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More to your point: in my experience, many people have a circumscribed understanding of areas in which "intellectual authority" or "expertise" exists--and at first glance, you look like one of them (I'm happy to be wrong about this). That's the backdrop of this thread's entire discussion of science.rgambs said:
Hah! Just because we don't recognize your expertise (outside of your field) doesn't mean we don't recognize intellectual authority at all.ecdanc said:I sometimes imagine you all at the physician:
Doc: Sir, you have a fatal disease.
Patient: What makes you such an expert?
Doc: .......
Patient: Agree to disagree.
Clearly you are a very intelligent person, but the desire to be immediately recognized as an authority by strangers on the internet is not a good look.0 -
Ok, well maybe it's in your field that we find a lack of authority.ecdanc said:
The social constructedness of discourse is not outside my field.rgambs said:
Hah! Just because we don't recognize your expertise (outside of your field) doesn't mean we don't recognize intellectual authority at all.ecdanc said:I sometimes imagine you all at the physician:
Doc: Sir, you have a fatal disease.
Patient: What makes you such an expert?
Doc: .......
Patient: Agree to disagree.
Clearly you are a very intelligent person, but the desire to be immediately recognized as an authority by strangers on the internet is not a good look.
Either way, you haven't addressed a number of the issue taken with your assertion, and it doesn't seem like you are interested in doing so. I suppose we should reopen the floor for the topic at hand.
Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
ecdanc said:
Both. But cross dressing is NOT the same thing as transgender identity.mickeyrat said:
within the works themselves or primarily in the production of same?what dreams said:Thank God my English major days are over. It's exactly this kind of discussion that has led to the decline of the humanities in universities. I spent four years of my formative life listening to this Marxist-feminist-intersectional drivel, writing bull... papers parroting my professors thinking just to get an A so I could move on. Drove all pleasure in reading out of the discussion. It wasn't until I sat in a conference almost a decade after a fact that a well-regarded professor of Shakespeare (Stephen Greenblatt) finally said the obvious -- "People read because it gives them pleasure. Let's for a moment just focus on what's pleasurable about Shakespeare's language" He got an applause.
Just so I stay on topic. Cross dressing and gender switching in Shakespeare was very much a thing. There may not have been the actual word homosexuality, but it was a thing. Pinning it all on the Victorians is just not accurate.and that seems to be where Eddie Izard began. Labeling himself as such. Until the language was developed for him(on a given day, her on another) to state gender fluidity.Isnt identity an expressed vision of self? Same might be said for transvestites or cross-dressers , depending on who is using which term.
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Within the works. During the era in which Shakespeare wrote, women were not allowed on stage. All female characters were played by boys. Several plays feature female characters (played by boys) who "disguise" themselves as men to acquire freedom or power. Twelfth Night, As You Like It most prominently. To see a contemporary treatment of it, I highly recommend the movie Shakespeare in Live, which is just a really FUN look at the theater of the timemickeyrat said:
within the works themselves or primarily in the production of same?what dreams said:Thank God my English major days are over. It's exactly this kind of discussion that has led to the decline of the humanities in universities. I spent four years of my formative life listening to this Marxist-feminist-intersectional drivel, writing bull... papers parroting my professors thinking just to get an A so I could move on. Drove all pleasure in reading out of the discussion. It wasn't until I sat in a conference almost a decade after a fact that a well-regarded professor of Shakespeare (Stephen Greenblatt) finally said the obvious -- "People read because it gives them pleasure. Let's for a moment just focus on what's pleasurable about Shakespeare's language" He got an applause.
Just so I stay on topic. Cross dressing and gender switching in Shakespeare was very much a thing. There may not have been the actual word homosexuality, but it was a thing. Pinning it all on the Victorians is just not accurate.
EDIT: so as an English major, I was subject to much research on "Homoeroticism and Gender Identity in Name Your Play." Basically the same stuff we are discussing today, boys kissing boys on stage.Post edited by what dreams on0 -
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At least you admit you’re dismissing entire intellectual disciplines.rgambs said:
Ok, well maybe it's in your field that we find a lack of authority.ecdanc said:
The social constructedness of discourse is not outside my field.rgambs said:
Hah! Just because we don't recognize your expertise (outside of your field) doesn't mean we don't recognize intellectual authority at all.ecdanc said:I sometimes imagine you all at the physician:
Doc: Sir, you have a fatal disease.
