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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    HesCalledDyer said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    The whole of Italy is put into quarantine, but lets talk about like it's just the same ol' flu
    The same ol' flu is both more infectious and more deadly.  The difference is every single case of it isn't being blasted on 24 hour news channels, putting everyone into a panic frenzy.
    Wrong, and wrong.  Have you read this thread?  Have you read anything from the CDC?
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,694
    My two cents on why I think the band had to make this decision:

    - The situation is still pretty hazy and no one wants to be a headline. Here in MA, it's a conference Biogen hosted. Every day a new story. "5 more Biogen conference attendees test positive!" Ultra, SXSW, Coachella all canceled. You don't want that headline to read "Pearl Jam concert." Time may very well prove this to be overkill, but there is a ton of downside right now.

    - Do you trust this fanbase? If someone was recommended to quarantine and they had GA tickets to 3 shows, how many Ten Clubbers would do the right thing? We all shook our heads at the guy who went to the father/daughter dance, but you're trying to tell me a significant portion of fans wouldn't do the exact same thing? Except they'd also be jumping on planes and trains. We all read the threads during tour announcements and ticket draws. You have to take that decision out of their hands.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,021
    HesCalledDyer said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    The whole of Italy is put into quarantine, but lets talk about like it's just the same ol' flu
    The same ol' flu is both more infectious and more deadly.  The difference is every single case of it isn't being blasted on 24 hour news channels, putting everyone into a panic frenzy.
    "more deadly"?  Do you only define that by raw numbers, not by rate?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,021
    pjl44 said:
    My two cents on why I think the band had to make this decision:

    - The situation is still pretty hazy and no one wants to be a headline. Here in MA, it's a conference Biogen hosted. Every day a new story. "5 more Biogen conference attendees test positive!" Ultra, SXSW, Coachella all canceled. You don't want that headline to read "Pearl Jam concert." Time may very well prove this to be overkill, but there is a ton of downside right now.

    - Do you trust this fanbase? If someone was recommended to quarantine and they had GA tickets to 3 shows, how many Ten Clubbers would do the right thing? We all shook our heads at the guy who went to the father/daughter dance, but you're trying to tell me a significant portion of fans wouldn't do the exact same thing? Except they'd also be jumping on planes and trains. We all read the threads during tour announcements and ticket draws. You have to take that decision out of their hands.
    The decision was inevitable.  The band would have to be tone deaf to the entire world community to keep the tour going.  They would be making a decision to believe Trump over science.  Wasn't going to happen. 
  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 18,110
    Harvard is shutting campus down, telling students not to return after their spring break next week and will switch to "virtual instruction"
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,673
    benjs said:
    I’m excited to listen to 538’s latest podcast entry. It’s titled “is even Coronavirus partisan?”
    Yes because everyone knows that the diseases like the weather, facts, and statistics have a strong liberal bias
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,694
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    My two cents on why I think the band had to make this decision:

    - The situation is still pretty hazy and no one wants to be a headline. Here in MA, it's a conference Biogen hosted. Every day a new story. "5 more Biogen conference attendees test positive!" Ultra, SXSW, Coachella all canceled. You don't want that headline to read "Pearl Jam concert." Time may very well prove this to be overkill, but there is a ton of downside right now.

    - Do you trust this fanbase? If someone was recommended to quarantine and they had GA tickets to 3 shows, how many Ten Clubbers would do the right thing? We all shook our heads at the guy who went to the father/daughter dance, but you're trying to tell me a significant portion of fans wouldn't do the exact same thing? Except they'd also be jumping on planes and trains. We all read the threads during tour announcements and ticket draws. You have to take that decision out of their hands.
    The decision was inevitable.  The band would have to be tone deaf to the entire world community to keep the tour going.  They would be making a decision to believe Trump over science.  Wasn't going to happen. 
    Was it inevitable, though? Tool and Billie Eilish both just kicked off arena tours, to name a couple. Cancellations could be forthcoming but they're playing shows now.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,675
    edited March 2020
    HesCalledDyer said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    The whole of Italy is put into quarantine, but lets talk about like it's just the same ol' flu
    The same ol' flu is both more infectious and more deadly. The difference is every single case of it isn't being blasted on 24 hour news channels, putting everyone into a panic frenzy.

    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,021
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    My two cents on why I think the band had to make this decision:

    - The situation is still pretty hazy and no one wants to be a headline. Here in MA, it's a conference Biogen hosted. Every day a new story. "5 more Biogen conference attendees test positive!" Ultra, SXSW, Coachella all canceled. You don't want that headline to read "Pearl Jam concert." Time may very well prove this to be overkill, but there is a ton of downside right now.

    - Do you trust this fanbase? If someone was recommended to quarantine and they had GA tickets to 3 shows, how many Ten Clubbers would do the right thing? We all shook our heads at the guy who went to the father/daughter dance, but you're trying to tell me a significant portion of fans wouldn't do the exact same thing? Except they'd also be jumping on planes and trains. We all read the threads during tour announcements and ticket draws. You have to take that decision out of their hands.
    The decision was inevitable.  The band would have to be tone deaf to the entire world community to keep the tour going.  They would be making a decision to believe Trump over science.  Wasn't going to happen. 
    Was it inevitable, though? Tool and Billie Eilish both just kicked off arena tours, to name a couple. Cancellations could be forthcoming but they're playing shows now.
    And there was just a story that a guy with Covid was in the pit at a Tool show.  That's a real risk.  I don't know the story about Ellish, but consider the festival situation and how those are being cancelled.  Considering how socially conscious the band is, it feels inevitable.  I also have Jazz Fest tickets, and think that's maybe 50/50 right now.  Fortunately that isn't until the end of April, so still some time. 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,675
    325 people infected in Sweden. 
    Two in intensive care.

