The Democratic Presidential Debates
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No, I just don’t buy into what you’re trying to sell, that because your friends share the beliefs of a faceturd shared queersagainstpete internet agitprop that it makes it a “political movement” that exhibits legitimacy and transparency. It’s as much of a political movement as I am aligned with middleagedlibtardpersonsagainsttrump is. Let me go down in a basement and share it on social media and I’ll have a political movement running rampant.ecdanc said:
I mean like my friends do. I'll return to my earlier point: you have an absurdly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics.Halifax2TheMax said:
You mean like Obama did?ecdanc said:
How much on-the-ground organizing do you do?Halifax2TheMax said:
Noecdanc said:
A straightforward question: are my friends who agree with the site, but are not affiliated with it, part of a “legitimate political movement?”Halifax2TheMax said:
Sorry, but I'm not buying that queersagainstpete is some legitimate political movement. And I wouldn't dismiss the LGBTIA community's grievances as a fabrication of putin on the ritz's. The dems need to appeal to indies and Bernie ain't appealing to indies and to even less of dems than 2016. I can't wait for the queersagainstbillionaires political movement to get going. Should be about 6-8 weeks from now.ecdanc said:
I do not, but I know people (some of whom are queer) with the exact same views. I worry that you'll use your fear of Russian trolls to pretend they don't exist.Halifax2TheMax said:
You could have said that earlier.ecdanc said:
I should add that many of my Facebook friends and a fair number of my real-life friends are going to be disappointed to learn they're actually Russian-troll fabrications.Halifax2TheMax said:
Again, read up on Putin on the ritz’s troll farms so you understand how that technique is now the operative method of almost any candidate, party and supporter because it’s so successful. The majority of those “small scale political actions” are complete fabrications.ecdanc said:
I don't think QueersagainstPete claims to have any sort of mass following. It looks to me like the small-scale political action I see all the time (and that, to me, is the essence of politics). I also don't think it claims either of the things you accuse it of in your first paragraph.Halifax2TheMax said:
If that’s how you want to label yourself, that’s fine but you, or queersagainstpete, shouldn’t claim to speak for all queers and claim Pete’s policies are harmful to all queers.ecdanc said:
So, "queerindividualsagainstPete" would has been ok with you?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’m an individual speaking up and out for myself and not trying to represent or misrepresent a group and claim to speak for them. Has Bernie endorsed or made public statements to the effect of I welcome the support of queersagainstpete? Let me guess, you have 6,000 Facebook friends?ecdanc said:
So anyone who isn't a PAC or "any type of organization" can't make a credible political statement? Are you a PAC? Can you make credible political statements?Halifax2TheMax said:
Maybe I should have said are they registered as a PAC or any type of organization that would lend them an ounce of credibility? It seems you may confuse what might be legitimate in this age of troll farms and social media that can’t possibly influence an election, particularly a democratic primary season. Did you register on their site or link for the email blasts?ecdanc said:
You have a highly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics, it appears.Halifax2TheMax said:
More.ecdanc said:
Wait, would you trust them more or less if they were 501c3?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’d have more faith in them if there had been a QueersAgainstTrump organization and mobilization drive. Seems more like a Putin on the ritz troll farm operation than a legit politic organization. They registered as a 501c3?ecdanc said:
Did you hear all of Team Trump Treason’s comments about all the hot body, good looking dudes who supported him throughout impeachment? I mean it really bordered on getting sexual, breathless as he was in his descriptions. Maybe he should just come out? NTTIAWWT. He’d still be POTUS and first is better than third. And some think Biden is creepy?
Berniebrosises not having a queersagainsttrumppence after Team Trump Treason embraced the rainbow flag then basically did an about face on so many LGBTA policies should be a clue, yes?
As for the last part, gtfo. Trust me: the queer folks I know have done more to combat Trump than most.
I don't understand your last two questions.
Has Bernie endorsed or welcomed queersagainstpete’s advocacy?Read up on Russian troll farms manipulation of faceturd and social media to better understand how “movements” or political advocacy groups can appear to have a mass following when in fact it’s Putin on the ritz’s trolls. Hence my request for “legitimacy,” or a past history of similar advocacy.
Who is worse for queers, Team Trump Treason or Mayor Pete?
As for your last paragraph, I offer you a quote from Stalin: "they're both worse."
As for your last sentence, sure they are, sure. You still haven’t answered my questions regarding Bernie’s welcoming of queersagainstpete’s advocacy. Why is that?
Do you know anyone who started the “organization” queersagainstpete?
Please let me know who is actually behind queersagainstpete when you get a chance. Maybe check with Bernie? When and where is the rally?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Are your friends organizing queersagainstpete? Or are they coming up with faux political movements and organizations, posting them to faceturd and asking their “friends” to join or come on board, mostly pro-Bernie and anti-Pete?ecdanc said:
I mean like my friends do. I'll return to my earlier point: you have an absurdly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics.Halifax2TheMax said:
You mean like Obama did?ecdanc said:
How much on-the-ground organizing do you do?Halifax2TheMax said:
Noecdanc said:
A straightforward question: are my friends who agree with the site, but are not affiliated with it, part of a “legitimate political movement?”Halifax2TheMax said:
Sorry, but I'm not buying that queersagainstpete is some legitimate political movement. And I wouldn't dismiss the LGBTIA community's grievances as a fabrication of putin on the ritz's. The dems need to appeal to indies and Bernie ain't appealing to indies and to even less of dems than 2016. I can't wait for the queersagainstbillionaires political movement to get going. Should be about 6-8 weeks from now.ecdanc said:
I do not, but I know people (some of whom are queer) with the exact same views. I worry that you'll use your fear of Russian trolls to pretend they don't exist.Halifax2TheMax said:
You could have said that earlier.ecdanc said:
I should add that many of my Facebook friends and a fair number of my real-life friends are going to be disappointed to learn they're actually Russian-troll fabrications.Halifax2TheMax said:
Again, read up on Putin on the ritz’s troll farms so you understand how that technique is now the operative method of almost any candidate, party and supporter because it’s so successful. The majority of those “small scale political actions” are complete fabrications.ecdanc said:
I don't think QueersagainstPete claims to have any sort of mass following. It looks to me like the small-scale political action I see all the time (and that, to me, is the essence of politics). I also don't think it claims either of the things you accuse it of in your first paragraph.Halifax2TheMax said:
If that’s how you want to label yourself, that’s fine but you, or queersagainstpete, shouldn’t claim to speak for all queers and claim Pete’s policies are harmful to all queers.ecdanc said:
So, "queerindividualsagainstPete" would has been ok with you?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’m an individual speaking up and out for myself and not trying to represent or misrepresent a group and claim to speak for them. Has Bernie endorsed or made public statements to the effect of I welcome the support of queersagainstpete? Let me guess, you have 6,000 Facebook friends?ecdanc said:
So anyone who isn't a PAC or "any type of organization" can't make a credible political statement? Are you a PAC? Can you make credible political statements?Halifax2TheMax said:
Maybe I should have said are they registered as a PAC or any type of organization that would lend them an ounce of credibility? It seems you may confuse what might be legitimate in this age of troll farms and social media that can’t possibly influence an election, particularly a democratic primary season. Did you register on their site or link for the email blasts?ecdanc said:
You have a highly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics, it appears.Halifax2TheMax said:
More.ecdanc said:
Wait, would you trust them more or less if they were 501c3?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’d have more faith in them if there had been a QueersAgainstTrump organization and mobilization drive. Seems more like a Putin on the ritz troll farm operation than a legit politic organization. They registered as a 501c3?ecdanc said:
Did you hear all of Team Trump Treason’s comments about all the hot body, good looking dudes who supported him throughout impeachment? I mean it really bordered on getting sexual, breathless as he was in his descriptions. Maybe he should just come out? NTTIAWWT. He’d still be POTUS and first is better than third. And some think Biden is creepy?
