The coronavirus

mcgruff10 · March 2020

bbiggs said:

mcgruff10 said:

MayDay10 said:

Spoke to a couple doctor friends today including an emergency room doctor

They think this thing has been making its rounds since the holidays. There were a ton of people travelling all over and quite a few sick people. Lots of respiratory stuff. I know in february, at one point, half my office was out sick.

A lot of the hysteria comes from testing and the media. Yes, action and distancing is wise at this point. They just think a lot of us have actually had it already and a lot of the anxiety is unwarranted.

I 100% agree with this. Literally everyone I know at work had these huge headaches and just not feeling well. Tons of sinus infections. We also had two healthy people in their 40s die of flu like symptoms.

Well that is alarming and atypical I would say. Sorry to hear that.

I am gonna guess it happened about two months ago.

Spiritual_Chaos · March 2020

MayDay10 said:

Spoke to a couple doctor friends today including an emergency room doctor

They think this thing has been making its rounds since the holidays. There were a ton of people travelling all over and quite a few sick people. Lots of respiratory stuff. I know in february, at one point, half my office was out sick.

A lot of the hysteria comes from testing and the media. Yes, action and distancing is wise at this point. They just think a lot of us have actually had it already and a lot of the anxiety is unwarranted.

mcgruff10 said:

MayDay10 said:

Spoke to a couple doctor friends today including an emergency room doctor

They think this thing has been making its rounds since the holidays. There were a ton of people travelling all over and quite a few sick people. Lots of respiratory stuff. I know in february, at one point, half my office was out sick.

A lot of the hysteria comes from testing and the media. Yes, action and distancing is wise at this point. They just think a lot of us have actually had it already and a lot of the anxiety is unwarranted.

I 100% agree with this. Literally everyone I know at work had these huge headaches and just not feeling well. Tons of sinus infections. We also had two healthy people in their 40s die of flu like symptoms.

Doubt.

EDIT: misread.

Spiritual_Chaos · March 2020

Gunnar Hökmark, chairman of the think-tank Frivärld and former moderate EU parliamentarian, wrote on Tuesday at Expressen Debate that China should apologize to the world for the corona pandemic.

“The serious Chinese attacks against Sweden for our handling of the corona virus should be seen against the fact that the Chinese Communist Party wants to escape all kind of responsibility for the spread of the epidemic. Lousy animal husbandry and substandard food standards, along with fear of the dictatorship's power and a culture of silence, are the main reasons why the world today is wrestling with a pandemic, "he wrote.

He continued:

"It has its background in the inability of a totalitarian system to take into account people's perceptions, their security and life. It is not Sweden or Europe that is the problem. It's China ”.

China condemns Gunnar Hökmark's debate article

Now China is going into counter-attacks.

According to the country's embassy in Stockholm, Gunnar Hökmark has "attacked and stigmatized" China.

"We strongly condemn his ridiculous words, and clearly express opposition to Expressen's publication of such a statement," the embassy writes on its website.

According to the embassy, China has acted "swiftly, resolutely and effectively" against covid-19 - and it is believed that Hökmark's demand that the country should apologize is "completely baseless and unfair".

The embassy further writes that Hökmark's statement is immoral and "a more frightening virus". They also demand that he apologize, both to China and to the world's corona victims.

Pap · March 2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2gdztJU1zY

brianlux · March 2020

MayDay10 said:

Spoke to a couple doctor friends today including an emergency room doctor

They think this thing has been making its rounds since the holidays. There were a ton of people travelling all over and quite a few sick people. Lots of respiratory stuff. I know in february, at one point, half my office was out sick.

A lot of the hysteria comes from testing and the media. Yes, action and distancing is wise at this point. They just think a lot of us have actually had it already and a lot of the anxiety is unwarranted.

