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  • Eilian
    Eilian Posts: 276
    mcgruff10 said:
    @Eilian just listened to this song again and I finally understand what you are talking about with mike s solo.  I actually agree with you.  Mike definitely could have elevated this solo.  (Maybe he will live)
    Eek - can't see the live version being more thought out, but all digits crossed. It's still got a cool swagger overall.
  • Whywhyzed
    Whywhyzed Posts: 270
    Eilian said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    A non-guitarist commenting on a solo is hilarious...
    Commenting negatively, you mean?

    If I had said it was the best solo I'd ever heard, my not being a lead guitarist wouldn't have devalued my opinion at all, would it?
    My absolute favorite all time guitar solo occurs in Flowers of Guatemala by REM/Peter Buck.

    It's simple but just drips emotion.

    Not sure how that relates here though, lol. Carry on.
  • Eilian
    Eilian Posts: 276
    Whywhyzed said:
    Eilian said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    A non-guitarist commenting on a solo is hilarious...
    Commenting negatively, you mean?

    If I had said it was the best solo I'd ever heard, my not being a lead guitarist wouldn't have devalued my opinion at all, would it?
    My absolute favorite all time guitar solo occurs in Flowers of Guatemala by REM/Peter Buck.

    It's simple but just drips emotion.

    Not sure how that relates here though, lol. Carry on.
    The solo in that song is exactly what it needs. Simple, but melodic. 

    My favourite solo of all time is My Sharona by The Knack - it's a complete song within a song. Proper technical in parts but always tasteful, never gratuitous... Painstakingly thought out. It's extraordinary.
  • Tremorman
    Tremorman Posts: 392
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:

    I don’t mean to get all inside baseball, but are you a musician? I ask because of your “lazy noodling” comment. 
    Of some description, yeah.
    You really think lazy noodling would be put in this record?
    It does it's best to ruin Quick Escape.

    That end solo sounds like a one-take improv. It's horrible.
    Could you play it on the guitar?
    What are you, 12?

    I'm not a lead guitarist. 
    Then how do you make generalizations about it if you have no idea the degree of difficulty it took?
    Are you being serious?

    I'm acutely aware of my limitations as a guitarist. And am equally aware of how difficult technical shredding is. I also understand melody, and McCready's improvs are all too often devoid of it. Solos shouldn't be just noodley fret-wanking that goes nowhere, they should elevate the song with a melody of their own.

    Forget me, MCCREADY is capable of serving that song better (His solo in SBWM is both technical and serves the section it's played over perfectly) - perhaps he just needs to be reined in more consistently by a producer. 
    SBWM solo doesn’t serve the song that well, feels like it’s from a completely different song and has wrong vibe. QE solo is much better, not close.
  • Eilian
    Eilian Posts: 276
    edited March 2020
    Tremorman said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:

    I don’t mean to get all inside baseball, but are you a musician? I ask because of your “lazy noodling” comment. 
    Of some description, yeah.
    You really think lazy noodling would be put in this record?
    It does it's best to ruin Quick Escape.

    That end solo sounds like a one-take improv. It's horrible.
    Could you play it on the guitar?
    What are you, 12?

    I'm not a lead guitarist. 
    Then how do you make generalizations about it if you have no idea the degree of difficulty it took?
    Are you being serious?

    I'm acutely aware of my limitations as a guitarist. And am equally aware of how difficult technical shredding is. I also understand melody, and McCready's improvs are all too often devoid of it. Solos shouldn't be just noodley fret-wanking that goes nowhere, they should elevate the song with a melody of their own.

    Forget me, MCCREADY is capable of serving that song better (His solo in SBWM is both technical and serves the section it's played over perfectly) - perhaps he just needs to be reined in more consistently by a producer. 
    SBWM solo doesn’t serve the song that well, feels like it’s from a completely different song and has wrong vibe. QE solo is much better, not close.
    Fair enough - but QE sounds, as I say, like a one-take improv, whereas - to my ear at least - SBWM sounds like he planned it out.

    PS - Didn't feel that way on first listen.
    Post edited by Eilian on
  • on2legs
    on2legs Posts: 16,070
    Eilian said:
    Tremorman said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:

    I don’t mean to get all inside baseball, but are you a musician? I ask because of your “lazy noodling” comment. 
    Of some description, yeah.
    You really think lazy noodling would be put in this record?
    It does it's best to ruin Quick Escape.

