Who Ever Said
Comments
-
Eek - can't see the live version being more thought out, but all digits crossed. It's still got a cool swagger overall.mcgruff10 said:@Eilian just listened to this song again and I finally understand what you are talking about with mike s solo. I actually agree with you. Mike definitely could have elevated this solo. (Maybe he will live)0 -
My absolute favorite all time guitar solo occurs in Flowers of Guatemala by REM/Peter Buck.Eilian said:
Commenting negatively, you mean?Gern Blansten said:A non-guitarist commenting on a solo is hilarious...
If I had said it was the best solo I'd ever heard, my not being a lead guitarist wouldn't have devalued my opinion at all, would it?
It's simple but just drips emotion.
Not sure how that relates here though, lol. Carry on.0 -
The solo in that song is exactly what it needs. Simple, but melodic.Whywhyzed said:
My absolute favorite all time guitar solo occurs in Flowers of Guatemala by REM/Peter Buck.Eilian said:
Commenting negatively, you mean?Gern Blansten said:A non-guitarist commenting on a solo is hilarious...
If I had said it was the best solo I'd ever heard, my not being a lead guitarist wouldn't have devalued my opinion at all, would it?
It's simple but just drips emotion.
Not sure how that relates here though, lol. Carry on.
My favourite solo of all time is My Sharona by The Knack - it's a complete song within a song. Proper technical in parts but always tasteful, never gratuitous... Painstakingly thought out. It's extraordinary.0 -
SBWM solo doesn’t serve the song that well, feels like it’s from a completely different song and has wrong vibe. QE solo is much better, not close.Eilian said:
Are you being serious?
Then how do you make generalizations about it if you have no idea the degree of difficulty it took?Eilian said:
Could you play it on the guitar?Eilian said:
It does it's best to ruin Quick Escape.
You really think lazy noodling would be put in this record?Eilian said:
Of some description, yeah.
I don’t mean to get all inside baseball, but are you a musician? I ask because of your “lazy noodling” comment.
That end solo sounds like a one-take improv. It's horrible.
What are you, 12?
I'm not a lead guitarist.
I'm acutely aware of my limitations as a guitarist. And am equally aware of how difficult technical shredding is. I also understand melody, and McCready's improvs are all too often devoid of it. Solos shouldn't be just noodley fret-wanking that goes nowhere, they should elevate the song with a melody of their own.
Forget me, MCCREADY is capable of serving that song better (His solo in SBWM is both technical and serves the section it's played over perfectly) - perhaps he just needs to be reined in more consistently by a producer.0 -
Fair enough - but QE sounds, as I say, like a one-take improv, whereas - to my ear at least - SBWM sounds like he planned it out.Tremorman said:
SBWM solo doesn’t serve the song that well, feels like it’s from a completely different song and has wrong vibe. QE solo is much better, not close.Eilian said:
Are you being serious?
Then how do you make generalizations about it if you have no idea the degree of difficulty it took?Eilian said:
Could you play it on the guitar?Eilian said:
It does it's best to ruin Quick Escape.
You really think lazy noodling would be put in this record?Eilian said:
Of some description, yeah.
I don’t mean to get all inside baseball, but are you a musician? I ask because of your “lazy noodling” comment.
That end solo sounds like a one-take improv. It's horrible.
What are you, 12?
I'm not a lead guitarist.
I'm acutely aware of my limitations as a guitarist. And am equally aware of how difficult technical shredding is. I also understand melody, and McCready's improvs are all too often devoid of it. Solos shouldn't be just noodley fret-wanking that goes nowhere, they should elevate the song with a melody of their own.
Forget me, MCCREADY is capable of serving that song better (His solo in SBWM is both technical and serves the section it's played over perfectly) - perhaps he just needs to be reined in more consistently by a producer.
PS - Didn't feel that way on first listen.Post edited by Eilian on0 -
It really sounds like you’re upset with Mike about this solo. I’m sure with counseling you’ll come to forgive him.Eilian said:
Fair enough - but QE sounds, as I say, like a one-take improv, whereas - to my ear at least - SBWM sounds like he planned it out.Tremorman said:
SBWM solo doesn’t serve the song that well, feels like it’s from a completely different song and has wrong vibe. QE solo is much better, not close.Eilian said:
Are you being serious?
