The Democratic Presidential Debates
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I just urgently shit in a trash can just from looking at the photo.mcgruff10 said:
At least they do in New Jersey. You know you want your old stand by:Halifax2TheMax said:
They still make Boone's?mcgruff10 said:
Franzia and boone's for all!!!!Halifax2TheMax said:What we really need is three days of peace, love and Pearl Jam. Make it happen Kat, you got pull. McGruff will bring the red wine and ice.
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Idea of the year! And I will stand by this statement on 12/31/2020.mcgruff10 said:
@kat I feel like we could really come together as a group if we all sat next to each other at the Apollo Show. Anyway to hook us up with some tickets?Kat said:Two threads now and I can't stop laughing. You guys are crackin' me up today.
Take good care of each other, ok?
Much love,
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So, is bs and trump stand for the same thing? Just to be sure I understand that correctly.mcgruff10 said:
bs stands for bull shit.Spiritual_Chaos said:
What is the bs?mcgruff10 said:
If you dislike Biden that site is awesome but again it is bs just like the Pete website.ecdanc said:
Beside the point, but that site is awesome!mcgruff10 said:@ecdanc lots of filters at work but how about this: https://joebiden.info
I will continue to research."A smart monkey doesn't monkey around with another monkey's monkey" - Darwin's Theory0 -
But I asked you for a bs Biden-supporting site.mcgruff10 said:
If you dislike Biden that site is awesome but again it is bs just like the Pete website.ecdanc said:
Beside the point, but that site is awesome!mcgruff10 said:@ecdanc lots of filters at work but how about this: https://joebiden.info
I will continue to research.0 -
How much on-the-ground organizing do you do?Halifax2TheMax said:
Noecdanc said:
A straightforward question: are my friends who agree with the site, but are not affiliated with it, part of a “legitimate political movement?”Halifax2TheMax said:
Sorry, but I'm not buying that queersagainstpete is some legitimate political movement. And I wouldn't dismiss the LGBTIA community's grievances as a fabrication of putin on the ritz's. The dems need to appeal to indies and Bernie ain't appealing to indies and to even less of dems than 2016. I can't wait for the queersagainstbillionaires political movement to get going. Should be about 6-8 weeks from now.ecdanc said:
I do not, but I know people (some of whom are queer) with the exact same views. I worry that you'll use your fear of Russian trolls to pretend they don't exist.Halifax2TheMax said:
You could have said that earlier.ecdanc said:
I should add that many of my Facebook friends and a fair number of my real-life friends are going to be disappointed to learn they're actually Russian-troll fabrications.Halifax2TheMax said:
Again, read up on Putin on the ritz’s troll farms so you understand how that technique is now the operative method of almost any candidate, party and supporter because it’s so successful. The majority of those “small scale political actions” are complete fabrications.ecdanc said:
I don't think QueersagainstPete claims to have any sort of mass following. It looks to me like the small-scale political action I see all the time (and that, to me, is the essence of politics). I also don't think it claims either of the things you accuse it of in your first paragraph.Halifax2TheMax said:
If that’s how you want to label yourself, that’s fine but you, or queersagainstpete, shouldn’t claim to speak for all queers and claim Pete’s policies are harmful to all queers.ecdanc said:
So, "queerindividualsagainstPete" would has been ok with you?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’m an individual speaking up and out for myself and not trying to represent or misrepresent a group and claim to speak for them. Has Bernie endorsed or made public statements to the effect of I welcome the support of queersagainstpete? Let me guess, you have 6,000 Facebook friends?ecdanc said:
So anyone who isn't a PAC or "any type of organization" can't make a credible political statement? Are you a PAC? Can you make credible political statements?Halifax2TheMax said:
Maybe I should have said are they registered as a PAC or any type of organization that would lend them an ounce of credibility? It seems you may confuse what might be legitimate in this age of troll farms and social media that can’t possibly influence an election, particularly a democratic primary season. Did you register on their site or link for the email blasts?ecdanc said:
You have a highly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics, it appears.Halifax2TheMax said:
More.ecdanc said:
Wait, would you trust them more or less if they were 501c3?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’d have more faith in them if there had been a QueersAgainstTrump organization and mobilization drive. Seems more like a Putin on the ritz troll farm operation than a legit politic organization. They registered as a 501c3?ecdanc said:
Did you hear all of Team Trump Treason’s comments about all the hot body, good looking dudes who supported him throughout impeachment? I mean it really bordered on getting sexual, breathless as he was in his descriptions. Maybe he should just come out? NTTIAWWT. He’d still be POTUS and first is better than third. And some think Biden is creepy?