    That end solo sounds like a one-take improv. It's horrible.
    Could you play it on the guitar?
    What are you, 12?

    I'm not a lead guitarist. 
    Then how do you make generalizations about it if you have no idea the degree of difficulty it took?
    Are you being serious?

    I'm acutely aware of my limitations as a guitarist. And am equally aware of how difficult technical shredding is. I also understand melody, and McCready's improvs are all too often devoid of it. Solos shouldn't be just noodley fret-wanking that goes nowhere, they should elevate the song with a melody of their own.

    Forget me, MCCREADY is capable of serving that song better (His solo in SBWM is both technical and serves the section it's played over perfectly) - perhaps he just needs to be reined in more consistently by a producer. 
    SBWM solo doesn’t serve the song that well, feels like it’s from a completely different song and has wrong vibe. QE solo is much better, not close.
    Fair enough - but QE sounds, as I say, like a one-take improv, whereas - to my ear at least - SBWM sounds like he planned it out.

    PS - Didn't feel that way on first listen.
    It really sounds like you’re upset with Mike about this solo. I’m sure with counseling you’ll come to forgive him. 
    1996: Randall's Island 2  1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2  2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel  2005: Atlantic City 1  2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 (#25) | Newark (EV)  2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4  2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2  2011: Toronto 1  2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore  2015: Central Park  2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD)  2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF)  2020: MSG | Asbury Park  2021: Asbury Park  2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville  2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore  2025: Raleigh 2


  • BrainofBGA
    BrainofBGA Australia Posts: 4,562
    Who taps their foot in the intro to Who Ever Said!? Such a rocking beginning! 
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  • Eilian
    Eilian Posts: 276
    on2legs said:
    Eilian said:
    Tremorman said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:

    I don’t mean to get all inside baseball, but are you a musician? I ask because of your “lazy noodling” comment. 
    Of some description, yeah.
    You really think lazy noodling would be put in this record?
    It does it's best to ruin Quick Escape.

    That end solo sounds like a one-take improv. It's horrible.
    Could you play it on the guitar?
    What are you, 12?

    I'm not a lead guitarist. 
    Then how do you make generalizations about it if you have no idea the degree of difficulty it took?
    Are you being serious?

    I'm acutely aware of my limitations as a guitarist. And am equally aware of how difficult technical shredding is. I also understand melody, and McCready's improvs are all too often devoid of it. Solos shouldn't be just noodley fret-wanking that goes nowhere, they should elevate the song with a melody of their own.

    Forget me, MCCREADY is capable of serving that song better (His solo in SBWM is both technical and serves the section it's played over perfectly) - perhaps he just needs to be reined in more consistently by a producer. 
    SBWM solo doesn’t serve the song that well, feels like it’s from a completely different song and has wrong vibe. QE solo is much better, not close.
    Fair enough - but QE sounds, as I say, like a one-take improv, whereas - to my ear at least - SBWM sounds like he planned it out.

    PS - Didn't feel that way on first listen.
    It really sounds like you’re upset with Mike about this solo. I’m sure with counseling you’ll come to forgive him. 
    It's not just this solo. It's almost every live improv of the last 20 years.

    To be fair to him, more often that not, the recorded versions work well.
  • on2legs
    on2legs Posts: 16,070
    Eilian said:
    on2legs said:
    Eilian said:
    Tremorman said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:

    I don’t mean to get all inside baseball, but are you a musician? I ask because of your “lazy noodling” comment. 
    Of some description, yeah.
    You really think lazy noodling would be put in this record?
    It does it's best to ruin Quick Escape.

    That end solo sounds like a one-take improv. It's horrible.
    Could you play it on the guitar?
    What are you, 12?

    I'm not a lead guitarist. 
    Then how do you make generalizations about it if you have no idea the degree of difficulty it took?
    Are you being serious?

    I'm acutely aware of my limitations as a guitarist. And am equally aware of how difficult technical shredding is. I also understand melody, and McCready's improvs are all too often devoid of it. Solos shouldn't be just noodley fret-wanking that goes nowhere, they should elevate the song with a melody of their own.

    Forget me, MCCREADY is capable of serving that song better (His solo in SBWM is both technical and serves the section it's played over perfectly) - perhaps he just needs to be reined in more consistently by a producer. 
    SBWM solo doesn’t serve the song that well, feels like it’s from a completely different song and has wrong vibe. QE solo is much better, not close.
    Fair enough - but QE sounds, as I say, like a one-take improv, whereas - to my ear at least - SBWM sounds like he planned it out.