Berniebrosises not having a queersagainsttrumppence after Team Trump Treason embraced the rainbow flag then basically did an about face on so many LGBTA policies should be a clue, yes?
As for the last part, gtfo. Trust me: the queer folks I know have done more to combat Trump than most.
I don't understand your last two questions.
Has Bernie endorsed or welcomed queersagainstpete’s advocacy?Read up on Russian troll farms manipulation of faceturd and social media to better understand how “movements” or political advocacy groups can appear to have a mass following when in fact it’s Putin on the ritz’s trolls. Hence my request for “legitimacy,” or a past history of similar advocacy.
Who is worse for queers, Team Trump Treason or Mayor Pete?
As for your last paragraph, I offer you a quote from Stalin: "they're both worse."
As for your last sentence, sure they are, sure. You still haven’t answered my questions regarding Bernie’s welcoming of queersagainstpete’s advocacy. Why is that?
Do you know anyone who started the “organization” queersagainstpete?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Please, tell me what political activity you take part in, so I can emulate you.Halifax2TheMax said:
No, I just don’t buy into what you’re trying to sell, that because your friends share the beliefs of a faceturd shared queersagainstpete internet agitprop that it makes it a “political movement” that exhibits legitimacy and transparency. It’s as much of a political movement as I am aligned with middleagedlibtardpersonsagainsttrump is. Let me go down in a basement and share it on social media and I’ll have a political movement running rampant.ecdanc said:
I mean like my friends do. I'll return to my earlier point: you have an absurdly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics.Halifax2TheMax said:
You mean like Obama did?ecdanc said:
How much on-the-ground organizing do you do?Halifax2TheMax said:
Noecdanc said:
A straightforward question: are my friends who agree with the site, but are not affiliated with it, part of a “legitimate political movement?”Halifax2TheMax said:
Sorry, but I'm not buying that queersagainstpete is some legitimate political movement. And I wouldn't dismiss the LGBTIA community's grievances as a fabrication of putin on the ritz's. The dems need to appeal to indies and Bernie ain't appealing to indies and to even less of dems than 2016. I can't wait for the queersagainstbillionaires political movement to get going. Should be about 6-8 weeks from now.ecdanc said:
I do not, but I know people (some of whom are queer) with the exact same views. I worry that you'll use your fear of Russian trolls to pretend they don't exist.Halifax2TheMax said:
You could have said that earlier.ecdanc said:
I should add that many of my Facebook friends and a fair number of my real-life friends are going to be disappointed to learn they're actually Russian-troll fabrications.Halifax2TheMax said:
Again, read up on Putin on the ritz’s troll farms so you understand how that technique is now the operative method of almost any candidate, party and supporter because it’s so successful. The majority of those “small scale political actions” are complete fabrications.ecdanc said:
I don't think QueersagainstPete claims to have any sort of mass following. It looks to me like the small-scale political action I see all the time (and that, to me, is the essence of politics). I also don't think it claims either of the things you accuse it of in your first paragraph.Halifax2TheMax said:
If that’s how you want to label yourself, that’s fine but you, or queersagainstpete, shouldn’t claim to speak for all queers and claim Pete’s policies are harmful to all queers.ecdanc said:
So, "queerindividualsagainstPete" would has been ok with you?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’m an individual speaking up and out for myself and not trying to represent or misrepresent a group and claim to speak for them. Has Bernie endorsed or made public statements to the effect of I welcome the support of queersagainstpete? Let me guess, you have 6,000 Facebook friends?ecdanc said:
So anyone who isn't a PAC or "any type of organization" can't make a credible political statement? Are you a PAC? Can you make credible political statements?Halifax2TheMax said:
Maybe I should have said are they registered as a PAC or any type of organization that would lend them an ounce of credibility? It seems you may confuse what might be legitimate in this age of troll farms and social media that can’t possibly influence an election, particularly a democratic primary season. Did you register on their site or link for the email blasts?ecdanc said:
You have a highly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics, it appears.Halifax2TheMax said:
More.ecdanc said:
Wait, would you trust them more or less if they were 501c3?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’d have more faith in them if there had been a QueersAgainstTrump organization and mobilization drive. Seems more like a Putin on the ritz troll farm operation than a legit politic organization. They registered as a 501c3?ecdanc said:
Did you hear all of Team Trump Treason’s comments about all the hot body, good looking dudes who supported him throughout impeachment? I mean it really bordered on getting sexual, breathless as he was in his descriptions. Maybe he should just come out? NTTIAWWT. He’d still be POTUS and first is better than third. And some think Biden is creepy?
Berniebrosises not having a queersagainsttrumppence after Team Trump Treason embraced the rainbow flag then basically did an about face on so many LGBTA policies should be a clue, yes?
As for the last part, gtfo. Trust me: the queer folks I know have done more to combat Trump than most.
I don't understand your last two questions.
Has Bernie endorsed or welcomed queersagainstpete’s advocacy?Read up on Russian troll farms manipulation of faceturd and social media to better understand how “movements” or political advocacy groups can appear to have a mass following when in fact it’s Putin on the ritz’s trolls. Hence my request for “legitimacy,” or a past history of similar advocacy.
Who is worse for queers, Team Trump Treason or Mayor Pete?
As for your last paragraph, I offer you a quote from Stalin: "they're both worse."
As for your last sentence, sure they are, sure. You still haven’t answered my questions regarding Bernie’s welcoming of queersagainstpete’s advocacy. Why is that?
Do you know anyone who started the “organization” queersagainstpete?