Then how do you make generalizations about it if you have no idea the degree of difficulty it took?Eilian said:
Could you play it on the guitar?Eilian said:
It does it's best to ruin Quick Escape.
You really think lazy noodling would be put in this record?Eilian said:
Of some description, yeah.
I don’t mean to get all inside baseball, but are you a musician? I ask because of your “lazy noodling” comment.
That end solo sounds like a one-take improv. It's horrible.
What are you, 12?
I'm not a lead guitarist.
I'm acutely aware of my limitations as a guitarist. And am equally aware of how difficult technical shredding is. I also understand melody, and McCready's improvs are all too often devoid of it. Solos shouldn't be just noodley fret-wanking that goes nowhere, they should elevate the song with a melody of their own.
Forget me, MCCREADY is capable of serving that song better (His solo in SBWM is both technical and serves the section it's played over perfectly) - perhaps he just needs to be reined in more consistently by a producer.
PS - Didn't feel that way on first listen.1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 (#25) | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park 2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2025: Raleigh0 -
Who taps their foot in the intro to Who Ever Said!? Such a rocking beginning!Melbourne #1 '98
Melbourne #2 '03
Melbourne #3 '03
Melbourne #1 '06
Melbourne #3 '06
Melbourne '09
Melbourne '140 -
It's not just this solo. It's almost every live improv of the last 20 years.on2legs said:
It really sounds like you’re upset with Mike about this solo. I’m sure with counseling you’ll come to forgive him.Eilian said:
Fair enough - but QE sounds, as I say, like a one-take improv, whereas - to my ear at least - SBWM sounds like he planned it out.Tremorman said:
SBWM solo doesn’t serve the song that well, feels like it’s from a completely different song and has wrong vibe. QE solo is much better, not close.Eilian said:
Are you being serious?
Then how do you make generalizations about it if you have no idea the degree of difficulty it took?Eilian said:
Could you play it on the guitar?Eilian said:
It does it's best to ruin Quick Escape.
You really think lazy noodling would be put in this record?Eilian said:
Of some description, yeah.
I don’t mean to get all inside baseball, but are you a musician? I ask because of your “lazy noodling” comment.
That end solo sounds like a one-take improv. It's horrible.
What are you, 12?
I'm not a lead guitarist.
I'm acutely aware of my limitations as a guitarist. And am equally aware of how difficult technical shredding is. I also understand melody, and McCready's improvs are all too often devoid of it. Solos shouldn't be just noodley fret-wanking that goes nowhere, they should elevate the song with a melody of their own.
Forget me, MCCREADY is capable of serving that song better (His solo in SBWM is both technical and serves the section it's played over perfectly) - perhaps he just needs to be reined in more consistently by a producer.
PS - Didn't feel that way on first listen.
To be fair to him, more often that not, the recorded versions work well.0 -
Just know that we’re here for you. Things will get better and you will be able to move past this.Eilian said:
It's not just this solo. It's almost every live improv of the last 20 years.on2legs said:
It really sounds like you’re upset with Mike about this solo. I’m sure with counseling you’ll come to forgive him.Eilian said:
Fair enough - but QE sounds, as I say, like a one-take improv, whereas - to my ear at least - SBWM sounds like he planned it out.Tremorman said:
SBWM solo doesn’t serve the song that well, feels like it’s from a completely different song and has wrong vibe. QE solo is much better, not close.Eilian said:
Are you being serious?
Then how do you make generalizations about it if you have no idea the degree of difficulty it took?Eilian said:
Could you play it on the guitar?Eilian said:
It does it's best to ruin Quick Escape.
You really think lazy noodling would be put in this record?Eilian said:
Of some description, yeah.
I don’t mean to get all inside baseball, but are you a musician? I ask because of your “lazy noodling” comment.
That end solo sounds like a one-take improv. It's horrible.
What are you, 12?
I'm not a lead guitarist.
I'm acutely aware of my limitations as a guitarist. And am equally aware of how difficult technical shredding is. I also understand melody, and McCready's improvs are all too often devoid of it. Solos shouldn't be just noodley fret-wanking that goes nowhere, they should elevate the song with a melody of their own.
