Can we quit ruining this thread about the new song? Someone doesn't like it, expressed their opinion and people can't seem to let it go. Who cares. No one is going to change someone else's opinion.
Overall, this is the most positive reviews I've seen of a new PJ album since I've been on these boards and so far no one has called it crap or dad rock. Of course it's not Ten or Vs., but that doesn't mean it isn't a good album.
I'm the only one who thinks that kalimba completely ruins it, then?
Aw c'mon.
I'm a troll? I've been pretty balanced.
WhAt is your top three on this album? Today i m going: comes then goes (fun to play on guitar), never destination (got that black, red, yellow vibe) and quick escape. I cant believe how well I have connected to this album already.
Just talk to me directly, dude. I'll happily tell you what I think.
Over and over and over again.
It's a discussion board, and I've been responding to people who have engaged with me, even insulted me.
The sorts of people you were perhaps looking to send my way when you rifled through my post history and "othered" me with your, "He is not..." move.
It's odd that you would not have clued in to the fact that me posting that shows you have a history of not liking the style of guitar playing at the end of Who Ever Said. That actually supports your claim you are not a troll and just are not a fan. Instead you took the paranoid route that I did it to send people after you. You are entitled to your opinion it is just the delivery that needs some work in my opinion.
I'm the only one who thinks that kalimba completely ruins it, then?
Aw c'mon.
I'm a troll? I've been pretty balanced.
WhAt is your top three on this album? Today i m going: comes then goes (fun to play on guitar), never destination (got that black, red, yellow vibe) and quick escape. I cant believe how well I have connected to this album already.
Think Dance of the Clairvoyants is really great start to finish, so that's taking my number one spot at the mo. Quick Escape is, up to the last minute, a really cool jam, so that's my number two And at three, Retrograde is really quite pretty, but I'm not sold on all the ambient noise at the climax - reckon this might sound better live where they can't necessarily replicate that kind of stuff.
Just talk to me directly, dude. I'll happily tell you what I think.
Over and over and over again.
It's a discussion board, and I've been responding to people who have engaged with me, even insulted me.
The sorts of people you were perhaps looking to send my way when you rifled through my post history and "othered" me with your, "He is not..." move.
It's odd that you would not have clued in to the fact that me posting that shows you have a history of not liking the style of guitar playing at the end of Who Ever Said. That actually supports your claim you are not a troll and just are not a fan. Instead you took the paranoid route that I did it to send people after you. You are entitled to your opinion it is just the delivery that needs some work in my opinion.
And I have no idea how my delivery, given how balanced I've been, could be modified to satisfy you.
Whether you intended to rally support against me or not, that's precisely the effect it had - the very next post was from someone else who'd gone rifling through my history to call me a troll.
Just talk to me directly, dude. I'll happily tell you what I think.
Over and over and over again.
It's a discussion board, and I've been responding to people who have engaged with me, even insulted me.
The sorts of people you were perhaps looking to send my way when you rifled through my post history and "othered" me with your, "He is not..." move.
It's odd that you would not have clued in to the fact that me posting that shows you have a history of not liking the style of guitar playing at the end of Who Ever Said. That actually supports your claim you are not a troll and just are not a fan. Instead you took the paranoid route that I did it to send people after you. You are entitled to your opinion it is just the delivery that needs some work in my opinion.
And I have no idea how my delivery, given how balanced I've been, could be modified to satisfy you.
Whether you intended to rally support against me or not, that's precisely the effect it had - the very next post was from someone else who'd gone rifling through my history to call me a troll.
Uh... your pompous and condescending comments about Mike “noodling” and being “lazy” moved people to respond.
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Just talk to me directly, dude. I'll happily tell you what I think.
Over and over and over again.
It's a discussion board, and I've been responding to people who have engaged with me, even insulted me.
The sorts of people you were perhaps looking to send my way when you rifled through my post history and "othered" me with your, "He is not..." move.
It's odd that you would not have clued in to the fact that me posting that shows you have a history of not liking the style of guitar playing at the end of Who Ever Said. That actually supports your claim you are not a troll and just are not a fan. Instead you took the paranoid route that I did it to send people after you. You are entitled to your opinion it is just the delivery that needs some work in my opinion.
And I have no idea how my delivery, given how balanced I've been, could be modified to satisfy you.
Whether you intended to rally support against me or not, that's precisely the effect it had - the very next post was from someone else who'd gone rifling through my history to call me a troll.