Please let me know who is actually behind queersagainstpete when you get a chance. Maybe check with Bernie? When and where is the rally?0 -
Did it grow the way it has under Trump? Go ahead and have your problems with Obama, Biden, et al (I do), but ideal has become the enemy of good (adequate, if you prefer). Trump and the Democratic nominee Are. Not. The. Same.ecdanc said:
Did the disease improve under Obama? I don't think so.OnWis97 said:
The disease will metastasize much faster with him in there than with some "awful" centrist Dem. And if they don't see that, I have no idea what to tell them...but they're heels are every bit as dug in as Trump's supporters' are.ecdanc said:
Maybe they aren't concerned with your "chance of knocking him off," but with the actual underlying disease.....mrussel1 said:
Maybe, but that doesn't mean that damaging any D candidate can't hurt our chance of knocking him off. If you're expecting the worker's revolution to happen before November, I suggest a different strategy.ecdanc said:
Trump is a symptom, not the disease.mrussel1 said:
It's awesome if you like Donald J. Trump as your president.ecdanc said:
Beside the point, but that site is awesome!mcgruff10 said:@ecdanc lots of filters at work but how about this: https://joebiden.info
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I run a bot farm with memes and gifs.ecdanc said:
Please, tell me what political activity you take part in, so I can emulate you.Halifax2TheMax said:
No, I just don’t buy into what you’re trying to sell, that because your friends share the beliefs of a faceturd shared queersagainstpete internet agitprop that it makes it a “political movement” that exhibits legitimacy and transparency. It’s as much of a political movement as I am aligned with middleagedlibtardpersonsagainsttrump is. Let me go down in a basement and share it on social media and I’ll have a political movement running rampant.ecdanc said:
I mean like my friends do. I'll return to my earlier point: you have an absurdly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics.Halifax2TheMax said:
You mean like Obama did?ecdanc said:
How much on-the-ground organizing do you do?Halifax2TheMax said:
Noecdanc said:
A straightforward question: are my friends who agree with the site, but are not affiliated with it, part of a “legitimate political movement?”Halifax2TheMax said:
Sorry, but I'm not buying that queersagainstpete is some legitimate political movement. And I wouldn't dismiss the LGBTIA community's grievances as a fabrication of putin on the ritz's. The dems need to appeal to indies and Bernie ain't appealing to indies and to even less of dems than 2016. I can't wait for the queersagainstbillionaires political movement to get going. Should be about 6-8 weeks from now.ecdanc said:
I do not, but I know people (some of whom are queer) with the exact same views. I worry that you'll use your fear of Russian trolls to pretend they don't exist.Halifax2TheMax said:
You could have said that earlier.ecdanc said:
I should add that many of my Facebook friends and a fair number of my real-life friends are going to be disappointed to learn they're actually Russian-troll fabrications.Halifax2TheMax said:
Again, read up on Putin on the ritz’s troll farms so you understand how that technique is now the operative method of almost any candidate, party and supporter because it’s so successful. The majority of those “small scale political actions” are complete fabrications.ecdanc said:
I don't think QueersagainstPete claims to have any sort of mass following. It looks to me like the small-scale political action I see all the time (and that, to me, is the essence of politics). I also don't think it claims either of the things you accuse it of in your first paragraph.Halifax2TheMax said:
If that’s how you want to label yourself, that’s fine but you, or queersagainstpete, shouldn’t claim to speak for all queers and claim Pete’s policies are harmful to all queers.ecdanc said:
So, "queerindividualsagainstPete" would has been ok with you?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’m an individual speaking up and out for myself and not trying to represent or misrepresent a group and claim to speak for them. Has Bernie endorsed or made public statements to the effect of I welcome the support of queersagainstpete? Let me guess, you have 6,000 Facebook friends?ecdanc said:
So anyone who isn't a PAC or "any type of organization" can't make a credible political statement? Are you a PAC? Can you make credible political statements?Halifax2TheMax said:
Maybe I should have said are they registered as a PAC or any type of organization that would lend them an ounce of credibility? It seems you may confuse what might be legitimate in this age of troll farms and social media that can’t possibly influence an election, particularly a democratic primary season. Did you register on their site or link for the email blasts?ecdanc said:
You have a highly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics, it appears.Halifax2TheMax said:
More.ecdanc said:
Wait, would you trust them more or less if they were 501c3?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’d have more faith in them if there had been a QueersAgainstTrump organization and mobilization drive. Seems more like a Putin on the ritz troll farm operation than a legit politic organization. They registered as a 501c3?ecdanc said:
Did you hear all of Team Trump Treason’s comments about all the hot body, good looking dudes who supported him throughout impeachment? I mean it really bordered on getting sexual, breathless as he was in his descriptions. Maybe he should just come out? NTTIAWWT. He’d still be POTUS and first is better than third. And some think Biden is creepy?
Berniebrosises not having a queersagainsttrumppence after Team Trump Treason embraced the rainbow flag then basically did an about face on so many LGBTA policies should be a clue, yes?
As for the last part, gtfo. Trust me: the queer folks I know have done more to combat Trump than most.
I don't understand your last two questions.
Has Bernie endorsed or welcomed queersagainstpete’s advocacy?Read up on Russian troll farms manipulation of faceturd and social media to better understand how “movements” or political advocacy groups can appear to have a mass following when in fact it’s Putin on the ritz’s trolls. Hence my request for “legitimacy,” or a past history of similar advocacy.
Who is worse for queers, Team Trump Treason or Mayor Pete?
As for your last paragraph, I offer you a quote from Stalin: "they're both worse."
As for your last sentence, sure they are, sure. You still haven’t answered my questions regarding Bernie’s welcoming of queersagainstpete’s advocacy. Why is that?
Do you know anyone who started the “organization” queersagainstpete?
Please let me know who is actually behind queersagainstpete when you get a chance. Maybe check with Bernie? When and where is the rally?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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wtf?Halifax2TheMax said:
Are your friends organizing queersagainstpete? Or are they coming up with faux political movements and organizations, posting them to faceturd and asking their “friends” to join or come on board, mostly pro-Bernie and anti-Pete?ecdanc said:
I mean like my friends do. I'll return to my earlier point: you have an absurdly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics.Halifax2TheMax said:
You mean like Obama did?ecdanc said:
How much on-the-ground organizing do you do?Halifax2TheMax said:
Noecdanc said:
A straightforward question: are my friends who agree with the site, but are not affiliated with it, part of a “legitimate political movement?”Halifax2TheMax said:
Sorry, but I'm not buying that queersagainstpete is some legitimate political movement. And I wouldn't dismiss the LGBTIA community's grievances as a fabrication of putin on the ritz's. The dems need to appeal to indies and Bernie ain't appealing to indies and to even less of dems than 2016. I can't wait for the queersagainstbillionaires political movement to get going. Should be about 6-8 weeks from now.ecdanc said:
I do not, but I know people (some of whom are queer) with the exact same views. I worry that you'll use your fear of Russian trolls to pretend they don't exist.Halifax2TheMax said:
You could have said that earlier.ecdanc said:
I should add that many of my Facebook friends and a fair number of my real-life friends are going to be disappointed to learn they're actually Russian-troll fabrications.Halifax2TheMax said:
Again, read up on Putin on the ritz’s troll farms so you understand how that technique is now the operative method of almost any candidate, party and supporter because it’s so successful. The majority of those “small scale political actions” are complete fabrications.ecdanc said:
I don't think QueersagainstPete claims to have any sort of mass following. It looks to me like the small-scale political action I see all the time (and that, to me, is the essence of politics). I also don't think it claims either of the things you accuse it of in your first paragraph.Halifax2TheMax said:
If that’s how you want to label yourself, that’s fine but you, or queersagainstpete, shouldn’t claim to speak for all queers and claim Pete’s policies are harmful to all queers.ecdanc said:
So, "queerindividualsagainstPete" would has been ok with you?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’m an individual speaking up and out for myself and not trying to represent or misrepresent a group and claim to speak for them. Has Bernie endorsed or made public statements to the effect of I welcome the support of queersagainstpete? Let me guess, you have 6,000 Facebook friends?ecdanc said:
So anyone who isn't a PAC or "any type of organization" can't make a credible political statement? Are you a PAC? Can you make credible political statements?Halifax2TheMax said:
Maybe I should have said are they registered as a PAC or any type of organization that would lend them an ounce of credibility? It seems you may confuse what might be legitimate in this age of troll farms and social media that can’t possibly influence an election, particularly a democratic primary season. Did you register on their site or link for the email blasts?ecdanc said:
You have a highly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics, it appears.Halifax2TheMax said:
More.ecdanc said:
Wait, would you trust them more or less if they were 501c3?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’d have more faith in them if there had been a QueersAgainstTrump organization and mobilization drive. Seems more like a Putin on the ritz troll farm operation than a legit politic organization. They registered as a 501c3?ecdanc said:
Did you hear all of Team Trump Treason’s comments about all the hot body, good looking dudes who supported him throughout impeachment? I mean it really bordered on getting sexual, breathless as he was in his descriptions. Maybe he should just come out? NTTIAWWT. He’d still be POTUS and first is better than third. And some think Biden is creepy?
Berniebrosises not having a queersagainsttrumppence after Team Trump Treason embraced the rainbow flag then basically did an about face on so many LGBTA policies should be a clue, yes?