    PS - Didn't feel that way on first listen.
    It really sounds like you’re upset with Mike about this solo. I’m sure with counseling you’ll come to forgive him. 
    It's not just this solo. It's almost every live improv of the last 20 years.

    To be fair to him, more often that not, the recorded versions work well.
    Just know that we’re here for you. Things will get better and you will be able to move past this. 
    1996: Randall's Island 2  1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2  2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel  2005: Atlantic City 1  2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 (#25) | Newark (EV)  2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4  2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2  2011: Toronto 1  2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore  2015: Central Park  2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD)  2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF)  2020: MSG | Asbury Park  2021: Asbury Park  2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville  2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore  2025: Raleigh 2


  • Eilian
    Eilian Posts: 276
    on2legs said:
    Eilian said:
    on2legs said:
    Eilian said:
    Tremorman said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:

    I don’t mean to get all inside baseball, but are you a musician? I ask because of your “lazy noodling” comment. 
    Of some description, yeah.
    You really think lazy noodling would be put in this record?
    It does it's best to ruin Quick Escape.

    That end solo sounds like a one-take improv. It's horrible.
    Could you play it on the guitar?
    What are you, 12?

    I'm not a lead guitarist. 
    Then how do you make generalizations about it if you have no idea the degree of difficulty it took?
    Are you being serious?

    I'm acutely aware of my limitations as a guitarist. And am equally aware of how difficult technical shredding is. I also understand melody, and McCready's improvs are all too often devoid of it. Solos shouldn't be just noodley fret-wanking that goes nowhere, they should elevate the song with a melody of their own.

    Forget me, MCCREADY is capable of serving that song better (His solo in SBWM is both technical and serves the section it's played over perfectly) - perhaps he just needs to be reined in more consistently by a producer. 
    SBWM solo doesn’t serve the song that well, feels like it’s from a completely different song and has wrong vibe. QE solo is much better, not close.
    Fair enough - but QE sounds, as I say, like a one-take improv, whereas - to my ear at least - SBWM sounds like he planned it out.

    PS - Didn't feel that way on first listen.
    It really sounds like you’re upset with Mike about this solo. I’m sure with counseling you’ll come to forgive him. 
    It's not just this solo. It's almost every live improv of the last 20 years.

    To be fair to him, more often that not, the recorded versions work well.
    Just know that we’re here for you. Things will get better and you will be able to move past this. 
    Thanks butt.
  • on2legs
    on2legs Posts: 16,070
    Eilian said:
    on2legs said:
    Eilian said:
    on2legs said:
    Eilian said:
    Tremorman said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:

    I don’t mean to get all inside baseball, but are you a musician? I ask because of your “lazy noodling” comment. 
    Of some description, yeah.
    You really think lazy noodling would be put in this record?
    It does it's best to ruin Quick Escape.

    That end solo sounds like a one-take improv. It's horrible.
    Could you play it on the guitar?
    What are you, 12?

    I'm not a lead guitarist. 
    Then how do you make generalizations about it if you have no idea the degree of difficulty it took?
    Are you being serious?

    I'm acutely aware of my limitations as a guitarist. And am equally aware of how difficult technical shredding is. I also understand melody, and McCready's improvs are all too often devoid of it. Solos shouldn't be just noodley fret-wanking that goes nowhere, they should elevate the song with a melody of their own.

    Forget me, MCCREADY is capable of serving that song better (His solo in SBWM is both technical and serves the section it's played over perfectly) - perhaps he just needs to be reined in more consistently by a producer. 
    SBWM solo doesn’t serve the song that well, feels like it’s from a completely different song and has wrong vibe. QE solo is much better, not close.
    Fair enough - but QE sounds, as I say, like a one-take improv, whereas - to my ear at least - SBWM sounds like he planned it out.

    PS - Didn't feel that way on first listen.
    It really sounds like you’re upset with Mike about this solo. I’m sure with counseling you’ll come to forgive him. 
    It's not just this solo. It's almost every live improv of the last 20 years.

