bbiggs said:

mcgruff10 said:

MayDay10 said:

Spoke to a couple doctor friends today including an emergency room doctor

They think this thing has been making its rounds since the holidays.  There were a ton of people travelling all over and quite a few sick people.  Lots of respiratory stuff.  I know in february, at one point, half my office was out sick.

A lot of the hysteria comes from testing and the media.  Yes, action and distancing is wise at this point.  They just think a lot of us have actually had it already and a lot of the anxiety is unwarranted.

I 100% agree with this.  Literally everyone I know at work had these huge headaches and just not feeling well.  Tons of sinus infections.  We also had two healthy people in their 40s die of flu like symptoms.  

Well that is alarming and atypical I would say.  Sorry to hear that. 

I am gonna guess it happened about two months ago.

MayDay10 said:

Spoke to a couple doctor friends today including an emergency room doctor

They think this thing has been making its rounds since the holidays.  There were a ton of people travelling all over and quite a few sick people.  Lots of respiratory stuff.  I know in february, at one point, half my office was out sick.

A lot of the hysteria comes from testing and the media.  Yes, action and distancing is wise at this point.  They just think a lot of us have actually had it already and a lot of the anxiety is unwarranted.

MayDay10 said:

Spoke to a couple doctor friends today including an emergency room doctor

They think this thing has been making its rounds since the holidays.  There were a ton of people travelling all over and quite a few sick people.  Lots of respiratory stuff.  I know in february, at one point, half my office was out sick.

A lot of the hysteria comes from testing and the media.  Yes, action and distancing is wise at this point.  They just think a lot of us have actually had it already and a lot of the anxiety is unwarranted.

To clarify, i’m not in anyway someone with any medical knowledge, but this wouldn’t surprise me if true.  Probably around the new year, my office got hammered with something.  Myself, and almost everyone else, were sick with coughs, fever, and generally feeling shitty. I even took a couple of sick days and dealt with lingering congestion/cough for a couple weeks. Who knows.

in MN, COVID testing is being severely limited and people who are coming down with illness are being told that they probably have the virus and to just self quarantine. Not the best way to track and prevent, but what do I know.

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Gunnar Hökmark, chairman of the think-tank Frivärld and former moderate EU parliamentarian, wrote on Tuesday at Expressen Debate that China should apologize to the world for the corona pandemic.

“The serious Chinese attacks against Sweden for our handling of the corona virus should be seen against the fact that the Chinese Communist Party wants to escape all kind of responsibility for the spread of the epidemic. Lousy animal husbandry and substandard food standards, along with fear of the dictatorship's power and a culture of silence, are the main reasons why the world today is wrestling with a pandemic, "he wrote.

He continued:

"It has its background in the inability of a totalitarian system to take into account people's perceptions, their security and life. It is not Sweden or Europe that is the problem. It's China ”.

China condemns Gunnar Hökmark's debate article

Now China is going into counter-attacks.

According to the country's embassy in Stockholm, Gunnar Hökmark has "attacked and stigmatized" China.

"We strongly condemn his ridiculous words, and clearly express opposition to Expressen's publication of such a statement," the embassy writes on its website.

According to the embassy, ​​China has acted "swiftly, resolutely and effectively" against covid-19 - and it is believed that Hökmark's demand that the country should apologize is "completely baseless and unfair".

The embassy further writes that Hökmark's statement is immoral and "a more frightening virus". They also demand that he apologize, both to China and to the world's corona victims.

F China.  

Merkin Baller said:

wndowpayne said:

mcgruff10 said:

My buddy on the rush hour train to nyc this morning    

Not to be an ass but if he is virus free he should have left that mask on the shelf for somebody that could really need it.....Given  it to an elderly person

You're assuming he ran out & bought it.

How do you know he didn't have it sitting in a tool box? I have a few myself from having done work around the house.

Maybe let's save the shaming for people who deserve it.
 

Yeah, I guess I was being a bit of a dick there..honestly, until you are tested, who knows if they have the crud or not..

Mikemzl91 said:

“And the people stayed home. And read books, and listened, and rested, and exercised, and made art, and played games, and learned new ways of being, and were still. And listened more deeply. Some meditated, some prayed, some danced. Some met their shadows. And the people began to dreamed new images, and created new ways to live and heal the earth fully, as they had been healed.
~Kitty O'Meara'~ 

This is lovely. 

dignin said:

99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says

Wow. Hmmm

oftenreading said:

dignin said:

99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says

Well, that’s at least somewhat comforting, although as someone at risk to contract the virus who also has an underlying health condition (asthma) ...... it’s not looking so great for me  

I do agree that adds some level of comfort; however, I don’t know what baselines they are using for high blood pressure and heart disease. Guidelines say 120/80 is healthy blood pressure. So is someone who averages 130/80 in their “high” category? Is someone in the “pre-hypertension” category considered “high” in their numbers?  Some more detailed data would be helpful, but at face value, this is encouraging.  That said, having parents that are in their 60’s with underlying health issues continues to concern me. I know we’re all in this together and that is a concern for many of us. 

^ I wonder how quickly that could go to market. It’s not a vaccine, so hopefully very quickly to bridge the gap before a vaccine is available in 1-1.5 years.