The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 23,731
    Folks,

    Here's the thing...after yesterday's unsurprising news that Russia is at it again and Trump is covering it up, we all have to be on the same page. That's number one.

    Number two...no matter who the nominee is, a moderate billionaire with a sexist past from a sexist time, a former Obama VP, or a socialist senator from Vermont who is closer to the NRA than most would like.....one thing is clear---WE ALL HAVE TO UNITE BEHIND WHOMEVER IS THE NOMINEE.

    Donald Trump is an existential risk to our democracy. Defeating him is more important than literally ANY OTHER ISSUE in this campaign. I really hope the candidates in the next debate focus on that instead of tearing each other down. That's number three (Biden voice).

    You know I am an independent. My views are moderate mostly. But I can tell with 100% certainty that I will back Bernie or Elizabeth, or the reincarnation of Hillary as a result of a brokered convention. I also pledge to volunteer my time to help whomever it is. I hope you all will do the same.

    Quit the bickering. Focus on the most important thing that unites all of us------defeating this fucking Russian stooge in November. Literally the future of the country is dependent upon this.  Anything else you care about policy-wise should be a distant second. 
    I'm totally on board with this and will support whomever the nominee is. Unfortunately, the Berniebrosises will not if Bernie isn't the man. And in Team Trump Treason fashion, they prefer the chaos of what another 4 years of Team Trump Treason does to uniting behind the dem nominee as it opens the door a little more for their vision of utopia, even if they have to wait 4 more years for another chance and suffer irreparable harm in the meantime. What a bitter old man Bernie will be in his final days.
    And if bernie is the nominee many independents and moderate dems are not voting for him

    Dems are screwed either way

    Might as well vote for trump
    Something which is totally lost on the Berniebrosises. The "free stuff" generation is going to be really disappointed.
    Did some Bernie Bro swipe left on you on Tinder or something? 

    All you do in here is (try to) dunk on the fairness and the good of Bernie Sanders.
    Boy, do you have me figured out. And no, it was a berniebrosises that swiped right. When I insisted that they pay half for dinner, I never heard from them again.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 17,259
    Folks,

    Here's the thing...after yesterday's unsurprising news that Russia is at it again and Trump is covering it up, we all have to be on the same page. That's number one.

    Number two...no matter who the nominee is, a moderate billionaire with a sexist past from a sexist time, a former Obama VP, or a socialist senator from Vermont who is closer to the NRA than most would like.....one thing is clear---WE ALL HAVE TO UNITE BEHIND WHOMEVER IS THE NOMINEE.

    Donald Trump is an existential risk to our democracy. Defeating him is more important than literally ANY OTHER ISSUE in this campaign. I really hope the candidates in the next debate focus on that instead of tearing each other down. That's number three (Biden voice).

    You know I am an independent. My views are moderate mostly. But I can tell with 100% certainty that I will back Bernie or Elizabeth, or the reincarnation of Hillary as a result of a brokered convention. I also pledge to volunteer my time to help whomever it is. I hope you all will do the same.

    Quit the bickering. Focus on the most important thing that unites all of us------defeating this fucking Russian stooge in November. Literally the future of the country is dependent upon this.  Anything else you care about policy-wise should be a distant second. 
    I'm totally on board with this and will support whomever the nominee is. Unfortunately, the Berniebrosises will not if Bernie isn't the man. And in Team Trump Treason fashion, they prefer the chaos of what another 4 years of Team Trump Treason does to uniting behind the dem nominee as it opens the door a little more for their vision of utopia, even if they have to wait 4 more years for another chance and suffer irreparable harm in the meantime. What a bitter old man Bernie will be in his final days.
    And if bernie is the nominee many independents and moderate dems are not voting for him

    Dems are screwed either way

    Might as well vote for trump
    Something which is totally lost on the Berniebrosises. The "free stuff" generation is going to be really disappointed.
    Did some Bernie Bro swipe left on you on Tinder or something? 

    All you do in here is (try to) dunk on the fairness and the good of Bernie Sanders.
    Boy, do you have me figured out. And no, it was a berniebrosises that swiped right. When I insisted that they pay half for dinner, I never heard from them again.
    Fucking Dutch. 
  • Folks,

    Here's the thing...after yesterday's unsurprising news that Russia is at it again and Trump is covering it up, we all have to be on the same page. That's number one.

    Number two...no matter who the nominee is, a moderate billionaire with a sexist past from a sexist time, a former Obama VP, or a socialist senator from Vermont who is closer to the NRA than most would like.....one thing is clear---WE ALL HAVE TO UNITE BEHIND WHOMEVER IS THE NOMINEE.

    Donald Trump is an existential risk to our democracy. Defeating him is more important than literally ANY OTHER ISSUE in this campaign. I really hope the candidates in the next debate focus on that instead of tearing each other down. That's number three (Biden voice).

    You know I am an independent. My views are moderate mostly. But I can tell with 100% certainty that I will back Bernie or Elizabeth, or the reincarnation of Hillary as a result of a brokered convention. I also pledge to volunteer my time to help whomever it is. I hope you all will do the same.