    To be fair to him, more often that not, the recorded versions work well.
    Just know that we’re here for you. Things will get better and you will be able to move past this. 
    Thanks butt.
    Denial and anger are all part of the process.  I think if Mike we’re here in person he would tell you that he hasn’t been purposely playing his solos for the last 20 years to upset you. 
    1996: Randall's Island 2  1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2  2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel  2005: Atlantic City 1  2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 (#25) | Newark (EV)  2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4  2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2  2011: Toronto 1  2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore  2015: Central Park  2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD)  2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF)  2020: MSG | Asbury Park  2021: Asbury Park  2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville  2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore  2025: Raleigh 2


  • Eilian
    Eilian Posts: 276
    on2legs said:
    Eilian said:
    on2legs said:
    Eilian said:
    on2legs said:
    Eilian said:
    Tremorman said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:

    I don’t mean to get all inside baseball, but are you a musician? I ask because of your “lazy noodling” comment. 
    Of some description, yeah.
    You really think lazy noodling would be put in this record?
    It does it's best to ruin Quick Escape.

    That end solo sounds like a one-take improv. It's horrible.
    Could you play it on the guitar?
    What are you, 12?

    I'm not a lead guitarist. 
    Then how do you make generalizations about it if you have no idea the degree of difficulty it took?
    Are you being serious?

    I'm acutely aware of my limitations as a guitarist. And am equally aware of how difficult technical shredding is. I also understand melody, and McCready's improvs are all too often devoid of it. Solos shouldn't be just noodley fret-wanking that goes nowhere, they should elevate the song with a melody of their own.

    Forget me, MCCREADY is capable of serving that song better (His solo in SBWM is both technical and serves the section it's played over perfectly) - perhaps he just needs to be reined in more consistently by a producer. 
    SBWM solo doesn’t serve the song that well, feels like it’s from a completely different song and has wrong vibe. QE solo is much better, not close.
    Fair enough - but QE sounds, as I say, like a one-take improv, whereas - to my ear at least - SBWM sounds like he planned it out.

    PS - Didn't feel that way on first listen.
    It really sounds like you’re upset with Mike about this solo. I’m sure with counseling you’ll come to forgive him. 
    It's not just this solo. It's almost every live improv of the last 20 years.

    To be fair to him, more often that not, the recorded versions work well.
    Just know that we’re here for you. Things will get better and you will be able to move past this. 
    Thanks butt.
    Denial and anger are all part of the process.  I think if Mike we’re here in person he would tell you that he hasn’t been purposely playing his solos for the last 20 years to upset you. 
    I'm Welsh - "butt" is a term of endearment. Dim (no) anger here.

    But, he has been - purposely - playing them other than how he recorded them, and I think they sound worse for it.
  • on2legs
    on2legs Posts: 16,070
    Eilian said:
    on2legs said:
    Eilian said:
    on2legs said:
    Eilian said:
    on2legs said:
    Eilian said:
    Tremorman said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:

    I don’t mean to get all inside baseball, but are you a musician? I ask because of your “lazy noodling” comment. 
    Of some description, yeah.
    You really think lazy noodling would be put in this record?
    It does it's best to ruin Quick Escape.

    That end solo sounds like a one-take improv. It's horrible.
    Could you play it on the guitar?
    What are you, 12?

    I'm not a lead guitarist. 
    Then how do you make generalizations about it if you have no idea the degree of difficulty it took?
    Are you being serious?

    I'm acutely aware of my limitations as a guitarist. And am equally aware of how difficult technical shredding is. I also understand melody, and McCready's improvs are all too often devoid of it. Solos shouldn't be just noodley fret-wanking that goes nowhere, they should elevate the song with a melody of their own.

    Forget me, MCCREADY is capable of serving that song better (His solo in SBWM is both technical and serves the section it's played over perfectly) - perhaps he just needs to be reined in more consistently by a producer. 
    SBWM solo doesn’t serve the song that well, feels like it’s from a completely different song and has wrong vibe. QE solo is much better, not close.
    Fair enough - but QE sounds, as I say, like a one-take improv, whereas - to my ear at least - SBWM sounds like he planned it out.

    PS - Didn't feel that way on first listen.
    It really sounds like you’re upset with Mike about this solo. I’m sure with counseling you’ll come to forgive him. 
    It's not just this solo. It's almost every live improv of the last 20 years.

    To be fair to him, more often that not, the recorded versions work well.
    Just know that we’re here for you. Things will get better and you will be able to move past this. 
    Thanks butt.
    Denial and anger are all part of the process.  I think if Mike we’re here in person he would tell you that he hasn’t been purposely playing his solos for the last 20 years to upset you. 
    I'm Welsh - "butt" is a term of endearment. Dim (no) anger here.