Uh... your pompous and condescending comments about Mike “noodling” and being “lazy” moved people to respond.
Nothing pompous or condescending about my using either of those words in the context of my comments. He's capable of more thoughtful, smarter playing. I'm beginning to think that you're actually trying to troll me now.
I'm the only one who thinks that kalimba completely ruins it, then?
Aw c'mon.
I'm a troll? I've been pretty balanced.
WhAt is your top three on this album? Today i m going: comes then goes (fun to play on guitar), never destination (got that black, red, yellow vibe) and quick escape. I cant believe how well I have connected to this album already.
Think Dance of the Clairvoyants is really great start to finish, so that's taking my number one spot at the mo. Quick Escape is, up to the last minute, a really cool jam, so that's my number two And at three, Retrograde is really quite pretty, but I'm not sold on all the ambient noise at the climax - reckon this might sound better live where they can't necessarily replicate that kind of stuff.
That's cool that it resonates with you.
Dance has really really grown on me. I hated it when it first came out but now I am really enjoying it. Retrograde is awesome, I think mike is playing a 12 string on that one (?). I could see that one jamming out for awhile live.
I'm the only one who thinks that kalimba completely ruins it, then?
Aw c'mon.
I'm a troll? I've been pretty balanced.
WhAt is your top three on this album? Today i m going: comes then goes (fun to play on guitar), never destination (got that black, red, yellow vibe) and quick escape. I cant believe how well I have connected to this album already.
Think Dance of the Clairvoyants is really great start to finish, so that's taking my number one spot at the mo. Quick Escape is, up to the last minute, a really cool jam, so that's my number two And at three, Retrograde is really quite pretty, but I'm not sold on all the ambient noise at the climax - reckon this might sound better live where they can't necessarily replicate that kind of stuff.
That's cool that it resonates with you.
Dance has really really grown on me. I hated it when it first came out but now I am really enjoying it. Retrograde is awesome, I think mike is playing a 12 string on that one (?). I could see that one jamming out for awhile live.
It would be cool to see Retrograde get the Immortality treatment like you said with a nice extension on the end.
With regards to Who Ever Said it has really jumped up spots for me on this album. Really loving it as an opener and look forward to seeing what they do with it live.
I'm the only one who thinks that kalimba completely ruins it, then?
Aw c'mon.
I'm a troll? I've been pretty balanced.
WhAt is your top three on this album? Today i m going: comes then goes (fun to play on guitar), never destination (got that black, red, yellow vibe) and quick escape. I cant believe how well I have connected to this album already.
Think Dance of the Clairvoyants is really great start to finish, so that's taking my number one spot at the mo. Quick Escape is, up to the last minute, a really cool jam, so that's my number two And at three, Retrograde is really quite pretty, but I'm not sold on all the ambient noise at the climax - reckon this might sound better live where they can't necessarily replicate that kind of stuff.
That's cool that it resonates with you.
Dance has really really grown on me. I hated it when it first came out but now I am really enjoying it. Retrograde is awesome, I think mike is playing a 12 string on that one (?). I could see that one jamming out for awhile live.
Dance is great - a properly successful experiment. I love how much of a departure from the norm it is. I love that they must still get enthused about being playful with new sounds to produce something like that. Curious to see whether they keep all the electronic elements live.
Generally prefer they stick tighter to structure over extended jams, but yeah, Retrograde is a very pretty guitar part and melody. Looking forward to it live.
I'm the only one who thinks that kalimba completely ruins it, then?
Aw c'mon.
I'm a troll? I've been pretty balanced.
WhAt is your top three on this album? Today i m going: comes then goes (fun to play on guitar), never destination (got that black, red, yellow vibe) and quick escape. I cant believe how well I have connected to this album already.
Think Dance of the Clairvoyants is really great start to finish, so that's taking my number one spot at the mo. Quick Escape is, up to the last minute, a really cool jam, so that's my number two And at three, Retrograde is really quite pretty, but I'm not sold on all the ambient noise at the climax - reckon this might sound better live where they can't necessarily replicate that kind of stuff.
That's cool that it resonates with you.
Dance has really really grown on me. I hated it when it first came out but now I am really enjoying it. Retrograde is awesome, I think mike is playing a 12 string on that one (?). I could see that one jamming out for awhile live.
