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Excellent point. Embarrassingly underprepared.rgambs said:
It really seems more like we are just woefully unprepared.bbiggs said:
It was really good! No Lou’s tonight.mcgruff10 said:
Yeah nyc is doing the same.bbiggs said:McCormick Place in Chicago, which is the largest convention center in the US, is being turned into a makeshift hospital. This is so surreal.
How was the pizza? You get a Lou s?!I can’t believe how so much of the country (and planet) is being engulfed by this virus so rapidly. Local hospitals are starting to make statements about protocol when they inevitably have to choose who gets the ventilators based on chance of survival. This thing is relentless.0 -
A lack of intelligence and leadership will do that to a country.rgambs said:
It really seems more like we are just woefully unprepared.bbiggs said:
It was really good! No Lou’s tonight.mcgruff10 said:
Yeah nyc is doing the same.bbiggs said:McCormick Place in Chicago, which is the largest convention center in the US, is being turned into a makeshift hospital. This is so surreal.
How was the pizza? You get a Lou s?!I can’t believe how so much of the country (and planet) is being engulfed by this virus so rapidly. Local hospitals are starting to make statements about protocol when they inevitably have to choose who gets the ventilators based on chance of survival. This thing is relentless.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Totally agree.bbiggs said:
Excellent point. Embarrassingly underprepared.rgambs said:
It really seems more like we are just woefully unprepared.bbiggs said:
It was really good! No Lou’s tonight.mcgruff10 said:
Yeah nyc is doing the same.bbiggs said:McCormick Place in Chicago, which is the largest convention center in the US, is being turned into a makeshift hospital. This is so surreal.
How was the pizza? You get a Lou s?!I can’t believe how so much of the country (and planet) is being engulfed by this virus so rapidly. Local hospitals are starting to make statements about protocol when they inevitably have to choose who gets the ventilators based on chance of survival. This thing is relentless.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Not the world right. Just the US.Halifax2TheMax said:
A lack of intelligence and leadership will do that to a country.rgambs said:
It really seems more like we are just woefully unprepared.bbiggs said:
It was really good! No Lou’s tonight.mcgruff10 said:
Yeah nyc is doing the same.bbiggs said:McCormick Place in Chicago, which is the largest convention center in the US, is being turned into a makeshift hospital. This is so surreal.
How was the pizza? You get a Lou s?!I can’t believe how so much of the country (and planet) is being engulfed by this virus so rapidly. Local hospitals are starting to make statements about protocol when they inevitably have to choose who gets the ventilators based on chance of survival. This thing is relentless.0 -
Feel free to list the countries or call it the world. Is there a New World Order yet?nicknyr15 said:
Not the world right. Just the US.Halifax2TheMax said:
A lack of intelligence and leadership will do that to a country.rgambs said:
It really seems more like we are just woefully unprepared.bbiggs said:
It was really good! No Lou’s tonight.mcgruff10 said:
Yeah nyc is doing the same.bbiggs said:McCormick Place in Chicago, which is the largest convention center in the US, is being turned into a makeshift hospital. This is so surreal.
How was the pizza? You get a Lou s?!I can’t believe how so much of the country (and planet) is being engulfed by this virus so rapidly. Local hospitals are starting to make statements about protocol when they inevitably have to choose who gets the ventilators based on chance of survival. This thing is relentless.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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A healthcare system based on profits, bottom line, and the insurance industry will leave you woefully unprepared.Halifax2TheMax said:
A lack of intelligence and leadership will do that to a country.rgambs said:
It really seems more like we are just woefully unprepared.bbiggs said:
It was really good! No Lou’s tonight.mcgruff10 said:
Yeah nyc is doing the same.bbiggs said:McCormick Place in Chicago, which is the largest convention center in the US, is being turned into a makeshift hospital. This is so surreal.
How was the pizza? You get a Lou s?!I can’t believe how so much of the country (and planet) is being engulfed by this virus so rapidly. Local hospitals are starting to make statements about protocol when they inevitably have to choose who gets the ventilators based on chance of survival. This thing is relentless.Scio me nihil scire
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So, I agree somewhat with you. But each of these hospitals had to have a pandemic plan, a business continuity plan so to speak, they are failing. The fact that they don’t have basic PPE is on them. That’s just bullshit. It embarrasing.Halifax2TheMax said:
A lack of intelligence and leadership will do that to a country.rgambs said:
It really seems more like we are just woefully unprepared.bbiggs said:
It was really good! No Lou’s tonight.mcgruff10 said:
Yeah nyc is doing the same.bbiggs said:McCormick Place in Chicago, which is the largest convention center in the US, is being turned into a makeshift hospital. This is so surreal.