    Quit the bickering. Focus on the most important thing that unites all of us------defeating this fucking Russian stooge in November. Literally the future of the country is dependent upon this.  Anything else you care about policy-wise should be a distant second. 
    I'm totally on board with this and will support whomever the nominee is. Unfortunately, the Berniebrosises will not if Bernie isn't the man. And in Team Trump Treason fashion, they prefer the chaos of what another 4 years of Team Trump Treason does to uniting behind the dem nominee as it opens the door a little more for their vision of utopia, even if they have to wait 4 more years for another chance and suffer irreparable harm in the meantime. What a bitter old man Bernie will be in his final days.
    And if bernie is the nominee many independents and moderate dems are not voting for him

    Dems are screwed either way

    Might as well vote for trump
    Something which is totally lost on the Berniebrosises. The "free stuff" generation is going to be really disappointed.
    Did some Bernie Bro swipe left on you on Tinder or something? 

    All you do in here is (try to) dunk on the fairness and the good of Bernie Sanders.
    Boy, do you have me figured out. And no, it was a berniebrosises that swiped right. When I insisted that they pay half for dinner, I never heard from them again.
    Doesn't check out.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    DEBATE RANKING

    1. Warren (fighting to survive. Killed Bloomberg all by herself)

    2. Sanders (Energized and refuted attacks ("if not capitalist it must be communism" "Your healthcare plan is expensive" effecticly. 
    3. Pete (Best at showing an alternative to Sanders)

    4. Biden (Not bad per se but disappeared a lot)
    5. Amy (think's her "punchlines" are smarter and more fun then they are)

    6. Bloomberg (a Trump test dummie)
    You ranking @cincybearcat

    1) Pete
    2) Warren

    3) Joe
    4) Bernie

    5) Amy
    6) Bloomberg


    Not that different.
    Yeah and after finishing the debate last night...might need to move Warren up to the #1 and slide Pete down 1 spot.  While I didn't always like what she said or what she was doing, Warren dominated the narrative of the night.  Pete was solid, but got a little petty with Amy I thought...though Amy's responses to him did highlight potential risk with her....she may have finished below Bloomberg even.  Joe/Bernie was basically a wash and could be flipped.  I put Joe ahead because he benefited on stage the most by Bloomberg being attacked. Well, bernie benefited in that people didnt attack him as much as well.
    There's a weird vibe between Pete and Amy.  She does not like him and takes what he says very personally, it appears. 
    I dont think anyone in the race likes Pete. Honestly. Hes like that dude from The Big Bang Theory. 

    i think the rest have respect for eachother. But they don’t like Pete. 
    Why would an adult dislike someone based on similarity to a character from a sitcom?
    I don't think they are making that specific connection...
    What connection are they making? I don't understand your point either. Seems like mostly a Pete and Amy thing...
    Pete is unlikeable. Other people are also unlikeable.                                                                         .
    You're a homophobe. Per the standards you've set for yourself on this board, I can call you a homophobe for saying Pete is unlikeable because you called me sexist yesterday for saying Amy was unlikeable. 
    Word choice matters, bruh. 
    Agreed. How dare you use a word as nasty as “unlikeable.” Bigotry!
    Reading is hard. 
    So is making allies and influencing.  
    I’ll focus on the latter when you redress the former. 
    You achieve neither around here, that's for sure.  
    Read better 
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 23,261

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 20,757
    edited February 21
    mcgruff10 said:

    So where did you get that cute rightwing "fuck anyone but me" shit from?

    The same place that makes you think voting Trump over Bernie Sanders is something a decent human being would*?


    * Trump being a sexist, accused by multiple women of rape, racist, responsible for dead children on your border, corrupt, risking the death of ukrainian people for personal gain, denies climate change and does nothing to battle it etc etc etc etc etc
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 20,757
    edited February 21

    Elizabeth Warren On Private Conversation With Mike Bloomberg During Debate







    Bloomberg asked her where she was born

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 30,748
    mcgruff10 said:


    Might I recommend a book?

    "[This is] not science as we know it, but another kind.  I've been looking for a solution which goes back to Egypt, and to the whole universe.  I think musicians are on a superior level, but unlike scientists, they haven't been accepted for their abilities."
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 23,261
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:


    Might I recommend a book?

    Available at your book store?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 23,731
    Folks,

    Here's the thing...after yesterday's unsurprising news that Russia is at it again and Trump is covering it up, we all have to be on the same page. That's number one.

    Number two...no matter who the nominee is, a moderate billionaire with a sexist past from a sexist time, a former Obama VP, or a socialist senator from Vermont who is closer to the NRA than most would like.....one thing is clear---WE ALL HAVE TO UNITE BEHIND WHOMEVER IS THE NOMINEE.

    Donald Trump is an existential risk to our democracy. Defeating him is more important than literally ANY OTHER ISSUE in this campaign. I really hope the candidates in the next debate focus on that instead of tearing each other down. That's number three (Biden voice).

    You know I am an independent. My views are moderate mostly. But I can tell with 100% certainty that I will back Bernie or Elizabeth, or the reincarnation of Hillary as a result of a brokered convention. I also pledge to volunteer my time to help whomever it is. I hope you all will do the same.