As for the last part, gtfo. Trust me: the queer folks I know have done more to combat Trump than most.
I don't understand your last two questions.
Has Bernie endorsed or welcomed queersagainstpete’s advocacy?Read up on Russian troll farms manipulation of faceturd and social media to better understand how “movements” or political advocacy groups can appear to have a mass following when in fact it’s Putin on the ritz’s trolls. Hence my request for “legitimacy,” or a past history of similar advocacy.
Who is worse for queers, Team Trump Treason or Mayor Pete?
As for your last paragraph, I offer you a quote from Stalin: "they're both worse."
As for your last sentence, sure they are, sure. You still haven’t answered my questions regarding Bernie’s welcoming of queersagainstpete’s advocacy. Why is that?
Do you know anyone who started the “organization” queersagainstpete?0 -
Except the options you're offering are not the "ideal" and the "good;" they're the "really bad" and the "face-meltingly awful." Lesser evilism is not good praxis.OnWis97 said:
Did it grow the way it has under Trump? Go ahead and have your problems with Obama, Biden, et al (I do), but ideal has become the enemy of good (adequate, if you prefer). Trump and the Democratic nominee Are. Not. The. Same.ecdanc said:
Did the disease improve under Obama? I don't think so.OnWis97 said:
The disease will metastasize much faster with him in there than with some "awful" centrist Dem. And if they don't see that, I have no idea what to tell them...but they're heels are every bit as dug in as Trump's supporters' are.ecdanc said:
Maybe they aren't concerned with your "chance of knocking him off," but with the actual underlying disease.....mrussel1 said:
Maybe, but that doesn't mean that damaging any D candidate can't hurt our chance of knocking him off. If you're expecting the worker's revolution to happen before November, I suggest a different strategy.ecdanc said:
Trump is a symptom, not the disease.mrussel1 said:
It's awesome if you like Donald J. Trump as your president.ecdanc said:
Beside the point, but that site is awesome!mcgruff10 said:@ecdanc lots of filters at work but how about this: https://joebiden.info
I will continue to research.
Expecting perfection leaves a lot to ignore...
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You can't tell me who the "We" is of this organizatiojn, can you? From the queersagainstpete About Us page. WTF?ecdanc said:
wtf?Halifax2TheMax said:
Are your friends organizing queersagainstpete? Or are they coming up with faux political movements and organizations, posting them to faceturd and asking their “friends” to join or come on board, mostly pro-Bernie and anti-Pete?ecdanc said:
I mean like my friends do. I'll return to my earlier point: you have an absurdly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics.Halifax2TheMax said:
You mean like Obama did?ecdanc said:
How much on-the-ground organizing do you do?Halifax2TheMax said:
Noecdanc said:
A straightforward question: are my friends who agree with the site, but are not affiliated with it, part of a “legitimate political movement?”Halifax2TheMax said:
Sorry, but I'm not buying that queersagainstpete is some legitimate political movement. And I wouldn't dismiss the LGBTIA community's grievances as a fabrication of putin on the ritz's. The dems need to appeal to indies and Bernie ain't appealing to indies and to even less of dems than 2016. I can't wait for the queersagainstbillionaires political movement to get going. Should be about 6-8 weeks from now.ecdanc said:
I do not, but I know people (some of whom are queer) with the exact same views. I worry that you'll use your fear of Russian trolls to pretend they don't exist.Halifax2TheMax said:
You could have said that earlier.ecdanc said:
I should add that many of my Facebook friends and a fair number of my real-life friends are going to be disappointed to learn they're actually Russian-troll fabrications.Halifax2TheMax said:
Again, read up on Putin on the ritz’s troll farms so you understand how that technique is now the operative method of almost any candidate, party and supporter because it’s so successful. The majority of those “small scale political actions” are complete fabrications.ecdanc said:
I don't think QueersagainstPete claims to have any sort of mass following. It looks to me like the small-scale political action I see all the time (and that, to me, is the essence of politics). I also don't think it claims either of the things you accuse it of in your first paragraph.Halifax2TheMax said:
If that’s how you want to label yourself, that’s fine but you, or queersagainstpete, shouldn’t claim to speak for all queers and claim Pete’s policies are harmful to all queers.ecdanc said:
So, "queerindividualsagainstPete" would has been ok with you?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’m an individual speaking up and out for myself and not trying to represent or misrepresent a group and claim to speak for them. Has Bernie endorsed or made public statements to the effect of I welcome the support of queersagainstpete? Let me guess, you have 6,000 Facebook friends?ecdanc said:
So anyone who isn't a PAC or "any type of organization" can't make a credible political statement? Are you a PAC? Can you make credible political statements?Halifax2TheMax said:
Maybe I should have said are they registered as a PAC or any type of organization that would lend them an ounce of credibility? It seems you may confuse what might be legitimate in this age of troll farms and social media that can’t possibly influence an election, particularly a democratic primary season. Did you register on their site or link for the email blasts?ecdanc said:
You have a highly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics, it appears.Halifax2TheMax said:
More.ecdanc said:
Wait, would you trust them more or less if they were 501c3?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’d have more faith in them if there had been a QueersAgainstTrump organization and mobilization drive. Seems more like a Putin on the ritz troll farm operation than a legit politic organization. They registered as a 501c3?ecdanc said:
Did you hear all of Team Trump Treason’s comments about all the hot body, good looking dudes who supported him throughout impeachment? I mean it really bordered on getting sexual, breathless as he was in his descriptions. Maybe he should just come out? NTTIAWWT. He’d still be POTUS and first is better than third. And some think Biden is creepy?
Berniebrosises not having a queersagainsttrumppence after Team Trump Treason embraced the rainbow flag then basically did an about face on so many LGBTA policies should be a clue, yes?
As for the last part, gtfo. Trust me: the queer folks I know have done more to combat Trump than most.
I don't understand your last two questions.
Has Bernie endorsed or welcomed queersagainstpete’s advocacy?Read up on Russian troll farms manipulation of faceturd and social media to better understand how “movements” or political advocacy groups can appear to have a mass following when in fact it’s Putin on the ritz’s trolls. Hence my request for “legitimacy,” or a past history of similar advocacy.
Who is worse for queers, Team Trump Treason or Mayor Pete?
As for your last paragraph, I offer you a quote from Stalin: "they're both worse."
As for your last sentence, sure they are, sure. You still haven’t answered my questions regarding Bernie’s welcoming of queersagainstpete’s advocacy. Why is that?
Do you know anyone who started the “organization” queersagainstpete?We believe the LGBTQIA community deserves better than Pete.