How was the pizza? You get a Lou s?!I can’t believe how so much of the country (and planet) is being engulfed by this virus so rapidly. Local hospitals are starting to make statements about protocol when they inevitably have to choose who gets the ventilators based on chance of survival. This thing is relentless.hippiemom = goodness0 -
^ I agree. If I looked back through this thread I'd see that I found some of the last N95s in town prolly a month back.
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@Smellyman does the hate go both ways between Taiwan and China?I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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brianlux said:MayDay10 said:mcgruff10 said:Latest numbers: The grim numbers keep getting worse by the day, with New Jersey now having at least 11,124 confirmed cases of the coronavirus, including 140 known deaths, as state officials Saturday reported 2,289 new positive tests and 32 new deaths from an outbreak they expect to keep affecting the state through at least May.
I know I keep quoting you and saying this... but the cases are much, much more, and as more testing occurs, more positive cases are being logged. All these hot cases now are from when 'social distancing' was put into place about St Patrick's Day. This massive case jump was all expected, which was the source of the 'freak out' by most people who were paying attention right around March 10th-11th.
I point this out to be encouraging moreso than scary. It is likely that the 11,000 in New Jersey is 10-20x that amount, which means that the 32 deaths are out of that (much larger) pool. Same with New York and every other populated location. As I stated earlier, I know a few people who have it and are not counted in the cases, and they are doing very well and getting closer to 100%.
It is scary too because you need to assume that everyone has it, and the hospitals are packing up with an unsustainable load.
Really unsure how things can proceed. They say New York City should peak sometime in the next 8-21 days. What then? Meanwhile, other cities will be hit just as hard. They cant just then open things up because we will be right back to square 1 again before long.
IMO the biggest hope is that some of the best minds in the world figure out a treatment to get control of this virus and the symptoms to ease the load off the hospitals and the life saving equipment that will be at a premium. This way I think we can all be re-introduced into society before the vaccine is vetted because the % of cases that are severe and life threatening will be way down.
Good points made here, MayDay. I think many will have to return to work before the virus is gone. That won't happen until it burns out of it's own accord as viruses do or when a vaccine is perfects. As I understand it, either scenario will be at least a year to a year and a half from now. There's no way we can continue to operate with a shut down lasting 12 to 18 months. It's looking likely that people who have had the virus and are fully recovered have built an immunity, so they can likely go back to work. It's also looking like there are many now who have tested positive who show little or no symptoms- I've read that may be as many as 50%. It sucks that this virus is taking many lives (at my age, that's a big worry), but that is the reality. As terrible as that is though, we have to keep in mind that the world will go on- this is not Armageddon- and as well as keeping as many safe as possible- especially those in the higher risk categories- we also have to plan ahead and look at how we are going to put the pieces back together and avoid mass unrest and societal and economic breakdown. That's a hard balance to strike, but it must be done.
My large employer shut down the offices March 12 when there were only about 1500 cases in the entire country. So we go back to work when we have how many cases?
The US became the dominant infection center because it dragged its feet and took about 10 days to shut down. In those days the infection exploded. Now we are rushing back before a treatment is identified? Before we know if that immunity works on a subsequent outbreak?0 -
mcgruff10 said:
It makes a lot of sense. I think we are now two weeks out since lockdown began, hopefully the numbers start to go down.MayDay10 said:mcgruff10 said:Latest numbers: The grim numbers keep getting worse by the day, with New Jersey now having at least 11,124 confirmed cases of the coronavirus, including 140 known deaths, as state officials Saturday reported 2,289 new positive tests and 32 new deaths from an outbreak they expect to keep affecting the state through at least May.
I know I keep quoting you and saying this... but the cases are much, much more, and as more testing occurs, more positive cases are being logged. All these hot cases now are from when 'social distancing' was put into place about St Patrick's Day. This massive case jump was all expected, which was the source of the 'freak out' by most people who were paying attention right around March 10th-11th.
I point this out to be encouraging moreso than scary. It is likely that the 11,000 in New Jersey is 10-20x that amount, which means that the 32 deaths are out of that (much larger) pool. Same with New York and every other populated location. As I stated earlier, I know a few people who have it and are not counted in the cases, and they are doing very well and getting closer to 100%.
It is scary too because you need to assume that everyone has it, and the hospitals are packing up with an unsustainable load.