    Quit the bickering. Focus on the most important thing that unites all of us------defeating this fucking Russian stooge in November. Literally the future of the country is dependent upon this.  Anything else you care about policy-wise should be a distant second. 
    I'm totally on board with this and will support whomever the nominee is. Unfortunately, the Berniebrosises will not if Bernie isn't the man. And in Team Trump Treason fashion, they prefer the chaos of what another 4 years of Team Trump Treason does to uniting behind the dem nominee as it opens the door a little more for their vision of utopia, even if they have to wait 4 more years for another chance and suffer irreparable harm in the meantime. What a bitter old man Bernie will be in his final days.
    And if bernie is the nominee many independents and moderate dems are not voting for him

    Dems are screwed either way

    Might as well vote for trump
    Something which is totally lost on the Berniebrosises. The "free stuff" generation is going to be really disappointed.
    Did some Bernie Bro swipe left on you on Tinder or something? 

    All you do in here is (try to) dunk on the fairness and the good of Bernie Sanders.
    Boy, do you have me figured out. And no, it was a berniebrosises that swiped right. When I insisted that they pay half for dinner, I never heard from them again.
    Doesn't check out.
    In my reality it does, maybe not in your utopian vision for a nation not prepared for it.
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 20,757
    edited February 21
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:


    Might I recommend a book?

    Might I recommend a book:



    Bernie and Yang would be all over it

    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 30,748
    mcgruff10 said:
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:


    Might I recommend a book?

    Available at your book store?

    I'm very surprised to find I don't have a copy in my inventory at home.  I'll check the store tomorrow and let you know.   :smile:
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 30,748
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:


    Might I recommend a book?

    Might I recommend a book:



    Bernie and Yang would be all over it


    I see it's recommended by Bill McKiben as well.  That's cool!
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 36,674

    Elizabeth Warren On Private Conversation With Mike Bloomberg During Debate







    Bloomberg asked her where she was born

    Lawrence gave her multiple chances to say something nice about the guy and she refused each time. Clearly, they had a nice conversation for a few minutes during the commercial break there....oh well
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 13,069
    edited February 21
    Folks,

    Here's the thing...after yesterday's unsurprising news that Russia is at it again and Trump is covering it up, we all have to be on the same page. That's number one.

    Number two...no matter who the nominee is, a moderate billionaire with a sexist past from a sexist time, a former Obama VP, or a socialist senator from Vermont who is closer to the NRA than most would like.....one thing is clear---WE ALL HAVE TO UNITE BEHIND WHOMEVER IS THE NOMINEE.

    Donald Trump is an existential risk to our democracy. Defeating him is more important than literally ANY OTHER ISSUE in this campaign. I really hope the candidates in the next debate focus on that instead of tearing each other down. That's number three (Biden voice).

    You know I am an independent. My views are moderate mostly. But I can tell with 100% certainty that I will back Bernie or Elizabeth, or the reincarnation of Hillary as a result of a brokered convention. I also pledge to volunteer my time to help whomever it is. I hope you all will do the same.

    Quit the bickering. Focus on the most important thing that unites all of us------defeating this fucking Russian stooge in November. Literally the future of the country is dependent upon this.  Anything else you care about policy-wise should be a distant second. 
    That all sounds well and good, Juggler. But if Sanders goes into the convention with the most delegates, but not the 1,991 he needs to secure the nomination, and the superdelegates give the nomination to someone else, forget about beating Trump, I think it could be an electoral death-sentence for the Democrats. Let's say, hypothetically, that Sanders gets 33% of the total votes in the primary and that's the plurality, but he doesn't receive the nomination. Well that's 33% of registered democrats that might tell the party to fuck off forever. 
    I've said this many times, democrats love finding ways to lose elections they should win.

    Doesn't mean we can't do whatever we can to help whoever the nominee is
    That's true. I just think, in this scenario where Sanders has a plurality but not the majority, granting him the nomination likely will bode well for Trump's re-election, but to deny him the nomination will have ramifications that go well beyond the Trump presidency....

    I personally think Trump will beat whoever the nominee is. So for the sake of their democratic party's future, the DNC better not fuck with their voters and say "Sure you like Bernie Sanders, but we're smarter than you and we know he can't beat Trump, so here's Bloomberg." That would blow up in their faces two-fold. First off, they'll piss off a large portion of their party, and secondly, in my opinion, Bloomberg will lose anyway. 
    You're not exactly going out on a limb predicting treacherous waters if there is a brokered convention, dude. Of course that will dramatically weaken whoever is the nominee. 

    My point is a simple one--no matter who it is/no matter how it plays out, support him/her and stop driving wedges before it's too late. The democrats have, once again, offered up a less than ideal field of candidates. Trump should be easy to beat but they are stepping all over themselves yet again. We gotta come together. Too much is at stake. 
    I'm not suggesting I'm going out on a limb, dude. I know I'm saying what anyone else that understands this process already knows. But your "we gotta come together, too much is at stake" stance is easier said than done. If by some chance Sanders gets the nomination, will Bloomberg and Biden be behind him? Warren likely will, but I'm not sure about them. And if he doesn't win the nomination, and it's perceived by his supporters that he was screwed, they're not going to come out and vote for Bloomberg or whoever. 

    Also, half the country loves Trump, and they've already banded together. In fact, their bond (or whatever you wanna call it) has become stronger over the past four years. They're all in unison to see the democrats destroyed. You want (as I do, but I'm skeptical that it happens) the other half of the country to come together over the course of June through November. Not impossible, but as I said, easier said than done.
    Yes. They've already said as much. Bloomberg even said he will continue his spending machine on whoever the nominee is. THAT is the kind of unity the democrats need right now. Not what we saw a few days ago. That's the point.
    One of Sanders' campaign managers or top surrogates came out earlier this week and said they would not accept his money. THAT is exactly what we do not need. 

