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  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    brianlux said:
    ecdanc said:
    brianlux said:
    This is such a first world issue.  There are millions of mothers and fathers (or what ever the fuck they are called now) who are just trying to make sure their new born thing has something to eat and here in the first world there are people who are arguing about the word "baby".  Good fucking grief!
    Straw man

    straw man
    /ˌstrô ˈman/
    noun
    noun: straw man; plural noun: straw men; noun: strawman; plural noun: strawmen
    1. 1. an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.
      "her familiar procedure of creating a straw man by exaggerating their approach"
    Not me.
    1. 2.  a person regarded as having no substance or integrity.
    No way.

    Well, which one is it, professor?  Do you see the irony of simply responding to what I said with one simple disparaging name calling? 
    You’re complaining about people who don’t exist. You’re attacking a straw man. First definition to the letter. 
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    brianlux said:
    ecdanc said:
    brianlux said:
    This is such a first world issue.  There are millions of mothers and fathers (or what ever the fuck they are called now) who are just trying to make sure their new born thing has something to eat and here in the first world there are people who are arguing about the word "baby".  Good fucking grief!
    Straw man

    Great song.  Lou Reed!

    dignin said:
    brianlux said:
    This is such a first world issue.  There are millions of mothers and fathers (or what ever the fuck they are called now) who are just trying to make sure their new born thing has something to eat and here in the first world there are people who are arguing about the word "baby".  Good fucking grief!
    I don't see why this is so upsetting. If it's not hurting anyone it's none of my business, and I don't think letting a child determine their own gender harmful.

    Like you said, I got bigger fish to fry.

    I just think it's ridiculous to say that the word "baby" implies anything other than what the word mean:  a newborn. 
    No one is. 
  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    brianlux said:
    ecdanc said:
    brianlux said:
    This is such a first world issue.  There are millions of mothers and fathers (or what ever the fuck they are called now) who are just trying to make sure their new born thing has something to eat and here in the first world there are people who are arguing about the word "baby".  Good fucking grief!
    Straw man

    straw man
    /ˌstrô ˈman/
    noun
    noun: straw man; plural noun: straw men; noun: strawman; plural noun: strawmen
    1. 1. an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.
      "her familiar procedure of creating a straw man by exaggerating their approach"
    Not me.
    1. 2.  a person regarded as having no substance or integrity.
    No way.

    Well, which one is it, professor?  Do you see the irony of simply responding to what I said with one simple disparaging name calling? 
    What if you're not a man? You can't be a straw man. 
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,644
    what dreams said:
    brianlux said:
    ecdanc said:
    brianlux said:
    This is such a first world issue.  There are millions of mothers and fathers (or what ever the fuck they are called now) who are just trying to make sure their new born thing has something to eat and here in the first world there are people who are arguing about the word "baby".  Good fucking grief!
    Straw man

    straw man
    /ˌstrô ˈman/
    noun
    noun: straw man; plural noun: straw men; noun: strawman; plural noun: strawmen
    1. 1. an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.
      "her familiar procedure of creating a straw man by exaggerating their approach"
    Not me.
    1. 2.  a person regarded as having no substance or integrity.
    No way.

    Well, which one is it, professor?  Do you see the irony of simply responding to what I said with one simple disparaging name calling? 
    What if you're not a man? You can't be a straw man. 

    Straw woman?  Straw thing?

    All I know is, simply name calling is a cop out.  So I'm out. 

    Adios!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni











  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    brianlux said:
    what dreams said:
    brianlux said:
    ecdanc said:
    brianlux said:
    This is such a first world issue.  There are millions of mothers and fathers (or what ever the fuck they are called now) who are just trying to make sure their new born thing has something to eat and here in the first world there are people who are arguing about the word "baby".  Good fucking grief!
    Straw man

    straw man
    /ˌstrô ˈman/
    noun
    noun: straw man; plural noun: straw men; noun: strawman; plural noun: strawmen
    1. 1. an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.
      "her familiar procedure of creating a straw man by exaggerating their approach"
    Not me.
    1. 2.  a person regarded as having no substance or integrity.
    No way.

    Well, which one is it, professor?  Do you see the irony of simply responding to what I said with one simple disparaging name calling? 
    What if you're not a man? You can't be a straw man. 

    Straw woman?  Straw thing?

    All I know is, simply name calling is a cop out.  So I'm out. 

    Adios!
    I really don’t like Brians who pretend to be from Paraguay. Please stop. 
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Calling someone's argument a straw man is not name calling, just so everyone's clear.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,876
    brianlux said:
    what dreams said:
    brianlux said:
    ecdanc said:
    brianlux said:
    This is such a first world issue.  There are millions of mothers and fathers (or what ever the fuck they are called now) who are just trying to make sure their new born thing has something to eat and here in the first world there are people who are arguing about the word "baby".  Good fucking grief!
    Straw man

    straw man
    /ˌstrô ˈman/
    noun
    noun: straw man; plural noun: straw men; noun: strawman; plural noun: strawmen
    1. 1. an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.
      "her familiar procedure of creating a straw man by exaggerating their approach"
    Not me.
    1. 2.  a person regarded as having no substance or integrity.
    No way.

    Well, which one is it, professor?  Do you see the irony of simply responding to what I said with one simple disparaging name calling? 
    What if you're not a man? You can't be a straw man. 

    Straw woman?  Straw thing?

    All I know is, simply name calling is a cop out.  So I'm out. 

