The Democratic Presidential Debates
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Remember when people complained about and protested every little thing about Bernie Sanders?mrussel1 said:
Remember all of the protests against Obama by the Afican-American community because they said he was too upper middle class, not black enough? Remember how they complained that he represented all Democrats not just half Kenyan ones? Remember when a very small sub section of the population felt that he wasn't doing enough for their particular micro-demographic?Lerxst1992 said:rgambs said:The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.
if we don’t have an inspirational voice like Obama or Clinton to win the center we eat each other alive and lose.
hello conservative Supreme Court 2112.
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Yes, I do.mrussel1 said:
Remember all of the protests against Obama by the Afican-American community because they said he was too upper middle class, not black enough? Remember how they complained that he represented all Democrats not just half Kenyan ones? Remember when a very small sub section of the population felt that he wasn't doing enough for their particular micro-demographic?Lerxst1992 said:rgambs said:The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.
if we don’t have an inspirational voice like Obama or Clinton to win the center we eat each other alive and lose.
hello conservative Supreme Court 2112.0 -
Because people who aren't Democrats don't like your candidates?Lerxst1992 said:rgambs said:The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.
if we don’t have an inspirational voice like Obama or Clinton to win the center we eat each other alive and lose.
hello conservative Supreme Court 2112.0 -
You and others are doing the same with the anybody but socialist Bernie and Warren stuff.Lerxst1992 said:rgambs said:The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.
if we don’t have an inspirational voice like Obama or Clinton to win the center we eat each other alive and lose.
hello conservative Supreme Court 2112.
Everyone just needs to cool their jets. Campaign for your preferred candidate and campaign your ass off for whoever the nominee is in the general.0 -
Oh good, so this will be just as useless. I guess Pete can expect 97% of the LGBT, etc vote too.ecdanc said:
Yes, I do.mrussel1 said:
Remember all of the protests against Obama by the Afican-American community because they said he was too upper middle class, not black enough? Remember how they complained that he represented all Democrats not just half Kenyan ones? Remember when a very small sub section of the population felt that he wasn't doing enough for their particular micro-demographic?Lerxst1992 said:rgambs said:The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.
if we don’t have an inspirational voice like Obama or Clinton to win the center we eat each other alive and lose.
hello conservative Supreme Court 2112.0 -
I think Bloomberg is closer to Trump than he is to Bernie. I can totally understand how a Bernie supporter wouldn't want to cast a ballot for Bloomberg (as one example).dignin said:
You and others are doing the same with the anybody but socialist Bernie and Warren stuff.Lerxst1992 said:rgambs said:The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.
if we don’t have an inspirational voice like Obama or Clinton to win the center we eat each other alive and lose.
hello conservative Supreme Court 2112.
Everyone just needs to cool their jets. Campaign for your preferred candidate and campaign your ass off for whoever the nominee is in the general.0 -
Are you just generally against protests, then?mrussel1 said:
Oh good, so this will be just as useless. I guess Pete can expect 97% of the LGBT, etc vote too.ecdanc said:
Yes, I do.mrussel1 said:
Remember all of the protests against Obama by the Afican-American community because they said he was too upper middle class, not black enough? Remember how they complained that he represented all Democrats not just half Kenyan ones? Remember when a very small sub section of the population felt that he wasn't doing enough for their particular micro-demographic?Lerxst1992 said:rgambs said:The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.
if we don’t have an inspirational voice like Obama or Clinton to win the center we eat each other alive and lose.
hello conservative Supreme Court 2112.0 -
I don't. He's shit, but he's not Trump shit. I shouldn't have to explain why, just go read through the Trump thread.pjl44 said:
I think Bloomberg is closer to Trump than he is to Bernie. I can totally understand how a Bernie supporter wouldn't want to cast a ballot for Bloomberg (as one example).dignin said:
You and others are doing the same with the anybody but socialist Bernie and Warren stuff.Lerxst1992 said:rgambs said:The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.
if we don’t have an inspirational voice like Obama or Clinton to win the center we eat each other alive and lose.
hello conservative Supreme Court 2112.
Everyone just needs to cool their jets. Campaign for your preferred candidate and campaign your ass off for whoever the nominee is in the general.
