because greedy idiots stockpiled. All this because China did not alert the world.

It’s gotta be tough for a new mother, but I’m mad that a fuckload of people have died, with more on the way. 

I thought the ban might be a time for self-reflection. 

Nope.

Thoughts_Arrive

Oh, and I wasn't banned for expressing an opinion but for saying something not allowed here to someone.
I thought that AMT is a place where we can express opinions, debate etc?

F Me In The Brain

Hey Thoughts Arrive?
Don't pm me.  
You would have thought you got the point when I didn't respond last time.  Don't stalker me, broseph.

Thoughts_Arrive

I don't understand why you have distaste for me?
What have I done to you?

F Me In The Brain

Watching the coverage on NBC.  I cant take any of the cable news networks.  It is tough to see the front line videos and stories 
So many angles on this to see the horrors going on.  Damn, things are going to get worse, which is crazy.

CM189191

Thoughts_Arrive said:

CM189191 said:

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F Me In The Brain said:

You walk right back in and piss around about China.
Nothing has changed.  

Why are you so sensitive about China?
Do you live there? Are you of Chinese background?
Did you read what I shared in that article and did you watch that video?
Why are you not allowing me to be critical of China? Why are you criticising me for criticising China?
So you have no issue with their secrecy which led to thousands of innocent people dying around the world?
Why did they not alert the WHO and other countries and stop flights leaving Wuhan when they first knew of this new virus? Doing so would have prevented this outbreak. 
I don't understand you and others here.

How would isolationism and protectionism solve this?  They are both failed foreign policy.  Good luck putting that genie back in the bottle.  We live in an internationally integrated economy. Do better.

China should be treated the same way North Korea is treated by the foreign community. Shunned.
I'd be more than glad to buy Australian made clothes and appliances. Even if I have to pay more.
This is the world's fault for being greedy (in wanting cheap labour).

You have it backwards.  The North Korea government has shunned the rest of the outside world. North Korea practices isolation and protectionism. And nothing good has come from it.  

You pay more for domestic goods.  And the North Korean people suffer under an oppressive regime.  It's economic inequality on a massive multinational scale. 

RunIntoTheRain

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Thoughts_Arrive

CM189191 said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

CM189191 said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

F Me In The Brain said:

You walk right back in and piss around about China.
Nothing has changed.  

Why are you so sensitive about China?
Do you live there? Are you of Chinese background?
Did you read what I shared in that article and did you watch that video?
Why are you not allowing me to be critical of China? Why are you criticising me for criticising China?
So you have no issue with their secrecy which led to thousands of innocent people dying around the world?
Why did they not alert the WHO and other countries and stop flights leaving Wuhan when they first knew of this new virus? Doing so would have prevented this outbreak. 
I don't understand you and others here.

How would isolationism and protectionism solve this?  They are both failed foreign policy.  Good luck putting that genie back in the bottle.  We live in an internationally integrated economy. Do better.

China should be treated the same way North Korea is treated by the foreign community. Shunned.
I'd be more than glad to buy Australian made clothes and appliances. Even if I have to pay more.
This is the world's fault for being greedy (in wanting cheap labour).

You have it backwards.  The North Korea government has shunned the rest of the outside world. North Korea practices isolation and protectionism. And nothing good has come from it.  

You pay more for domestic goods.  And the North Korean people suffer under an oppressive regime.  It's economic inequality on a massive multinational scale. 

So how would you stop this over-reliance on China so that they can no longer get away with their behaviour?

MayDay10

Thoughts_Arrive said:

You know why I am mad?
My friend's fiance just gave birth to their first child and she is so isolated because we are not allowed out of our homes.
She would love to go to mother's groups and get support from new mothers and do baby yoga and go for a walk with a pram.
But she's seriously stressed and isolated. She's on her own with her baby.
She reached out on Facebook asking if anyone has baby paracetamol as her baby is unwell and none is available at her local pharmacies because greedy idiots stockpiled. All this because China did not alert the world.

Everyone is pissed and is making sacrifices to some degree.

We dont need to invent something to levy blame on.  Things arent always so easy and black and white... even though the human mind seeks that clarity.  At some point, when this is over, the international committee will figure it out and hopefully work together to prevent this from happening again.  

Everything I have read from reputable sources says that there is no way this virus is man-made.

pjl44

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josevolution said:

Ok so no one is to blame cool so the same can be said of no one takes responsibility correct? And who do you think will take credit when this is over? 