Forget me, MCCREADY is capable of serving that song better (His solo in SBWM is both technical and serves the section it's played over perfectly) - perhaps he just needs to be reined in more consistently by a producer.
PS - Didn't feel that way on first listen.
To be fair to him, more often that not, the recorded versions work well.1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 (#25) | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park 2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2025: Raleigh0 -
Thanks butt.on2legs said:
Just know that we’re here for you. Things will get better and you will be able to move past this.Eilian said:
It's not just this solo. It's almost every live improv of the last 20 years.on2legs said:
It really sounds like you’re upset with Mike about this solo. I’m sure with counseling you’ll come to forgive him.Eilian said:
Fair enough - but QE sounds, as I say, like a one-take improv, whereas - to my ear at least - SBWM sounds like he planned it out.Tremorman said:
SBWM solo doesn’t serve the song that well, feels like it’s from a completely different song and has wrong vibe. QE solo is much better, not close.Eilian said:
Are you being serious?
Then how do you make generalizations about it if you have no idea the degree of difficulty it took?Eilian said:
Could you play it on the guitar?Eilian said:
It does it's best to ruin Quick Escape.
You really think lazy noodling would be put in this record?Eilian said:
Of some description, yeah.
I don’t mean to get all inside baseball, but are you a musician? I ask because of your “lazy noodling” comment.
That end solo sounds like a one-take improv. It's horrible.
What are you, 12?
I'm not a lead guitarist.
I'm acutely aware of my limitations as a guitarist. And am equally aware of how difficult technical shredding is. I also understand melody, and McCready's improvs are all too often devoid of it. Solos shouldn't be just noodley fret-wanking that goes nowhere, they should elevate the song with a melody of their own.
Forget me, MCCREADY is capable of serving that song better (His solo in SBWM is both technical and serves the section it's played over perfectly) - perhaps he just needs to be reined in more consistently by a producer.
PS - Didn't feel that way on first listen.
To be fair to him, more often that not, the recorded versions work well.0 -
Denial and anger are all part of the process. I think if Mike we’re here in person he would tell you that he hasn’t been purposely playing his solos for the last 20 years to upset you.Eilian said:
Thanks butt.on2legs said:
Just know that we’re here for you. Things will get better and you will be able to move past this.Eilian said:
It's not just this solo. It's almost every live improv of the last 20 years.on2legs said:
It really sounds like you’re upset with Mike about this solo. I’m sure with counseling you’ll come to forgive him.Eilian said:
Fair enough - but QE sounds, as I say, like a one-take improv, whereas - to my ear at least - SBWM sounds like he planned it out.Tremorman said:
SBWM solo doesn’t serve the song that well, feels like it’s from a completely different song and has wrong vibe. QE solo is much better, not close.Eilian said:
Are you being serious?
Then how do you make generalizations about it if you have no idea the degree of difficulty it took?Eilian said:
Could you play it on the guitar?Eilian said:
It does it's best to ruin Quick Escape.
You really think lazy noodling would be put in this record?Eilian said:
Of some description, yeah.
I don’t mean to get all inside baseball, but are you a musician? I ask because of your “lazy noodling” comment.
That end solo sounds like a one-take improv. It's horrible.
What are you, 12?
I'm not a lead guitarist.
I'm acutely aware of my limitations as a guitarist. And am equally aware of how difficult technical shredding is. I also understand melody, and McCready's improvs are all too often devoid of it. Solos shouldn't be just noodley fret-wanking that goes nowhere, they should elevate the song with a melody of their own.
Forget me, MCCREADY is capable of serving that song better (His solo in SBWM is both technical and serves the section it's played over perfectly) - perhaps he just needs to be reined in more consistently by a producer.
PS - Didn't feel that way on first listen.
