The Democratic Presidential Debates
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Halifax2TheMax said:dignin said:Lerxst1992 said:Regarding the "improve the plank" comment... Have medicare as an option on the exchanges and also an option to be provided by employers. Expand the rebates to make it affordable for everyone.
But as I said above if we go too far left we risk a conservative court til 2055 and we have a better chance to live in Neil Peart's opus than seeing any govt assisted plan for all for the majority of this century.
The fact is most voters vote based on feelings more so than issues. If they have the right feeling about a candidate they will vote for them. Just look at voters second choices, they are all over the map. The same way Bernie Bros can turn around and vote for Trump.
The point is, you may be right and Biden is the right guy for this time or you could be wrong and someone like Bernie is the right guy to beat Trump. Who the fuck knows at this point. Biden personally worries me because he isn't a good candidate. He is old, acts old, and really doesn't motivate anyone. Hasn't looked good on the campaign trail and in the debates.0 -
Lerxst1992 said:dignin said:Lerxst1992 said:Regarding the "improve the plank" comment... Have medicare as an option on the exchanges and also an option to be provided by employers. Expand the rebates to make it affordable for everyone.
But as I said above if we go too far left we risk a conservative court til 2055 and we have a better chance to live in Neil Peart's opus than seeing any govt assisted plan for all for the majority of this century.
The fact is most voters vote based on feelings more so than issues. If they have the right feeling about a candidate they will vote for them. Just look at voters second choices, they are all over the map. The same way Bernie Bros can turn around and vote for Trump.
The point is, you may be right and Biden is the right guy for this time or you could be wrong and someone like Bernie is the right guy to beat Trump. Who the fuck knows at this point. Biden personally worries me because he isn't a good candidate. He is old, acts old, and really doesn't motivate anyone. Hasn't looked good on the campaign trail and in the debates.
Democratic voters definitely need those feeling. GOP voters? All they need to hear is you'll protect their guns and give them their abortion judges and every single one of them are showing up. Even to vote for a rapist. Or who thinks rape is a joke
Bottom line about hillary, she was a Dukakis level candidate. She had no business being the nominee and rose thru the ranks largely on the merits of what her husband accomplished and being a carpet bagger
On Hillary, I don't think she was that bad. I think she's smarter than her husband, just not as gifted a politician.0 -
Lerxst1992 said:dignin said:Lerxst1992 said:Regarding the "improve the plank" comment... Have medicare as an option on the exchanges and also an option to be provided by employers. Expand the rebates to make it affordable for everyone.
But as I said above if we go too far left we risk a conservative court til 2055 and we have a better chance to live in Neil Peart's opus than seeing any govt assisted plan for all for the majority of this century.
The fact is most voters vote based on feelings more so than issues. If they have the right feeling about a candidate they will vote for them. Just look at voters second choices, they are all over the map. The same way Bernie Bros can turn around and vote for Trump.
The point is, you may be right and Biden is the right guy for this time or you could be wrong and someone like Bernie is the right guy to beat Trump. Who the fuck knows at this point. Biden personally worries me because he isn't a good candidate. He is old, acts old, and really doesn't motivate anyone. Hasn't looked good on the campaign trail and in the debates.
Democratic voters definitely need those feeling. GOP voters? All they need to hear is you'll protect their guns and give them their abortion judges and every single one of them are showing up. Even to vote for a rapist. Or who thinks rape is a joke
Bottom line about hillary, she was a Dukakis level candidate. She had no business being the nominee and rose thru the ranks largely on the merits of what her husband accomplished and being a carpet bagger
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OnWis97 said:brianlux said:OnWis97 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:F Me In The Brain said:IMO Bernie loses the general election....but I fear anyone will to GW Trump
I just don't see anyone from this motley crew winning. Bernie is going to lose the moderate votes because "socialism." And everyone else fails the purity tests (in some cases more than just that).- Warren: Fauxcahontas
- Bloomberg: 64 sexual harassment claims and "stop and frisk"
- Mayor Pete: Police department
- Amy: Verbal abuse of her staff. She's pretty mean...and she's also being blamed for a life sentence a 16-year-old innocent kid got (but I haven't really looked into it)
- Biden: Apparently a history of lying about participating in the civil rights movement?
- All non-Bernie Candidates: The DNC clearly fixed it for them.
Here's the thing though for me- take all of these liabilities and add them up and pretend they are all negative attributes of one single candidate. I would still vote for that person over Trump. Why are we so concerned about these attributes when compared to Trump? I think we need to stop focusing on the negative and look at the positive. Any one of these candidates are better than Trump. Let's get the focus on that!