    Again--I don't think you are saying anything new. The incumbent always has an advantage. This one, in particular, should be easier to beat than the democrats are making it out to be. Despite the stuff you say in your second paragraph, it is still true that he has a lower approval rating than just about any incumbent in the history of polling running for re-election. And before you say something about polls, just about every incumbent in the history of polling has also gotten within a point or two of his approvals on election day. So he SHOULD be easy to beat. The democrats are shooting themselves in their collective foot. They need to stop. And fast. 
    Hmm I didn't see that (the bolded part). Yeah that would be beyond foolish. 

    And as for polls, yeah as I've said before, I don't put much stock in them, but I don't completely dismiss them either. I was curious to see what Bush's approval rating was in February 2004 compared to Trump's today. According to Gallup, Trump is at 49% (pretty good considering everything that's wrong with him and his presidency), Obama was at 45% in February 2012, and Bush was at 51% in February 2004. So unless this page I'm linking to is incorrect, Trump doesn't have the lowest approval rating of any incumbent running for re-election. It has Obama at 45% in Feb. 2012, and Bush Sr. at 41% in Feb 1992.

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx
    So Juggler, what are you thoughts on this? These polls either disprove your point that Trump's approval rating is particularly low for an incumbent, or they further strengthen my belief that polls suck. 
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  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    DEBATE RANKING

    1. Warren (fighting to survive. Killed Bloomberg all by herself)

    2. Sanders (Energized and refuted attacks ("if not capitalist it must be communism" "Your healthcare plan is expensive" effecticly. 
    3. Pete (Best at showing an alternative to Sanders)

    4. Biden (Not bad per se but disappeared a lot)
    5. Amy (think's her "punchlines" are smarter and more fun then they are)

    6. Bloomberg (a Trump test dummie)
    You ranking @cincybearcat

    1) Pete
    2) Warren

    3) Joe
    4) Bernie

    5) Amy
    6) Bloomberg


    Not that different.
    Yeah and after finishing the debate last night...might need to move Warren up to the #1 and slide Pete down 1 spot.  While I didn't always like what she said or what she was doing, Warren dominated the narrative of the night.  Pete was solid, but got a little petty with Amy I thought...though Amy's responses to him did highlight potential risk with her....she may have finished below Bloomberg even.  Joe/Bernie was basically a wash and could be flipped.  I put Joe ahead because he benefited on stage the most by Bloomberg being attacked. Well, bernie benefited in that people didnt attack him as much as well.
    There's a weird vibe between Pete and Amy.  She does not like him and takes what he says very personally, it appears. 
    I dont think anyone in the race likes Pete. Honestly. Hes like that dude from The Big Bang Theory. 

    i think the rest have respect for eachother. But they don’t like Pete. 
    Why would an adult dislike someone based on similarity to a character from a sitcom?
    I don't think they are making that specific connection...
    What connection are they making? I don't understand your point either. Seems like mostly a Pete and Amy thing...
    Pete is unlikeable. Other people are also unlikeable.                                                                         .
    I like Pete a lot, why don't you like the man?
    His politics mainly, but also his insufferable whiteness.                                                    

    Sorry....but I just can't get over the ignorance of this statement. "Insufferable whiteness." What the fuck is wrong with some people?

    Quite a bit. 


    Agreed. Racism is insidious and far-reaching. 
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:


    Might I recommend a book?

    Might I recommend a book:



    Bernie and Yang would be all over it

    Image result for das kapital
  • ecdanc said:
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:


    Might I recommend a book?

    Might I recommend a book:



    Bernie and Yang would be all over it

    Image result for das kapital
    Hah. I first wrote "in before ecdanc recommends Marx" but removed it. 

    "The communist manifesto" was actually the correct answer to a question in the most popular swedish "game show" just a few minutes ago. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    ecdanc said:
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:


    Might I recommend a book?

    Might I recommend a book:



    Bernie and Yang would be all over it

    Image result for das kapital
    Hah. I first wrote "in before ecdanc recommends Marx" but removed it. 

    "The communist manifesto" was actually the correct answer to a question in the most popular swedish "game show" just a few minutes ago. 
    Ha!
  • hedonisthedonist standing on the edge of foreverPosts: 21,211
    Folks,

    Here's the thing...after yesterday's unsurprising news that Russia is at it again and Trump is covering it up, we all have to be on the same page. That's number one.

    Number two...no matter who the nominee is, a moderate billionaire with a sexist past from a sexist time, a former Obama VP, or a socialist senator from Vermont who is closer to the NRA than most would like.....one thing is clear---WE ALL HAVE TO UNITE BEHIND WHOMEVER IS THE NOMINEE.

    Donald Trump is an existential risk to our democracy. Defeating him is more important than literally ANY OTHER ISSUE in this campaign. I really hope the candidates in the next debate focus on that instead of tearing each other down. That's number three (Biden voice).

    You know I am an independent. My views are moderate mostly. But I can tell with 100% certainty that I will back Bernie or Elizabeth, or the reincarnation of Hillary as a result of a brokered convention. I also pledge to volunteer my time to help whomever it is. I hope you all will do the same.