    But, he has been - purposely - playing them other than how he recorded them, and I think they sound worse for it.
    Hmmm... if you’re not a fan of Mike’s live style you might want to consider that Pearl Jam might not be the band for you.  
    1996: Randall's Island 2  1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2  2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel  2005: Atlantic City 1  2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 (#25) | Newark (EV)  2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4  2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2  2011: Toronto 1  2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore  2015: Central Park  2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD)  2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF)  2020: MSG | Asbury Park  2021: Asbury Park  2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville  2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore  2025: Raleigh 2


  • Eilian
    Eilian Posts: 276
    on2legs said:
    Eilian said:
    on2legs said:
    Eilian said:
    on2legs said:
    Eilian said:
    on2legs said:
    Eilian said:
    Tremorman said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:

    I don’t mean to get all inside baseball, but are you a musician? I ask because of your “lazy noodling” comment. 
    Of some description, yeah.
    You really think lazy noodling would be put in this record?
    It does it's best to ruin Quick Escape.

    That end solo sounds like a one-take improv. It's horrible.
    Could you play it on the guitar?
    What are you, 12?

    I'm not a lead guitarist. 
    Then how do you make generalizations about it if you have no idea the degree of difficulty it took?
    Are you being serious?

    I'm acutely aware of my limitations as a guitarist. And am equally aware of how difficult technical shredding is. I also understand melody, and McCready's improvs are all too often devoid of it. Solos shouldn't be just noodley fret-wanking that goes nowhere, they should elevate the song with a melody of their own.

    Forget me, MCCREADY is capable of serving that song better (His solo in SBWM is both technical and serves the section it's played over perfectly) - perhaps he just needs to be reined in more consistently by a producer. 
    SBWM solo doesn’t serve the song that well, feels like it’s from a completely different song and has wrong vibe. QE solo is much better, not close.
    Fair enough - but QE sounds, as I say, like a one-take improv, whereas - to my ear at least - SBWM sounds like he planned it out.

    PS - Didn't feel that way on first listen.
    It really sounds like you’re upset with Mike about this solo. I’m sure with counseling you’ll come to forgive him. 
    It's not just this solo. It's almost every live improv of the last 20 years.

    To be fair to him, more often that not, the recorded versions work well.
    Just know that we’re here for you. Things will get better and you will be able to move past this. 
    Thanks butt.
    Denial and anger are all part of the process.  I think if Mike we’re here in person he would tell you that he hasn’t been purposely playing his solos for the last 20 years to upset you. 
    I'm Welsh - "butt" is a term of endearment. Dim (no) anger here.

    But, he has been - purposely - playing them other than how he recorded them, and I think they sound worse for it.
    Hmmm... if you’re not a fan of Mike’s live style you might want to consider that Pearl Jam might not be the band for you.  
    "If the bathwater gets murky, you should probably throw the baby out with it."
  • on2legs
    on2legs Posts: 16,070
    Eilian said:
    on2legs said:
    Eilian said:
    on2legs said:
    Eilian said:
    on2legs said:
    Eilian said:
    on2legs said:
    Eilian said:
    Tremorman said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:

    I don’t mean to get all inside baseball, but are you a musician? I ask because of your “lazy noodling” comment. 
    Of some description, yeah.
    You really think lazy noodling would be put in this record?
    It does it's best to ruin Quick Escape.

    That end solo sounds like a one-take improv. It's horrible.
    Could you play it on the guitar?
    What are you, 12?

    I'm not a lead guitarist. 
    Then how do you make generalizations about it if you have no idea the degree of difficulty it took?
    Are you being serious?

    I'm acutely aware of my limitations as a guitarist. And am equally aware of how difficult technical shredding is. I also understand melody, and McCready's improvs are all too often devoid of it. Solos shouldn't be just noodley fret-wanking that goes nowhere, they should elevate the song with a melody of their own.

    Forget me, MCCREADY is capable of serving that song better (His solo in SBWM is both technical and serves the section it's played over perfectly) - perhaps he just needs to be reined in more consistently by a producer. 
    SBWM solo doesn’t serve the song that well, feels like it’s from a completely different song and has wrong vibe. QE solo is much better, not close.
    Fair enough - but QE sounds, as I say, like a one-take improv, whereas - to my ear at least - SBWM sounds like he planned it out.