    Adios!
    Do you guys remember that hilarious thread after Berkley banned Policeman and Fireman in their code?  That was fun.. especially our favorite PJ bassist Jeff ApersonT.  
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    what dreams said:
    brianlux said:
    ecdanc said:
    brianlux said:
    This is such a first world issue.  There are millions of mothers and fathers (or what ever the fuck they are called now) who are just trying to make sure their new born thing has something to eat and here in the first world there are people who are arguing about the word "baby".  Good fucking grief!
    Straw man

    straw man
    /ˌstrô ˈman/
    noun
    noun: straw man; plural noun: straw men; noun: strawman; plural noun: strawmen
    1. 1. an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.
      "her familiar procedure of creating a straw man by exaggerating their approach"
    Not me.
    1. 2.  a person regarded as having no substance or integrity.
    No way.

    Well, which one is it, professor?  Do you see the irony of simply responding to what I said with one simple disparaging name calling? 
    What if you're not a man? You can't be a straw man. 

    Straw woman?  Straw thing?

    All I know is, simply name calling is a cop out.  So I'm out. 

    Adios!
    Do you guys remember that hilarious thread after Berkley banned Policeman and Fireman in their code?  That was fun.. especially our favorite PJ bassist Jeff ApersonT.  
    The fishing company?
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    dignin said:
    Calling someone's argument a straw man is not name calling, just so everyone's clear.
    That’s what I thought too, but what do I know. 
  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    hedonist said:
    dignin said:
    Calling someone's argument a straw man is not name calling, just so everyone's clear.
    That’s what I thought too, but what do I know. 
    I think the second definition posted may have been the offense. But it wasn't me. And I  do note the irony of someone who has argued for two-dozen or so pages in two different threads about their PhD in Gender Linguistics (or whatever) using the word "man" to discredit someone else's position about gender. It's just silly, and I have enjoyed ignoring most of that expert's posts.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,805
    edited February 2020
    dignin said:
    Calling someone's argument a straw man is not name calling, just so everyone's clear.
    Right it is just a stupid dismissive way of not having a discussion.  Like “ok boomer”.
    Post edited by cincybearcat on
    hippiemom = goodness
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    cincybearcat said:
    dignin said:
    Calling someone's argument a straw man is not name calling, just so everyone's clear.
    Right it is just a stupid dismissive way of not having a discussion.  Like “ok boomer”.
    What are you on about? It’s a way of saying “I don’t know who you’re talking about, but it ain’t any of us.” Don’t be silly. 
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,286
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    I wonder what, if any , accommodations will be made once he reaches prison. Would assume he starts out in a juvenile facility intil 18.......


    16-Year-Old Pleads Guilty to Murder in Colorado School Shooting https://nyti.ms/3898e0t

      frompage 30. with no comment from anyone.
    I am QUITE SURE this young man really is appreciative of the uberadvocate here.... finds his pissing matches most helpful.
    stil no comment if what this young mans life is about to be like? what the state might do eithera way? accommodate accordingly with care or force a way of living he soughtt freedom from.
    raises a good line of discussion generally I think. How the penal system moves forward.....

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,644
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    dignin said:
    Calling someone's argument a straw man is not name calling, just so everyone's clear.
    Right it is just a stupid dismissive way of not having a discussion.  Like “ok boomer”.
    What are you on about? It’s a way of saying “I don’t know who you’re talking about, but it ain’t any of us.” Don’t be silly. 

    Hasta la visa, thingy.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni











  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Thingy?  Yikes.

    Anyway...mickey, I would hope the arrested boy will be treated accordingly, as relates to his being transgendered.  That said, a quick search shows there are some major fuckups within Colorado's penitentiary system that indicates this may not be so.

    (And in my search, thought Richard Speck might be applicable but I don't believe he was actually trans - seemed more of a defensive move.)
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,286
    hedonist said:
    Thingy?  Yikes.

    Anyway...mickey, I would hope the arrested boy will be treated accordingly, as relates to his being transgendered.  That said, a quick search shows there are some major fuckups within Colorado's penitentiary system that indicates this may not be so.

    (And in my search, thought Richard Speck might be applicable but I don't believe he was actually trans - seemed more of a defensive move.)
    closest we have is Manning. And thats not only federal but Military to boot.   Am hesitant to state her treatment was transxrelated vs what was seen as traitorous at worst , certainly injurous at a minimum.
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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    brianlux said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    dignin said:
    Calling someone's argument a straw man is not name calling, just so everyone's clear.
    Right it is just a stupid dismissive way of not having a discussion.  Like “ok boomer”.
    What are you on about? It’s a way of saying “I don’t know who you’re talking about, but it ain’t any of us.” Don’t be silly. 

    Hasta la visa, thingy.
    People here told me you were smart and nice. 
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,644
    ecdanc said:
    brianlux said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    dignin said:
    Calling someone's argument a straw man is not name calling, just so everyone's clear.
    Right it is just a stupid dismissive way of not having a discussion.  Like “ok boomer”.
    What are you on about? It’s a way of saying “I don’t know who you’re talking about, but it ain’t any of us.” Don’t be silly. 

    Hasta la visa, thingy.
    People here told me you were smart and nice. 

    People said that?  LOL, fools all!

    Come on man, I'm just teasing you.  You should be tickled!  What more do you want- a kiss on the lips?  Sorry bro, no can do.  But I will give you a big Arnold hug instead!


    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni











  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    I would expect that of another poster :whistle:
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,644
    hedonist said:
    I would expect that of another poster :whistle:


    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni











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