If for some reason he's as bad as Trump, throw his ass out in 4 years. Don't reward Trump with another 4. Its like people have learned nothing from 2016.0 -
No kidding. Like her or not, she accomplished amazing things in her life.mrussel1 said:
Bravo. Totally agree. Hillary is an amazing woman who had an amazing career. Yale law and Nixon prosecution is no joke. She was extremely successful for anyone, let alone a young woman in the 70s.what dreams said:
This assumes Hillary's life began with her husband in Arkansas. It didn't. There is no telling what she would have accomplished had she made different choices. She didn't. Had she made a different choice, I'm absolutely certain she would have had as remarkable a career anywhere, and could indeed have become your senator much sooner than she had under a different name. There is no telling. And I'm not sure why we have to constantly explain away her success. She ran for President. She lost. Why are we still in the tear down Hillary discussion? Four years ago, we had a candidate who could have beaten Trump had a small percentage of voters in a small handful of precincts in a small number of states decide to vote. That's how Clinton lost. The tear-down Hillary faction is still at it with their misrepresentation of the facts of the 2016 election. I don't understand why this is relevant or even productive as we figure out how to win 2020 -- except to say the nominee better spend every week in Michigan, Ohio, Florida, and Pennsylvania. Which of the candidates currently running is faring any better, minus the punching bag that was aimed at Hillary's face every minute of her public life. Which man would tolerate and survive the scrutiny she has survived?Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Except she got elected to the Senate and testified before a hostile repub House committee as Secretary of State for 14 and 12 hours respectively, I think, regarding Benghazi and hasn't declared bankruptcy, divorced her husband, sexually assaulted anyone, is a Yale law school grad and released 20 years of her tax returns. She had every business being the nominee as opposed to the current POS in the White House being his party's nominee.Lerxst1992 said:dignin said:
But you're forgetting the argument that if the democrats don't go farther left they won't win. Maybe putting up Biden will guarantee another 4 more years of Trump, 2016 all over again. The street runs both ways.Lerxst1992 said:Regarding the "improve the plank" comment... Have medicare as an option on the exchanges and also an option to be provided by employers. Expand the rebates to make it affordable for everyone.
But as I said above if we go too far left we risk a conservative court til 2055 and we have a better chance to live in Neil Peart's opus than seeing any govt assisted plan for all for the majority of this century.
The fact is most voters vote based on feelings more so than issues. If they have the right feeling about a candidate they will vote for them. Just look at voters second choices, they are all over the map. The same way Bernie Bros can turn around and vote for Trump.
The point is, you may be right and Biden is the right guy for this time or you could be wrong and someone like Bernie is the right guy to beat Trump. Who the fuck knows at this point. Biden personally worries me because he isn't a good candidate. He is old, acts old, and really doesn't motivate anyone. Hasn't looked good on the campaign trail and in the debates.
Democratic voters definitely need those feeling. GOP voters? All they need to hear is you'll protect their guns and give them their abortion judges and every single one of them are showing up. Even to vote for a rapist. Or who thinks rape is a joke
Bottom line about hillary, she was a Dukakis level candidate. She had no business being the nominee and rose thru the ranks largely on the merits of what her husband accomplished and being a carpet bagger
Had she not been first lady, would she have been able to carpet bag into my home state to become senator, or did being first lady help her out?
Without her name recognition due to the underdog success of her husband, out of nowhere, would she have ever been able to ascend to the top democrat in the entire country? What are the odds of any successful lawyer living in Arkansas being able to achieve that?hippiemom = goodness0 -
Cause Bernie is scared of Pete and has unleashed his dogs.rgambs said:I don't understand why they would be showing up to protest Pete and not every other candidate? Or is this just the media monstering our nothings.hippiemom = goodness0 -
Definitely. I think the First Amendment should be erased from the books and the 2A move up a slot and occupy both places. This is because I’m a Jacobin at heart. I’m impressed how you extracted that out of my previous post.ecdanc said:
Are you just generally against protests, then?mrussel1 said:
Oh good, so this will be just as useless. I guess Pete can expect 97% of the LGBT, etc vote too.ecdanc said:
Yes, I do.mrussel1 said:
Remember all of the protests against Obama by the Afican-American community because they said he was too upper middle class, not black enough? Remember how they complained that he represented all Democrats not just half Kenyan ones? Remember when a very small sub section of the population felt that he wasn't doing enough for their particular micro-demographic?Lerxst1992 said:rgambs said:The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.
if we don’t have an inspirational voice like Obama or Clinton to win the center we eat each other alive and lose.
hello conservative Supreme Court 2112.0 -
I agree with your last sentence but suspect we're not talking about the same peopledignin said:
I don't. He's shit, but he's not Trump shit. I shouldn't have to explain why, just go read through the Trump thread.pjl44 said:
I think Bloomberg is closer to Trump than he is to Bernie. I can totally understand how a Bernie supporter wouldn't want to cast a ballot for Bloomberg (as one example).dignin said:
You and others are doing the same with the anybody but socialist Bernie and Warren stuff.Lerxst1992 said:rgambs said:The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.
if we don’t have an inspirational voice like Obama or Clinton to win the center we eat each other alive and lose.
hello conservative Supreme Court 2112.
Everyone just needs to cool their jets. Campaign for your preferred candidate and campaign your ass off for whoever the nominee is in the general.