To be fair to him, more often that not, the recorded versions work well.1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 (#25) | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park 2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2025: Raleigh0 -
I'm Welsh - "butt" is a term of endearment. Dim (no) anger here.on2legs said:
Denial and anger are all part of the process. I think if Mike we’re here in person he would tell you that he hasn’t been purposely playing his solos for the last 20 years to upset you.Eilian said:
Thanks butt.on2legs said:
Just know that we’re here for you. Things will get better and you will be able to move past this.Eilian said:
It's not just this solo. It's almost every live improv of the last 20 years.on2legs said:
It really sounds like you’re upset with Mike about this solo. I’m sure with counseling you’ll come to forgive him.Eilian said:
Fair enough - but QE sounds, as I say, like a one-take improv, whereas - to my ear at least - SBWM sounds like he planned it out.Tremorman said:
SBWM solo doesn’t serve the song that well, feels like it’s from a completely different song and has wrong vibe. QE solo is much better, not close.Eilian said:
Are you being serious?
Then how do you make generalizations about it if you have no idea the degree of difficulty it took?Eilian said:
Could you play it on the guitar?Eilian said:
It does it's best to ruin Quick Escape.
You really think lazy noodling would be put in this record?Eilian said:
Of some description, yeah.
I don’t mean to get all inside baseball, but are you a musician? I ask because of your “lazy noodling” comment.
That end solo sounds like a one-take improv. It's horrible.
What are you, 12?
I'm not a lead guitarist.
I'm acutely aware of my limitations as a guitarist. And am equally aware of how difficult technical shredding is. I also understand melody, and McCready's improvs are all too often devoid of it. Solos shouldn't be just noodley fret-wanking that goes nowhere, they should elevate the song with a melody of their own.
Forget me, MCCREADY is capable of serving that song better (His solo in SBWM is both technical and serves the section it's played over perfectly) - perhaps he just needs to be reined in more consistently by a producer.
PS - Didn't feel that way on first listen.
To be fair to him, more often that not, the recorded versions work well.
But, he has been - purposely - playing them other than how he recorded them, and I think they sound worse for it.0 -
Hmmm... if you’re not a fan of Mike’s live style you might want to consider that Pearl Jam might not be the band for you.Eilian said:
I'm Welsh - "butt" is a term of endearment. Dim (no) anger here.on2legs said:
Denial and anger are all part of the process. I think if Mike we’re here in person he would tell you that he hasn’t been purposely playing his solos for the last 20 years to upset you.Eilian said:
Thanks butt.on2legs said:
Just know that we’re here for you. Things will get better and you will be able to move past this.Eilian said:
It's not just this solo. It's almost every live improv of the last 20 years.on2legs said:
It really sounds like you’re upset with Mike about this solo. I’m sure with counseling you’ll come to forgive him.Eilian said:
Fair enough - but QE sounds, as I say, like a one-take improv, whereas - to my ear at least - SBWM sounds like he planned it out.Tremorman said:
SBWM solo doesn’t serve the song that well, feels like it’s from a completely different song and has wrong vibe. QE solo is much better, not close.Eilian said:
Are you being serious?
Then how do you make generalizations about it if you have no idea the degree of difficulty it took?Eilian said:
Could you play it on the guitar?Eilian said:
It does it's best to ruin Quick Escape.
You really think lazy noodling would be put in this record?Eilian said:
Of some description, yeah.
I don’t mean to get all inside baseball, but are you a musician? I ask because of your “lazy noodling” comment.
That end solo sounds like a one-take improv. It's horrible.
What are you, 12?
I'm not a lead guitarist.
I'm acutely aware of my limitations as a guitarist. And am equally aware of how difficult technical shredding is. I also understand melody, and McCready's improvs are all too often devoid of it. Solos shouldn't be just noodley fret-wanking that goes nowhere, they should elevate the song with a melody of their own.
Forget me, MCCREADY is capable of serving that song better (His solo in SBWM is both technical and serves the section it's played over perfectly) - perhaps he just needs to be reined in more consistently by a producer.
PS - Didn't feel that way on first listen.
To be fair to him, more often that not, the recorded versions work well.
