The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,465
    edited February 2020
    pjl44 said:
    I'm not a Warren fan, but I've gotta give her credit here. A good line is a good line....


    She's quick. She's has had some good zingers.

    You will be the oldest elected president
    - I will also be the youngest elected female president.

    (paraphrasing)

    was good too.
    You will be shocked to learn she nicked that line from Hillary...

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/hillary-clinton-youngest-woman-president-31746044
    Well, no vote for Liz then when they get to my state.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Feels to me like Biden has mentioned the nominees chances to get a Dem Senate, and Bernie hurting those chances 5-6 times the last days. And never before. Am I wrong?

    Or is this the latest tactic given to Biden from his people in the "Biden is the electable choice, please buy that" strategy?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,825
    Does anyone else feel like Biden gets a free pass with his outbursts? He fat shamed someone about a month ago for asking a question he didn’t like and the other day when asked why he didn’t do better in the first results he called the girl a dog faced pony soldier. 
    I haven’t seen anyone upset about it (although I’m sure there have been) I just see news anchors laughing it off and making jokes about it.
  • mrussel1 said:
    You need to check your racist language.  
    mrussel1 said:
    No I'm referring to you, in 2019, using language that we now know has racial undertones.   Be better than that man.  I believe in you.  
    Listen to your favorite candidate saying "thug" in 2020. Language that you know has racial undertones. Should he be better, man. Do you believe in him?

    https://youtu.be/QhXqaIAM7FQ
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mace1229 said:
    Does anyone else feel like Biden gets a free pass with his outbursts? He fat shamed someone about a month ago for asking a question he didn’t like and the other day when asked why he didn’t do better in the first results he called the girl a dog faced pony soldier. 
    I haven’t seen anyone upset about it (although I’m sure there have been) I just see news anchors laughing it off and making jokes about it.

    I don't give it a pass. That comment totally baffles me. He claims it's a quote from a movie, but if so........ FFS, chose a better quote. Unless we believe now that you can win votes by insulting the people who might vote for you.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,370
    benjs said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Bernie should quit whining about Iowa and move on already. Really Bernie, you can’t win coming in second in Iowa? 
    Timestamp on when he "whined" about Iowa the most recent?


    https://apple.news/AizHAnpitRHyONtTeS2qU9Q
    Ain't got a subscription. 

    But whatevz. He gets questions about it. He and Petes agrees the popular vote is what counts, so Bernie won - jippie. Pete weasel-pushing the narrative of his win was "smart" but backbone-less. Bernie countered it by him saying how he won for real. just like Biden countered when Pete attacked.
    Weasel pushing?  I'd argue the opposite.  Bernie declaring "decisive" victory was much closer to weasely... considering as of this moment, Pete is the winner and has the most SDE's.  Iowa is a caucus and that's how delegates work.  You don't get to declare victory because you won the popular, when that's not how the process is set up.  Just ask Hillary.  
    If you were an honest man, you would say they both were the winners getting the same delegates. That is what it was all about?

    And I don't need to ask "Hillary" - I CAN JUST ASK PETE:

    "At risk of of sounding a little simplistic, one thing I believe is that in an american presidential election, the person who gets the most votes ought to be the person who wins"

    The "Pete standard" as Jake Tapper calls it. And even Pete can't spin it:

    https://youtu.be/KpKJJ5lbOS8

    (and now you maybe will say  - but that is the presidential election, he didn't say ioooowaaaaaa - he's free on a technicality.

    And we all know who famously was let free on a technicality) 


    Is this a whine about the electoral college vs. popular vote? If so, I'd hope that a senator was well aware about the rules before starting to play the game and complaining about them. Curiously, and maybe you know better, but after a quick search I can only find record of Sanders calling for abolishing the electoral college as early as July 2019. 

    On the Pete thing, I agree with you fully. He took the risk of going on the record about the importance of the popular vote, then deflected when he lost that. It makes him seem more like a typical Washington-type who will say what needs to be said, and I hope that was the last time he goofs like that. He's best when he doubles down on his integrity, instead of this crap.
    heard not one fucking word in 16.

    Build your own party you carpetbagging piece of shit dirtball.

    scumbag like trump.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    edited February 2020
    mrussel1 said:
    Bernie should quit whining about Iowa and move on already. Really Bernie, you can’t win coming in second in Iowa? 
    Timestamp on when he "whined" about Iowa the most recent?


    https://apple.news/AizHAnpitRHyONtTeS2qU9Q
    Ain't got a subscription. 