Dance is great - a properly successful experiment. I love how much of a departure from the norm it is. I love that they must still get enthused about being playful with new sounds to produce something like that. Curious to see whether they keep all the electronic elements live.
Generally prefer they stick tighter to structure over extended jams, but yeah, Retrograde is a very pretty guitar part and melody. Looking forward to it live.
I've played guitar for 24 years (yikes) but by no means can I play a lick of lead lol. So my question to you is, take porch for instance. Do you like how mike plays the solo/jam part now (to me it seems like he is just trying to hit as many notes as possible in a short amount of time) or like in 2006 when the jam kind of went somewhere. examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQe65JLjNMY east rutherford, 2006 night 2. Could be my favorite jam ever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZVrPGPe5Tg krakow, 2018
I'm the only one who thinks that kalimba completely ruins it, then?
Aw c'mon.
I'm a troll? I've been pretty balanced.
WhAt is your top three on this album? Today i m going: comes then goes (fun to play on guitar), never destination (got that black, red, yellow vibe) and quick escape. I cant believe how well I have connected to this album already.
Think Dance of the Clairvoyants is really great start to finish, so that's taking my number one spot at the mo. Quick Escape is, up to the last minute, a really cool jam, so that's my number two And at three, Retrograde is really quite pretty, but I'm not sold on all the ambient noise at the climax - reckon this might sound better live where they can't necessarily replicate that kind of stuff.
That's cool that it resonates with you.
Dance has really really grown on me. I hated it when it first came out but now I am really enjoying it. Retrograde is awesome, I think mike is playing a 12 string on that one (?). I could see that one jamming out for awhile live.
Dance is great - a properly successful experiment. I love how much of a departure from the norm it is. I love that they must still get enthused about being playful with new sounds to produce something like that. Curious to see whether they keep all the electronic elements live.
Generally prefer they stick tighter to structure over extended jams, but yeah, Retrograde is a very pretty guitar part and melody. Looking forward to it live.
I've played guitar for 24 years (yikes) but by no means can I play a lick of lead lol. So my question to you is, take porch for instance. Do you like how mike plays the solo/jam part now (to me it seems like he is just trying to hit as many notes as possible in a short amount of time) or like in 2006 when the jam kind of went somewhere. examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQe65JLjNMY east rutherford, 2006 night 2. Could be my favorite jam ever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZVrPGPe5Tg krakow, 2018
Look forward to your thoughts. Mike
Yo - If they must do extended jams, I'd always rather they go somewhere, so yeah, I'd take the 2006 one of the two. But truth be told, I don't think any of the songs they stretch out into jams benefit from it. I think they all sound better the more focussed they are. Even though I love so many of McCready's recorded contributions as much as I do, I don't think he's technical enough to consistently pull off live improvs - like, he's not a virtuoso - he's not Paul Gilbert, or even Nuno Bettencourt.
I get that people love it when he goes off on one for five minutes, but I'd rather they squeeze another song into the set list instead.
Can't have it all though, eh. I'll still be fanboying like lunatic when the Hyde Park gig finally happens.
I'm the only one who thinks that kalimba completely ruins it, then?
Aw c'mon.
I'm a troll? I've been pretty balanced.
WhAt is your top three on this album? Today i m going: comes then goes (fun to play on guitar), never destination (got that black, red, yellow vibe) and quick escape. I cant believe how well I have connected to this album already.
Think Dance of the Clairvoyants is really great start to finish, so that's taking my number one spot at the mo. Quick Escape is, up to the last minute, a really cool jam, so that's my number two And at three, Retrograde is really quite pretty, but I'm not sold on all the ambient noise at the climax - reckon this might sound better live where they can't necessarily replicate that kind of stuff.
That's cool that it resonates with you.
Dance has really really grown on me. I hated it when it first came out but now I am really enjoying it. Retrograde is awesome, I think mike is playing a 12 string on that one (?). I could see that one jamming out for awhile live.
Dance is great - a properly successful experiment. I love how much of a departure from the norm it is. I love that they must still get enthused about being playful with new sounds to produce something like that. Curious to see whether they keep all the electronic elements live.
Generally prefer they stick tighter to structure over extended jams, but yeah, Retrograde is a very pretty guitar part and melody. Looking forward to it live.