    The Public Health Agency raises the level of likelihood of spread to "very High". 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,694
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    My two cents on why I think the band had to make this decision:

    - The situation is still pretty hazy and no one wants to be a headline. Here in MA, it's a conference Biogen hosted. Every day a new story. "5 more Biogen conference attendees test positive!" Ultra, SXSW, Coachella all canceled. You don't want that headline to read "Pearl Jam concert." Time may very well prove this to be overkill, but there is a ton of downside right now.

    - Do you trust this fanbase? If someone was recommended to quarantine and they had GA tickets to 3 shows, how many Ten Clubbers would do the right thing? We all shook our heads at the guy who went to the father/daughter dance, but you're trying to tell me a significant portion of fans wouldn't do the exact same thing? Except they'd also be jumping on planes and trains. We all read the threads during tour announcements and ticket draws. You have to take that decision out of their hands.
    The decision was inevitable.  The band would have to be tone deaf to the entire world community to keep the tour going.  They would be making a decision to believe Trump over science.  Wasn't going to happen. 
    Was it inevitable, though? Tool and Billie Eilish both just kicked off arena tours, to name a couple. Cancellations could be forthcoming but they're playing shows now.
    And there was just a story that a guy with Covid was in the pit at a Tool show.  That's a real risk.  I don't know the story about Ellish, but consider the festival situation and how those are being cancelled.  Considering how socially conscious the band is, it feels inevitable.  I also have Jazz Fest tickets, and think that's maybe 50/50 right now.  Fortunately that isn't until the end of April, so still some time. 
    Don't get me wrong, I think they made the right decision. They're just the first to shut down an arena tour, no?
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Porch temper tantrums are pretty funny. PJ made the right decision, too many unknowns right now. 


  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,476
    thoughts on China being held a little more responsible for this?

    thoughts on the travel ban that was implemented in January? 

    I’m not instigating. Unlike some , I like to hear conversations from both sides. 
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 17,018
    nicknyr15 said:
    thoughts on China being held a little more responsible for this?

    thoughts on the travel ban that was implemented in January? 

    I’m not instigating. Unlike some , I like to hear conversations from both sides. 
    Hard to hold China accountable when they hold all the cards. The U.S. is very dependent on China, especially for medicine. 

    And China has made a threat against the U.S. in their state-run news....


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  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,476
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    thoughts on China being held a little more responsible for this?

    thoughts on the travel ban that was implemented in January? 

    I’m not instigating. Unlike some , I like to hear conversations from both sides. 
    Hard to hold China accountable when they hold all the cards. The U.S. is very dependent on China, especially for medicine. 

    And China has made a threat against the U.S. in their state-run news....


    Damn that is messed up. Thank you for your response. 
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,694
    nicknyr15 said:
    thoughts on China being held a little more responsible for this?

    thoughts on the travel ban that was implemented in January? 

    I’m not instigating. Unlike some , I like to hear conversations from both sides. 
    They should certainly be scrutinized for how they handled it initially. Depends on what you mean by holding them responsible. Like should there be some sort of recourse?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,021
    China is who China is.  The fact that so many of our medical supplies are made there is certainly disconcerting.  This is one of the main reasons I was a big supporter of TPP.  It would have boxed China out of some of their manufacturing contracts with the US.  But of course Obama was for it, so it must be bad. 

    The travel ban was appropriate.  The administration should have been warning senior citizens not to travel at all though.  But the travel ban probably didn't do much either way.  It was coming.  
  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,476
    pjl44 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    thoughts on China being held a little more responsible for this?

    thoughts on the travel ban that was implemented in January? 

    I’m not instigating. Unlike some , I like to hear conversations from both sides. 
    They should certainly be scrutinized for how they handled it initially. Depends on what you mean by holding them responsible. Like should there be some sort of recourse?
    Nothing specific. Maybe some stricter regulations when it come to the way they treat animal consumption? Or environmental issues? I’m not very familiar with their rules etc but everything I’ve ever heard is don’t buy pet treats made in China because they have no regulations. 
  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,476
    mrussel1 said:
    China is who China is.  The fact that so many of our medical supplies are made there is certainly disconcerting.  This is one of the main reasons I was a big supporter of TPP.  It would have boxed China out of some of their manufacturing contracts with the US.  But of course Obama was for it, so it must be bad. 

    The travel ban was appropriate.  The administration should have been warning senior citizens not to travel at all though.  But the travel ban probably didn't do much either way.  It was coming.  
    Interesting. Thank you. 
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,694
    nicknyr15 said:
    pjl44 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    thoughts on China being held a little more responsible for this?

    thoughts on the travel ban that was implemented in January? 

    I’m not instigating. Unlike some , I like to hear conversations from both sides. 
    They should certainly be scrutinized for how they handled it initially. Depends on what you mean by holding them responsible. Like should there be some sort of recourse?
    Nothing specific. Maybe some stricter regulations when it come to the way they treat animal consumption? Or environmental issues? I’m not very familiar with their rules etc but everything I’ve ever heard is don’t buy pet treats made in China because they have no regulations. 
    We don't really confront their Uyghur slave camps or rampant IP theft, so I can't imagine what we'd start to do here
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