    But whatevz. He gets questions about it. He and Petes agrees the popular vote is what counts, so Bernie won - jippie. Pete weasel-pushing the narrative of his win was "smart" but backbone-less. Bernie countered it by him saying how he won for real. just like Biden countered when Pete attacked.
    Weasel pushing?  I'd argue the opposite.  Bernie declaring "decisive" victory was much closer to weasely... considering as of this moment, Pete is the winner and has the most SDE's.  Iowa is a caucus and that's how delegates work.  You don't get to declare victory because you won the popular, when that's not how the process is set up.  Just ask Hillary.  
    If you were an honest man, you would say they both were the winners getting the same delegates. That is what it was all about?

    And I don't need to ask "Hillary" - I CAN JUST ASK PETE:

    "At risk of of sounding a little simplistic, one thing I believe is that in an american presidential election, the person who gets the most votes ought to be the person who wins"

    The "Pete standard" as Jake Tapper calls it. And even Pete can't spin it:

    https://youtu.be/KpKJJ5lbOS8

    (and now you maybe will say  - but that is the presidential election, he didn't say ioooowaaaaaa - he's free on a technicality.

    And we all know who famously was let free on a technicality) 


    They didn't get the same delegate count, so why would anyone say that?  It's 13-12 currently.  Now that doesn't mean re-canvassing won't flip that, but as of now, it's not a tie.  
    And why are you conflating what Pete thinks the American electoral system should be with what the caucus system actually is in Iowa at this moment?  What does one thing have to do with the other?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    mrussel1 said:
    You need to check your racist language.  
    mrussel1 said:
    No I'm referring to you, in 2019, using language that we now know has racial undertones.   Be better than that man.  I believe in you.  
    Listen to your favorite candidate saying "thug" in 2020. Language that you know has racial undertones. Should he be better, man. Do you believe in him?

    https://youtu.be/QhXqaIAM7FQ
    Yes he should be smarter and better than that, assuming he said what you're saying (which is an assumption).  And so should you.  But I don't watch your clips.  
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,993
    edited February 2020
    mace1229 said:
    Does anyone else feel like Biden gets a free pass with his outbursts? He fat shamed someone about a month ago for asking a question he didn’t like and the other day when asked why he didn’t do better in the first results he called the girl a dog faced pony soldier. 
    I haven’t seen anyone upset about it (although I’m sure there have been) I just see news anchors laughing it off and making jokes about it.
    Hannity talked about it last night. And I know the stigma that comes with posting something from Fox News (especially Hannity) around here. But fuck it. When he's defending Trump, he's wrong. But when he's calling out Biden, for me, a lot of the time he's right. Biden's making a fool of himself with some of this shit and to call someone a "dog-faced pony solider" isn't just insulting to the person, he sounded like some relic from the late-1800's or something. Go to the 2:53 mark of the video. 

    https://youtu.be/Bp-cD_1Ripk?t=167

    Another thing that you won't see covered on the left-leaning networks is that some maniac tried to run over a bunch of republican volunteers in Flordia yesterday as they tried to register people to vote. Drove right into their tent and barely missed running over some elderly volunteers...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPn3lyzkL7A


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  • mickeyrat
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  • mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Bernie should quit whining about Iowa and move on already. Really Bernie, you can’t win coming in second in Iowa? 
    Timestamp on when he "whined" about Iowa the most recent?


    https://apple.news/AizHAnpitRHyONtTeS2qU9Q
    Ain't got a subscription. 

    But whatevz. He gets questions about it. He and Petes agrees the popular vote is what counts, so Bernie won - jippie. Pete weasel-pushing the narrative of his win was "smart" but backbone-less. Bernie countered it by him saying how he won for real. just like Biden countered when Pete attacked.
    Weasel pushing?  I'd argue the opposite.  Bernie declaring "decisive" victory was much closer to weasely... considering as of this moment, Pete is the winner and has the most SDE's.  Iowa is a caucus and that's how delegates work.  You don't get to declare victory because you won the popular, when that's not how the process is set up.  Just ask Hillary.  
    If you were an honest man, you would say they both were the winners getting the same delegates. That is what it was all about?

    And I don't need to ask "Hillary" - I CAN JUST ASK PETE:

    "At risk of of sounding a little simplistic, one thing I believe is that in an american presidential election, the person who gets the most votes ought to be the person who wins"

    The "Pete standard" as Jake Tapper calls it. And even Pete can't spin it:

    https://youtu.be/KpKJJ5lbOS8

    (and now you maybe will say  - but that is the presidential election, he didn't say ioooowaaaaaa - he's free on a technicality.