I've played guitar for 24 years (yikes) but by no means can I play a lick of lead lol. So my question to you is, take porch for instance. Do you like how mike plays the solo/jam part now (to me it seems like he is just trying to hit as many notes as possible in a short amount of time) or like in 2006 when the jam kind of went somewhere. examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQe65JLjNMY east rutherford, 2006 night 2. Could be my favorite jam ever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZVrPGPe5Tg krakow, 2018
Look forward to your thoughts. Mike
Yo - If they must do extended jams, I'd always rather they go somewhere, so yeah, I'd take the 2006 one of the two. But truth be told, I don't think any of the songs they stretch out into jams benefit from it. I think they all sound better the more focussed they are. Even though I love so many of McCready's recorded contributions as much as I do, I don't think he's technical enough to consistently pull off live improvs - like, he's not a virtuoso - he's not Paul Gilbert, or even Nuno Bettencourt.
I get that people love it when he goes off on one for five minutes, but I'd rather they squeeze another song into the set list instead.
Can't have it all though, eh. I'll still be fanboying like lunatic when the Hyde Park gig finally happens.
I do agree with you that he isn't technical enough to pull off improvs. Would I be correct in saying that most of his solos are in the "blues box"?
I'm the only one who thinks that kalimba completely ruins it, then?
Aw c'mon.
I'm a troll? I've been pretty balanced.
WhAt is your top three on this album? Today i m going: comes then goes (fun to play on guitar), never destination (got that black, red, yellow vibe) and quick escape. I cant believe how well I have connected to this album already.
Think Dance of the Clairvoyants is really great start to finish, so that's taking my number one spot at the mo. Quick Escape is, up to the last minute, a really cool jam, so that's my number two And at three, Retrograde is really quite pretty, but I'm not sold on all the ambient noise at the climax - reckon this might sound better live where they can't necessarily replicate that kind of stuff.
That's cool that it resonates with you.
Dance has really really grown on me. I hated it when it first came out but now I am really enjoying it. Retrograde is awesome, I think mike is playing a 12 string on that one (?). I could see that one jamming out for awhile live.
Dance is great - a properly successful experiment. I love how much of a departure from the norm it is. I love that they must still get enthused about being playful with new sounds to produce something like that. Curious to see whether they keep all the electronic elements live.
Generally prefer they stick tighter to structure over extended jams, but yeah, Retrograde is a very pretty guitar part and melody. Looking forward to it live.
I've played guitar for 24 years (yikes) but by no means can I play a lick of lead lol. So my question to you is, take porch for instance. Do you like how mike plays the solo/jam part now (to me it seems like he is just trying to hit as many notes as possible in a short amount of time) or like in 2006 when the jam kind of went somewhere. examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQe65JLjNMY east rutherford, 2006 night 2. Could be my favorite jam ever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZVrPGPe5Tg krakow, 2018
Look forward to your thoughts. Mike
Yo - If they must do extended jams, I'd always rather they go somewhere, so yeah, I'd take the 2006 one of the two. But truth be told, I don't think any of the songs they stretch out into jams benefit from it. I think they all sound better the more focussed they are. Even though I love so many of McCready's recorded contributions as much as I do, I don't think he's technical enough to consistently pull off live improvs - like, he's not a virtuoso - he's not Paul Gilbert, or even Nuno Bettencourt.
I get that people love it when he goes off on one for five minutes, but I'd rather they squeeze another song into the set list instead.
Can't have it all though, eh. I'll still be fanboying like lunatic when the Hyde Park gig finally happens.
I do agree with you that he isn't technical enough to pull off improvs. Would I be correct in saying that most of his solos are in the "blues box"?
Yeah, I think that's fair. Seems to be where he's more comfortable. That said, gotta give him his dues - he's pulling out some new techniques I don't think he's ever done on record before on this one - the solo in SBWM is pretty tight. And some of the ballad solos he's done, right up to Sirens are gorgeous.
I'm the only one who thinks that kalimba completely ruins it, then?
Aw c'mon.
I'm a troll? I've been pretty balanced.
WhAt is your top three on this album? Today i m going: comes then goes (fun to play on guitar), never destination (got that black, red, yellow vibe) and quick escape. I cant believe how well I have connected to this album already.
Think Dance of the Clairvoyants is really great start to finish, so that's taking my number one spot at the mo. Quick Escape is, up to the last minute, a really cool jam, so that's my number two And at three, Retrograde is really quite pretty, but I'm not sold on all the ambient noise at the climax - reckon this might sound better live where they can't necessarily replicate that kind of stuff.