I'll take any news that might help lower my anxiety level. That is what is probably more unhealthy for me and others like me who are anxiety prone- no doubt a lot of us. It's a lot healthier to keep as level as possible and look for ways to be healthy and helpful. I thought getting old and semi-retired would be more fun than this. These golden years are feeling a bit tarnished lately.

Sorry for the selfish post. I know we are all struggling.

Peace all.

dignin · March 2020

MayDay10 said:

Spoke to a couple doctor friends today including an emergency room doctor

They think this thing has been making its rounds since the holidays. There were a ton of people travelling all over and quite a few sick people. Lots of respiratory stuff. I know in february, at one point, half my office was out sick.

A lot of the hysteria comes from testing and the media. Yes, action and distancing is wise at this point. They just think a lot of us have actually had it already and a lot of the anxiety is unwarranted.

Very doubtful given what the experts have been saying and sounds like these guys have zero evidence to back up their thinking.

And so far what the experts have said has turned out to be right.

Sounds like your doctor friends are very uninformed so I'm going to believe the experts on this.

jerparker20 · March 2020

MayDay10 said:

Spoke to a couple doctor friends today including an emergency room doctor

They think this thing has been making its rounds since the holidays. There were a ton of people travelling all over and quite a few sick people. Lots of respiratory stuff. I know in february, at one point, half my office was out sick.

A lot of the hysteria comes from testing and the media. Yes, action and distancing is wise at this point. They just think a lot of us have actually had it already and a lot of the anxiety is unwarranted.

To clarify, i’m not in anyway someone with any medical knowledge, but this wouldn’t surprise me if true. Probably around the new year, my office got hammered with something. Myself, and almost everyone else, were sick with coughs, fever, and generally feeling shitty. I even took a couple of sick days and dealt with lingering congestion/cough for a couple weeks. Who knows.

in MN, COVID testing is being severely limited and people who are coming down with illness are being told that they probably have the virus and to just self quarantine. Not the best way to track and prevent, but what do I know.

hedonist · March 2020

Mikemzl91 said:

“And the people stayed home. And read books, and listened, and rested, and exercised, and made art, and played games, and learned new ways of being, and were still. And listened more deeply. Some meditated, some prayed, some danced. Some met their shadows. And the people began to dreamed new images, and created new ways to live and heal the earth fully, as they had been healed.
~Kitty O'Meara'~

Somehow this was missed. I like

cincybearcat · March 2020

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Gunnar Hökmark, chairman of the think-tank Frivärld and former moderate EU parliamentarian, wrote on Tuesday at Expressen Debate that China should apologize to the world for the corona pandemic.

“The serious Chinese attacks against Sweden for our handling of the corona virus should be seen against the fact that the Chinese Communist Party wants to escape all kind of responsibility for the spread of the epidemic. Lousy animal husbandry and substandard food standards, along with fear of the dictatorship's power and a culture of silence, are the main reasons why the world today is wrestling with a pandemic, "he wrote.

He continued:

"It has its background in the inability of a totalitarian system to take into account people's perceptions, their security and life. It is not Sweden or Europe that is the problem. It's China ”.

China condemns Gunnar Hökmark's debate article
Now China is going into counter-attacks.

According to the country's embassy in Stockholm, Gunnar Hökmark has "attacked and stigmatized" China.

"We strongly condemn his ridiculous words, and clearly express opposition to Expressen's publication of such a statement," the embassy writes on its website.

According to the embassy, China has acted "swiftly, resolutely and effectively" against covid-19 - and it is believed that Hökmark's demand that the country should apologize is "completely baseless and unfair".

The embassy further writes that Hökmark's statement is immoral and "a more frightening virus". They also demand that he apologize, both to China and to the world's corona victims.

F China.

RunIntoTheRain · March 2020

mcgruff10 said:

MayDay10 said:

Spoke to a couple doctor friends today including an emergency room doctor

They think this thing has been making its rounds since the holidays. There were a ton of people travelling all over and quite a few sick people. Lots of respiratory stuff. I know in february, at one point, half my office was out sick.