    Quit the bickering. Focus on the most important thing that unites all of us------defeating this fucking Russian stooge in November. Literally the future of the country is dependent upon this.  Anything else you care about policy-wise should be a distant second. 
    I'm totally on board with this and will support whomever the nominee is. Unfortunately, the Berniebrosises will not if Bernie isn't the man. And in Team Trump Treason fashion, they prefer the chaos of what another 4 years of Team Trump Treason does to uniting behind the dem nominee as it opens the door a little more for their vision of utopia, even if they have to wait 4 more years for another chance and suffer irreparable harm in the meantime. What a bitter old man Bernie will be in his final days.
    And if bernie is the nominee many independents and moderate dems are not voting for him

    Dems are screwed either way

    Might as well vote for trump
    Something which is totally lost on the Berniebrosises. The "free stuff" generation is going to be really disappointed.
    Did some Bernie Bro swipe left on you on Tinder or something? 

    All you do in here is (try to) dunk on the fairness and the good of Bernie Sanders.
    Boy, do you have me figured out. And no, it was a berniebrosises that swiped right. When I insisted that they pay half for dinner, I never heard from them again.
    Best post I've read in this thread all day.
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 20,757
    edited February 21
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:


    Might I recommend a book?

    Might I recommend a book:



    Bernie and Yang would be all over it


    I see it's recommended by Bill McKiben as well.  That's cool!
    Lakey seems to be a nice guy. Falling in love with a norweigan girl when young, moving to Norway, seeing the differences between the US and Norway/Scandinavia. 

    I fell onto this talk by chance on youtube once and listened to it as a podcast while working. Talks about taxfunded healthcare and other scandinavian things that are given not only being a matter of view of a human beings worth and solidarity - but also the economic benefits of it for the country. And if it would be possible to get these basic human things in the US. 

    As the great thinker Pete Buttagieg once said "The best country to achieve the american dream in is Denmark". 


    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 17,259
    hedonist said:
    Folks,

    Here's the thing...after yesterday's unsurprising news that Russia is at it again and Trump is covering it up, we all have to be on the same page. That's number one.

    Number two...no matter who the nominee is, a moderate billionaire with a sexist past from a sexist time, a former Obama VP, or a socialist senator from Vermont who is closer to the NRA than most would like.....one thing is clear---WE ALL HAVE TO UNITE BEHIND WHOMEVER IS THE NOMINEE.

    Donald Trump is an existential risk to our democracy. Defeating him is more important than literally ANY OTHER ISSUE in this campaign. I really hope the candidates in the next debate focus on that instead of tearing each other down. That's number three (Biden voice).

    You know I am an independent. My views are moderate mostly. But I can tell with 100% certainty that I will back Bernie or Elizabeth, or the reincarnation of Hillary as a result of a brokered convention. I also pledge to volunteer my time to help whomever it is. I hope you all will do the same.

    Quit the bickering. Focus on the most important thing that unites all of us------defeating this fucking Russian stooge in November. Literally the future of the country is dependent upon this.  Anything else you care about policy-wise should be a distant second. 
    I'm totally on board with this and will support whomever the nominee is. Unfortunately, the Berniebrosises will not if Bernie isn't the man. And in Team Trump Treason fashion, they prefer the chaos of what another 4 years of Team Trump Treason does to uniting behind the dem nominee as it opens the door a little more for their vision of utopia, even if they have to wait 4 more years for another chance and suffer irreparable harm in the meantime. What a bitter old man Bernie will be in his final days.
    And if bernie is the nominee many independents and moderate dems are not voting for him

    Dems are screwed either way

    Might as well vote for trump
    Something which is totally lost on the Berniebrosises. The "free stuff" generation is going to be really disappointed.
    Did some Bernie Bro swipe left on you on Tinder or something? 

    All you do in here is (try to) dunk on the fairness and the good of Bernie Sanders.
    Boy, do you have me figured out. And no, it was a berniebrosises that swiped right. When I insisted that they pay half for dinner, I never heard from them again.
    Best post I've read in this thread all day.
    Yes, it was very clever. 
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 36,674
    hedonist said:
    Folks,

    Here's the thing...after yesterday's unsurprising news that Russia is at it again and Trump is covering it up, we all have to be on the same page. That's number one.

    Number two...no matter who the nominee is, a moderate billionaire with a sexist past from a sexist time, a former Obama VP, or a socialist senator from Vermont who is closer to the NRA than most would like.....one thing is clear---WE ALL HAVE TO UNITE BEHIND WHOMEVER IS THE NOMINEE.

    Donald Trump is an existential risk to our democracy. Defeating him is more important than literally ANY OTHER ISSUE in this campaign. I really hope the candidates in the next debate focus on that instead of tearing each other down. That's number three (Biden voice).

    You know I am an independent. My views are moderate mostly. But I can tell with 100% certainty that I will back Bernie or Elizabeth, or the reincarnation of Hillary as a result of a brokered convention. I also pledge to volunteer my time to help whomever it is. I hope you all will do the same.