    PS - Didn't feel that way on first listen.
    It really sounds like you’re upset with Mike about this solo. I’m sure with counseling you’ll come to forgive him. 
    It's not just this solo. It's almost every live improv of the last 20 years.

    To be fair to him, more often that not, the recorded versions work well.
    Just know that we’re here for you. Things will get better and you will be able to move past this. 
    Thanks butt.
    Denial and anger are all part of the process.  I think if Mike we’re here in person he would tell you that he hasn’t been purposely playing his solos for the last 20 years to upset you. 
    I'm Welsh - "butt" is a term of endearment. Dim (no) anger here.

    But, he has been - purposely - playing them other than how he recorded them, and I think they sound worse for it.
    Hmmm... if you’re not a fan of Mike’s live style you might want to consider that Pearl Jam might not be the band for you.  
    "If the bathwater gets murky, you should probably throw the baby out with it."
    It sounds like the bathwater is really upsetting to you.  Maybe just try to enjoy the record for what it is and not worry about what it isn't. 

    1996: Randall's Island 2  1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2  2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel  2005: Atlantic City 1  2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 (#25) | Newark (EV)  2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4  2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2  2011: Toronto 1  2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore  2015: Central Park  2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD)  2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF)  2020: MSG | Asbury Park  2021: Asbury Park  2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville  2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore  2025: Raleigh 2


  • Eilian
    Eilian Posts: 276
    on2legs said:
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    I don’t mean to get all inside baseball, but are you a musician? I ask because of your “lazy noodling” comment. 
    Of some description, yeah.
    You really think lazy noodling would be put in this record?
    It does it's best to ruin Quick Escape.

    That end solo sounds like a one-take improv. It's horrible.
    Could you play it on the guitar?
    What are you, 12?

    I'm not a lead guitarist. 
    Then how do you make generalizations about it if you have no idea the degree of difficulty it took?
    Are you being serious?

    I'm acutely aware of my limitations as a guitarist. And am equally aware of how difficult technical shredding is. I also understand melody, and McCready's improvs are all too often devoid of it. Solos shouldn't be just noodley fret-wanking that goes nowhere, they should elevate the song with a melody of their own.

    Forget me, MCCREADY is capable of serving that song better (His solo in SBWM is both technical and serves the section it's played over perfectly) - perhaps he just needs to be reined in more consistently by a producer. 
    SBWM solo doesn’t serve the song that well, feels like it’s from a completely different song and has wrong vibe. QE solo is much better, not close.
    Fair enough - but QE sounds, as I say, like a one-take improv, whereas - to my ear at least - SBWM sounds like he planned it out.

    PS - Didn't feel that way on first listen.
    It really sounds like you’re upset with Mike about this solo. I’m sure with counseling you’ll come to forgive him. 
    It's not just this solo. It's almost every live improv of the last 20 years.

    To be fair to him, more often that not, the recorded versions work well.
    Just know that we’re here for you. Things will get better and you will be able to move past this. 
    Thanks butt.
    Denial and anger are all part of the process.  I think if Mike we’re here in person he would tell you that he hasn’t been purposely playing his solos for the last 20 years to upset you. 
    I'm Welsh - "butt" is a term of endearment. Dim (no) anger here.

    But, he has been - purposely - playing them other than how he recorded them, and I think they sound worse for it.
    Hmmm... if you’re not a fan of Mike’s live style you might want to consider that Pearl Jam might not be the band for you.  
    "If the bathwater gets murky, you should probably throw the baby out with it."
    It sounds like the bathwater is really upsetting to you.  Maybe just try to enjoy the record for what it is and not worry about what it isn't. 

    You sound very invested in this idea of me being really upset. It's actually quite strange.

    You were supposed to glean from the bathwater comment, how ridiculous your suggestion that my preferring McCready's studio efforts to his live ones, should somehow make me less of a fan.

    Your comments are cultish and creepy, like I need to swear an oath of allegiance.

    Honestly, I think you're more concerned with how little I like this record than even I am.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    Eilian said:
    on2legs said:
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    Tremorman said:
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    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
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    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:

    I don’t mean to get all inside baseball, but are you a musician? I ask because of your “lazy noodling” comment. 
    Of some description, yeah.
    You really think lazy noodling would be put in this record?
    It does it's best to ruin Quick Escape.