Really unsure how things can proceed. They say New York City should peak sometime in the next 8-21 days. What then? Meanwhile, other cities will be hit just as hard. They cant just then open things up because we will be right back to square 1 again before long.
IMO the biggest hope is that some of the best minds in the world figure out a treatment to get control of this virus and the symptoms to ease the load off the hospitals and the life saving equipment that will be at a premium. This way I think we can all be re-introduced into society before the vaccine is vetted because the % of cases that are severe and life threatening will be way down.
They don't look worried about spreading the disease. Live from the epicenter.
https://gothamist.com/arts-entertainment/photos-show-nyc-parks-still-bustling-during-global-pandemic
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mcgruff10 said:@Smellyman does the hate go both ways between Taiwan and China?Taiwanese mostly think China is petty. Taiwan is an independent democratic country so they laugh at the pettiness.But they are very wary of China and will not allow them to take over. The pro Beijing politicians get worked in elections.But when you have every company on earth bowing to China it makes it more maddening.The WHO won't acknowledge Taiwan, Airlines won't put it on their maps and call it Province of China, International sporting events call it Chinese-Taipei? wtf is that?I could drone on about the awful government of China0
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So will a lack of intelligence. And leadership.static111 said:
A healthcare system based on profits, bottom line, and the insurance industry will leave you woefully unprepared.Halifax2TheMax said:
A lack of intelligence and leadership will do that to a country.rgambs said:
It really seems more like we are just woefully unprepared.bbiggs said:
It was really good! No Lou’s tonight.mcgruff10 said:
Yeah nyc is doing the same.bbiggs said:McCormick Place in Chicago, which is the largest convention center in the US, is being turned into a makeshift hospital. This is so surreal.
How was the pizza? You get a Lou s?!I can’t believe how so much of the country (and planet) is being engulfed by this virus so rapidly. Local hospitals are starting to make statements about protocol when they inevitably have to choose who gets the ventilators based on chance of survival. This thing is relentless.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Is it easy to travel between both countries? Passport required?Smellyman said:mcgruff10 said:@Smellyman does the hate go both ways between Taiwan and China?Taiwanese mostly think China is petty. Taiwan is an independent democratic country so they laugh at the pettiness.But they are very wary of China and will not allow them to take over. The pro Beijing politicians get worked in elections.But when you have every company on earth bowing to China it makes it more maddening.The WHO won't acknowledge Taiwan, Airlines won't put it on their maps and call it Province of China, International sporting events call it Chinese-Taipei? wtf is that?I could drone on about the awful government of China
thank you for the insight.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
^ Everybody knows the world is full of stupid people.
But really, ARE most leaders and governments that stupid to react so slow? I mean, I half hope it's bloody intentional just to prove otherwise.
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mcgruff10 said:
Is it easy to travel between both countries? Passport required?Smellyman said:mcgruff10 said:@Smellyman does the hate go both ways between Taiwan and China?Taiwanese mostly think China is petty. Taiwan is an independent democratic country so they laugh at the pettiness.But they are very wary of China and will not allow them to take over. The pro Beijing politicians get worked in elections.But when you have every company on earth bowing to China it makes it more maddening.The WHO won't acknowledge Taiwan, Airlines won't put it on their maps and call it Province of China, International sporting events call it Chinese-Taipei? wtf is that?I could drone on about the awful government of China
thank you for the insight.Need a China Visa sam as any other country. Passport too of course.
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Yeah, at least in Denver area the statewide lockdown is a joke. I see more cars on the road than I do during a normal business day. The number of stores still opened and considered essential is laughable.Lerxst1992 said:mcgruff10 said:
It makes a lot of sense. I think we are now two weeks out since lockdown began, hopefully the numbers start to go down.MayDay10 said:mcgruff10 said:Latest numbers: The grim numbers keep getting worse by the day, with New Jersey now having at least 11,124 confirmed cases of the coronavirus, including 140 known deaths, as state officials Saturday reported 2,289 new positive tests and 32 new deaths from an outbreak they expect to keep affecting the state through at least May.
I know I keep quoting you and saying this... but the cases are much, much more, and as more testing occurs, more positive cases are being logged. All these hot cases now are from when 'social distancing' was put into place about St Patrick's Day. This massive case jump was all expected, which was the source of the 'freak out' by most people who were paying attention right around March 10th-11th.
I point this out to be encouraging moreso than scary. It is likely that the 11,000 in New Jersey is 10-20x that amount, which means that the 32 deaths are out of that (much larger) pool. Same with New York and every other populated location. As I stated earlier, I know a few people who have it and are not counted in the cases, and they are doing very well and getting closer to 100%.