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Sadly, I think if you did that you'd be doing a lot more than you actually do.Halifax2TheMax said:
I run a bot farm with memes and gifs.ecdanc said:
Please, tell me what political activity you take part in, so I can emulate you.Halifax2TheMax said:
No, I just don’t buy into what you’re trying to sell, that because your friends share the beliefs of a faceturd shared queersagainstpete internet agitprop that it makes it a “political movement” that exhibits legitimacy and transparency. It’s as much of a political movement as I am aligned with middleagedlibtardpersonsagainsttrump is. Let me go down in a basement and share it on social media and I’ll have a political movement running rampant.ecdanc said:
I mean like my friends do. I'll return to my earlier point: you have an absurdly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics.Halifax2TheMax said:
You mean like Obama did?ecdanc said:
How much on-the-ground organizing do you do?Halifax2TheMax said:
Noecdanc said:
A straightforward question: are my friends who agree with the site, but are not affiliated with it, part of a “legitimate political movement?”Halifax2TheMax said:
Sorry, but I'm not buying that queersagainstpete is some legitimate political movement. And I wouldn't dismiss the LGBTIA community's grievances as a fabrication of putin on the ritz's. The dems need to appeal to indies and Bernie ain't appealing to indies and to even less of dems than 2016. I can't wait for the queersagainstbillionaires political movement to get going. Should be about 6-8 weeks from now.ecdanc said:
I do not, but I know people (some of whom are queer) with the exact same views. I worry that you'll use your fear of Russian trolls to pretend they don't exist.Halifax2TheMax said:
You could have said that earlier.ecdanc said:
I should add that many of my Facebook friends and a fair number of my real-life friends are going to be disappointed to learn they're actually Russian-troll fabrications.Halifax2TheMax said:
Again, read up on Putin on the ritz’s troll farms so you understand how that technique is now the operative method of almost any candidate, party and supporter because it’s so successful. The majority of those “small scale political actions” are complete fabrications.ecdanc said:
I don't think QueersagainstPete claims to have any sort of mass following. It looks to me like the small-scale political action I see all the time (and that, to me, is the essence of politics). I also don't think it claims either of the things you accuse it of in your first paragraph.Halifax2TheMax said:
If that’s how you want to label yourself, that’s fine but you, or queersagainstpete, shouldn’t claim to speak for all queers and claim Pete’s policies are harmful to all queers.ecdanc said:
So, "queerindividualsagainstPete" would has been ok with you?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’m an individual speaking up and out for myself and not trying to represent or misrepresent a group and claim to speak for them. Has Bernie endorsed or made public statements to the effect of I welcome the support of queersagainstpete? Let me guess, you have 6,000 Facebook friends?ecdanc said:
So anyone who isn't a PAC or "any type of organization" can't make a credible political statement? Are you a PAC? Can you make credible political statements?Halifax2TheMax said:
Maybe I should have said are they registered as a PAC or any type of organization that would lend them an ounce of credibility? It seems you may confuse what might be legitimate in this age of troll farms and social media that can’t possibly influence an election, particularly a democratic primary season. Did you register on their site or link for the email blasts?ecdanc said:
You have a highly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics, it appears.Halifax2TheMax said:
More.ecdanc said:
Wait, would you trust them more or less if they were 501c3?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’d have more faith in them if there had been a QueersAgainstTrump organization and mobilization drive. Seems more like a Putin on the ritz troll farm operation than a legit politic organization. They registered as a 501c3?ecdanc said:
Did you hear all of Team Trump Treason’s comments about all the hot body, good looking dudes who supported him throughout impeachment? I mean it really bordered on getting sexual, breathless as he was in his descriptions. Maybe he should just come out? NTTIAWWT. He’d still be POTUS and first is better than third. And some think Biden is creepy?
Berniebrosises not having a queersagainsttrumppence after Team Trump Treason embraced the rainbow flag then basically did an about face on so many LGBTA policies should be a clue, yes?
As for the last part, gtfo. Trust me: the queer folks I know have done more to combat Trump than most.
I don't understand your last two questions.
Has Bernie endorsed or welcomed queersagainstpete’s advocacy?Read up on Russian troll farms manipulation of faceturd and social media to better understand how “movements” or political advocacy groups can appear to have a mass following when in fact it’s Putin on the ritz’s trolls. Hence my request for “legitimacy,” or a past history of similar advocacy.
Who is worse for queers, Team Trump Treason or Mayor Pete?
As for your last paragraph, I offer you a quote from Stalin: "they're both worse."
As for your last sentence, sure they are, sure. You still haven’t answered my questions regarding Bernie’s welcoming of queersagainstpete’s advocacy. Why is that?
Do you know anyone who started the “organization” queersagainstpete?
Please let me know who is actually behind queersagainstpete when you get a chance. Maybe check with Bernie? When and where is the rally?0 -
You're really hung up on that page, man. How does this work for you: I personally know members of that LGBTQIA community who say "we deserve better than Pete." You can dismiss that particular page if you want, but you're going WAY beyond that.Halifax2TheMax said:
You can't tell me who the "We" is of this organizatiojn, can you? From the queersagainstpete About Us page. WTF?ecdanc said:
wtf?Halifax2TheMax said:
Are your friends organizing queersagainstpete? Or are they coming up with faux political movements and organizations, posting them to faceturd and asking their “friends” to join or come on board, mostly pro-Bernie and anti-Pete?ecdanc said:
I mean like my friends do. I'll return to my earlier point: you have an absurdly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics.Halifax2TheMax said:
You mean like Obama did?ecdanc said:
How much on-the-ground organizing do you do?Halifax2TheMax said:
Noecdanc said:
A straightforward question: are my friends who agree with the site, but are not affiliated with it, part of a “legitimate political movement?”Halifax2TheMax said:
Sorry, but I'm not buying that queersagainstpete is some legitimate political movement. And I wouldn't dismiss the LGBTIA community's grievances as a fabrication of putin on the ritz's. The dems need to appeal to indies and Bernie ain't appealing to indies and to even less of dems than 2016. I can't wait for the queersagainstbillionaires political movement to get going. Should be about 6-8 weeks from now.ecdanc said:
I do not, but I know people (some of whom are queer) with the exact same views. I worry that you'll use your fear of Russian trolls to pretend they don't exist.Halifax2TheMax said:
You could have said that earlier.ecdanc said:
I should add that many of my Facebook friends and a fair number of my real-life friends are going to be disappointed to learn they're actually Russian-troll fabrications.Halifax2TheMax said:
Again, read up on Putin on the ritz’s troll farms so you understand how that technique is now the operative method of almost any candidate, party and supporter because it’s so successful. The majority of those “small scale political actions” are complete fabrications.ecdanc said:
I don't think QueersagainstPete claims to have any sort of mass following. It looks to me like the small-scale political action I see all the time (and that, to me, is the essence of politics). I also don't think it claims either of the things you accuse it of in your first paragraph.Halifax2TheMax said:
If that’s how you want to label yourself, that’s fine but you, or queersagainstpete, shouldn’t claim to speak for all queers and claim Pete’s policies are harmful to all queers.ecdanc said:
So, "queerindividualsagainstPete" would has been ok with you?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’m an individual speaking up and out for myself and not trying to represent or misrepresent a group and claim to speak for them. Has Bernie endorsed or made public statements to the effect of I welcome the support of queersagainstpete? Let me guess, you have 6,000 Facebook friends?ecdanc said:
So anyone who isn't a PAC or "any type of organization" can't make a credible political statement? Are you a PAC? Can you make credible political statements?Halifax2TheMax said:
Maybe I should have said are they registered as a PAC or any type of organization that would lend them an ounce of credibility? It seems you may confuse what might be legitimate in this age of troll farms and social media that can’t possibly influence an election, particularly a democratic primary season. Did you register on their site or link for the email blasts?ecdanc said:
You have a highly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics, it appears.Halifax2TheMax said:
More.ecdanc said:
Wait, would you trust them more or less if they were 501c3?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’d have more faith in them if there had been a QueersAgainstTrump organization and mobilization drive. Seems more like a Putin on the ritz troll farm operation than a legit politic organization. They registered as a 501c3?ecdanc said:
Did you hear all of Team Trump Treason’s comments about all the hot body, good looking dudes who supported him throughout impeachment? I mean it really bordered on getting sexual, breathless as he was in his descriptions. Maybe he should just come out? NTTIAWWT. He’d still be POTUS and first is better than third. And some think Biden is creepy?
Berniebrosises not having a queersagainsttrumppence after Team Trump Treason embraced the rainbow flag then basically did an about face on so many LGBTA policies should be a clue, yes?