But, he has been - purposely - playing them other than how he recorded them, and I think they sound worse for it.1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 (#25) | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park 2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2025: Raleigh0 -
"If the bathwater gets murky, you should probably throw the baby out with it."on2legs said:
Hmmm... if you’re not a fan of Mike’s live style you might want to consider that Pearl Jam might not be the band for you.Eilian said:
I'm Welsh - "butt" is a term of endearment. Dim (no) anger here.on2legs said:
Denial and anger are all part of the process. I think if Mike we’re here in person he would tell you that he hasn’t been purposely playing his solos for the last 20 years to upset you.Eilian said:
Thanks butt.on2legs said:
Just know that we’re here for you. Things will get better and you will be able to move past this.Eilian said:
It's not just this solo. It's almost every live improv of the last 20 years.on2legs said:
It really sounds like you’re upset with Mike about this solo. I’m sure with counseling you’ll come to forgive him.Eilian said:
Fair enough - but QE sounds, as I say, like a one-take improv, whereas - to my ear at least - SBWM sounds like he planned it out.Tremorman said:
SBWM solo doesn’t serve the song that well, feels like it’s from a completely different song and has wrong vibe. QE solo is much better, not close.Eilian said:
Are you being serious?
Then how do you make generalizations about it if you have no idea the degree of difficulty it took?Eilian said:
Could you play it on the guitar?Eilian said:
It does it's best to ruin Quick Escape.
You really think lazy noodling would be put in this record?Eilian said:
Of some description, yeah.
I don’t mean to get all inside baseball, but are you a musician? I ask because of your “lazy noodling” comment.
That end solo sounds like a one-take improv. It's horrible.
What are you, 12?
I'm not a lead guitarist.
I'm acutely aware of my limitations as a guitarist. And am equally aware of how difficult technical shredding is. I also understand melody, and McCready's improvs are all too often devoid of it. Solos shouldn't be just noodley fret-wanking that goes nowhere, they should elevate the song with a melody of their own.
Forget me, MCCREADY is capable of serving that song better (His solo in SBWM is both technical and serves the section it's played over perfectly) - perhaps he just needs to be reined in more consistently by a producer.
PS - Didn't feel that way on first listen.
To be fair to him, more often that not, the recorded versions work well.
But, he has been - purposely - playing them other than how he recorded them, and I think they sound worse for it.0 -
It sounds like the bathwater is really upsetting to you. Maybe just try to enjoy the record for what it is and not worry about what it isn't.Eilian said:
"If the bathwater gets murky, you should probably throw the baby out with it."on2legs said:
Hmmm... if you’re not a fan of Mike’s live style you might want to consider that Pearl Jam might not be the band for you.Eilian said:
I'm Welsh - "butt" is a term of endearment. Dim (no) anger here.on2legs said:
Denial and anger are all part of the process. I think if Mike we’re here in person he would tell you that he hasn’t been purposely playing his solos for the last 20 years to upset you.Eilian said:
Thanks butt.on2legs said:
Just know that we’re here for you. Things will get better and you will be able to move past this.Eilian said:
It's not just this solo. It's almost every live improv of the last 20 years.on2legs said:
It really sounds like you’re upset with Mike about this solo. I’m sure with counseling you’ll come to forgive him.Eilian said:
Fair enough - but QE sounds, as I say, like a one-take improv, whereas - to my ear at least - SBWM sounds like he planned it out.Tremorman said:
SBWM solo doesn’t serve the song that well, feels like it’s from a completely different song and has wrong vibe. QE solo is much better, not close.Eilian said:
Are you being serious?
Then how do you make generalizations about it if you have no idea the degree of difficulty it took?Eilian said:
Could you play it on the guitar?Eilian said:
It does it's best to ruin Quick Escape.
You really think lazy noodling would be put in this record?Eilian said:
Of some description, yeah.
I don’t mean to get all inside baseball, but are you a musician? I ask because of your “lazy noodling” comment.
That end solo sounds like a one-take improv. It's horrible.
What are you, 12?
I'm not a lead guitarist.
I'm acutely aware of my limitations as a guitarist. And am equally aware of how difficult technical shredding is. I also understand melody, and McCready's improvs are all too often devoid of it. Solos shouldn't be just noodley fret-wanking that goes nowhere, they should elevate the song with a melody of their own.
Forget me, MCCREADY is capable of serving that song better (His solo in SBWM is both technical and serves the section it's played over perfectly) - perhaps he just needs to be reined in more consistently by a producer.
