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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,993
    Eilian said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Eilian said:
    Definitely. 

    I'm actually gutted to hear so many recycled ideas.
    Gutted? Come on, dude. Man-up a little. 
    Man-up?

    I have high expectations of this lot - I've had semi-religious experiences to their music and get stupidly excited for new releases.

    So much of this songwriting feels dialled in to me, and the bits that don't are spoiled by odd production choices or McCready's lazy noodling, so yeah - I'm gutted.
    Well if you’re gutted by Gigaton, then you must have clinically depressed by Avocado, Backspacer, and Lightning Bolt. 
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  • Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh Posts: 1,180
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:

    I don’t mean to get all inside baseball, but are you a musician? I ask because of your “lazy noodling” comment. 
    Of some description, yeah.
    You really think lazy noodling would be put in this record?
    looking to hear of the earth
  • Eilian
    Eilian Posts: 276
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Eilian said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Eilian said:
    Definitely. 

    I'm actually gutted to hear so many recycled ideas.
    Gutted? Come on, dude. Man-up a little. 
    Man-up?

    I have high expectations of this lot - I've had semi-religious experiences to their music and get stupidly excited for new releases.

    So much of this songwriting feels dialled in to me, and the bits that don't are spoiled by odd production choices or McCready's lazy noodling, so yeah - I'm gutted.
    Well if you’re gutted by Gigaton, then you must have clinically depressed by Avocado, Backspacer, and Lightning Bolt. 
    In parts, yeah. Really don't like the garage-band gear they sometimes slip into, so stuff like Gonna See My Friend from such a talented bunch of musicians bums me out. That said, I honestly think the high spots of both Backspacer and Lightning Bolt trump 90% of this album.
  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,216
    pendulum is still my favorite song from the last 3 albums. I can’t even explain why. I just fuckin love it 
  • Eilian
    Eilian Posts: 276
    nicknyr15 said:
    pendulum is still my favorite song from the last 3 albums. I can’t even explain why. I just fuckin love it 
    Pendulum is beautiful.
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,993
    Eilian said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Eilian said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Eilian said:
    Definitely. 

    I'm actually gutted to hear so many recycled ideas.
    Gutted? Come on, dude. Man-up a little. 
    Man-up?

    I have high expectations of this lot - I've had semi-religious experiences to their music and get stupidly excited for new releases.

    So much of this songwriting feels dialled in to me, and the bits that don't are spoiled by odd production choices or McCready's lazy noodling, so yeah - I'm gutted.
    Well if you’re gutted by Gigaton, then you must have clinically depressed by Avocado, Backspacer, and Lightning Bolt. 
    In parts, yeah. Really don't like the garage-band gear they sometimes slip into, so stuff like Gonna See My Friend from such a talented bunch of musicians bums me out. That said, I honestly think the high spots of both Backspacer and Lightning Bolt trump 90% of this album.
    I think the complete opposite. I can’t even think of any “high spots” on BS or LB. But to each their own I guess. 
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1

    Pearl Jam bootlegs:
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  • Eilian
    Eilian Posts: 276
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:

    I don’t mean to get all inside baseball, but are you a musician? I ask because of your “lazy noodling” comment. 
    Of some description, yeah.
    You really think lazy noodling would be put in this record?
    It does it's best to ruin Quick Escape.

    That end solo sounds like a one-take improv. It's horrible.
  • Eilian
    Eilian Posts: 276

    I think the complete opposite. I can’t even think of any “high spots” on BS or LB. But to each their own I guess. 
    No high spots at all? I wouldn't say they're brilliant start to finish either, but Force of Nature, Just Breathe, Pendulum?


  • KN219077
    KN219077 Montana Posts: 1,199
    nicknyr15 said:
    pendulum is still my favorite song from the last 3 albums. I can’t even explain why. I just fuckin love it 
    Yes, fantastic song
  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,216
    KN219077 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    pendulum is still my favorite song from the last 3 albums. I can’t even explain why. I just fuckin love it 
    Yes, fantastic song
    So good. 
  • Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh Posts: 1,180
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:

    I don’t mean to get all inside baseball, but are you a musician? I ask because of your “lazy noodling” comment. 
    Of some description, yeah.
    You really think lazy noodling would be put in this record?
    It does it's best to ruin Quick Escape.

    That end solo sounds like a one-take improv. It's horrible.
    Could you play it on the guitar?
    looking to hear of the earth
  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,216
    That end solo is awesome. And it’s mixed in your face. Jeff’s Vaseline is higher in the mix. Matt’s drums. Fuckin awesome. Cmon 
  • Eilian
    Eilian Posts: 276
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:

    I don’t mean to get all inside baseball, but are you a musician? I ask because of your “lazy noodling” comment. 
    Of some description, yeah.
    You really think lazy noodling would be put in this record?
    It does it's best to ruin Quick Escape.

    That end solo sounds like a one-take improv. It's horrible.
    Could you play it on the guitar?
    What are you, 12?

    I'm not a lead guitarist. 
  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,216
    Anyway back I topic. I love how I thought I had Who Ever said figures out after the first two min. Boy was I wrong. That middle section is great. Love the lack of traditional structure 
  • Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh Posts: 1,180
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:

    I don’t mean to get all inside baseball, but are you a musician? I ask because of your “lazy noodling” comment. 
    Of some description, yeah.
    You really think lazy noodling would be put in this record?
    It does it's best to ruin Quick Escape.

    That end solo sounds like a one-take improv. It's horrible.
    Could you play it on the guitar?
    What are you, 12?

    I'm not a lead guitarist. 
    Then how do you make generalizations about it if you have no idea the degree of difficulty it took?
    looking to hear of the earth
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    A non-guitarist commenting on a solo is hilarious...
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  • KN219077
    KN219077 Montana Posts: 1,199
    Great opener too, if they didn’t over do it in 2013 it would be more highly regarded 
  • Eilian
    Eilian Posts: 276
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:
    Eilian said:
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:

    I don’t mean to get all inside baseball, but are you a musician? I ask because of your “lazy noodling” comment. 
    Of some description, yeah.
    You really think lazy noodling would be put in this record?
    It does it's best to ruin Quick Escape.

    That end solo sounds like a one-take improv. It's horrible.
    Could you play it on the guitar?
    What are you, 12?

    I'm not a lead guitarist. 
    Then how do you make generalizations about it if you have no idea the degree of difficulty it took?
    Are you being serious?

    I'm acutely aware of my limitations as a guitarist. And am equally aware of how difficult technical shredding is. I also understand melody, and McCready's improvs are all too often devoid of it. Solos shouldn't be just noodley fret-wanking that goes nowhere, they should elevate the song with a melody of their own.

    Forget me, MCCREADY is capable of serving that song better (His solo in SBWM is both technical and serves the section it's played over perfectly) - perhaps he just needs to be reined in more consistently by a producer. 
  • Eilian
    Eilian Posts: 276
    Gern Blansten said:
    A non-guitarist commenting on a solo is hilarious...
    Commenting negatively, you mean?

    If I had said it was the best solo I'd ever heard, my not being a lead guitarist wouldn't have devalued my opinion at all, would it?
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    Eilian said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    A non-guitarist commenting on a solo is hilarious...
    Commenting negatively, you mean?

    If I had said it was the best solo I'd ever heard, my not being a lead guitarist wouldn't have devalued my opinion at all, would it?
    actually yes
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2

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