That's cool that it resonates with you.
Dance has really really grown on me. I hated it when it first came out but now I am really enjoying it. Retrograde is awesome, I think mike is playing a 12 string on that one (?). I could see that one jamming out for awhile live.
Dance is great - a properly successful experiment. I love how much of a departure from the norm it is. I love that they must still get enthused about being playful with new sounds to produce something like that. Curious to see whether they keep all the electronic elements live.
Generally prefer they stick tighter to structure over extended jams, but yeah, Retrograde is a very pretty guitar part and melody. Looking forward to it live.
I've played guitar for 24 years (yikes) but by no means can I play a lick of lead lol. So my question to you is, take porch for instance. Do you like how mike plays the solo/jam part now (to me it seems like he is just trying to hit as many notes as possible in a short amount of time) or like in 2006 when the jam kind of went somewhere. examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQe65JLjNMY east rutherford, 2006 night 2. Could be my favorite jam ever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZVrPGPe5Tg krakow, 2018
Look forward to your thoughts. Mike
Yo - If they must do extended jams, I'd always rather they go somewhere, so yeah, I'd take the 2006 one of the two. But truth be told, I don't think any of the songs they stretch out into jams benefit from it. I think they all sound better the more focussed they are. Even though I love so many of McCready's recorded contributions as much as I do, I don't think he's technical enough to consistently pull off live improvs - like, he's not a virtuoso - he's not Paul Gilbert, or even Nuno Bettencourt.
I get that people love it when he goes off on one for five minutes, but I'd rather they squeeze another song into the set list instead.
Can't have it all though, eh. I'll still be fanboying like lunatic when the Hyde Park gig finally happens.
I do agree with you that he isn't technical enough to pull off improvs. Would I be correct in saying that most of his solos are in the "blues box"?
Yeah, I think that's fair. Seems to be where he's more comfortable. That said, gotta give him his dues - he's pulling out some new techniques I don't think he's ever done on record before on this one - the solo in SBWM is pretty tight. And some of the ballad solos he's done, right up to Sirens are gorgeous.
Love the solo in sbwm!!!! I don't enjoy the song but his solos in nais are quite impressive.
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Just talk to me directly, dude. I'll happily tell you what I think.
Over and over and over again.
It's a discussion board, and I've been responding to people who have engaged with me, even insulted me.
The sorts of people you were perhaps looking to send my way when you rifled through my post history and "othered" me with your, "He is not..." move.
It's odd that you would not have clued in to the fact that me posting that shows you have a history of not liking the style of guitar playing at the end of Who Ever Said. That actually supports your claim you are not a troll and just are not a fan. Instead you took the paranoid route that I did it to send people after you. You are entitled to your opinion it is just the delivery that needs some work in my opinion.
And I have no idea how my delivery, given how balanced I've been, could be modified to satisfy you.
Whether you intended to rally support against me or not, that's precisely the effect it had - the very next post was from someone else who'd gone rifling through my history to call me a troll.
Uh... your pompous and condescending comments about Mike “noodling” and being “lazy” moved people to respond.
Nothing pompous or condescending about my using either of those words in the context of my comments. He's capable of more thoughtful, smarter playing. I'm beginning to think that you're actually trying to troll me now.
I’m the guy who said I liked your music. Definitely not trolling you.
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I'm the only one who thinks that kalimba completely ruins it, then?
Aw c'mon.
I'm a troll? I've been pretty balanced.
WhAt is your top three on this album? Today i m going: comes then goes (fun to play on guitar), never destination (got that black, red, yellow vibe) and quick escape. I cant believe how well I have connected to this album already.
Think Dance of the Clairvoyants is really great start to finish, so that's taking my number one spot at the mo. Quick Escape is, up to the last minute, a really cool jam, so that's my number two And at three, Retrograde is really quite pretty, but I'm not sold on all the ambient noise at the climax - reckon this might sound better live where they can't necessarily replicate that kind of stuff.
That's cool that it resonates with you.
Dance has really really grown on me. I hated it when it first came out but now I am really enjoying it. Retrograde is awesome, I think mike is playing a 12 string on that one (?). I could see that one jamming out for awhile live.
Dance is great - a properly successful experiment. I love how much of a departure from the norm it is. I love that they must still get enthused about being playful with new sounds to produce something like that. Curious to see whether they keep all the electronic elements live.