    And we all know who famously was let free on a technicality) 


    They didn't get the same delegate count, so why would anyone say that?  It's 13-12 currently.  Now that doesn't mean re-canvassing won't flip that, but as of now, it's not a tie.  
    What was it when he declared victory and had his team call up every news source in america to make sure that story spread?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,370
    mace1229 said:
    Does anyone else feel like Biden gets a free pass with his outbursts? He fat shamed someone about a month ago for asking a question he didn’t like and the other day when asked why he didn’t do better in the first results he called the girl a dog faced pony soldier. 
    I haven’t seen anyone upset about it (although I’m sure there have been) I just see news anchors laughing it off and making jokes about it.
    Hannity talked about it last night. And I know the stigma that comes with posting something from Fox News (especially Hannity) around here. But fuck it. When he's defending Trump, he's wrong. But when he's calling out Biden, for me, a lot of the time he's right. Biden's making a fool of himself with some of this shit and to call someone a "dog-faced pony solider" isn't just insulting to the person, he sounded like some relic from the late-1800's or something. Go to the 2:53 mark of the video. 

    https://youtu.be/Bp-cD_1Ripk?t=167

    Another thing that you won't see covered on the left-leaning networks is that some maniac tried to run over a bunch of republican volunteers in Flordia yesterday as they tried to register people to vote. Drove right into their tent and barely missed running over some elderly volunteers...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPn3lyzkL7A


    saw an article in wapo or through yahoo's aggregator app.
    the more people who vote the better imo. of course I would prefer voting a certain way, but that isnt my place. My place is to encourage any would be voter to view each candidate or issue from all sides and vote your conscience.

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  • mickeyrat said:


    saw an article in wapo or through yahoo's aggregator app.
    the more people who vote the better imo. of course I would prefer voting a certain way, but that isnt my place. My place is to encourage any would be voter to view each candidate or issue from all sides and vote your conscience.
    I'm the same way. It's annoying when people encourage others to vote...but only for who they want them to vote for.
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  • cincybearcat
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    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Bernie should quit whining about Iowa and move on already. Really Bernie, you can’t win coming in second in Iowa? 
    Timestamp on when he "whined" about Iowa the most recent?


    https://apple.news/AizHAnpitRHyONtTeS2qU9Q
    Ain't got a subscription. 

    But whatevz. He gets questions about it. He and Petes agrees the popular vote is what counts, so Bernie won - jippie. Pete weasel-pushing the narrative of his win was "smart" but backbone-less. Bernie countered it by him saying how he won for real. just like Biden countered when Pete attacked.
    Weasel pushing?  I'd argue the opposite.  Bernie declaring "decisive" victory was much closer to weasely... considering as of this moment, Pete is the winner and has the most SDE's.  Iowa is a caucus and that's how delegates work.  You don't get to declare victory because you won the popular, when that's not how the process is set up.  Just ask Hillary.  
    If you were an honest man, you would say they both were the winners getting the same delegates. That is what it was all about?

    And I don't need to ask "Hillary" - I CAN JUST ASK PETE:

    "At risk of of sounding a little simplistic, one thing I believe is that in an american presidential election, the person who gets the most votes ought to be the person who wins"

    The "Pete standard" as Jake Tapper calls it. And even Pete can't spin it:

    https://youtu.be/KpKJJ5lbOS8

    (and now you maybe will say  - but that is the presidential election, he didn't say ioooowaaaaaa - he's free on a technicality.

    And we all know who famously was let free on a technicality) 


    They didn't get the same delegate count, so why would anyone say that?  It's 13-12 currently.  Now that doesn't mean re-canvassing won't flip that, but as of now, it's not a tie.  
    What was it when he declared victory and had his team call up every news source in america to make sure that story spread?
    Prudent?

    Look, these candidates had people at every caucus for the most part.  They knew the results or close to it.  Iowa messed up and almost robbed Pete of the momentum a campaign like his needs, so he did what he had to do.  And .... well looky there.... was he right?
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  • mrussel1 said:


    And why are you conflating what Pete thinks the American electoral system should be with what the caucus system actually is in Iowa at this moment?  What does one thing have to do with the other?
    As I said "and now you maybe will say ut that is the presidential election, he didn't say ioooowaaaaaa"
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Bernie should quit whining about Iowa and move on already. Really Bernie, you can’t win coming in second in Iowa? 
    Timestamp on when he "whined" about Iowa the most recent?


    https://apple.news/AizHAnpitRHyONtTeS2qU9Q
    Ain't got a subscription. 

