The Democratic Presidential Debates

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

rgambs said:

The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.

These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.

if we don’t have an inspirational voice like Obama or Clinton to win the center we eat each other alive and lose.

hello conservative Supreme Court 2112.

Remember all of the protests against Obama by the Afican-American community because they said he was too upper middle class,  not black enough?  Remember how they complained that he represented all Democrats not just half Kenyan ones?  Remember when a very small sub section of the population felt that he wasn't doing enough for their particular micro-demographic?

Yes, I do. 

mrussel1 said:

what dreams said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

dignin said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Regarding the "improve the plank" comment... Have medicare as an option on the exchanges and also an option to be provided by employers. Expand the rebates to make it affordable for everyone. 

But as I said above if we go too far left we risk a conservative court til 2055 and we have a better chance to live in Neil Peart's opus than seeing any govt assisted plan for all for the majority of this century.

But you're forgetting the argument that if the democrats don't go farther left they won't win. Maybe putting up Biden will guarantee another 4 more years of Trump, 2016 all over again. The street runs both ways.

The fact is most voters vote based on feelings more so than issues. If they have the right feeling about a candidate they will vote for them. Just look at voters second choices, they are all over the map. The same way Bernie Bros can turn around and vote for Trump.

The point is, you may be right and Biden is the right guy for this time or you could be wrong and someone like Bernie is the right guy to beat Trump. Who the fuck knows at this point. Biden personally worries me because he isn't a good candidate. He is old, acts old, and really doesn't motivate anyone. Hasn't looked good on the campaign trail and in the debates. 

Democratic voters definitely need those feeling. GOP voters? All they need to hear is you'll protect their guns and give them their abortion judges and every single one of them are showing up. Even to vote for a rapist. Or who thinks rape is a joke 

Bottom line about hillary, she was a Dukakis level candidate. She had no business being the nominee and rose thru the ranks largely on the merits of what her husband accomplished and being a carpet bagger 

Except she got elected to the Senate and testified before a hostile repub House committee as Secretary of State for 14 and 12 hours respectively, I think, regarding Benghazi and hasn't declared bankruptcy, divorced her husband, sexually assaulted anyone, is a Yale law school grad and released 20 years of her tax returns. She had every business being the nominee as opposed to the current POS in the White House being his party's nominee.

Had she not been first lady, would she have been able to  carpet bag into my home state to become senator, or did being first lady help her out?

Without her name recognition due to the underdog success of her husband, out of nowhere, would she have ever been able to ascend to the top democrat in the entire country? What are the odds of any successful lawyer living in Arkansas  being able to achieve that? 

This assumes Hillary's life began with her husband in Arkansas. It didn't. There is no telling what she would have accomplished had she made different choices. She didn't. Had she made a different choice, I'm absolutely certain she would have had as remarkable a career anywhere, and could indeed have become your senator much sooner than she had under a different name. There is no telling. And I'm not sure why we have to constantly explain away her success. She ran for President. She lost. Why are we still in the tear down Hillary discussion?  Four years ago, we had a candidate who could have beaten Trump had a small percentage of voters in a small handful of precincts in a small number of states decide to vote. That's how Clinton lost. The tear-down Hillary faction is still at it with their misrepresentation of the facts of the 2016 election. I don't understand why this is relevant or even productive as we figure out how to win 2020 -- except to say the nominee better spend every week in Michigan, Ohio, Florida, and Pennsylvania. Which of the candidates currently running is faring any better, minus the punching bag that was aimed at Hillary's face every minute of her public life. Which man would tolerate and survive the scrutiny she has survived? 

Bravo.  Totally agree.  Hillary is an amazing woman who had an amazing career.  Yale law and Nixon prosecution is no joke. She was extremely successful for anyone,  let alone a young woman in the 70s.

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

rgambs said:

The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.

These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.

if we don’t have an inspirational voice like Obama or Clinton to win the center we eat each other alive and lose.

hello conservative Supreme Court 2112.

Remember all of the protests against Obama by the Afican-American community because they said he was too upper middle class,  not black enough?  Remember how they complained that he represented all Democrats not just half Kenyan ones?  Remember when a very small sub section of the population felt that he wasn't doing enough for their particular micro-demographic?

Yes, I do. 

Oh good,  so this will be just as useless.  I guess Pete can expect 97% of the LGBT, etc vote too. 

Are you just generally against protests, then?

Lerxst1992 said:

These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.

dignin said:

cincybearcat said:

rgambs said:

I don't understand why they would be showing up to protest Pete and not every other candidate?  Or is this just the media monstering our nothings.

Cause Bernie is scared of Pete and has unleashed his dogs.

That's actually the opposite of what Bernie has done.

pjl44 said:

Bloomberg doesn't speak as coarsely as Trump and he has the vaunted D after his name, but I'd argue we're dealing with the same core personality concerns:

Authoritarian tendencies
Deference to authoritarian regimes
Racist policies
Sexism