The Democratic Presidential Debates

This election is going to be even worse than Trump-Clinton.  Trump-Sanders...a lose lose.

Lerxst1992 said:

cincybearcat said:

This election is going to be even worse than Trump-Clinton.  Trump-Sanders...a lose lose.

Tell it to the SCs of the world.

In reality Bernie has zero health care plan as there's no way in hell his gets passed by congress.

Exactly. That's why this notion that Bernie will turn the country into Soviet Russia is absurd. If elected president, he'd be blocked at every turn by the congress (both Republicans and moderate democrats). But at least he'd return the country to a bit of normalcy following Trump.

I also think it's not out of the realm of possibility that he can beat Trump. If it's down to just the two of them in the general, anything can happen. As was the case in 2016. 2020 will likely be the highest voter turnout ever. And the democrats are pretty good at registering young people to vote. So if they actually backed Sanders to the fullest, it's possible he can win. But they probably won't. They'll cross their arms and pout, and blame people that voted for Sanders in the primary for Trump's re-election. 

ecdanc said:

cincybearcat said:

This election is going to be even worse than Trump-Clinton.  Trump-Sanders...a lose lose.

In 2016, the DNC put forward a right-leaning moderate that got no one excited. At least Sanders has a base. 

Completely agree. People that like him, REALLY like him. And people that are skeptical can maybe see the good in him if he's up against Trump. It might not be a contest between capitalism and socialism. It might be a contest between Trump and Sanders. Who do you like more? The more likeable canidate seems to win most of the time, Obama being a good example. 

Lerxst1992 said:

cincybearcat said:

This election is going to be even worse than Trump-Clinton.  Trump-Sanders...a lose lose.

Tell it to the SCs of the world.

In reality Bernie has zero health care plan as there's no way in hell his gets passed by congress.

Bloom Buddies of the world falling for the narrative of the billionaire sexist-racist white knight  must be worse than SCs.

cincybearcat said:

This election is going to be even worse than Trump-Clinton.  Trump-Sanders...a lose lose.

Absolutely terrible.  Over 300 million people in this country and these could be our two choices.  

ecdanc said:

dignin said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

cincybearcat said:

This election is going to be even worse than Trump-Clinton.  Trump-Sanders...a lose lose.

Tell it to the SCs of the world.

In reality Bernie has zero health care plan as there's no way in hell his gets passed by congress.

Exactly. That's why this notion that Bernie will turn the country into Soviet Russia is absurd. If elected president, he'd be blocked at every turn by the congress (both Republicans and moderate democrats). But at least he'd return the country to a bit of normalcy following Trump.

I also think it's not out of the realm of possibility that he can beat Trump. If it's down to just the two of them in the general, anything can happen. As was the case in 2016. 2020 will likely be the highest voter turnout ever. And the democrats are pretty good at registering young people to vote. So if they actually backed Sanders to the fullest, it's possible he can win. But they probably won't. They'll cross their arms and pout, and blame people that voted for Sanders in the primary for Trump's re-election. 

I agree. Is there a name for the moderate bro's?

A lot of running around with their hair on fire at a potential Sanders nomination. I guess now they know how progressives feel about moderate candidates and their fear that they can't win.

Everyone just needs to calm down and prepare to do everything they can to get whoever is the nominee elected. Unite and stop the whining. 

I have several acquaintances that I refer to as militant moderates. They're the people who rarely have any ideas, but they LOVE to talk about how everyone else's ideas are just too crazy. You can identify the militant moderate because they're always using the words "compromise," "reasonable," "consensus," "progress," and the like. For some people, it's an ethos--no matter the situation (a presidential election, a department meeting, chatting over beers) you can count on them to eye-roll any notion beyond the most milquetoast banality. 

Well sometimes no idea is better than a terrible one.  But I'm sure these radicals would take issue with your declaration that they have no ideas.  They just think yours suck.  

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

ecdanc said:

cincybearcat said:

This election is going to be even worse than Trump-Clinton.  Trump-Sanders...a lose lose.

In 2016, the DNC put forward a right-leaning moderate that got no one excited. At least Sanders has a base. 

Completely agree. People that like him, REALLY like him. And people that are skeptical can maybe see the good in him if he's up against Trump. It might not be a contest between capitalism and socialism. It might be a contest between Trump and Sanders. Who do you like more? The more likeable canidate seems to win most of the time, Obama being a good example. 

Well that's the problem with Sanders, something I was thinking about this morning.  He has one disposition...angry.  That's it.  He smiles once in a while but is generally humorless, and I always feel like he's yelling at me.  I don't know that it plays well in a general.  

That's a good point: he's totally a curmudgeon. I guess why I find him likeable is that I do believe he really has a passion for helping the people that have been left behind. Poor folks, minorities, people without healthcare, etc. All the democrats will claim that (hell, even Trump will "claim" that), but to me, Sanders is the only one that comes off as genuine (and passionate) in that regard.

He'll also bring the fight to Trump. He won't cower down like Hillary did. He won't respond with contrived bullshit like Warren would. He won't fumble and bumble like Bloomberg and Biden. I dunno, I see everything wrong with the possibility of him going up against Trump, but I don't see much "right" in the other Dems, so the guy with fight and passion (and passionate supporters) might be the way to go.