    But whatevz. He gets questions about it. He and Petes agrees the popular vote is what counts, so Bernie won - jippie. Pete weasel-pushing the narrative of his win was "smart" but backbone-less. Bernie countered it by him saying how he won for real. just like Biden countered when Pete attacked.
    Weasel pushing?  I'd argue the opposite.  Bernie declaring "decisive" victory was much closer to weasely... considering as of this moment, Pete is the winner and has the most SDE's.  Iowa is a caucus and that's how delegates work.  You don't get to declare victory because you won the popular, when that's not how the process is set up.  Just ask Hillary.  
    If you were an honest man, you would say they both were the winners getting the same delegates. That is what it was all about?

    And I don't need to ask "Hillary" - I CAN JUST ASK PETE:

    "At risk of of sounding a little simplistic, one thing I believe is that in an american presidential election, the person who gets the most votes ought to be the person who wins"

    The "Pete standard" as Jake Tapper calls it. And even Pete can't spin it:

    https://youtu.be/KpKJJ5lbOS8

    (and now you maybe will say  - but that is the presidential election, he didn't say ioooowaaaaaa - he's free on a technicality.

    And we all know who famously was let free on a technicality) 


    They didn't get the same delegate count, so why would anyone say that?  It's 13-12 currently.  Now that doesn't mean re-canvassing won't flip that, but as of now, it's not a tie.  
    What was it when he declared victory and had his team call up every news source in america to make sure that story spread?
    Was he wrong?  As of this moment, no he's not.  So that means he had strong data coming from his precinct captains.  Tell me what was weasly about it, and contrast it with why Sanders saying his victory was "decisive" is okay.  
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    mrussel1 said:


    And why are you conflating what Pete thinks the American electoral system should be with what the caucus system actually is in Iowa at this moment?  What does one thing have to do with the other?
    As I said "and now you maybe will say ut that is the presidential election, he didn't say ioooowaaaaaa"
    No comprendez
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,370
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Bernie should quit whining about Iowa and move on already. Really Bernie, you can’t win coming in second in Iowa? 
    Timestamp on when he "whined" about Iowa the most recent?


    https://apple.news/AizHAnpitRHyONtTeS2qU9Q
    Ain't got a subscription. 

    But whatevz. He gets questions about it. He and Petes agrees the popular vote is what counts, so Bernie won - jippie. Pete weasel-pushing the narrative of his win was "smart" but backbone-less. Bernie countered it by him saying how he won for real. just like Biden countered when Pete attacked.
    Weasel pushing?  I'd argue the opposite.  Bernie declaring "decisive" victory was much closer to weasely... considering as of this moment, Pete is the winner and has the most SDE's.  Iowa is a caucus and that's how delegates work.  You don't get to declare victory because you won the popular, when that's not how the process is set up.  Just ask Hillary.  
    If you were an honest man, you would say they both were the winners getting the same delegates. That is what it was all about?

    And I don't need to ask "Hillary" - I CAN JUST ASK PETE:

    "At risk of of sounding a little simplistic, one thing I believe is that in an american presidential election, the person who gets the most votes ought to be the person who wins"

    The "Pete standard" as Jake Tapper calls it. And even Pete can't spin it:

    https://youtu.be/KpKJJ5lbOS8

    (and now you maybe will say  - but that is the presidential election, he didn't say ioooowaaaaaa - he's free on a technicality.

    And we all know who famously was let free on a technicality) 


    They didn't get the same delegate count, so why would anyone say that?  It's 13-12 currently.  Now that doesn't mean re-canvassing won't flip that, but as of now, it's not a tie.  
    What was it when he declared victory and had his team call up every news source in america to make sure that story spread?
    Was he wrong?  As of this moment, no he's not.  So that means he had strong data coming from his precinct captains.  Tell me what was weasly about it, and contrast it with why Sanders saying his victory was "decisive" is okay.  
    cuz he wants the fake social democrat that he cant vote for to win.

    dude is 79 yrs old
     he was a SD for 7 yrs of his adult life. the rest he's been independent.

    Now If you believe so strongly in a political philosophy why arent you representing that philosophy more tangibly by running as same?
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,465
    edited February 2020
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Bernie should quit whining about Iowa and move on already. Really Bernie, you can’t win coming in second in Iowa? 
    Timestamp on when he "whined" about Iowa the most recent?


    https://apple.news/AizHAnpitRHyONtTeS2qU9Q
    Ain't got a subscription. 