As for the last part, gtfo. Trust me: the queer folks I know have done more to combat Trump than most.
I don't understand your last two questions.
Has Bernie endorsed or welcomed queersagainstpete’s advocacy?Read up on Russian troll farms manipulation of faceturd and social media to better understand how “movements” or political advocacy groups can appear to have a mass following when in fact it’s Putin on the ritz’s trolls. Hence my request for “legitimacy,” or a past history of similar advocacy.
Who is worse for queers, Team Trump Treason or Mayor Pete?
As for your last paragraph, I offer you a quote from Stalin: "they're both worse."
As for your last sentence, sure they are, sure. You still haven’t answered my questions regarding Bernie’s welcoming of queersagainstpete’s advocacy. Why is that?
Do you know anyone who started the “organization” queersagainstpete?We believe the LGBTQIA community deserves better than Pete.
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Then don't bitch at all when Trump wins. I haven't quite followed but it looks like with the possible exception of Bernie, you're either voting third or not voting in the general, as is your right. But you know the reality. You know that fifth party candidate you vote for isn't going to win. So that means you either think Trump's not gunning for dictatorship (he is), the Dem candidate also will (they won't), or you value the sanctity of your vote more than whether or not that happens (???).ecdanc said:
Except the options you're offering are not the "ideal" and the "good;" they're the "really bad" and the "face-meltingly awful." Lesser evilism is not good praxis.OnWis97 said:
Did it grow the way it has under Trump? Go ahead and have your problems with Obama, Biden, et al (I do), but ideal has become the enemy of good (adequate, if you prefer). Trump and the Democratic nominee Are. Not. The. Same.ecdanc said:
Did the disease improve under Obama? I don't think so.OnWis97 said:
The disease will metastasize much faster with him in there than with some "awful" centrist Dem. And if they don't see that, I have no idea what to tell them...but they're heels are every bit as dug in as Trump's supporters' are.ecdanc said:
Maybe they aren't concerned with your "chance of knocking him off," but with the actual underlying disease.....mrussel1 said:
Maybe, but that doesn't mean that damaging any D candidate can't hurt our chance of knocking him off. If you're expecting the worker's revolution to happen before November, I suggest a different strategy.ecdanc said:
Trump is a symptom, not the disease.mrussel1 said:
It's awesome if you like Donald J. Trump as your president.ecdanc said:
Beside the point, but that site is awesome!mcgruff10 said:@ecdanc lots of filters at work but how about this: https://joebiden.info
I will continue to research.
Expecting perfection leaves a lot to ignore...
If you are sitting there on election night legitimately indifferent as to whether Trump or (for instance) Pete wins, then I guess I can't tell you you're wrong. But if you stick to your principles while hoping Pete wins...cling to them like a life preserver, I guess.1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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Because I believe its contrived by berniebrosises and not a "political movement?" Okay, I'm really hung up on it. In fact, I couldn't sleep last night. If Pete were straight, would there be a queersagainstpete "political movement?" Like there's a queersagainsttrump "political movement?"ecdanc said:
You're really hung up on that page, man. How does this work for you: I personally know members of that LGBTQIA community who say "we deserve better than Pete." You can dismiss that particular page if you want, but you're going WAY beyond that.Halifax2TheMax said:
You can't tell me who the "We" is of this organizatiojn, can you? From the queersagainstpete About Us page. WTF?ecdanc said:
wtf?Halifax2TheMax said:
Are your friends organizing queersagainstpete? Or are they coming up with faux political movements and organizations, posting them to faceturd and asking their “friends” to join or come on board, mostly pro-Bernie and anti-Pete?ecdanc said:
I mean like my friends do. I'll return to my earlier point: you have an absurdly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics.Halifax2TheMax said:
You mean like Obama did?ecdanc said:
How much on-the-ground organizing do you do?Halifax2TheMax said:
Noecdanc said:
A straightforward question: are my friends who agree with the site, but are not affiliated with it, part of a “legitimate political movement?”Halifax2TheMax said:
Sorry, but I'm not buying that queersagainstpete is some legitimate political movement. And I wouldn't dismiss the LGBTIA community's grievances as a fabrication of putin on the ritz's. The dems need to appeal to indies and Bernie ain't appealing to indies and to even less of dems than 2016. I can't wait for the queersagainstbillionaires political movement to get going. Should be about 6-8 weeks from now.ecdanc said:
I do not, but I know people (some of whom are queer) with the exact same views. I worry that you'll use your fear of Russian trolls to pretend they don't exist.Halifax2TheMax said:
You could have said that earlier.ecdanc said:
I should add that many of my Facebook friends and a fair number of my real-life friends are going to be disappointed to learn they're actually Russian-troll fabrications.Halifax2TheMax said:
Again, read up on Putin on the ritz’s troll farms so you understand how that technique is now the operative method of almost any candidate, party and supporter because it’s so successful. The majority of those “small scale political actions” are complete fabrications.ecdanc said:
I don't think QueersagainstPete claims to have any sort of mass following. It looks to me like the small-scale political action I see all the time (and that, to me, is the essence of politics). I also don't think it claims either of the things you accuse it of in your first paragraph.Halifax2TheMax said:
If that’s how you want to label yourself, that’s fine but you, or queersagainstpete, shouldn’t claim to speak for all queers and claim Pete’s policies are harmful to all queers.ecdanc said:
So, "queerindividualsagainstPete" would has been ok with you?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’m an individual speaking up and out for myself and not trying to represent or misrepresent a group and claim to speak for them. Has Bernie endorsed or made public statements to the effect of I welcome the support of queersagainstpete? Let me guess, you have 6,000 Facebook friends?ecdanc said:
So anyone who isn't a PAC or "any type of organization" can't make a credible political statement? Are you a PAC? Can you make credible political statements?Halifax2TheMax said:
Maybe I should have said are they registered as a PAC or any type of organization that would lend them an ounce of credibility? It seems you may confuse what might be legitimate in this age of troll farms and social media that can’t possibly influence an election, particularly a democratic primary season. Did you register on their site or link for the email blasts?ecdanc said:
You have a highly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics, it appears.Halifax2TheMax said:
More.ecdanc said:
Wait, would you trust them more or less if they were 501c3?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’d have more faith in them if there had been a QueersAgainstTrump organization and mobilization drive. Seems more like a Putin on the ritz troll farm operation than a legit politic organization. They registered as a 501c3?ecdanc said:
Did you hear all of Team Trump Treason’s comments about all the hot body, good looking dudes who supported him throughout impeachment? I mean it really bordered on getting sexual, breathless as he was in his descriptions. Maybe he should just come out? NTTIAWWT. He’d still be POTUS and first is better than third. And some think Biden is creepy?
Berniebrosises not having a queersagainsttrumppence after Team Trump Treason embraced the rainbow flag then basically did an about face on so many LGBTA policies should be a clue, yes?
As for the last part, gtfo. Trust me: the queer folks I know have done more to combat Trump than most.
I don't understand your last two questions.
Has Bernie endorsed or welcomed queersagainstpete’s advocacy?Read up on Russian troll farms manipulation of faceturd and social media to better understand how “movements” or political advocacy groups can appear to have a mass following when in fact it’s Putin on the ritz’s trolls. Hence my request for “legitimacy,” or a past history of similar advocacy.
Who is worse for queers, Team Trump Treason or Mayor Pete?
As for your last paragraph, I offer you a quote from Stalin: "they're both worse."
As for your last sentence, sure they are, sure. You still haven’t answered my questions regarding Bernie’s welcoming of queersagainstpete’s advocacy. Why is that?