    Quit the bickering. Focus on the most important thing that unites all of us------defeating this fucking Russian stooge in November. Literally the future of the country is dependent upon this.  Anything else you care about policy-wise should be a distant second. 
    I'm totally on board with this and will support whomever the nominee is. Unfortunately, the Berniebrosises will not if Bernie isn't the man. And in Team Trump Treason fashion, they prefer the chaos of what another 4 years of Team Trump Treason does to uniting behind the dem nominee as it opens the door a little more for their vision of utopia, even if they have to wait 4 more years for another chance and suffer irreparable harm in the meantime. What a bitter old man Bernie will be in his final days.
    And if bernie is the nominee many independents and moderate dems are not voting for him

    Dems are screwed either way

    Might as well vote for trump
    Something which is totally lost on the Berniebrosises. The "free stuff" generation is going to be really disappointed.
    Did some Bernie Bro swipe left on you on Tinder or something? 

    All you do in here is (try to) dunk on the fairness and the good of Bernie Sanders.
    Boy, do you have me figured out. And no, it was a berniebrosises that swiped right. When I insisted that they pay half for dinner, I never heard from them again.
    Best post I've read in this thread all day.
    Mine were pretty good.
    chinese-happy.jpg
  • hedonisthedonist standing on the edge of foreverPosts: 21,211
    hedonist said:
    Folks,

    Here's the thing...after yesterday's unsurprising news that Russia is at it again and Trump is covering it up, we all have to be on the same page. That's number one.

    Number two...no matter who the nominee is, a moderate billionaire with a sexist past from a sexist time, a former Obama VP, or a socialist senator from Vermont who is closer to the NRA than most would like.....one thing is clear---WE ALL HAVE TO UNITE BEHIND WHOMEVER IS THE NOMINEE.

    Donald Trump is an existential risk to our democracy. Defeating him is more important than literally ANY OTHER ISSUE in this campaign. I really hope the candidates in the next debate focus on that instead of tearing each other down. That's number three (Biden voice).

    You know I am an independent. My views are moderate mostly. But I can tell with 100% certainty that I will back Bernie or Elizabeth, or the reincarnation of Hillary as a result of a brokered convention. I also pledge to volunteer my time to help whomever it is. I hope you all will do the same.

    Quit the bickering. Focus on the most important thing that unites all of us------defeating this fucking Russian stooge in November. Literally the future of the country is dependent upon this.  Anything else you care about policy-wise should be a distant second. 
    I'm totally on board with this and will support whomever the nominee is. Unfortunately, the Berniebrosises will not if Bernie isn't the man. And in Team Trump Treason fashion, they prefer the chaos of what another 4 years of Team Trump Treason does to uniting behind the dem nominee as it opens the door a little more for their vision of utopia, even if they have to wait 4 more years for another chance and suffer irreparable harm in the meantime. What a bitter old man Bernie will be in his final days.
    And if bernie is the nominee many independents and moderate dems are not voting for him

    Dems are screwed either way

    Might as well vote for trump
    Something which is totally lost on the Berniebrosises. The "free stuff" generation is going to be really disappointed.
    Did some Bernie Bro swipe left on you on Tinder or something? 

    All you do in here is (try to) dunk on the fairness and the good of Bernie Sanders.
    Boy, do you have me figured out. And no, it was a berniebrosises that swiped right. When I insisted that they pay half for dinner, I never heard from them again.
    Best post I've read in this thread all day.
    Mine were pretty good.
    They were very very good, Juggler =)

  • WHY ARE YOU GIVING UP HOPE FOR THE SEXIST AND RACIST BILLIONAIRE THAT IS GONNA SAVE YOU?!?!?!


    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 17,259
    hedonist said:
    hedonist said:
    Folks,

    Here's the thing...after yesterday's unsurprising news that Russia is at it again and Trump is covering it up, we all have to be on the same page. That's number one.

    Number two...no matter who the nominee is, a moderate billionaire with a sexist past from a sexist time, a former Obama VP, or a socialist senator from Vermont who is closer to the NRA than most would like.....one thing is clear---WE ALL HAVE TO UNITE BEHIND WHOMEVER IS THE NOMINEE.

    Donald Trump is an existential risk to our democracy. Defeating him is more important than literally ANY OTHER ISSUE in this campaign. I really hope the candidates in the next debate focus on that instead of tearing each other down. That's number three (Biden voice).

    You know I am an independent. My views are moderate mostly. But I can tell with 100% certainty that I will back Bernie or Elizabeth, or the reincarnation of Hillary as a result of a brokered convention. I also pledge to volunteer my time to help whomever it is. I hope you all will do the same.

    Quit the bickering. Focus on the most important thing that unites all of us------defeating this fucking Russian stooge in November. Literally the future of the country is dependent upon this.  Anything else you care about policy-wise should be a distant second. 
    I'm totally on board with this and will support whomever the nominee is. Unfortunately, the Berniebrosises will not if Bernie isn't the man. And in Team Trump Treason fashion, they prefer the chaos of what another 4 years of Team Trump Treason does to uniting behind the dem nominee as it opens the door a little more for their vision of utopia, even if they have to wait 4 more years for another chance and suffer irreparable harm in the meantime. What a bitter old man Bernie will be in his final days.
    And if bernie is the nominee many independents and moderate dems are not voting for him

    Dems are screwed either way

    Might as well vote for trump
    Something which is totally lost on the Berniebrosises. The "free stuff" generation is going to be really disappointed.
    Did some Bernie Bro swipe left on you on Tinder or something? 