Berniebrosises not having a queersagainsttrumppence after Team Trump Treason embraced the rainbow flag then basically did an about face on so many LGBTA policies should be a clue, yes?
As for the last part, gtfo. Trust me: the queer folks I know have done more to combat Trump than most.
I don't understand your last two questions.
Has Bernie endorsed or welcomed queersagainstpete’s advocacy?Read up on Russian troll farms manipulation of faceturd and social media to better understand how “movements” or political advocacy groups can appear to have a mass following when in fact it’s Putin on the ritz’s trolls. Hence my request for “legitimacy,” or a past history of similar advocacy.
Who is worse for queers, Team Trump Treason or Mayor Pete?
As for your last paragraph, I offer you a quote from Stalin: "they're both worse."
As for your last sentence, sure they are, sure. You still haven’t answered my questions regarding Bernie’s welcoming of queersagainstpete’s advocacy. Why is that?
Do you know anyone who started the “organization” queersagainstpete?0 -
Maybe there are just a fair number of people who think your politics are shit and that also happen to agree with Bernie Sanders?cincybearcat said:
Yes. The Bernie Sanders shit on all opponents campaign.ecdanc said:
A straightforward question: are my friends who agree with the site, but are not affiliated with it, part of a “legitimate political movement?”Halifax2TheMax said:
Sorry, but I'm not buying that queersagainstpete is some legitimate political movement. And I wouldn't dismiss the LGBTIA community's grievances as a fabrication of putin on the ritz's. The dems need to appeal to indies and Bernie ain't appealing to indies and to even less of dems than 2016. I can't wait for the queersagainstbillionaires political movement to get going. Should be about 6-8 weeks from now.ecdanc said:
I do not, but I know people (some of whom are queer) with the exact same views. I worry that you'll use your fear of Russian trolls to pretend they don't exist.Halifax2TheMax said:
You could have said that earlier.ecdanc said:
I should add that many of my Facebook friends and a fair number of my real-life friends are going to be disappointed to learn they're actually Russian-troll fabrications.Halifax2TheMax said:
Again, read up on Putin on the ritz’s troll farms so you understand how that technique is now the operative method of almost any candidate, party and supporter because it’s so successful. The majority of those “small scale political actions” are complete fabrications.ecdanc said:
I don't think QueersagainstPete claims to have any sort of mass following. It looks to me like the small-scale political action I see all the time (and that, to me, is the essence of politics). I also don't think it claims either of the things you accuse it of in your first paragraph.Halifax2TheMax said:
If that’s how you want to label yourself, that’s fine but you, or queersagainstpete, shouldn’t claim to speak for all queers and claim Pete’s policies are harmful to all queers.ecdanc said:
So, "queerindividualsagainstPete" would has been ok with you?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’m an individual speaking up and out for myself and not trying to represent or misrepresent a group and claim to speak for them. Has Bernie endorsed or made public statements to the effect of I welcome the support of queersagainstpete? Let me guess, you have 6,000 Facebook friends?ecdanc said:
So anyone who isn't a PAC or "any type of organization" can't make a credible political statement? Are you a PAC? Can you make credible political statements?Halifax2TheMax said:
Maybe I should have said are they registered as a PAC or any type of organization that would lend them an ounce of credibility? It seems you may confuse what might be legitimate in this age of troll farms and social media that can’t possibly influence an election, particularly a democratic primary season. Did you register on their site or link for the email blasts?ecdanc said:
You have a highly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics, it appears.Halifax2TheMax said:
More.ecdanc said:
Wait, would you trust them more or less if they were 501c3?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’d have more faith in them if there had been a QueersAgainstTrump organization and mobilization drive. Seems more like a Putin on the ritz troll farm operation than a legit politic organization. They registered as a 501c3?ecdanc said:
Did you hear all of Team Trump Treason’s comments about all the hot body, good looking dudes who supported him throughout impeachment? I mean it really bordered on getting sexual, breathless as he was in his descriptions. Maybe he should just come out? NTTIAWWT. He’d still be POTUS and first is better than third. And some think Biden is creepy?