Generally prefer they stick tighter to structure over extended jams, but yeah, Retrograde is a very pretty guitar part and melody. Looking forward to it live.
I've played guitar for 24 years (yikes) but by no means can I play a lick of lead lol. So my question to you is, take porch for instance. Do you like how mike plays the solo/jam part now (to me it seems like he is just trying to hit as many notes as possible in a short amount of time) or like in 2006 when the jam kind of went somewhere. examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQe65JLjNMY east rutherford, 2006 night 2. Could be my favorite jam ever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZVrPGPe5Tg krakow, 2018
Look forward to your thoughts. Mike
Yo - If they must do extended jams, I'd always rather they go somewhere, so yeah, I'd take the 2006 one of the two. But truth be told, I don't think any of the songs they stretch out into jams benefit from it. I think they all sound better the more focussed they are. Even though I love so many of McCready's recorded contributions as much as I do, I don't think he's technical enough to consistently pull off live improvs - like, he's not a virtuoso - he's not Paul Gilbert, or even Nuno Bettencourt.
I get that people love it when he goes off on one for five minutes, but I'd rather they squeeze another song into the set list instead.
Can't have it all though, eh. I'll still be fanboying like lunatic when the Hyde Park gig finally happens.
I do agree with you that he isn't technical enough to pull off improvs. Would I be correct in saying that most of his solos are in the "blues box"?
Yeah, I think that's fair. Seems to be where he's more comfortable. That said, gotta give him his dues - he's pulling out some new techniques I don't think he's ever done on record before on this one - the solo in SBWM is pretty tight. And some of the ballad solos he's done, right up to Sirens are gorgeous.
Love the solo in sbwm!!!! I don't enjoy the song but his solos in nais are quite impressive.
For sure. They serve the song perfectly. He doesn't really stray on that one live too much either. Seen it live a few times and it's always been great.
I'm the only one who thinks that kalimba completely ruins it, then?
Aw c'mon.
I'm a troll? I've been pretty balanced.
I agree with you on the kalimba, I think it’s distracting from the beautiful organ and Ed’s voice.
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I'm the only one who thinks that kalimba completely ruins it, then?
Aw c'mon.
I'm a troll? I've been pretty balanced.
WhAt is your top three on this album? Today i m going: comes then goes (fun to play on guitar), never destination (got that black, red, yellow vibe) and quick escape. I cant believe how well I have connected to this album already.
Think Dance of the Clairvoyants is really great start to finish, so that's taking my number one spot at the mo. Quick Escape is, up to the last minute, a really cool jam, so that's my number two And at three, Retrograde is really quite pretty, but I'm not sold on all the ambient noise at the climax - reckon this might sound better live where they can't necessarily replicate that kind of stuff.
That's cool that it resonates with you.
Dance has really really grown on me. I hated it when it first came out but now I am really enjoying it. Retrograde is awesome, I think mike is playing a 12 string on that one (?). I could see that one jamming out for awhile live.
Dance is great - a properly successful experiment. I love how much of a departure from the norm it is. I love that they must still get enthused about being playful with new sounds to produce something like that. Curious to see whether they keep all the electronic elements live.
Generally prefer they stick tighter to structure over extended jams, but yeah, Retrograde is a very pretty guitar part and melody. Looking forward to it live.
I've played guitar for 24 years (yikes) but by no means can I play a lick of lead lol. So my question to you is, take porch for instance. Do you like how mike plays the solo/jam part now (to me it seems like he is just trying to hit as many notes as possible in a short amount of time) or like in 2006 when the jam kind of went somewhere. examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQe65JLjNMY east rutherford, 2006 night 2. Could be my favorite jam ever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZVrPGPe5Tg krakow, 2018
Look forward to your thoughts. Mike
Yo - If they must do extended jams, I'd always rather they go somewhere, so yeah, I'd take the 2006 one of the two. But truth be told, I don't think any of the songs they stretch out into jams benefit from it. I think they all sound better the more focussed they are. Even though I love so many of McCready's recorded contributions as much as I do, I don't think he's technical enough to consistently pull off live improvs - like, he's not a virtuoso - he's not Paul Gilbert, or even Nuno Bettencourt.
I get that people love it when he goes off on one for five minutes, but I'd rather they squeeze another song into the set list instead.
Can't have it all though, eh. I'll still be fanboying like lunatic when the Hyde Park gig finally happens.