    All you do in here is (try to) dunk on the fairness and the good of Bernie Sanders.
    Boy, do you have me figured out. And no, it was a berniebrosises that swiped right. When I insisted that they pay half for dinner, I never heard from them again.
    Best post I've read in this thread all day.
    Mine were pretty good.
    They were very very good, Juggler =)

    Agree, they were right up there!  
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 3,312
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    DEBATE RANKING

    1. Warren (fighting to survive. Killed Bloomberg all by herself)

    2. Sanders (Energized and refuted attacks ("if not capitalist it must be communism" "Your healthcare plan is expensive" effecticly. 
    3. Pete (Best at showing an alternative to Sanders)

    4. Biden (Not bad per se but disappeared a lot)
    5. Amy (think's her "punchlines" are smarter and more fun then they are)

    6. Bloomberg (a Trump test dummie)
    You ranking @cincybearcat

    1) Pete
    2) Warren

    3) Joe
    4) Bernie

    5) Amy
    6) Bloomberg


    Not that different.
    Yeah and after finishing the debate last night...might need to move Warren up to the #1 and slide Pete down 1 spot.  While I didn't always like what she said or what she was doing, Warren dominated the narrative of the night.  Pete was solid, but got a little petty with Amy I thought...though Amy's responses to him did highlight potential risk with her....she may have finished below Bloomberg even.  Joe/Bernie was basically a wash and could be flipped.  I put Joe ahead because he benefited on stage the most by Bloomberg being attacked. Well, bernie benefited in that people didnt attack him as much as well.

    Warren was an aggressive bully, cut people off, acted with entitlement with her expectation to always speak and slandered a candidate without evidence. We already have someone similar and he is president. On top of all that she is a horse faced liar.
    Is Warren responsible for Pearl Jam only playing one show at MSG? Is that why your statements are transitioning into the blatantly sexist?

    I thought it was obvious I was attacking warren using her very own language. So we agree Warren is a sexist?

    And that's pretty funny about MSG. You know that fans could be perfectly cool missing a show or a tour, but still want to attempt to set the record straight about "low cost face value concerts?"
    You’re using the language of a sexist attack, quoted by warren, to attack a woman. Don’t be thick. 

    I am using her words. I am unaware of any solid evidence she wasn't the first candidate to speak like this. 

    Dont be ragu.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 36,674
    edited February 21
    WHY ARE YOU GIVING UP HOPE FOR THE SEXIST AND RACIST BILLIONAIRE THAT IS GONNA SAVE YOU?!?!?!


    I'd say that's actually not too bad considering his poor performance.

    Notably he is still 5% above Warren who hurt him the most. And for all the talk of how well she did, "she saw no statistical increase in her first-choice support."

    As I said yesterday, it is as if Warren became a surrogate for Sanders. 


    Though Warren managed to halt Bloomberg’s upward trajectory, the immediate fallout for the former mayor does not seem as severe in comparison with another high-profile clash from the 2020 primary, when Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) attacked Biden for his position on federal involvement in busing to address racially integrating schools. At the time, Biden’s support fell 5 points, while Harris got a 6-point boost. The change is more reminiscent of Harris’ stumbles following the next round, when she took a 3-point hit

    Thank you for sharing. 
    chinese-happy.jpg
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    DEBATE RANKING

    1. Warren (fighting to survive. Killed Bloomberg all by herself)

    2. Sanders (Energized and refuted attacks ("if not capitalist it must be communism" "Your healthcare plan is expensive" effecticly. 
    3. Pete (Best at showing an alternative to Sanders)

    4. Biden (Not bad per se but disappeared a lot)
    5. Amy (think's her "punchlines" are smarter and more fun then they are)

    6. Bloomberg (a Trump test dummie)
    You ranking @cincybearcat

    1) Pete
    2) Warren

    3) Joe
    4) Bernie

    5) Amy
    6) Bloomberg


    Not that different.
    Yeah and after finishing the debate last night...might need to move Warren up to the #1 and slide Pete down 1 spot.  While I didn't always like what she said or what she was doing, Warren dominated the narrative of the night.  Pete was solid, but got a little petty with Amy I thought...though Amy's responses to him did highlight potential risk with her....she may have finished below Bloomberg even.  Joe/Bernie was basically a wash and could be flipped.  I put Joe ahead because he benefited on stage the most by Bloomberg being attacked. Well, bernie benefited in that people didnt attack him as much as well.

    Warren was an aggressive bully, cut people off, acted with entitlement with her expectation to always speak and slandered a candidate without evidence. We already have someone similar and he is president. On top of all that she is a horse faced liar.
    Is Warren responsible for Pearl Jam only playing one show at MSG? Is that why your statements are transitioning into the blatantly sexist?

    I thought it was obvious I was attacking warren using her very own language. So we agree Warren is a sexist?

    And that's pretty funny about MSG. You know that fans could be perfectly cool missing a show or a tour, but still want to attempt to set the record straight about "low cost face value concerts?"
    You’re using the language of a sexist attack, quoted by warren, to attack a woman. Don’t be thick. 

    I am using her words. I am unaware of any solid evidence she wasn't the first candidate to speak like this. 

    Dont be ragu.
    Playing dumb, eh? Or not playing?
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 13,069
    edited February 21
    @The Juggler 

    Folks,

    Here's the thing...after yesterday's unsurprising news that Russia is at it again and Trump is covering it up, we all have to be on the same page. That's number one.