Patient: What makes you such an expert?
Doc: .......
Patient: Agree to disagree.
Clearly you are a very intelligent person, but the desire to be immediately recognized as an authority by strangers on the internet is not a good look.
Either way, you haven't addressed a number of the issue taken with your assertion, and it doesn't seem like you are interested in doing so. I suppose we should reopen the floor for the topic at hand.0 -
Well, despite my love for the art of literature, I tend to favor (heavily, I suppose) intellectual authority in objective topics.ecdanc said:
More to your point: in my experience, many people have a circumscribed understanding of areas in which "intellectual authority" or "expertise" exists--and at first glance, you look like one of them (I'm happy to be wrong about this). That's the backdrop of this thread's entire discussion of science.rgambs said:
Hah! Just because we don't recognize your expertise (outside of your field) doesn't mean we don't recognize intellectual authority at all.ecdanc said:I sometimes imagine you all at the physician:
Doc: Sir, you have a fatal disease.
Patient: What makes you such an expert?
Doc: .......
Patient: Agree to disagree.
Clearly you are a very intelligent person, but the desire to be immediately recognized as an authority by strangers on the internet is not a good look.
Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
Common ground is gonna be tricky given that you just shat on a central part of my identity. But my father in law was a farmer!rgambs said:0 -
Don't we all? Like I said, I'm more into objective disciplines. 🤷♂️ecdanc said:
At least you admit you’re dismissing entire intellectual disciplines.rgambs said:
Ok, well maybe it's in your field that we find a lack of authority.ecdanc said:
The social constructedness of discourse is not outside my field.rgambs said:
Hah! Just because we don't recognize your expertise (outside of your field) doesn't mean we don't recognize intellectual authority at all.ecdanc said:I sometimes imagine you all at the physician:
Doc: Sir, you have a fatal disease.
Patient: What makes you such an expert?
Doc: .......
Patient: Agree to disagree.
Clearly you are a very intelligent person, but the desire to be immediately recognized as an authority by strangers on the internet is not a good look.
Either way, you haven't addressed a number of the issue taken with your assertion, and it doesn't seem like you are interested in doing so. I suppose we should reopen the floor for the topic at hand.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
There aren’t anyrgambs said:
Don't we all? Like I said, I'm more into objective disciplines. 🤷♂️ecdanc said:
At least you admit you’re dismissing entire intellectual disciplines.rgambs said:
Ok, well maybe it's in your field that we find a lack of authority.ecdanc said:
The social constructedness of discourse is not outside my field.rgambs said:
Hah! Just because we don't recognize your expertise (outside of your field) doesn't mean we don't recognize intellectual authority at all.ecdanc said:I sometimes imagine you all at the physician:
Doc: Sir, you have a fatal disease.
Patient: What makes you such an expert?
Doc: .......
Patient: Agree to disagree.
Clearly you are a very intelligent person, but the desire to be immediately recognized as an authority by strangers on the internet is not a good look.
Either way, you haven't addressed a number of the issue taken with your assertion, and it doesn't seem like you are interested in doing so. I suppose we should reopen the floor for the topic at hand.0 -
Hahaha tell that to your doctor when he prescribes you a treatment, Sir Edgelord.ecdanc said:
There aren’t anyrgambs said:
Don't we all? Like I said, I'm more into objective disciplines. 🤷♂️ecdanc said:
At least you admit you’re dismissing entire intellectual disciplines.rgambs said:
Ok, well maybe it's in your field that we find a lack of authority.ecdanc said:
The social constructedness of discourse is not outside my field.rgambs said:
Hah! Just because we don't recognize your expertise (outside of your field) doesn't mean we don't recognize intellectual authority at all.ecdanc said:I sometimes imagine you all at the physician:
Doc: Sir, you have a fatal disease.