Do you know anyone who started the “organization” queersagainstpete?We believe the LGBTQIA community deserves better than Pete.
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@OnWis97 in fairness, this poster believes the Communist Revolution of 1917 was a good thing. So it's really tough to find a compromise position when that's the starting point.ecdanc said:
Except the options you're offering are not the "ideal" and the "good;" they're the "really bad" and the "face-meltingly awful." Lesser evilism is not good praxis.OnWis97 said:
Did it grow the way it has under Trump? Go ahead and have your problems with Obama, Biden, et al (I do), but ideal has become the enemy of good (adequate, if you prefer). Trump and the Democratic nominee Are. Not. The. Same.ecdanc said:
Did the disease improve under Obama? I don't think so.OnWis97 said:
The disease will metastasize much faster with him in there than with some "awful" centrist Dem. And if they don't see that, I have no idea what to tell them...but they're heels are every bit as dug in as Trump's supporters' are.ecdanc said:
Maybe they aren't concerned with your "chance of knocking him off," but with the actual underlying disease.....mrussel1 said:
Maybe, but that doesn't mean that damaging any D candidate can't hurt our chance of knocking him off. If you're expecting the worker's revolution to happen before November, I suggest a different strategy.ecdanc said:
Trump is a symptom, not the disease.mrussel1 said:
It's awesome if you like Donald J. Trump as your president.ecdanc said:
Beside the point, but that site is awesome!mcgruff10 said:@ecdanc lots of filters at work but how about this: https://joebiden.info
I will continue to research.
Expecting perfection leaves a lot to ignore...
If I started by saying that I thought the Holocaust was a positive because there were too many Jews anyway, you'd have a hard time compromising with me on the appropriate penalties for hate crimes in this country.0 -
You should read Corey Robin's work, especially the revised edition of this work (which contains a chapter on Trump): https://global.oup.com/academic/product/the-reactionary-mind-9780190692001?cc=us&lang=en&OnWis97 said:
Then don't bitch at all when Trump wins. I haven't quite followed but it looks like with the possible exception of Bernie, you're either voting third or not voting in the general, as is your right. But you know the reality. You know that fifth party candidate you vote for isn't going to win. So that means you either think Trump's not gunning for dictatorship (he is), the Dem candidate also will (they won't), or you value the sanctity of your vote more than whether or not that happens (???).ecdanc said:
Except the options you're offering are not the "ideal" and the "good;" they're the "really bad" and the "face-meltingly awful." Lesser evilism is not good praxis.OnWis97 said:
Did it grow the way it has under Trump? Go ahead and have your problems with Obama, Biden, et al (I do), but ideal has become the enemy of good (adequate, if you prefer). Trump and the Democratic nominee Are. Not. The. Same.ecdanc said:
Did the disease improve under Obama? I don't think so.OnWis97 said:
The disease will metastasize much faster with him in there than with some "awful" centrist Dem. And if they don't see that, I have no idea what to tell them...but they're heels are every bit as dug in as Trump's supporters' are.ecdanc said:
Maybe they aren't concerned with your "chance of knocking him off," but with the actual underlying disease.....mrussel1 said:
Maybe, but that doesn't mean that damaging any D candidate can't hurt our chance of knocking him off. If you're expecting the worker's revolution to happen before November, I suggest a different strategy.ecdanc said:
Trump is a symptom, not the disease.mrussel1 said:
It's awesome if you like Donald J. Trump as your president.ecdanc said:
Beside the point, but that site is awesome!mcgruff10 said:@ecdanc lots of filters at work but how about this: https://joebiden.info
I will continue to research.
Expecting perfection leaves a lot to ignore...
If you are sitting there on election night legitimately indifferent as to whether Trump or (for instance) Pete wins, then I guess I can't tell you you're wrong. But if you stick to your principles while hoping Pete wins...cling to them like a life preserver, I guess.
Elsewhere, Corey has repeatedly compared Trump's presidency to Jimmy Carter's in terms of what Trump has actually accomplished.
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Well that's his right...of course, if Trump is re-elected, I suggest he keep that to himself...mrussel1 said:
@OnWis97 in fairness, this poster believes the Communist Revolution of 1917 was a good thing. So it's really tough to find a compromise position when that's the starting point.ecdanc said:
Except the options you're offering are not the "ideal" and the "good;" they're the "really bad" and the "face-meltingly awful." Lesser evilism is not good praxis.OnWis97 said:
Did it grow the way it has under Trump? Go ahead and have your problems with Obama, Biden, et al (I do), but ideal has become the enemy of good (adequate, if you prefer). Trump and the Democratic nominee Are. Not. The. Same.ecdanc said:
Expecting perfection leaves a lot to ignore...
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He's not asking for a compromise; he's asking me to compromise.mrussel1 said:
@OnWis97 in fairness, this poster believes the Communist Revolution of 1917 was a good thing. So it's really tough to find a compromise position when that's the starting point.ecdanc said:
Except the options you're offering are not the "ideal" and the "good;" they're the "really bad" and the "face-meltingly awful." Lesser evilism is not good praxis.OnWis97 said:
Did it grow the way it has under Trump? Go ahead and have your problems with Obama, Biden, et al (I do), but ideal has become the enemy of good (adequate, if you prefer). Trump and the Democratic nominee Are. Not. The. Same.ecdanc said:
Did the disease improve under Obama? I don't think so.OnWis97 said:
The disease will metastasize much faster with him in there than with some "awful" centrist Dem. And if they don't see that, I have no idea what to tell them...but they're heels are every bit as dug in as Trump's supporters' are.ecdanc said:
Maybe they aren't concerned with your "chance of knocking him off," but with the actual underlying disease.....mrussel1 said:
Maybe, but that doesn't mean that damaging any D candidate can't hurt our chance of knocking him off. If you're expecting the worker's revolution to happen before November, I suggest a different strategy.ecdanc said:
Trump is a symptom, not the disease.mrussel1 said:
It's awesome if you like Donald J. Trump as your president.ecdanc said:
Beside the point, but that site is awesome!mcgruff10 said:@ecdanc lots of filters at work but how about this: https://joebiden.info
I will continue to research.
Expecting perfection leaves a lot to ignore...