    Number two...no matter who the nominee is, a moderate billionaire with a sexist past from a sexist time, a former Obama VP, or a socialist senator from Vermont who is closer to the NRA than most would like.....one thing is clear---WE ALL HAVE TO UNITE BEHIND WHOMEVER IS THE NOMINEE.

    Donald Trump is an existential risk to our democracy. Defeating him is more important than literally ANY OTHER ISSUE in this campaign. I really hope the candidates in the next debate focus on that instead of tearing each other down. That's number three (Biden voice).

    You know I am an independent. My views are moderate mostly. But I can tell with 100% certainty that I will back Bernie or Elizabeth, or the reincarnation of Hillary as a result of a brokered convention. I also pledge to volunteer my time to help whomever it is. I hope you all will do the same.

    Quit the bickering. Focus on the most important thing that unites all of us------defeating this fucking Russian stooge in November. Literally the future of the country is dependent upon this.  Anything else you care about policy-wise should be a distant second. 
    That all sounds well and good, Juggler. But if Sanders goes into the convention with the most delegates, but not the 1,991 he needs to secure the nomination, and the superdelegates give the nomination to someone else, forget about beating Trump, I think it could be an electoral death-sentence for the Democrats. Let's say, hypothetically, that Sanders gets 33% of the total votes in the primary and that's the plurality, but he doesn't receive the nomination. Well that's 33% of registered democrats that might tell the party to fuck off forever. 
    I've said this many times, democrats love finding ways to lose elections they should win.

    Doesn't mean we can't do whatever we can to help whoever the nominee is
    That's true. I just think, in this scenario where Sanders has a plurality but not the majority, granting him the nomination likely will bode well for Trump's re-election, but to deny him the nomination will have ramifications that go well beyond the Trump presidency....

    I personally think Trump will beat whoever the nominee is. So for the sake of their democratic party's future, the DNC better not fuck with their voters and say "Sure you like Bernie Sanders, but we're smarter than you and we know he can't beat Trump, so here's Bloomberg." That would blow up in their faces two-fold. First off, they'll piss off a large portion of their party, and secondly, in my opinion, Bloomberg will lose anyway. 
    You're not exactly going out on a limb predicting treacherous waters if there is a brokered convention, dude. Of course that will dramatically weaken whoever is the nominee. 

    My point is a simple one--no matter who it is/no matter how it plays out, support him/her and stop driving wedges before it's too late. The democrats have, once again, offered up a less than ideal field of candidates. Trump should be easy to beat but they are stepping all over themselves yet again. We gotta come together. Too much is at stake. 
    I'm not suggesting I'm going out on a limb, dude. I know I'm saying what anyone else that understands this process already knows. But your "we gotta come together, too much is at stake" stance is easier said than done. If by some chance Sanders gets the nomination, will Bloomberg and Biden be behind him? Warren likely will, but I'm not sure about them. And if he doesn't win the nomination, and it's perceived by his supporters that he was screwed, they're not going to come out and vote for Bloomberg or whoever. 

    Also, half the country loves Trump, and they've already banded together. In fact, their bond (or whatever you wanna call it) has become stronger over the past four years. They're all in unison to see the democrats destroyed. You want (as I do, but I'm skeptical that it happens) the other half of the country to come together over the course of June through November. Not impossible, but as I said, easier said than done.
    Yes. They've already said as much. Bloomberg even said he will continue his spending machine on whoever the nominee is. THAT is the kind of unity the democrats need right now. Not what we saw a few days ago. That's the point.
    One of Sanders' campaign managers or top surrogates came out earlier this week and said they would not accept his money. THAT is exactly what we do not need. 

    Again--I don't think you are saying anything new. The incumbent always has an advantage. This one, in particular, should be easier to beat than the democrats are making it out to be. Despite the stuff you say in your second paragraph, it is still true that he has a lower approval rating than just about any incumbent in the history of polling running for re-election. And before you say something about polls, just about every incumbent in the history of polling has also gotten within a point or two of his approvals on election day. So he SHOULD be easy to beat. The democrats are shooting themselves in their collective foot. They need to stop. And fast. 
    Hmm I didn't see that (the bolded part). Yeah that would be beyond foolish. 

    And as for polls, yeah as I've said before, I don't put much stock in them, but I don't completely dismiss them either. I was curious to see what Bush's approval rating was in February 2004 compared to Trump's today. According to Gallup, Trump is at 49% (pretty good considering everything that's wrong with him and his presidency), Obama was at 45% in February 2012, and Bush was at 51% in February 2004. So unless this page I'm linking to is incorrect, Trump doesn't have the lowest approval rating of any incumbent running for re-election. It has Obama at 45% in Feb. 2012, and Bush Sr. at 41% in Feb 1992.

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx
    So Juggler, what are you thoughts on this? These polls either disprove your point that Trump's approval rating is particularly low for an incumbent, or they further strengthen my belief that polls suck. 
    Curious to see what ya think, man. You're the poll guy around here. "You said "Despite the stuff you say in your second paragraph, it is still true that he has a lower approval rating than just about any incumbent in the history of polling running for re-election." But these polls and historical ratings say otherwise. So are these numbers wrong?

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx
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