Blah blah blah. I never said trump didn’t drop the ball holy shit. Cool down dude. Not everything is a personal political attack. I’m just saying both sides acted irresponsibly. That’s a fact. Hopefully we’ll all be better prepared for the next one. 

lol both sides please tell me the sides or teams you speak of? Who will take responsibility for saving the world I’m asking a question..

I wasn’t defending trump. I’m just showing how completely unprepared everyone was and how neither side took this seriously until it was too late. And of course he’ll claim he saved the world. We’re in the middle of it and all he does is talking about the terrific job he’s doing. It’s old news. His actions don’t shock or surprise me anymore. 

Here is my take.  Most of the Western World did not do a good job with this.  But....There is only one US President right now. There is only one WHite House Administration right now.  There is only one Republican controlled Senate. 

It is the President's job to lead, and then people follow.  The governors were left to fend for themselves and took the lead from the WHite House that this wasn't a big deal and was an impeachment hoax.  The different government organizations take the lead from the administration.   You can say everyone was unprepared, but there was information out there in Dec/Jan and the leader/party that is in power and asked for votes so they could be in power and in-charge failed to act soon enough.   If someone that works for me fails to start a project and the client gets mad, they are calling me because  it is my fault and failure to lead. 

Sure, we were unprepared before Trump took office.  But there were two months practically that the US failed to lead and take action. 

Not trying to poke the bear, but in all fairness the only thing the Democrats were focused on was the ongoing impeachment when the initial news broke. Not saying this is their fault, just stating that they had their minds elsewhere as well. I do agree with many of your points.

***This is not an endorsement for trump***

What role would Congress have in preparedness, though? That's some combo of CDC, FDA, other HHS agencies, and the Executive branch, no? If we had well-run institutions, I'd think both things could have been managed concurrently. 

Thoughts_Arrive

MayDay10 said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

You know why I am mad?
My friend's fiance just gave birth to their first child and she is so isolated because we are not allowed out of our homes.
She would love to go to mother's groups and get support from new mothers and do baby yoga and go for a walk with a pram.
But she's seriously stressed and isolated. She's on her own with her baby.
She reached out on Facebook asking if anyone has baby paracetamol as her baby is unwell and none is available at her local pharmacies because greedy idiots stockpiled. All this because China did not alert the world.

Everyone is pissed and is making sacrifices to some degree.

We dont need to invent something to levy blame on.  Things arent always so easy and black and white... even though the human mind seeks that clarity.  At some point, when this is over, the international committee will figure it out and hopefully work together to prevent this from happening again.  

Everything I have read from reputable sources says that there is no way this virus is man-made.

If not man made, then why does the CCP continue to allow the sale and consumption of animals know to carry the virus?
Why does the CCP allow unhygienic wet markets to exist?
The CCP needs to change its behaviour to prevent this happening again. 
SARS, swine flu, MERS, Covid-19, all from China thanks to the CCP.

Thoughts_Arrive

My friend called conspiracy theorists racist which I do not understand. Nothing racist in theorising how the virus started and who is responsible. To me racism is holding negative attitudes towards someone because of their ethnic background or skin colour. But each to their own.

MayDay10

Yes.  But let's visit that later.

Creating anger and paranoia and division is not what the world needs right now.

Thoughts_Arrive

I don't get why everyone is ganging up on me and why I am despised. It makes me feel shit. So I need to conform to popular opinion here to be liked?
There will never be a later because everyone loves cheap goods made by cheap labour and so all will be forgiven and forgotten.

First J, now FMITB :(

Spunkie

I'm down with the conspiracy theories, but that's mostly because I don't trust, generally speaking. Take it easy guys, water under the bridge.

Night all you pj party ppl.

Thoughts_Arrive

Everyone dislikes me now.
I'm losing friends here left right and centre and even in real life all over this virus.
I might as well die from the virus.
J has ghosted me, FMITB does not want to talk to me anymore, Renfield is upset at me, and many more.

cincybearcat

F Me In The Brain said:

Thoughts Arrive?, go ahead and play your crazy game.
Pissing people off is allowed.  Don't let my distaste for you and your tactics to slow your roll 

But of course when you remove all bias against a poster the fact remains that the Chinese market and the Chinese government have a huge amount of blame they have earned. So yeah, fuck the Chinese government. 

hedonist

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Everyone dislikes me now.
I'm losing friends here left right and centre and even in real life all over this virus.
I might as well die from the virus.
J has ghosted me, FMITB does not want to talk to me anymore, Renfield is upset at me, and many more.

Oh jesus. Please stop with the melodrama here already. 

Some people disagree. Some people don’t like each other. 

Big deal.