If I started by saying that I thought the Holocaust was a positive because there were too many Jews anyway, you'd have a hard time compromising with me on the appropriate penalties for hate crimes in this country.0 -
Nevermind.Halifax2TheMax said:
Because I believe its contrived by berniebrosises and not a "political movement?" Okay, I'm really hung up on it. In fact, I couldn't sleep last night. If Pete were straight, would there be a queersagainstpete "political movement?" Like there's a queersagainsttrump "political movement?"ecdanc said:
You're really hung up on that page, man. How does this work for you: I personally know members of that LGBTQIA community who say "we deserve better than Pete." You can dismiss that particular page if you want, but you're going WAY beyond that.Halifax2TheMax said:
You can't tell me who the "We" is of this organizatiojn, can you? From the queersagainstpete About Us page. WTF?ecdanc said:
wtf?Halifax2TheMax said:
Are your friends organizing queersagainstpete? Or are they coming up with faux political movements and organizations, posting them to faceturd and asking their “friends” to join or come on board, mostly pro-Bernie and anti-Pete?ecdanc said:
I mean like my friends do. I'll return to my earlier point: you have an absurdly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics.Halifax2TheMax said:
You mean like Obama did?ecdanc said:
How much on-the-ground organizing do you do?Halifax2TheMax said:
Noecdanc said:
A straightforward question: are my friends who agree with the site, but are not affiliated with it, part of a “legitimate political movement?”Halifax2TheMax said:
Sorry, but I'm not buying that queersagainstpete is some legitimate political movement. And I wouldn't dismiss the LGBTIA community's grievances as a fabrication of putin on the ritz's. The dems need to appeal to indies and Bernie ain't appealing to indies and to even less of dems than 2016. I can't wait for the queersagainstbillionaires political movement to get going. Should be about 6-8 weeks from now.ecdanc said:
I do not, but I know people (some of whom are queer) with the exact same views. I worry that you'll use your fear of Russian trolls to pretend they don't exist.Halifax2TheMax said:
You could have said that earlier.ecdanc said:
I should add that many of my Facebook friends and a fair number of my real-life friends are going to be disappointed to learn they're actually Russian-troll fabrications.Halifax2TheMax said:
Again, read up on Putin on the ritz’s troll farms so you understand how that technique is now the operative method of almost any candidate, party and supporter because it’s so successful. The majority of those “small scale political actions” are complete fabrications.ecdanc said:
I don't think QueersagainstPete claims to have any sort of mass following. It looks to me like the small-scale political action I see all the time (and that, to me, is the essence of politics). I also don't think it claims either of the things you accuse it of in your first paragraph.Halifax2TheMax said:
If that’s how you want to label yourself, that’s fine but you, or queersagainstpete, shouldn’t claim to speak for all queers and claim Pete’s policies are harmful to all queers.ecdanc said:
So, "queerindividualsagainstPete" would has been ok with you?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’m an individual speaking up and out for myself and not trying to represent or misrepresent a group and claim to speak for them. Has Bernie endorsed or made public statements to the effect of I welcome the support of queersagainstpete? Let me guess, you have 6,000 Facebook friends?ecdanc said:
So anyone who isn't a PAC or "any type of organization" can't make a credible political statement? Are you a PAC? Can you make credible political statements?Halifax2TheMax said:
Maybe I should have said are they registered as a PAC or any type of organization that would lend them an ounce of credibility? It seems you may confuse what might be legitimate in this age of troll farms and social media that can’t possibly influence an election, particularly a democratic primary season. Did you register on their site or link for the email blasts?ecdanc said:
You have a highly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics, it appears.Halifax2TheMax said:
More.ecdanc said:
Wait, would you trust them more or less if they were 501c3?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’d have more faith in them if there had been a QueersAgainstTrump organization and mobilization drive. Seems more like a Putin on the ritz troll farm operation than a legit politic organization. They registered as a 501c3?ecdanc said:
Did you hear all of Team Trump Treason’s comments about all the hot body, good looking dudes who supported him throughout impeachment? I mean it really bordered on getting sexual, breathless as he was in his descriptions. Maybe he should just come out? NTTIAWWT. He’d still be POTUS and first is better than third. And some think Biden is creepy?
Berniebrosises not having a queersagainsttrumppence after Team Trump Treason embraced the rainbow flag then basically did an about face on so many LGBTA policies should be a clue, yes?
As for the last part, gtfo. Trust me: the queer folks I know have done more to combat Trump than most.
I don't understand your last two questions.
Has Bernie endorsed or welcomed queersagainstpete’s advocacy?Read up on Russian troll farms manipulation of faceturd and social media to better understand how “movements” or political advocacy groups can appear to have a mass following when in fact it’s Putin on the ritz’s trolls. Hence my request for “legitimacy,” or a past history of similar advocacy.
Who is worse for queers, Team Trump Treason or Mayor Pete?
As for your last paragraph, I offer you a quote from Stalin: "they're both worse."
As for your last sentence, sure they are, sure. You still haven’t answered my questions regarding Bernie’s welcoming of queersagainstpete’s advocacy. Why is that?
Do you know anyone who started the “organization” queersagainstpete?We believe the LGBTQIA community deserves better than Pete.
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Guilty as charged. "All or none" isn't working too well.ecdanc said:
He's not asking for a compromise; he's asking me to compromise.mrussel1 said:
@OnWis97 in fairness, this poster believes the Communist Revolution of 1917 was a good thing. So it's really tough to find a compromise position when that's the starting point.ecdanc said:
Except the options you're offering are not the "ideal" and the "good;" they're the "really bad" and the "face-meltingly awful." Lesser evilism is not good praxis.OnWis97 said:
Did it grow the way it has under Trump? Go ahead and have your problems with Obama, Biden, et al (I do), but ideal has become the enemy of good (adequate, if you prefer). Trump and the Democratic nominee Are. Not. The. Same.ecdanc said:
Did the disease improve under Obama? I don't think so.OnWis97 said:
The disease will metastasize much faster with him in there than with some "awful" centrist Dem. And if they don't see that, I have no idea what to tell them...but they're heels are every bit as dug in as Trump's supporters' are.ecdanc said:
Maybe they aren't concerned with your "chance of knocking him off," but with the actual underlying disease.....mrussel1 said:
Maybe, but that doesn't mean that damaging any D candidate can't hurt our chance of knocking him off. If you're expecting the worker's revolution to happen before November, I suggest a different strategy.ecdanc said:
Trump is a symptom, not the disease.mrussel1 said:
It's awesome if you like Donald J. Trump as your president.ecdanc said:
Beside the point, but that site is awesome!mcgruff10 said:@ecdanc lots of filters at work but how about this: https://joebiden.info
I will continue to research.
Expecting perfection leaves a lot to ignore...
If I started by saying that I thought the Holocaust was a positive because there were too many Jews anyway, you'd have a hard time compromising with me on the appropriate penalties for hate crimes in this country.
Curious...what currently living US citizen would you like to see be president?1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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I'm an anarcho-communist.OnWis97 said:
Guilty as charged. "All or none" isn't working too well.ecdanc said:
He's not asking for a compromise; he's asking me to compromise.mrussel1 said:
@OnWis97 in fairness, this poster believes the Communist Revolution of 1917 was a good thing. So it's really tough to find a compromise position when that's the starting point.ecdanc said:
Except the options you're offering are not the "ideal" and the "good;" they're the "really bad" and the "face-meltingly awful." Lesser evilism is not good praxis.OnWis97 said:
Did it grow the way it has under Trump? Go ahead and have your problems with Obama, Biden, et al (I do), but ideal has become the enemy of good (adequate, if you prefer). Trump and the Democratic nominee Are. Not. The. Same.ecdanc said:
Did the disease improve under Obama? I don't think so.OnWis97 said:
The disease will metastasize much faster with him in there than with some "awful" centrist Dem. And if they don't see that, I have no idea what to tell them...but they're heels are every bit as dug in as Trump's supporters' are.ecdanc said:
Maybe they aren't concerned with your "chance of knocking him off," but with the actual underlying disease.....mrussel1 said:
Maybe, but that doesn't mean that damaging any D candidate can't hurt our chance of knocking him off. If you're expecting the worker's revolution to happen before November, I suggest a different strategy.ecdanc said:
Trump is a symptom, not the disease.mrussel1 said:
It's awesome if you like Donald J. Trump as your president.ecdanc said:
Beside the point, but that site is awesome!mcgruff10 said:@ecdanc lots of filters at work but how about this: https://joebiden.info
I will continue to research.
Expecting perfection leaves a lot to ignore...
If I started by saying that I thought the Holocaust was a positive because there were too many Jews anyway, you'd have a hard time compromising with me on the appropriate penalties for hate crimes in this country.
Curious...what currently living US citizen would you like to see be president?0 -
Not sure who is a leading US personality in that area. How far outside of that philosophy can you vote? Because I don't see one getting elected to, well, anything in the enforceable future.ecdanc said:1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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