Bloomberg isn't beating Trump. I don't care how much money he has or how many ads he floods the NBA Playoffs with. The dude is totally lame and if Warren can neuter him like that, Trump will eat him alive. Biden has a better chance than Bloomberg against Trump.

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

dignin said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

cincybearcat said:

This election is going to be even worse than Trump-Clinton.  Trump-Sanders...a lose lose.

Tell it to the SCs of the world.

In reality Bernie has zero health care plan as there's no way in hell his gets passed by congress.

Exactly. That's why this notion that Bernie will turn the country into Soviet Russia is absurd. If elected president, he'd be blocked at every turn by the congress (both Republicans and moderate democrats). But at least he'd return the country to a bit of normalcy following Trump.

I also think it's not out of the realm of possibility that he can beat Trump. If it's down to just the two of them in the general, anything can happen. As was the case in 2016. 2020 will likely be the highest voter turnout ever. And the democrats are pretty good at registering young people to vote. So if they actually backed Sanders to the fullest, it's possible he can win. But they probably won't. They'll cross their arms and pout, and blame people that voted for Sanders in the primary for Trump's re-election. 

I agree. Is there a name for the moderate bro's?

A lot of running around with their hair on fire at a potential Sanders nomination. I guess now they know how progressives feel about moderate candidates and their fear that they can't win.

Everyone just needs to calm down and prepare to do everything they can to get whoever is the nominee elected. Unite and stop the whining. 

I have several acquaintances that I refer to as militant moderates. They're the people who rarely have any ideas, but they LOVE to talk about how everyone else's ideas are just too crazy. You can identify the militant moderate because they're always using the words "compromise," "reasonable," "consensus," "progress," and the like. For some people, it's an ethos--no matter the situation (a presidential election, a department meeting, chatting over beers) you can count on them to eye-roll any notion beyond the most milquetoast banality. 

Well sometimes no idea is better than a terrible one.  But I'm sure these radicals would take issue with your declaration that they have no ideas.  They just think yours suck.  

I agree with these thoughts.

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

ecdanc said:

cincybearcat said:

This election is going to be even worse than Trump-Clinton.  Trump-Sanders...a lose lose.

In 2016, the DNC put forward a right-leaning moderate that got no one excited. At least Sanders has a base. 

Completely agree. People that like him, REALLY like him. And people that are skeptical can maybe see the good in him if he's up against Trump. It might not be a contest between capitalism and socialism. It might be a contest between Trump and Sanders. Who do you like more? The more likeable canidate seems to win most of the time, Obama being a good example. 

Well that's the problem with Sanders, something I was thinking about this morning.  He has one disposition...angry.  That's it.  He smiles once in a while but is generally humorless, and I always feel like he's yelling at me.  I don't know that it plays well in a general.  

This narrative once again. Lol. HE DOESN'T SMILE AND SOMETHING ABOUT BERNIE BROS AND EXECUTIONS IN CENTRAL PARK



If you've seen debates and interviews he is not humourless. 

I've been watching him a long time.  I said 'generally' humorless, and he is.  Look at Pete when Warren was launching that idiot attack on four candidates at one, when she declared that his health plan was from consultants.  He took it in stride, laughed and moved forward.  Dude has thick skin and I like it. 

Agree Re:Pete.  Always in control.  People say they want that...but their actions show they don't.  They want a loud-mouthed person blaming someone else for their problems and talking about policies that even their staunches supporters in congress say can't happen.  Sound familiar?

ecdanc said:

dignin said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

cincybearcat said:

This election is going to be even worse than Trump-Clinton.  Trump-Sanders...a lose lose.

Tell it to the SCs of the world.

In reality Bernie has zero health care plan as there's no way in hell his gets passed by congress.

Exactly. That's why this notion that Bernie will turn the country into Soviet Russia is absurd. If elected president, he'd be blocked at every turn by the congress (both Republicans and moderate democrats). But at least he'd return the country to a bit of normalcy following Trump.

I also think it's not out of the realm of possibility that he can beat Trump. If it's down to just the two of them in the general, anything can happen. As was the case in 2016. 2020 will likely be the highest voter turnout ever. And the democrats are pretty good at registering young people to vote. So if they actually backed Sanders to the fullest, it's possible he can win. But they probably won't. They'll cross their arms and pout, and blame people that voted for Sanders in the primary for Trump's re-election. 

I agree. Is there a name for the moderate bro's?

A lot of running around with their hair on fire at a potential Sanders nomination. I guess now they know how progressives feel about moderate candidates and their fear that they can't win.

Everyone just needs to calm down and prepare to do everything they can to get whoever is the nominee elected. Unite and stop the whining. 

I have several acquaintances that I refer to as militant moderates. They're the people who rarely have any ideas, but they LOVE to talk about how everyone else's ideas are just too crazy. You can identify the militant moderate because they're always using the words "compromise," "reasonable," "consensus," "progress," and the like. For some people, it's an ethos--no matter the situation (a presidential election, a department meeting, chatting over beers) you can count on them to eye-roll any notion beyond the most milquetoast banality. 

I'm shocked to learn you label another group of people...shocked I say!