    That end solo sounds like a one-take improv. It's horrible.
    Could you play it on the guitar?
    What are you, 12?

    I'm not a lead guitarist. 
    Then how do you make generalizations about it if you have no idea the degree of difficulty it took?
    Are you being serious?

    I'm acutely aware of my limitations as a guitarist. And am equally aware of how difficult technical shredding is. I also understand melody, and McCready's improvs are all too often devoid of it. Solos shouldn't be just noodley fret-wanking that goes nowhere, they should elevate the song with a melody of their own.

    Forget me, MCCREADY is capable of serving that song better (His solo in SBWM is both technical and serves the section it's played over perfectly) - perhaps he just needs to be reined in more consistently by a producer. 
    SBWM solo doesn’t serve the song that well, feels like it’s from a completely different song and has wrong vibe. QE solo is much better, not close.
    Fair enough - but QE sounds, as I say, like a one-take improv, whereas - to my ear at least - SBWM sounds like he planned it out.

    PS - Didn't feel that way on first listen.
    It really sounds like you’re upset with Mike about this solo. I’m sure with counseling you’ll come to forgive him. 
    It's not just this solo. It's almost every live improv of the last 20 years.

    To be fair to him, more often that not, the recorded versions work well.
    Just know that we’re here for you. Things will get better and you will be able to move past this. 
    Thanks butt.
    Denial and anger are all part of the process.  I think if Mike we’re here in person he would tell you that he hasn’t been purposely playing his solos for the last 20 years to upset you. 
    I'm Welsh - "butt" is a term of endearment. Dim (no) anger here.

    But, he has been - purposely - playing them other than how he recorded them, and I think they sound worse for it.
    Hmmm... if you’re not a fan of Mike’s live style you might want to consider that Pearl Jam might not be the band for you.  
    "If the bathwater gets murky, you should probably throw the baby out with it."
    It sounds like the bathwater is really upsetting to you.  Maybe just try to enjoy the record for what it is and not worry about what it isn't. 

    You sound very invested in this idea of me being really upset. It's actually quite strange.

    You were supposed to glean from the bathwater comment, how ridiculous your suggestion that my preferring McCready's studio efforts to his live ones, should somehow make me less of a fan.

    Your comments are cultish and creepy, like I need to swear an oath of allegiance.

    Honestly, I think you're more concerned with how little I like this record than even I am.
    Are you gutted by his post?
    www.myspace.com
  • Eilian
    Eilian Posts: 276
    The Juggler said:
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    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
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    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:

    I don’t mean to get all inside baseball, but are you a musician? I ask because of your “lazy noodling” comment. 
    Of some description, yeah.
    You really think lazy noodling would be put in this record?
    It does it's best to ruin Quick Escape.

    That end solo sounds like a one-take improv. It's horrible.
    Could you play it on the guitar?
    What are you, 12?

    I'm not a lead guitarist. 
    Then how do you make generalizations about it if you have no idea the degree of difficulty it took?
    Are you being serious?

    I'm acutely aware of my limitations as a guitarist. And am equally aware of how difficult technical shredding is. I also understand melody, and McCready's improvs are all too often devoid of it. Solos shouldn't be just noodley fret-wanking that goes nowhere, they should elevate the song with a melody of their own.

    Forget me, MCCREADY is capable of serving that song better (His solo in SBWM is both technical and serves the section it's played over perfectly) - perhaps he just needs to be reined in more consistently by a producer. 
    SBWM solo doesn’t serve the song that well, feels like it’s from a completely different song and has wrong vibe. QE solo is much better, not close.
    Fair enough - but QE sounds, as I say, like a one-take improv, whereas - to my ear at least - SBWM sounds like he planned it out.

    PS - Didn't feel that way on first listen.
    It really sounds like you’re upset with Mike about this solo. I’m sure with counseling you’ll come to forgive him. 
    It's not just this solo. It's almost every live improv of the last 20 years.

    To be fair to him, more often that not, the recorded versions work well.
    Just know that we’re here for you. Things will get better and you will be able to move past this. 
    Thanks butt.
    Denial and anger are all part of the process.  I think if Mike we’re here in person he would tell you that he hasn’t been purposely playing his solos for the last 20 years to upset you. 
    I'm Welsh - "butt" is a term of endearment. Dim (no) anger here.