Patient: What makes you such an expert?
Doc: .......
Patient: Agree to disagree.
Clearly you are a very intelligent person, but the desire to be immediately recognized as an authority by strangers on the internet is not a good look.
Either way, you haven't addressed a number of the issue taken with your assertion, and it doesn't seem like you are interested in doing so. I suppose we should reopen the floor for the topic at hand.
Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
I don’t think you know what “objective” means.rgambs said:
Hahaha tell that to your doctor when he prescribes you a treatment, Sir Edgelord.ecdanc said:
There aren’t anyrgambs said:
Don't we all? Like I said, I'm more into objective disciplines. 🤷♂️ecdanc said:
At least you admit you’re dismissing entire intellectual disciplines.rgambs said:
Ok, well maybe it's in your field that we find a lack of authority.ecdanc said:
The social constructedness of discourse is not outside my field.rgambs said:
Hah! Just because we don't recognize your expertise (outside of your field) doesn't mean we don't recognize intellectual authority at all.ecdanc said:I sometimes imagine you all at the physician:
Doc: Sir, you have a fatal disease.
Patient: What makes you such an expert?
Doc: .......
Patient: Agree to disagree.
Clearly you are a very intelligent person, but the desire to be immediately recognized as an authority by strangers on the internet is not a good look.
Either way, you haven't addressed a number of the issue taken with your assertion, and it doesn't seem like you are interested in doing so. I suppose we should reopen the floor for the topic at hand.0 -
To get back on topic... I've heard theybe before, but never really given it any thought?
Is baby a gendered term, or is it a way to signify to people a desire to avoid gendering. Or something else?
Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
Hahaha I bet you have a definition that positively transcends a mere dictionary!ecdanc said:
I don’t think you know what “objective” means.rgambs said:
Hahaha tell that to your doctor when he prescribes you a treatment, Sir Edgelord.ecdanc said:
There aren’t anyrgambs said:
Don't we all? Like I said, I'm more into objective disciplines. 🤷♂️ecdanc said:
At least you admit you’re dismissing entire intellectual disciplines.rgambs said:
Ok, well maybe it's in your field that we find a lack of authority.ecdanc said:
The social constructedness of discourse is not outside my field.rgambs said:
Hah! Just because we don't recognize your expertise (outside of your field) doesn't mean we don't recognize intellectual authority at all.ecdanc said:I sometimes imagine you all at the physician:
Doc: Sir, you have a fatal disease.
Patient: What makes you such an expert?
Doc: .......
Patient: Agree to disagree.
Clearly you are a very intelligent person, but the desire to be immediately recognized as an authority by strangers on the internet is not a good look.
Either way, you haven't addressed a number of the issue taken with your assertion, and it doesn't seem like you are interested in doing so. I suppose we should reopen the floor for the topic at hand.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
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You said you like readingrgambs said:0 -
I hope your doctor knows more about the flu than what’s in the dictionary.rgambs said:
Hahaha I bet you have a definition that positively transcends a mere dictionary!ecdanc said:
I don’t think you know what “objective” means.rgambs said:
Hahaha tell that to your doctor when he prescribes you a treatment, Sir Edgelord.ecdanc said:
There aren’t anyrgambs said:
Don't we all? Like I said, I'm more into objective disciplines. 🤷♂️ecdanc said:
At least you admit you’re dismissing entire intellectual disciplines.rgambs said:
Ok, well maybe it's in your field that we find a lack of authority.ecdanc said:
The social constructedness of discourse is not outside my field.rgambs said:
Hah! Just because we don't recognize your expertise (outside of your field) doesn't mean we don't recognize intellectual authority at all.ecdanc said:I sometimes imagine you all at the physician:
Doc: Sir, you have a fatal disease.
Patient: What makes you such an expert?
Doc: .......
Patient: Agree to disagree.
Clearly you are a very intelligent person, but the desire to be immediately recognized as an authority by strangers on the internet is not a good look.
Either way, you haven't addressed a number of the issue taken with your assertion, and it doesn't seem like you are interested in doing so. I suppose we should reopen the floor for the topic at hand.0
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