I do agree with you that he isn't technical enough to pull off improvs. Would I be correct in saying that most of his solos are in the "blues box"?
Yeah, I think that's fair. Seems to be where he's more comfortable. That said, gotta give him his dues - he's pulling out some new techniques I don't think he's ever done on record before on this one - the solo in SBWM is pretty tight. And some of the ballad solos he's done, right up to Sirens are gorgeous.
Love the solo in sbwm!!!! I don't enjoy the song but his solos in nais are quite impressive.
For sure. They serve the song perfectly. He doesn't really stray on that one live too much either. Seen it live a few times and it's always been great.
When did you see SBWM live? LOL
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I'm the only one who thinks that kalimba completely ruins it, then?
Aw c'mon.
I'm a troll? I've been pretty balanced.
WhAt is your top three on this album? Today i m going: comes then goes (fun to play on guitar), never destination (got that black, red, yellow vibe) and quick escape. I cant believe how well I have connected to this album already.
Think Dance of the Clairvoyants is really great start to finish, so that's taking my number one spot at the mo. Quick Escape is, up to the last minute, a really cool jam, so that's my number two And at three, Retrograde is really quite pretty, but I'm not sold on all the ambient noise at the climax - reckon this might sound better live where they can't necessarily replicate that kind of stuff.
That's cool that it resonates with you.
Dance has really really grown on me. I hated it when it first came out but now I am really enjoying it. Retrograde is awesome, I think mike is playing a 12 string on that one (?). I could see that one jamming out for awhile live.
Dance is great - a properly successful experiment. I love how much of a departure from the norm it is. I love that they must still get enthused about being playful with new sounds to produce something like that. Curious to see whether they keep all the electronic elements live.
Generally prefer they stick tighter to structure over extended jams, but yeah, Retrograde is a very pretty guitar part and melody. Looking forward to it live.
I've played guitar for 24 years (yikes) but by no means can I play a lick of lead lol. So my question to you is, take porch for instance. Do you like how mike plays the solo/jam part now (to me it seems like he is just trying to hit as many notes as possible in a short amount of time) or like in 2006 when the jam kind of went somewhere. examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQe65JLjNMY east rutherford, 2006 night 2. Could be my favorite jam ever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZVrPGPe5Tg krakow, 2018
Look forward to your thoughts. Mike
Yo - If they must do extended jams, I'd always rather they go somewhere, so yeah, I'd take the 2006 one of the two. But truth be told, I don't think any of the songs they stretch out into jams benefit from it. I think they all sound better the more focussed they are. Even though I love so many of McCready's recorded contributions as much as I do, I don't think he's technical enough to consistently pull off live improvs - like, he's not a virtuoso - he's not Paul Gilbert, or even Nuno Bettencourt.
I get that people love it when he goes off on one for five minutes, but I'd rather they squeeze another song into the set list instead.
Can't have it all though, eh. I'll still be fanboying like lunatic when the Hyde Park gig finally happens.
I do agree with you that he isn't technical enough to pull off improvs. Would I be correct in saying that most of his solos are in the "blues box"?
Yeah, I think that's fair. Seems to be where he's more comfortable. That said, gotta give him his dues - he's pulling out some new techniques I don't think he's ever done on record before on this one - the solo in SBWM is pretty tight. And some of the ballad solos he's done, right up to Sirens are gorgeous.
Love the solo in sbwm!!!! I don't enjoy the song but his solos in nais are quite impressive.
For sure. They serve the song perfectly. He doesn't really stray on that one live too much either. Seen it live a few times and it's always been great.
When did you see SBWM live? LOL
I haven't. I was responding to, "his solos in nais are quite impressive."
If you are intent on burning so much fuel being a dick, at least be accurate.
I'm the only one who thinks that kalimba completely ruins it, then?
Aw c'mon.
I'm a troll? I've been pretty balanced.
WhAt is your top three on this album? Today i m going: comes then goes (fun to play on guitar), never destination (got that black, red, yellow vibe) and quick escape. I cant believe how well I have connected to this album already.
Think Dance of the Clairvoyants is really great start to finish, so that's taking my number one spot at the mo. Quick Escape is, up to the last minute, a really cool jam, so that's my number two And at three, Retrograde is really quite pretty, but I'm not sold on all the ambient noise at the climax - reckon this might sound better live where they can't necessarily replicate that kind of stuff.
That's cool that it resonates with you.