    But whatevz. He gets questions about it. He and Petes agrees the popular vote is what counts, so Bernie won - jippie. Pete weasel-pushing the narrative of his win was "smart" but backbone-less. Bernie countered it by him saying how he won for real. just like Biden countered when Pete attacked.
    Weasel pushing?  I'd argue the opposite.  Bernie declaring "decisive" victory was much closer to weasely... considering as of this moment, Pete is the winner and has the most SDE's.  Iowa is a caucus and that's how delegates work.  You don't get to declare victory because you won the popular, when that's not how the process is set up.  Just ask Hillary.  
    If you were an honest man, you would say they both were the winners getting the same delegates. That is what it was all about?

    And I don't need to ask "Hillary" - I CAN JUST ASK PETE:

    "At risk of of sounding a little simplistic, one thing I believe is that in an american presidential election, the person who gets the most votes ought to be the person who wins"

    The "Pete standard" as Jake Tapper calls it. And even Pete can't spin it:

    https://youtu.be/KpKJJ5lbOS8

    (and now you maybe will say  - but that is the presidential election, he didn't say ioooowaaaaaa - he's free on a technicality.

    And we all know who famously was let free on a technicality) 


    They didn't get the same delegate count, so why would anyone say that?  It's 13-12 currently.  Now that doesn't mean re-canvassing won't flip that, but as of now, it's not a tie.  
    What was it when he declared victory and had his team call up every news source in america to make sure that story spread?
    Was he wrong?  As of this moment, no he's not.  So that means he had strong data coming from his precinct captains.  Tell me what was weasly about it, and contrast it with why Sanders saying his victory was "decisive" is okay.  

    A house is red.

    Stupid Mayor: That house is blue.

    Stupid Mayor lies.

    Days later the house is painted blue.

    M Russel: Was he wrong? As of this moment, no he's not.

    If the house was red. Yes, he was wrong. 

    Tenses is a thing.



    Or.

    A house is being painted. Covered by a wodden fence. A red and a blue paintbucket stand next to the fence.

    Stupid Mayor: That house is blue.

    Stupid Mayor hopes its i blue. Bu he doesn't know yet because of the fence.

    Days later the fence is taken down and it is blue.

    M Russel: Was he wrong? As of this moment, no he's not.

    The fence was there.. Yes, he was wrong. 

    Tenses is a thing.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Bernie should quit whining about Iowa and move on already. Really Bernie, you can’t win coming in second in Iowa? 
    Timestamp on when he "whined" about Iowa the most recent?


    https://apple.news/AizHAnpitRHyONtTeS2qU9Q
    Ain't got a subscription. 

    But whatevz. He gets questions about it. He and Petes agrees the popular vote is what counts, so Bernie won - jippie. Pete weasel-pushing the narrative of his win was "smart" but backbone-less. Bernie countered it by him saying how he won for real. just like Biden countered when Pete attacked.
    Weasel pushing?  I'd argue the opposite.  Bernie declaring "decisive" victory was much closer to weasely... considering as of this moment, Pete is the winner and has the most SDE's.  Iowa is a caucus and that's how delegates work.  You don't get to declare victory because you won the popular, when that's not how the process is set up.  Just ask Hillary.  
    If you were an honest man, you would say they both were the winners getting the same delegates. That is what it was all about?

    And I don't need to ask "Hillary" - I CAN JUST ASK PETE:

    "At risk of of sounding a little simplistic, one thing I believe is that in an american presidential election, the person who gets the most votes ought to be the person who wins"

    The "Pete standard" as Jake Tapper calls it. And even Pete can't spin it:

    https://youtu.be/KpKJJ5lbOS8

    (and now you maybe will say  - but that is the presidential election, he didn't say ioooowaaaaaa - he's free on a technicality.

    And we all know who famously was let free on a technicality) 


    They didn't get the same delegate count, so why would anyone say that?  It's 13-12 currently.  Now that doesn't mean re-canvassing won't flip that, but as of now, it's not a tie.  
    What was it when he declared victory and had his team call up every news source in america to make sure that story spread?
    Was he wrong?  As of this moment, no he's not.  So that means he had strong data coming from his precinct captains.  Tell me what was weasly about it, and contrast it with why Sanders saying his victory was "decisive" is okay.  
    cuz he wants the fake social democrat that he cant vote for to win.
    What has me not being able to vote to do with anything, please explain.

    And sound like you actually have an argument while doing it. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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