The coronavirus

Saltzy23 said:

The coffee shop I get my morning cup from is not allowing people to pour their own milk or sugar, and has one goddamn barista sitting there with 20 people in a line saying how they like it.

People are FREAKING THE FUCK OUT.

I was like, 'And the door I need to push to get out....who is gonna push that for me?  Or is that safe?'

There is no rhyme or reason to what is going on.

It's just complete panic and fear, and that is destroying markets and setting the world on fire.

People need to chill the FUCK OUT...

And start making their own damn coffee lol

dignin said:

Great informative podcast on coronavirus by Sam Harris. Highly recommend.

March 10, 2020

In this episode of the podcast, Sam Harris speaks with Nicholas Christakis about the coronavirus pandemic. They discuss the likely effects on society, proactive vs reactive school closures, community transmission, false comparisons between coronavirus and flu, the imperative of social distancing, the timeline of the pandemic, Trump’s political messaging, the widespread distrust of expertise, the importance of “flattening the curve” of the epidemic, the possible failure of our healthcare system, gradations of personal response to this threat, and other topics.

Nicholas A. Christakis, MD, PhD, MPH, is the Sterling Professor of Social and Natural Science at Yale University, where he directs the Human Nature Lab and is the Co-Director of the Yale Institute for Network Science. He was elected to the National Academy of Medicine in 2006, the American Association for the Advancement of Science in 2010, and the American Academy of Arts and Sciences in 2017. He is the author of the New York Times bestseller, Blueprint: The Evolutionary Origins of a Good Society, and known for his research in the areas of social networks, biosocial science, behavior genetics, and public health.

https://samharris.org/podcasts/190-respond-coronavirus/

Get out of here with your science based facts. Facts and science have no relevance. It’s all in the gut.

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mcgruff10 said:

Saltzy23 said:

The coffee shop I get my morning cup from is not allowing people to pour their own milk or sugar, and has one goddamn barista sitting there with 20 people in a line saying how they like it.

People are FREAKING THE FUCK OUT.

I was like, 'And the door I need to push to get out....who is gonna push that for me?  Or is that safe?'

There is no rhyme or reason to what is going on.

It's just complete panic and fear, and that is destroying markets and setting the world on fire.

People need to chill the FUCK OUT...

Forget the coffee, I think you need an adult beverage.  

Preferably a Cabernet with ice.

I'm never going to live that one down.  

You don't have to be Menenius, an allaying drop of Tiber suits if it suits.

^ I see your point McG. If this..then??? Why Italy target? Some JFK sh@! we dont know about?

tish said:

^ I see your point McG. If this..then??? Why Italy target? Some JFK sh@! we dont know about?

From thia depopulation perspective, Trumps' blase attitude makes sense.

mcgruff10 said:

I was at the doctor's last week for a sinus infection and a nurse taking my vitals swears that he heard from another big wig government doctor that this virus was a man made weapon and somehow leaked out of the lab.  The reason that it isn't killing children is because it was meant to take out the adult population.  

That conspiracy theory has been floating around for a while. I'm not joking at all when I say this would be enough to get me to change doctors.

mcgruff10 said:

I was at the doctor's last week for a sinus infection and a nurse taking my vitals swears that he heard from another big wig government doctor that this virus was a man made weapon and somehow leaked out of the lab.  The reason that it isn't killing children is because it was meant to take out the adult population.  

Sounds legit! I think I will pass this on to as many people as I can.

Who needs the WHO?

From the linked report:

The Joint Mission consisted of 25 national and international experts from China, Germany, Japan, Korea, Nigeria, Russia, Singapore, the United States of America and the World Health Organization (WHO). The Joint Mission was headed by Dr Bruce Aylward of WHO and Dr Wannian Liang of the People’s Republic of China. The full list of members and their affiliations is available in Annex A. The Joint Mission was implemented over a 9-day period from 16-24 February 2020. The schedule of work is available in Annex B. 

Zoonotic origins COVID-19 is a zoonotic virus. From phylogenetics analyses undertaken with available full genome sequences, bats appear to be the reservoir of COVID-19 virus, but the intermediate host(s) has not yet been identified. However, three important areas of work are already underway in China to inform our understanding of the zoonotic origin of this outbreak. These include early investigations of cases with symptom onset in Wuhan throughout December 2019, environmental sampling from the Huanan Wholesale Seafood Market and other area markets, and the collection of detailed records on the source and type of wildlife species sold at the Huanan market and the destination of those animals after the market was closed.

In the face of a previously unknown virus, China has rolled out perhaps the most ambitious, agile and aggressive disease containment effort in history. The strategy that underpinned this containment effort was initially a national approach that promoted universal temperature monitoring, masking, and hand washing. However, as the outbreak evolved, and knowledge was gained, a science and risk-based approach was taken to tailor implementation. Specific containment measures were adjusted to the provincial, county and even community context, the capacity of the setting, and the nature of novel coronavirus transmission there.

Achieving China’s exceptional coverage with and adherence to these containment measures has only been possible due to the deep commitment of the Chinese people to collective action in the face of this common threat. At a community level this is reflected in the remarkable solidarity of provinces and cities in support of the most vulnerable populations and communities. Despite ongoing outbreaks in their own areas, Governors and Mayors have continued to send thousands of health care workers and tons of vital PPE supplies into Hubei province and Wuhan city. 

China’s bold approach to contain the rapid spread of this new respiratory pathogen has changed the course of a rapidly escalating and deadly epidemic. A particularly compelling statistic is that on the first day of the advance team’s work there were 2478 newly confirmed cases of COVID-19 reported in China. Two weeks later, on the final day of this Mission, China reported 409 newly confirmed cases.

China is already, and rightfully, working to bolster its economy, reopen its schools and return to a more normal semblance of its society, even as it works to contain the remaining chains of COVID-19 transmission. Appropriately, a science-based, riskinformed and phased approach is being taken, with a clear recognition and readiness of the need to immediately react to any new COVID-19 cases or clusters as key elements of the containment strategy are lifted.

The COVID-19 virus is a new pathogen that is highly contagious, can spread quickly, and must be considered capable of causing enormous health, economic and societal impacts in any setting. It is not SARS and it is not influenza. Building scenarios and strategies only on the basis of well-known pathogens risks failing to exploit all possible measures to slow transmission of the COVID-19 virus, reduce disease and save lives. COVID-19 is not SARS and it is not influenza. It is a new virus with its own characteristics. For example, COVID-19 transmission in children appears to be limited compared with influenza, while the clinical picture differs from SARS. Such differences, while based on limited data, may be playing a role in the apparent efficacy of rigorously 19 applied non-pharmaceutical, public health measures to interrupt chains of human-tohuman transmission in a range of settings in China. The COVID-19 virus is unique among human coronaviruses in its combination of high transmissibility, substantial fatal outcomes in some high-risk groups, and ability to cause huge societal and economic disruption. For planning purposes, it must be assumed that the global population is susceptible to this virus. As the animal origin of the COVID-19 virus is unknown at present, the risk of reintroduction into previously infected areas must be constantly considered. The novel nature, and our continuously evolving understanding, of this coronavirus demands a tremendous agility in our capacity to rapidly adapt and change our readiness and response planning as has been done continually in China. This is an extraordinary feat for a country of 1.4 billion people.

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf

static111 said:

mcgruff10 said:

I was at the doctor's last week for a sinus infection and a nurse taking my vitals swears that he heard from another big wig government doctor that this virus was a man made weapon and somehow leaked out of the lab.  The reason that it isn't killing children is because it was meant to take out the adult population.  

Sounds legit! I think I will pass this on to as many people as I can.