It is scary too because you need to assume that everyone has it, and the hospitals are packing up with an unsustainable load.
Really unsure how things can proceed. They say New York City should peak sometime in the next 8-21 days. What then? Meanwhile, other cities will be hit just as hard. They cant just then open things up because we will be right back to square 1 again before long.
IMO the biggest hope is that some of the best minds in the world figure out a treatment to get control of this virus and the symptoms to ease the load off the hospitals and the life saving equipment that will be at a premium. This way I think we can all be re-introduced into society before the vaccine is vetted because the % of cases that are severe and life threatening will be way down.
They don't look worried about spreading the disease. Live from the epicenter.
https://gothamist.com/arts-entertainment/photos-show-nyc-parks-still-bustling-during-global-pandemic
I wrongfully predicted looting if not full out riots, but I also anticipated a lockdown being more than this too.Looking at the numbers it’s gone up about 30,000 from this time last night. Not surprising actually.
I think this halfway shutdown may be worse for the economy too. We could be like this for months, or complete shutdown for a few weeks instead would probably be more effective and less damaging to the economy too.0 -
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Lerxst1992 said:brianlux said:MayDay10 said:mcgruff10 said:Latest numbers: The grim numbers keep getting worse by the day, with New Jersey now having at least 11,124 confirmed cases of the coronavirus, including 140 known deaths, as state officials Saturday reported 2,289 new positive tests and 32 new deaths from an outbreak they expect to keep affecting the state through at least May.
I know I keep quoting you and saying this... but the cases are much, much more, and as more testing occurs, more positive cases are being logged. All these hot cases now are from when 'social distancing' was put into place about St Patrick's Day. This massive case jump was all expected, which was the source of the 'freak out' by most people who were paying attention right around March 10th-11th.
I point this out to be encouraging moreso than scary. It is likely that the 11,000 in New Jersey is 10-20x that amount, which means that the 32 deaths are out of that (much larger) pool. Same with New York and every other populated location. As I stated earlier, I know a few people who have it and are not counted in the cases, and they are doing very well and getting closer to 100%.
It is scary too because you need to assume that everyone has it, and the hospitals are packing up with an unsustainable load.
Really unsure how things can proceed. They say New York City should peak sometime in the next 8-21 days. What then? Meanwhile, other cities will be hit just as hard. They cant just then open things up because we will be right back to square 1 again before long.
IMO the biggest hope is that some of the best minds in the world figure out a treatment to get control of this virus and the symptoms to ease the load off the hospitals and the life saving equipment that will be at a premium. This way I think we can all be re-introduced into society before the vaccine is vetted because the % of cases that are severe and life threatening will be way down.
Good points made here, MayDay. I think many will have to return to work before the virus is gone. That won't happen until it burns out of it's own accord as viruses do or when a vaccine is perfects. As I understand it, either scenario will be at least a year to a year and a half from now. There's no way we can continue to operate with a shut down lasting 12 to 18 months. It's looking likely that people who have had the virus and are fully recovered have built an immunity, so they can likely go back to work. It's also looking like there are many now who have tested positive who show little or no symptoms- I've read that may be as many as 50%. It sucks that this virus is taking many lives (at my age, that's a big worry), but that is the reality. As terrible as that is though, we have to keep in mind that the world will go on- this is not Armageddon- and as well as keeping as many safe as possible- especially those in the higher risk categories- we also have to plan ahead and look at how we are going to put the pieces back together and avoid mass unrest and societal and economic breakdown. That's a hard balance to strike, but it must be done.
My large employer shut down the offices March 12 when there were only about 1500 cases in the entire country. So we go back to work when we have how many cases?
The US became the dominant infection center because it dragged its feet and took about 10 days to shut down. In those days the infection exploded. Now we are rushing back before a treatment is identified? Before we know if that immunity works on a subsequent outbreak?Rushing back? Oh hell no, Lerxst. I get what you're saying. But please note that in my post I said, "Plan ahead." I'm just saying I hope some of whomever is calling the shots are looking looking at all factors, looking ahead to make decisions about what's best to do as things unfold. That might include recovered victims of the virus going back to work. If I were not an old guy, and if I had gotten the virus and recovered from it, I would be out there working- working hard like a lot of folks out there are. (Damn! I miss working.) But at this point in my life, I would be in the way. Lead, follow, or stay the hell home! OK, I'm home!But "rush ahead"? No, you're right, no way.
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