    But, he has been - purposely - playing them other than how he recorded them, and I think they sound worse for it.
    Hmmm... if you’re not a fan of Mike’s live style you might want to consider that Pearl Jam might not be the band for you.  
    "If the bathwater gets murky, you should probably throw the baby out with it."
    It sounds like the bathwater is really upsetting to you.  Maybe just try to enjoy the record for what it is and not worry about what it isn't. 

    You sound very invested in this idea of me being really upset. It's actually quite strange.

    You were supposed to glean from the bathwater comment, how ridiculous your suggestion that my preferring McCready's studio efforts to his live ones, should somehow make me less of a fan.

    Your comments are cultish and creepy, like I need to swear an oath of allegiance.

    Honestly, I think you're more concerned with how little I like this record than even I am.
    Are you gutted by his post?
    And I’M the troll?
  • on2legs
    on2legs Posts: 16,070
    Eilian said:
    on2legs said:
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    on2legs said:
    Eilian said:
    Tremorman said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:

    I don’t mean to get all inside baseball, but are you a musician? I ask because of your “lazy noodling” comment. 
    Of some description, yeah.
    You really think lazy noodling would be put in this record?
    It does it's best to ruin Quick Escape.

    That end solo sounds like a one-take improv. It's horrible.
    Could you play it on the guitar?
    What are you, 12?

    I'm not a lead guitarist. 
    Then how do you make generalizations about it if you have no idea the degree of difficulty it took?
    Are you being serious?

    I'm acutely aware of my limitations as a guitarist. And am equally aware of how difficult technical shredding is. I also understand melody, and McCready's improvs are all too often devoid of it. Solos shouldn't be just noodley fret-wanking that goes nowhere, they should elevate the song with a melody of their own.

    Forget me, MCCREADY is capable of serving that song better (His solo in SBWM is both technical and serves the section it's played over perfectly) - perhaps he just needs to be reined in more consistently by a producer. 
    SBWM solo doesn’t serve the song that well, feels like it’s from a completely different song and has wrong vibe. QE solo is much better, not close.
    Fair enough - but QE sounds, as I say, like a one-take improv, whereas - to my ear at least - SBWM sounds like he planned it out.

    PS - Didn't feel that way on first listen.
    It really sounds like you’re upset with Mike about this solo. I’m sure with counseling you’ll come to forgive him. 
    It's not just this solo. It's almost every live improv of the last 20 years.

    To be fair to him, more often that not, the recorded versions work well.
    Just know that we’re here for you. Things will get better and you will be able to move past this. 
    Thanks butt.
    Denial and anger are all part of the process.  I think if Mike we’re here in person he would tell you that he hasn’t been purposely playing his solos for the last 20 years to upset you. 
    I'm Welsh - "butt" is a term of endearment. Dim (no) anger here.

    But, he has been - purposely - playing them other than how he recorded them, and I think they sound worse for it.
    Hmmm... if you’re not a fan of Mike’s live style you might want to consider that Pearl Jam might not be the band for you.  
    "If the bathwater gets murky, you should probably throw the baby out with it."
    It sounds like the bathwater is really upsetting to you.  Maybe just try to enjoy the record for what it is and not worry about what it isn't. 

    You sound very invested in this idea of me being really upset. It's actually quite strange.

    You were supposed to glean from the bathwater comment, how ridiculous your suggestion that my preferring McCready's studio efforts to his live ones, should somehow make me less of a fan.

    Your comments are cultish and creepy, like I need to swear an oath of allegiance.

    Honestly, I think you're more concerned with how little I like this record than even I am.
    You sound terribly upset about this solo.  We’ve heard it in post after post.  It sounds like an obsession. Why not just enjoy the record for what it is and not what it isn’t?
    1996: Randall's Island 2  1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2  2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel  2005: Atlantic City 1  2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 (#25) | Newark (EV)  2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4  2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2  2011: Toronto 1  2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore  2015: Central Park  2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD)  2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF)  2020: MSG | Asbury Park  2021: Asbury Park  2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville  2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore  2025: Raleigh 2


  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,502
    Finally got to play this album while driving. Amazing how little I do that these days. This song was a killer one to drive to. Found myself accelerating excessively near the end when Ed and Matt start increasing the tempo. I think it's one of their strongest opening tracks to put on an album. I also like how the intro is that first little snippet we ever got to hear when the promos for the album came out.
    It's a hopeless situation...

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