Side note: for a long time, I read your name as brainlux. Recognizing it as "brian" makes it seem so different.Well said OnWis! It is so critical that Dems and all people of good sensibilities come together to support who ever comes out on top in the Democratic Party.No I don't have a dog but you could vote for Annie if she ran:"brainlux", LOL. Years ago when I was Shipping and Receiving Manager and Merchandise Buyer for a College Bookstore I had some business cards printed. The first 50 of the batch were misprinted as "Brain Lux". They let me keep the misprints. If the said Bird Brain Lux I'd have kept them just the same."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
cincybearcat said:Spiritual_Chaos said:Quitcha bitching Bernie and Bros.
"Bernie Sanders is a phenomenon. He doesn't get any attention, people don't talk about him. He just continuing to rack up these big numbers and big margins. And he's doing stuff that we are not talking about enough -- he's appealing to young people, and people of color increasingly, and women and the beer-track voters that people talk about for Biden, they're showing up for Bernie Sanders. He's got an army of unbelievable donors, if anybody else had all that we would be saying - this guy is our guy. But for whatever reason, we continue to talk about everybody but Bernie Sanders."
- Van Jones, CNN
Once again:https://youtu.be/3ZhkKATtqtU
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Spiritual_Chaos said:cincybearcat said:Spiritual_Chaos said:Quitcha bitching Bernie and Bros.
https://youtu.be/3ZhkKATtqtU
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Halifax2TheMax said:Lerxst1992 said:dignin said:Lerxst1992 said:Regarding the "improve the plank" comment... Have medicare as an option on the exchanges and also an option to be provided by employers. Expand the rebates to make it affordable for everyone.
But as I said above if we go too far left we risk a conservative court til 2055 and we have a better chance to live in Neil Peart's opus than seeing any govt assisted plan for all for the majority of this century.
The fact is most voters vote based on feelings more so than issues. If they have the right feeling about a candidate they will vote for them. Just look at voters second choices, they are all over the map. The same way Bernie Bros can turn around and vote for Trump.
The point is, you may be right and Biden is the right guy for this time or you could be wrong and someone like Bernie is the right guy to beat Trump. Who the fuck knows at this point. Biden personally worries me because he isn't a good candidate. He is old, acts old, and really doesn't motivate anyone. Hasn't looked good on the campaign trail and in the debates.
Democratic voters definitely need those feeling. GOP voters? All they need to hear is you'll protect their guns and give them their abortion judges and every single one of them are showing up. Even to vote for a rapist. Or who thinks rape is a joke
Bottom line about hillary, she was a Dukakis level candidate. She had no business being the nominee and rose thru the ranks largely on the merits of what her husband accomplished and being a carpet bagger
Had she not been first lady, would she have been able to carpet bag into my home state to become senator, or did being first lady help her out?
Without her name recognition due to the underdog success of her husband, out of nowhere, would she have ever been able to ascend to the top democrat in the entire country? What are the odds of any successful lawyer living in Arkansas being able to achieve that?0 -
A very interesting thought from James Howard Kunstler:"What if the Corona virus turns out to be a genuine pandemic with legs, not some punk-ass, flash-in-the-pan bug like SARS… and infects hundreds of millions around the world…? And what if it happens to go logarithmic in the USA, as in China now…? And what if takes a few months, or half a year, to do that…? And what if Americans will not get on airplanes when that happens…? Or gather together in large numbers…? Or if government imposes quarantines …? Will the parties hold their nominating conventions? Might the November election have to be postponed?"There's more at the link as well.. Worth reading (for a change).
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Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Lerxst1992 said:dignin said:Lerxst1992 said:Regarding the "improve the plank" comment... Have medicare as an option on the exchanges and also an option to be provided by employers. Expand the rebates to make it affordable for everyone.
But as I said above if we go too far left we risk a conservative court til 2055 and we have a better chance to live in Neil Peart's opus than seeing any govt assisted plan for all for the majority of this century.
The fact is most voters vote based on feelings more so than issues. If they have the right feeling about a candidate they will vote for them. Just look at voters second choices, they are all over the map. The same way Bernie Bros can turn around and vote for Trump.
The point is, you may be right and Biden is the right guy for this time or you could be wrong and someone like Bernie is the right guy to beat Trump. Who the fuck knows at this point. Biden personally worries me because he isn't a good candidate. He is old, acts old, and really doesn't motivate anyone. Hasn't looked good on the campaign trail and in the debates.