PS - Didn't feel that way on first listen.
To be fair to him, more often that not, the recorded versions work well.
But, he has been - purposely - playing them other than how he recorded them, and I think they sound worse for it.
1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 (#25) | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park 2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2025: Raleigh0 -
You sound very invested in this idea of me being really upset. It's actually quite strange.on2legs said:
It sounds like the bathwater is really upsetting to you. Maybe just try to enjoy the record for what it is and not worry about what it isn't.Eilian said:
"If the bathwater gets murky, you should probably throw the baby out with it."on2legs said:
Hmmm... if you’re not a fan of Mike’s live style you might want to consider that Pearl Jam might not be the band for you.Eilian said:
I'm Welsh - "butt" is a term of endearment. Dim (no) anger here.on2legs said:
Denial and anger are all part of the process. I think if Mike we’re here in person he would tell you that he hasn’t been purposely playing his solos for the last 20 years to upset you.Eilian said:
Thanks butt.on2legs said:
Just know that we’re here for you. Things will get better and you will be able to move past this.Eilian said:
It's not just this solo. It's almost every live improv of the last 20 years.on2legs said:
It really sounds like you’re upset with Mike about this solo. I’m sure with counseling you’ll come to forgive him.Eilian said:
Fair enough - but QE sounds, as I say, like a one-take improv, whereas - to my ear at least - SBWM sounds like he planned it out.Tremorman said:
SBWM solo doesn’t serve the song that well, feels like it’s from a completely different song and has wrong vibe. QE solo is much better, not close.Eilian said:
Are you being serious?
Then how do you make generalizations about it if you have no idea the degree of difficulty it took?Eilian said:
Could you play it on the guitar?Eilian said:
It does it's best to ruin Quick Escape.
You really think lazy noodling would be put in this record?Eilian said:
Of some description, yeah.
I don’t mean to get all inside baseball, but are you a musician? I ask because of your “lazy noodling” comment.
That end solo sounds like a one-take improv. It's horrible.
What are you, 12?
I'm not a lead guitarist.
I'm acutely aware of my limitations as a guitarist. And am equally aware of how difficult technical shredding is. I also understand melody, and McCready's improvs are all too often devoid of it. Solos shouldn't be just noodley fret-wanking that goes nowhere, they should elevate the song with a melody of their own.
Forget me, MCCREADY is capable of serving that song better (His solo in SBWM is both technical and serves the section it's played over perfectly) - perhaps he just needs to be reined in more consistently by a producer.
PS - Didn't feel that way on first listen.
To be fair to him, more often that not, the recorded versions work well.
But, he has been - purposely - playing them other than how he recorded them, and I think they sound worse for it.
You were supposed to glean from the bathwater comment, how ridiculous your suggestion that my preferring McCready's studio efforts to his live ones, should somehow make me less of a fan.
Your comments are cultish and creepy, like I need to swear an oath of allegiance.
Honestly, I think you're more concerned with how little I like this record than even I am.0 -
Are you gutted by his post?Eilian said:
You sound very invested in this idea of me being really upset. It's actually quite strange.on2legs said:
It sounds like the bathwater is really upsetting to you. Maybe just try to enjoy the record for what it is and not worry about what it isn't.Eilian said:
"If the bathwater gets murky, you should probably throw the baby out with it."on2legs said:
Hmmm... if you’re not a fan of Mike’s live style you might want to consider that Pearl Jam might not be the band for you.Eilian said:
I'm Welsh - "butt" is a term of endearment. Dim (no) anger here.on2legs said:
Denial and anger are all part of the process. I think if Mike we’re here in person he would tell you that he hasn’t been purposely playing his solos for the last 20 years to upset you.Eilian said:
Thanks butt.on2legs said:
Just know that we’re here for you. Things will get better and you will be able to move past this.Eilian said:
It's not just this solo. It's almost every live improv of the last 20 years.on2legs said:
It really sounds like you’re upset with Mike about this solo. I’m sure with counseling you’ll come to forgive him.Eilian said:
Fair enough - but QE sounds, as I say, like a one-take improv, whereas - to my ear at least - SBWM sounds like he planned it out.Tremorman said:
SBWM solo doesn’t serve the song that well, feels like it’s from a completely different song and has wrong vibe. QE solo is much better, not close.Eilian said:
Are you being serious?