Dance has really really grown on me. I hated it when it first came out but now I am really enjoying it. Retrograde is awesome, I think mike is playing a 12 string on that one (?). I could see that one jamming out for awhile live.
Dance is great - a properly successful experiment. I love how much of a departure from the norm it is. I love that they must still get enthused about being playful with new sounds to produce something like that. Curious to see whether they keep all the electronic elements live.
Generally prefer they stick tighter to structure over extended jams, but yeah, Retrograde is a very pretty guitar part and melody. Looking forward to it live.
I've played guitar for 24 years (yikes) but by no means can I play a lick of lead lol. So my question to you is, take porch for instance. Do you like how mike plays the solo/jam part now (to me it seems like he is just trying to hit as many notes as possible in a short amount of time) or like in 2006 when the jam kind of went somewhere. examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQe65JLjNMY east rutherford, 2006 night 2. Could be my favorite jam ever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZVrPGPe5Tg krakow, 2018
Look forward to your thoughts. Mike
Yo - If they must do extended jams, I'd always rather they go somewhere, so yeah, I'd take the 2006 one of the two. But truth be told, I don't think any of the songs they stretch out into jams benefit from it. I think they all sound better the more focussed they are. Even though I love so many of McCready's recorded contributions as much as I do, I don't think he's technical enough to consistently pull off live improvs - like, he's not a virtuoso - he's not Paul Gilbert, or even Nuno Bettencourt.
I get that people love it when he goes off on one for five minutes, but I'd rather they squeeze another song into the set list instead.
Can't have it all though, eh. I'll still be fanboying like lunatic when the Hyde Park gig finally happens.
I do agree with you that he isn't technical enough to pull off improvs. Would I be correct in saying that most of his solos are in the "blues box"?
Yeah, I think that's fair. Seems to be where he's more comfortable. That said, gotta give him his dues - he's pulling out some new techniques I don't think he's ever done on record before on this one - the solo in SBWM is pretty tight. And some of the ballad solos he's done, right up to Sirens are gorgeous.
Love the solo in sbwm!!!! I don't enjoy the song but his solos in nais are quite impressive.
For sure. They serve the song perfectly. He doesn't really stray on that one live too much either. Seen it live a few times and it's always been great.
When did you see SBWM live? LOL
I haven't. I was responding to, "his solos in nais are quite impressive."
If you are intent on burning so much fuel being a dick, at least be accurate.
Sorry Eilean
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Loving this song, how it keeps shifting and diverging but then comes back to the chorus and of course the final 2 minutes which lift it even higher. Can anyone else hear a buried vocal at the 0:24 mark?
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@Eilian just listened to this song again and I finally understand what you are talking about with mike s solo. I actually agree with you. Mike definitely could have elevated this solo. (Maybe he will live)
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The sorts of people you were perhaps looking to send my way when you rifled through my post history and "othered" me with your, "He is not..." move.
I'm a troll? I've been pretty balanced.
Overall, this is the most positive reviews I've seen of a new PJ album since I've been on these boards and so far no one has called it crap or dad rock. Of course it's not Ten or Vs., but that doesn't mean it isn't a good album.
Today i m going: comes then goes (fun to play on guitar), never destination (got that black, red, yellow vibe) and quick escape.
I cant believe how well I have connected to this album already.
Quick Escape is, up to the last minute, a really cool jam, so that's my number two
And at three, Retrograde is really quite pretty, but I'm not sold on all the ambient noise at the climax - reckon this might sound better live where they can't necessarily replicate that kind of stuff.
That's cool that it resonates with you.
Whether you intended to rally support against me or not, that's precisely the effect it had - the very next post was from someone else who'd gone rifling through my history to call me a troll.
Yeah. Sounds reasonable.
With regards to Who Ever Said it has really jumped up spots for me on this album. Really loving it as an opener and look forward to seeing what they do with it live.
Generally prefer they stick tighter to structure over extended jams, but yeah, Retrograde is a very pretty guitar part and melody. Looking forward to it live.
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Look forward to your thoughts.
Mike
I get that people love it when he goes off on one for five minutes, but I'd rather they squeeze another song into the set list instead.
Can't have it all though, eh. I'll still be fanboying like lunatic when the Hyde Park gig finally happens.
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If you are intent on burning so much fuel being a dick, at least be accurate.
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2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
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2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
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2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
Can anyone else hear a buried vocal at the 0:24 mark?
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