Democratic voters definitely need those feeling. GOP voters? All they need to hear is you'll protect their guns and give them their abortion judges and every single one of them are showing up. Even to vote for a rapist. Or who thinks rape is a joke
Bottom line about hillary, she was a Dukakis level candidate. She had no business being the nominee and rose thru the ranks largely on the merits of what her husband accomplished and being a carpet bagger
Had she not been first lady, would she have been able to carpet bag into my home state to become senator, or did being first lady help her out?
Without her name recognition due to the underdog success of her husband, out of nowhere, would she have ever been able to ascend to the top democrat in the entire country? What are the odds of any successful lawyer living in Arkansas being able to achieve that?Post edited by what dreams on0 -
what dreams said:Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Lerxst1992 said:dignin said:Lerxst1992 said:Regarding the "improve the plank" comment... Have medicare as an option on the exchanges and also an option to be provided by employers. Expand the rebates to make it affordable for everyone.
But as I said above if we go too far left we risk a conservative court til 2055 and we have a better chance to live in Neil Peart's opus than seeing any govt assisted plan for all for the majority of this century.
The fact is most voters vote based on feelings more so than issues. If they have the right feeling about a candidate they will vote for them. Just look at voters second choices, they are all over the map. The same way Bernie Bros can turn around and vote for Trump.
The point is, you may be right and Biden is the right guy for this time or you could be wrong and someone like Bernie is the right guy to beat Trump. Who the fuck knows at this point. Biden personally worries me because he isn't a good candidate. He is old, acts old, and really doesn't motivate anyone. Hasn't looked good on the campaign trail and in the debates.
Democratic voters definitely need those feeling. GOP voters? All they need to hear is you'll protect their guns and give them their abortion judges and every single one of them are showing up. Even to vote for a rapist. Or who thinks rape is a joke
Bottom line about hillary, she was a Dukakis level candidate. She had no business being the nominee and rose thru the ranks largely on the merits of what her husband accomplished and being a carpet bagger
Had she not been first lady, would she have been able to carpet bag into my home state to become senator, or did being first lady help her out?
Without her name recognition due to the underdog success of her husband, out of nowhere, would she have ever been able to ascend to the top democrat in the entire country? What are the odds of any successful lawyer living in Arkansas being able to achieve that?0 -
mrussel1 said:what dreams said:Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Lerxst1992 said:dignin said:Lerxst1992 said:Regarding the "improve the plank" comment... Have medicare as an option on the exchanges and also an option to be provided by employers. Expand the rebates to make it affordable for everyone.
But as I said above if we go too far left we risk a conservative court til 2055 and we have a better chance to live in Neil Peart's opus than seeing any govt assisted plan for all for the majority of this century.
The fact is most voters vote based on feelings more so than issues. If they have the right feeling about a candidate they will vote for them. Just look at voters second choices, they are all over the map. The same way Bernie Bros can turn around and vote for Trump.
The point is, you may be right and Biden is the right guy for this time or you could be wrong and someone like Bernie is the right guy to beat Trump. Who the fuck knows at this point. Biden personally worries me because he isn't a good candidate. He is old, acts old, and really doesn't motivate anyone. Hasn't looked good on the campaign trail and in the debates.
Democratic voters definitely need those feeling. GOP voters? All they need to hear is you'll protect their guns and give them their abortion judges and every single one of them are showing up. Even to vote for a rapist. Or who thinks rape is a joke
Bottom line about hillary, she was a Dukakis level candidate. She had no business being the nominee and rose thru the ranks largely on the merits of what her husband accomplished and being a carpet bagger
Had she not been first lady, would she have been able to carpet bag into my home state to become senator, or did being first lady help her out?
Without her name recognition due to the underdog success of her husband, out of nowhere, would she have ever been able to ascend to the top democrat in the entire country? What are the odds of any successful lawyer living in Arkansas being able to achieve that?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Ledbetterman10 said:
Slight resemblance. I doubt Pete would charge as much for tickets though.Be Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0 -
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
I don't understand why they would be showing up to protest Pete and not every other candidate? Or is this just the media monstering our nothings.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0
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Bernie Sanders says U.S. is already a “socialist society” under Trump
https://youtu.be/sE8DDsfezVo
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rgambs said:The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.
if we don’t have an inspirational voice like Obama or Clinton to win the center we eat each other alive and lose.
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Lerxst1992 said:rgambs said:The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.
if we don’t have an inspirational voice like Obama or Clinton to win the center we eat each other alive and lose.
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Lerxst1992 said:rgambs said:The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.
if we don’t have an inspirational voice like Obama or Clinton to win the center we eat each other alive and lose.
hello conservative Supreme Court 2112.0
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