Then how do you make generalizations about it if you have no idea the degree of difficulty it took?Eilian said:
Could you play it on the guitar?Eilian said:
It does it's best to ruin Quick Escape.
You really think lazy noodling would be put in this record?Eilian said:
Of some description, yeah.
I don’t mean to get all inside baseball, but are you a musician? I ask because of your “lazy noodling” comment.
That end solo sounds like a one-take improv. It's horrible.
What are you, 12?
I'm not a lead guitarist.
I'm acutely aware of my limitations as a guitarist. And am equally aware of how difficult technical shredding is. I also understand melody, and McCready's improvs are all too often devoid of it. Solos shouldn't be just noodley fret-wanking that goes nowhere, they should elevate the song with a melody of their own.
Forget me, MCCREADY is capable of serving that song better (His solo in SBWM is both technical and serves the section it's played over perfectly) - perhaps he just needs to be reined in more consistently by a producer.
PS - Didn't feel that way on first listen.
To be fair to him, more often that not, the recorded versions work well.
But, he has been - purposely - playing them other than how he recorded them, and I think they sound worse for it.
You were supposed to glean from the bathwater comment, how ridiculous your suggestion that my preferring McCready's studio efforts to his live ones, should somehow make me less of a fan.
Your comments are cultish and creepy, like I need to swear an oath of allegiance.
Honestly, I think you're more concerned with how little I like this record than even I am.www.myspace.com0 -
And I’M the troll?The Juggler said:
Are you gutted by his post?Eilian said:
You sound very invested in this idea of me being really upset. It's actually quite strange.on2legs said:
It sounds like the bathwater is really upsetting to you. Maybe just try to enjoy the record for what it is and not worry about what it isn't.Eilian said:
"If the bathwater gets murky, you should probably throw the baby out with it."on2legs said:
Hmmm... if you’re not a fan of Mike’s live style you might want to consider that Pearl Jam might not be the band for you.Eilian said:
I'm Welsh - "butt" is a term of endearment. Dim (no) anger here.on2legs said:
Denial and anger are all part of the process. I think if Mike we’re here in person he would tell you that he hasn’t been purposely playing his solos for the last 20 years to upset you.Eilian said:
Thanks butt.on2legs said:
Just know that we’re here for you. Things will get better and you will be able to move past this.Eilian said:
It's not just this solo. It's almost every live improv of the last 20 years.on2legs said:
It really sounds like you’re upset with Mike about this solo. I’m sure with counseling you’ll come to forgive him.Eilian said:
Fair enough - but QE sounds, as I say, like a one-take improv, whereas - to my ear at least - SBWM sounds like he planned it out.Tremorman said:
SBWM solo doesn’t serve the song that well, feels like it’s from a completely different song and has wrong vibe. QE solo is much better, not close.Eilian said:
Are you being serious?
Then how do you make generalizations about it if you have no idea the degree of difficulty it took?Eilian said:
Could you play it on the guitar?Eilian said:
It does it's best to ruin Quick Escape.
You really think lazy noodling would be put in this record?Eilian said:
Of some description, yeah.
I don’t mean to get all inside baseball, but are you a musician? I ask because of your “lazy noodling” comment.
That end solo sounds like a one-take improv. It's horrible.
What are you, 12?
I'm not a lead guitarist.
I'm acutely aware of my limitations as a guitarist. And am equally aware of how difficult technical shredding is. I also understand melody, and McCready's improvs are all too often devoid of it. Solos shouldn't be just noodley fret-wanking that goes nowhere, they should elevate the song with a melody of their own.
Forget me, MCCREADY is capable of serving that song better (His solo in SBWM is both technical and serves the section it's played over perfectly) - perhaps he just needs to be reined in more consistently by a producer.
PS - Didn't feel that way on first listen.
To be fair to him, more often that not, the recorded versions work well.
But, he has been - purposely - playing them other than how he recorded them, and I think they sound worse for it.