If for some reason he's as bad as Trump, throw his ass out in 4 years. Don't reward Trump with another 4. Its like people have learned nothing from 2016.0 -
I vote for the swedish Left Party, thank you very much.Lerxst1992 said:These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
That's actually the opposite of what Bernie has done.cincybearcat said:
Cause Bernie is scared of Pete and has unleashed his dogs.rgambs said:I don't understand why they would be showing up to protest Pete and not every other candidate? Or is this just the media monstering our nothings.0 -
Her role in the Honduran coup was a victory for women everywhere.cincybearcat said:
No kidding. Like her or not, she accomplished amazing things in her life.mrussel1 said:
Bravo. Totally agree. Hillary is an amazing woman who had an amazing career. Yale law and Nixon prosecution is no joke. She was extremely successful for anyone, let alone a young woman in the 70s.what dreams said:
This assumes Hillary's life began with her husband in Arkansas. It didn't. There is no telling what she would have accomplished had she made different choices. She didn't. Had she made a different choice, I'm absolutely certain she would have had as remarkable a career anywhere, and could indeed have become your senator much sooner than she had under a different name. There is no telling. And I'm not sure why we have to constantly explain away her success. She ran for President. She lost. Why are we still in the tear down Hillary discussion? Four years ago, we had a candidate who could have beaten Trump had a small percentage of voters in a small handful of precincts in a small number of states decide to vote. That's how Clinton lost. The tear-down Hillary faction is still at it with their misrepresentation of the facts of the 2016 election. I don't understand why this is relevant or even productive as we figure out how to win 2020 -- except to say the nominee better spend every week in Michigan, Ohio, Florida, and Pennsylvania. Which of the candidates currently running is faring any better, minus the punching bag that was aimed at Hillary's face every minute of her public life. Which man would tolerate and survive the scrutiny she has survived?Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Except she got elected to the Senate and testified before a hostile repub House committee as Secretary of State for 14 and 12 hours respectively, I think, regarding Benghazi and hasn't declared bankruptcy, divorced her husband, sexually assaulted anyone, is a Yale law school grad and released 20 years of her tax returns. She had every business being the nominee as opposed to the current POS in the White House being his party's nominee.Lerxst1992 said:dignin said:
But you're forgetting the argument that if the democrats don't go farther left they won't win. Maybe putting up Biden will guarantee another 4 more years of Trump, 2016 all over again. The street runs both ways.Lerxst1992 said:Regarding the "improve the plank" comment... Have medicare as an option on the exchanges and also an option to be provided by employers. Expand the rebates to make it affordable for everyone.
But as I said above if we go too far left we risk a conservative court til 2055 and we have a better chance to live in Neil Peart's opus than seeing any govt assisted plan for all for the majority of this century.
The fact is most voters vote based on feelings more so than issues. If they have the right feeling about a candidate they will vote for them. Just look at voters second choices, they are all over the map. The same way Bernie Bros can turn around and vote for Trump.
The point is, you may be right and Biden is the right guy for this time or you could be wrong and someone like Bernie is the right guy to beat Trump. Who the fuck knows at this point. Biden personally worries me because he isn't a good candidate. He is old, acts old, and really doesn't motivate anyone. Hasn't looked good on the campaign trail and in the debates.
Democratic voters definitely need those feeling. GOP voters? All they need to hear is you'll protect their guns and give them their abortion judges and every single one of them are showing up. Even to vote for a rapist. Or who thinks rape is a joke
Bottom line about hillary, she was a Dukakis level candidate. She had no business being the nominee and rose thru the ranks largely on the merits of what her husband accomplished and being a carpet bagger
Had she not been first lady, would she have been able to carpet bag into my home state to become senator, or did being first lady help her out?
Without her name recognition due to the underdog success of her husband, out of nowhere, would she have ever been able to ascend to the top democrat in the entire country? What are the odds of any successful lawyer living in Arkansas being able to achieve that?0 -
So, which protests are ok and which aren't?mrussel1 said:
Definitely. I think the First Amendment should be erased from the books and the 2A move up a slot and occupy both places. This is because I’m a Jacobin at heart. I’m impressed how you extracted that out of my previous post.ecdanc said:
Are you just generally against protests, then?mrussel1 said:
Oh good, so this will be just as useless. I guess Pete can expect 97% of the LGBT, etc vote too.ecdanc said:
Yes, I do.mrussel1 said:
Remember all of the protests against Obama by the Afican-American community because they said he was too upper middle class, not black enough? Remember how they complained that he represented all Democrats not just half Kenyan ones? Remember when a very small sub section of the population felt that he wasn't doing enough for their particular micro-demographic?Lerxst1992 said:rgambs said:The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.
if we don’t have an inspirational voice like Obama or Clinton to win the center we eat each other alive and lose.
hello conservative Supreme Court 2112.0 -
Uh sure. I believe him.dignin said:
That's actually the opposite of what Bernie has done.cincybearcat said:
Cause Bernie is scared of Pete and has unleashed his dogs.rgambs said:I don't understand why they would be showing up to protest Pete and not every other candidate? Or is this just the media monstering our nothings.hippiemom = goodness0 -
Bloomberg doesn't speak as coarsely as Trump and he has the vaunted D after his name, but I'd argue we're dealing with the same core personality concerns:
Authoritarian tendencies
Deference to authoritarian regimes
Racist policies
Sexism0 -
Yes. Every video that is being released, every audio recording, every article shows a vile, disgusting person.pjl44 said:Bloomberg doesn't speak as coarsely as Trump and he has the vaunted D after his name, but I'd argue we're dealing with the same core personality concerns:
Authoritarian tendencies
Deference to authoritarian regimes
Racist policies
Sexism"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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