A lot of the hysteria comes from testing and the media. Yes, action and distancing is wise at this point. They just think a lot of us have actually had it already and a lot of the anxiety is unwarranted.

I 100% agree with this. Literally everyone I know at work had these huge headaches and just not feeling well. Tons of sinus infections. We also had two healthy people in their 40s die of flu like symptoms.

Sinus infections are upper respiratory. Covid-19 is a lower respiratory infection i.e. lungs https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200310/know-the-symptoms-of-covid19

wndowpayne · March 2020

Merkin Baller said:

wndowpayne said:

mcgruff10 said:

My buddy on the rush hour train to nyc this morning

Not to be an ass but if he is virus free he should have left that mask on the shelf for somebody that could really need it.....Given it to an elderly person

You're assuming he ran out & bought it.
How do you know he didn't have it sitting in a tool box? I have a few myself from having done work around the house.

Maybe let's save the shaming for people who deserve it.

Yeah, I guess I was being a bit of a dick there..honestly, until you are tested, who knows if they have the crud or not..

CM189191 · March 2020

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what dreams · March 2020

Mikemzl91 said:

“And the people stayed home. And read books, and listened, and rested, and exercised, and made art, and played games, and learned new ways of being, and were still. And listened more deeply. Some meditated, some prayed, some danced. Some met their shadows. And the people began to dreamed new images, and created new ways to live and heal the earth fully, as they had been healed.
~Kitty O'Meara'~

This is lovely.

dignin · March 2020

99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says

cincybearcat · March 2020

dignin said:

99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says

Wow. Hmmm

oftenreading · March 2020

dignin said:

99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says

Well, that’s at least somewhat comforting, although as someone at risk to contract the virus who also has an underlying health condition (asthma) ...... it’s not looking so great for me

bbiggs · March 2020

oftenreading said:

dignin said:

99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says

Well, that’s at least somewhat comforting, although as someone at risk to contract the virus who also has an underlying health condition (asthma) ...... it’s not looking so great for me

I do agree that adds some level of comfort; however, I don’t know what baselines they are using for high blood pressure and heart disease. Guidelines say 120/80 is healthy blood pressure. So is someone who averages 130/80 in their “high” category? Is someone in the “pre-hypertension” category considered “high” in their numbers? Some more detailed data would be helpful, but at face value, this is encouraging. That said, having parents that are in their 60’s with underlying health issues continues to concern me. I know we’re all in this together and that is a concern for many of us.

Gern Blansten · March 2020

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/488321-japanese-flu-drug-reportedly-shows-promise?fbclid=IwAR1kEclGyzn0TivJlh6QoKXkwipsSlF87luTfSPKmghBZe_RKlcgJ-TD5Co&fbclid=IwAR1DXx1q0RPGdDg964cpFx9mlzrda8cvrcK1-SUCibMj6BKydE6GaESlqmQ

Here we go....

bbiggs · March 2020

^ I wonder how quickly that could go to market. It’s not a vaccine, so hopefully very quickly to bridge the gap before a vaccine is available in 1-1.5 years.

PJ_Soul · March 2020

bbiggs said:

oftenreading said:

dignin said:

99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says

Well, that’s at least somewhat comforting, although as someone at risk to contract the virus who also has an underlying health condition (asthma) ...... it’s not looking so great for me

I do agree that adds some level of comfort; however, I don’t know what baselines they are using for high blood pressure and heart disease. Guidelines say 120/80 is healthy blood pressure. So is someone who averages 130/80 in their “high” category? Is someone in the “pre-hypertension” category considered “high” in their numbers? Some more detailed data would be helpful, but at face value, this is encouraging. That said, having parents that are in their 60’s with underlying health issues continues to concern me. I know we’re all in this together and that is a concern for many of us.

Apparently obese people and those with diabetes are way more at risk too. So all these things together... like, 50% of America is at risk.

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