You were supposed to glean from the bathwater comment, how ridiculous your suggestion that my preferring McCready's studio efforts to his live ones, should somehow make me less of a fan.
Your comments are cultish and creepy, like I need to swear an oath of allegiance.
Honestly, I think you're more concerned with how little I like this record than even I am.0 -
You sound terribly upset about this solo. We’ve heard it in post after post. It sounds like an obsession. Why not just enjoy the record for what it is and not what it isn’t?Eilian said:
You sound very invested in this idea of me being really upset. It's actually quite strange.on2legs said:
It sounds like the bathwater is really upsetting to you. Maybe just try to enjoy the record for what it is and not worry about what it isn't.Eilian said:
"If the bathwater gets murky, you should probably throw the baby out with it."on2legs said:
Hmmm... if you’re not a fan of Mike’s live style you might want to consider that Pearl Jam might not be the band for you.Eilian said:
I'm Welsh - "butt" is a term of endearment. Dim (no) anger here.on2legs said:
Denial and anger are all part of the process. I think if Mike we’re here in person he would tell you that he hasn’t been purposely playing his solos for the last 20 years to upset you.Eilian said:
Thanks butt.on2legs said:
Just know that we’re here for you. Things will get better and you will be able to move past this.Eilian said:
It's not just this solo. It's almost every live improv of the last 20 years.on2legs said:
It really sounds like you’re upset with Mike about this solo. I’m sure with counseling you’ll come to forgive him.Eilian said:
Fair enough - but QE sounds, as I say, like a one-take improv, whereas - to my ear at least - SBWM sounds like he planned it out.Tremorman said:
SBWM solo doesn’t serve the song that well, feels like it’s from a completely different song and has wrong vibe. QE solo is much better, not close.Eilian said:
Are you being serious?
Then how do you make generalizations about it if you have no idea the degree of difficulty it took?Eilian said:
Could you play it on the guitar?Eilian said:
It does it's best to ruin Quick Escape.
You really think lazy noodling would be put in this record?Eilian said:
Of some description, yeah.
I don’t mean to get all inside baseball, but are you a musician? I ask because of your “lazy noodling” comment.
That end solo sounds like a one-take improv. It's horrible.
What are you, 12?
I'm not a lead guitarist.
I'm acutely aware of my limitations as a guitarist. And am equally aware of how difficult technical shredding is. I also understand melody, and McCready's improvs are all too often devoid of it. Solos shouldn't be just noodley fret-wanking that goes nowhere, they should elevate the song with a melody of their own.
Forget me, MCCREADY is capable of serving that song better (His solo in SBWM is both technical and serves the section it's played over perfectly) - perhaps he just needs to be reined in more consistently by a producer.
PS - Didn't feel that way on first listen.
To be fair to him, more often that not, the recorded versions work well.
But, he has been - purposely - playing them other than how he recorded them, and I think they sound worse for it.
You were supposed to glean from the bathwater comment, how ridiculous your suggestion that my preferring McCready's studio efforts to his live ones, should somehow make me less of a fan.
Your comments are cultish and creepy, like I need to swear an oath of allegiance.
Honestly, I think you're more concerned with how little I like this record than even I am.1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 (#25) | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park 2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2025: Raleigh0 -
Finally got to play this album while driving. Amazing how little I do that these days. This song was a killer one to drive to. Found myself accelerating excessively near the end when Ed and Matt start increasing the tempo. I think it's one of their strongest opening tracks to put on an album. I also like how the intro is that first little snippet we ever got to hear when the promos for the album came out.It's a hopeless situation...0
Categories
- All Categories
- 148.8K Pearl Jam's Music and Activism
- 110K The Porch
- 274 Vitalogy
- 35K Given To Fly (live)
- 3.5K Words and Music...Communication
- 39.1K Flea Market
- 39.1K Lost Dogs
- 58.7K Not Pearl Jam's Music
- 10.6K Musicians and Gearheads
- 29.1K Other Music
- 17.8K Poetry, Prose, Music & Art
- 1.1K The Art Wall
- 56.7K Non-Pearl Jam Discussion
- 22.2K A Moving Train
- 31.7K All Encompassing Trip
- 2.9K Technical Stuff and Help