Berniebrosises not having a queersagainsttrumppence after Team Trump Treason embraced the rainbow flag then basically did an about face on so many LGBTA policies should be a clue, yes?
As for the last part, gtfo. Trust me: the queer folks I know have done more to combat Trump than most.
I don't understand your last two questions.
Has Bernie endorsed or welcomed queersagainstpete’s advocacy?Read up on Russian troll farms manipulation of faceturd and social media to better understand how “movements” or political advocacy groups can appear to have a mass following when in fact it’s Putin on the ritz’s trolls. Hence my request for “legitimacy,” or a past history of similar advocacy.
Who is worse for queers, Team Trump Treason or Mayor Pete?
As for your last paragraph, I offer you a quote from Stalin: "they're both worse."
As for your last sentence, sure they are, sure. You still haven’t answered my questions regarding Bernie’s welcoming of queersagainstpete’s advocacy. Why is that?
Do you know anyone who started the “organization” queersagainstpete?0 -
Maybe they aren't concerned with your "chance of knocking him off," but with the actual underlying disease.....mrussel1 said:
Maybe, but that doesn't mean that damaging any D candidate can't hurt our chance of knocking him off. If you're expecting the worker's revolution to happen before November, I suggest a different strategy.ecdanc said:
Trump is a symptom, not the disease.mrussel1 said:
It's awesome if you like Donald J. Trump as your president.ecdanc said:
Beside the point, but that site is awesome!mcgruff10 said:@ecdanc lots of filters at work but how about this: https://joebiden.info
I will continue to research.0 -
I'm willing to give it a gomcgruff10 said:
@kat I feel like we could really come together as a group if we all sat next to each other at the Apollo Show. Anyway to hook us up with some tickets?Kat said:Two threads now and I can't stop laughing. You guys are crackin' me up today. Take good care of each other, ok?
Much love,
10C member 139682 hippiemom = goodness0 -
The disease will metastasize much faster with him in there than with some "awful" centrist Dem. And if they don't see that, I have no idea what to tell them...but they're heels are every bit as dug in as Trump's supporters' are.ecdanc said:
Maybe they aren't concerned with your "chance of knocking him off," but with the actual underlying disease.....mrussel1 said:
Maybe, but that doesn't mean that damaging any D candidate can't hurt our chance of knocking him off. If you're expecting the worker's revolution to happen before November, I suggest a different strategy.ecdanc said:
Trump is a symptom, not the disease.mrussel1 said:
It's awesome if you like Donald J. Trump as your president.ecdanc said:
Beside the point, but that site is awesome!mcgruff10 said:@ecdanc lots of filters at work but how about this: https://joebiden.info
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I only have so much prep time!!! Ok mission accepted. Kids coming in to class.ecdanc said:
But I asked you for a bs Biden-supporting site.mcgruff10 said:
If you dislike Biden that site is awesome but again it is bs just like the Pete website.ecdanc said:
Beside the point, but that site is awesome!mcgruff10 said:@ecdanc lots of filters at work but how about this: https://joebiden.info
I will continue to research.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
So policies are binary? You either completely agree or completely opposed? Obamacare only provided 25 million people health benefits that they didn't previously have, so it's a shit policy. The only worthy policy was M4A and if you can't do that, then burn it all down?ecdanc said:
Maybe there are just a fair number of people who think your politics are shit and that also happen to agree with Bernie Sanders?cincybearcat said:
Yes. The Bernie Sanders shit on all opponents campaign.ecdanc said:
A straightforward question: are my friends who agree with the site, but are not affiliated with it, part of a “legitimate political movement?”Halifax2TheMax said:
Sorry, but I'm not buying that queersagainstpete is some legitimate political movement. And I wouldn't dismiss the LGBTIA community's grievances as a fabrication of putin on the ritz's. The dems need to appeal to indies and Bernie ain't appealing to indies and to even less of dems than 2016. I can't wait for the queersagainstbillionaires political movement to get going. Should be about 6-8 weeks from now.ecdanc said:
I do not, but I know people (some of whom are queer) with the exact same views. I worry that you'll use your fear of Russian trolls to pretend they don't exist.Halifax2TheMax said:
You could have said that earlier.ecdanc said:
I should add that many of my Facebook friends and a fair number of my real-life friends are going to be disappointed to learn they're actually Russian-troll fabrications.Halifax2TheMax said:
Again, read up on Putin on the ritz’s troll farms so you understand how that technique is now the operative method of almost any candidate, party and supporter because it’s so successful. The majority of those “small scale political actions” are complete fabrications.ecdanc said:
I don't think QueersagainstPete claims to have any sort of mass following. It looks to me like the small-scale political action I see all the time (and that, to me, is the essence of politics). I also don't think it claims either of the things you accuse it of in your first paragraph.Halifax2TheMax said:
If that’s how you want to label yourself, that’s fine but you, or queersagainstpete, shouldn’t claim to speak for all queers and claim Pete’s policies are harmful to all queers.ecdanc said:
So, "queerindividualsagainstPete" would has been ok with you?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’m an individual speaking up and out for myself and not trying to represent or misrepresent a group and claim to speak for them. Has Bernie endorsed or made public statements to the effect of I welcome the support of queersagainstpete? Let me guess, you have 6,000 Facebook friends?ecdanc said:
So anyone who isn't a PAC or "any type of organization" can't make a credible political statement? Are you a PAC? Can you make credible political statements?Halifax2TheMax said:
Maybe I should have said are they registered as a PAC or any type of organization that would lend them an ounce of credibility? It seems you may confuse what might be legitimate in this age of troll farms and social media that can’t possibly influence an election, particularly a democratic primary season. Did you register on their site or link for the email blasts?ecdanc said:
You have a highly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics, it appears.Halifax2TheMax said:
More.ecdanc said:
Wait, would you trust them more or less if they were 501c3?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’d have more faith in them if there had been a QueersAgainstTrump organization and mobilization drive. Seems more like a Putin on the ritz troll farm operation than a legit politic organization. They registered as a 501c3?ecdanc said:
Did you hear all of Team Trump Treason’s comments about all the hot body, good looking dudes who supported him throughout impeachment? I mean it really bordered on getting sexual, breathless as he was in his descriptions. Maybe he should just come out? NTTIAWWT. He’d still be POTUS and first is better than third. And some think Biden is creepy?
Berniebrosises not having a queersagainsttrumppence after Team Trump Treason embraced the rainbow flag then basically did an about face on so many LGBTA policies should be a clue, yes?
As for the last part, gtfo. Trust me: the queer folks I know have done more to combat Trump than most.
I don't understand your last two questions.
Has Bernie endorsed or welcomed queersagainstpete’s advocacy?Read up on Russian troll farms manipulation of faceturd and social media to better understand how “movements” or political advocacy groups can appear to have a mass following when in fact it’s Putin on the ritz’s trolls. Hence my request for “legitimacy,” or a past history of similar advocacy.
Who is worse for queers, Team Trump Treason or Mayor Pete?
As for your last paragraph, I offer you a quote from Stalin: "they're both worse."
As for your last sentence, sure they are, sure. You still haven’t answered my questions regarding Bernie’s welcoming of queersagainstpete’s advocacy. Why is that?
Do you know anyone who started the “organization” queersagainstpete?0 -
Oh, I see you took offense. I should have typed it...ecdanc said:
Maybe there are just a fair number of people who think your politics are shit and that also happen to agree with Bernie Sanders?cincybearcat said:
Yes. The Bernie Sanders shit on all opponents campaign.ecdanc said:
A straightforward question: are my friends who agree with the site, but are not affiliated with it, part of a “legitimate political movement?”Halifax2TheMax said:
Sorry, but I'm not buying that queersagainstpete is some legitimate political movement. And I wouldn't dismiss the LGBTIA community's grievances as a fabrication of putin on the ritz's. The dems need to appeal to indies and Bernie ain't appealing to indies and to even less of dems than 2016. I can't wait for the queersagainstbillionaires political movement to get going. Should be about 6-8 weeks from now.ecdanc said:
I do not, but I know people (some of whom are queer) with the exact same views. I worry that you'll use your fear of Russian trolls to pretend they don't exist.Halifax2TheMax said:
You could have said that earlier.ecdanc said:
I should add that many of my Facebook friends and a fair number of my real-life friends are going to be disappointed to learn they're actually Russian-troll fabrications.Halifax2TheMax said:
Again, read up on Putin on the ritz’s troll farms so you understand how that technique is now the operative method of almost any candidate, party and supporter because it’s so successful. The majority of those “small scale political actions” are complete fabrications.ecdanc said:
I don't think QueersagainstPete claims to have any sort of mass following. It looks to me like the small-scale political action I see all the time (and that, to me, is the essence of politics). I also don't think it claims either of the things you accuse it of in your first paragraph.Halifax2TheMax said:
If that’s how you want to label yourself, that’s fine but you, or queersagainstpete, shouldn’t claim to speak for all queers and claim Pete’s policies are harmful to all queers.ecdanc said:
So, "queerindividualsagainstPete" would has been ok with you?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’m an individual speaking up and out for myself and not trying to represent or misrepresent a group and claim to speak for them. Has Bernie endorsed or made public statements to the effect of I welcome the support of queersagainstpete? Let me guess, you have 6,000 Facebook friends?ecdanc said:
So anyone who isn't a PAC or "any type of organization" can't make a credible political statement? Are you a PAC? Can you make credible political statements?Halifax2TheMax said:
Maybe I should have said are they registered as a PAC or any type of organization that would lend them an ounce of credibility? It seems you may confuse what might be legitimate in this age of troll farms and social media that can’t possibly influence an election, particularly a democratic primary season. Did you register on their site or link for the email blasts?ecdanc said:
You have a highly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics, it appears.Halifax2TheMax said:
More.ecdanc said:
Wait, would you trust them more or less if they were 501c3?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’d have more faith in them if there had been a QueersAgainstTrump organization and mobilization drive. Seems more like a Putin on the ritz troll farm operation than a legit politic organization. They registered as a 501c3?ecdanc said:
Did you hear all of Team Trump Treason’s comments about all the hot body, good looking dudes who supported him throughout impeachment? I mean it really bordered on getting sexual, breathless as he was in his descriptions. Maybe he should just come out? NTTIAWWT. He’d still be POTUS and first is better than third. And some think Biden is creepy?
Berniebrosises not having a queersagainsttrumppence after Team Trump Treason embraced the rainbow flag then basically did an about face on so many LGBTA policies should be a clue, yes?
As for the last part, gtfo. Trust me: the queer folks I know have done more to combat Trump than most.
I don't understand your last two questions.
Has Bernie endorsed or welcomed queersagainstpete’s advocacy?Read up on Russian troll farms manipulation of faceturd and social media to better understand how “movements” or political advocacy groups can appear to have a mass following when in fact it’s Putin on the ritz’s trolls. Hence my request for “legitimacy,” or a past history of similar advocacy.
Who is worse for queers, Team Trump Treason or Mayor Pete?
As for your last paragraph, I offer you a quote from Stalin: "they're both worse."
As for your last sentence, sure they are, sure. You still haven’t answered my questions regarding Bernie’s welcoming of queersagainstpete’s advocacy. Why is that?
Do you know anyone who started the “organization” queersagainstpete?
Yes they are a part of a legitimate political movement. It's called the bernie sanders campaign.
The part about him and his supporters shitting all over others is understood so no need to type it out.hippiemom = goodness0 -
Did the disease improve under Obama? I don't think so.OnWis97 said:
The disease will metastasize much faster with him in there than with some "awful" centrist Dem. And if they don't see that, I have no idea what to tell them...but they're heels are every bit as dug in as Trump's supporters' are.ecdanc said:
Maybe they aren't concerned with your "chance of knocking him off," but with the actual underlying disease.....mrussel1 said:
Maybe, but that doesn't mean that damaging any D candidate can't hurt our chance of knocking him off. If you're expecting the worker's revolution to happen before November, I suggest a different strategy.ecdanc said:
Trump is a symptom, not the disease.mrussel1 said:
It's awesome if you like Donald J. Trump as your president.ecdanc said:
Beside the point, but that site is awesome!mcgruff10 said:@ecdanc lots of filters at work but how about this: https://joebiden.info
I will continue to research.0 -
I can think your ideas are shit without using binary thinking.mrussel1 said:
So policies are binary? You either completely agree or completely opposed? Obamacare only provided 25 million people health benefits that they didn't previously have, so it's a shit policy. The only worthy policy was M4A and if you can't do that, then burn it all down?ecdanc said:
Maybe there are just a fair number of people who think your politics are shit and that also happen to agree with Bernie Sanders?cincybearcat said:
Yes. The Bernie Sanders shit on all opponents campaign.ecdanc said:
A straightforward question: are my friends who agree with the site, but are not affiliated with it, part of a “legitimate political movement?”Halifax2TheMax said:
Sorry, but I'm not buying that queersagainstpete is some legitimate political movement. And I wouldn't dismiss the LGBTIA community's grievances as a fabrication of putin on the ritz's. The dems need to appeal to indies and Bernie ain't appealing to indies and to even less of dems than 2016. I can't wait for the queersagainstbillionaires political movement to get going. Should be about 6-8 weeks from now.ecdanc said:
I do not, but I know people (some of whom are queer) with the exact same views. I worry that you'll use your fear of Russian trolls to pretend they don't exist.Halifax2TheMax said:
You could have said that earlier.ecdanc said:
I should add that many of my Facebook friends and a fair number of my real-life friends are going to be disappointed to learn they're actually Russian-troll fabrications.Halifax2TheMax said:
Again, read up on Putin on the ritz’s troll farms so you understand how that technique is now the operative method of almost any candidate, party and supporter because it’s so successful. The majority of those “small scale political actions” are complete fabrications.ecdanc said:
I don't think QueersagainstPete claims to have any sort of mass following. It looks to me like the small-scale political action I see all the time (and that, to me, is the essence of politics). I also don't think it claims either of the things you accuse it of in your first paragraph.Halifax2TheMax said:
If that’s how you want to label yourself, that’s fine but you, or queersagainstpete, shouldn’t claim to speak for all queers and claim Pete’s policies are harmful to all queers.ecdanc said:
So, "queerindividualsagainstPete" would has been ok with you?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’m an individual speaking up and out for myself and not trying to represent or misrepresent a group and claim to speak for them. Has Bernie endorsed or made public statements to the effect of I welcome the support of queersagainstpete? Let me guess, you have 6,000 Facebook friends?ecdanc said:
So anyone who isn't a PAC or "any type of organization" can't make a credible political statement? Are you a PAC? Can you make credible political statements?Halifax2TheMax said:
Maybe I should have said are they registered as a PAC or any type of organization that would lend them an ounce of credibility? It seems you may confuse what might be legitimate in this age of troll farms and social media that can’t possibly influence an election, particularly a democratic primary season. Did you register on their site or link for the email blasts?ecdanc said:
You have a highly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics, it appears.Halifax2TheMax said:
More.ecdanc said:
Wait, would you trust them more or less if they were 501c3?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’d have more faith in them if there had been a QueersAgainstTrump organization and mobilization drive. Seems more like a Putin on the ritz troll farm operation than a legit politic organization. They registered as a 501c3?ecdanc said:
Did you hear all of Team Trump Treason’s comments about all the hot body, good looking dudes who supported him throughout impeachment? I mean it really bordered on getting sexual, breathless as he was in his descriptions. Maybe he should just come out? NTTIAWWT. He’d still be POTUS and first is better than third. And some think Biden is creepy?
Berniebrosises not having a queersagainsttrumppence after Team Trump Treason embraced the rainbow flag then basically did an about face on so many LGBTA policies should be a clue, yes?
As for the last part, gtfo. Trust me: the queer folks I know have done more to combat Trump than most.
I don't understand your last two questions.
Has Bernie endorsed or welcomed queersagainstpete’s advocacy?Read up on Russian troll farms manipulation of faceturd and social media to better understand how “movements” or political advocacy groups can appear to have a mass following when in fact it’s Putin on the ritz’s trolls. Hence my request for “legitimacy,” or a past history of similar advocacy.
Who is worse for queers, Team Trump Treason or Mayor Pete?
As for your last paragraph, I offer you a quote from Stalin: "they're both worse."
As for your last sentence, sure they are, sure. You still haven’t answered my questions regarding Bernie’s welcoming of queersagainstpete’s advocacy. Why is that?
Do you know anyone who started the “organization” queersagainstpete?0 -
And what about those of us who agree with those positions but aren't Sanders supporters?cincybearcat said:
Oh, I see you took offense. I should have typed it...ecdanc said:
Maybe there are just a fair number of people who think your politics are shit and that also happen to agree with Bernie Sanders?cincybearcat said:
Yes. The Bernie Sanders shit on all opponents campaign.ecdanc said:
A straightforward question: are my friends who agree with the site, but are not affiliated with it, part of a “legitimate political movement?”Halifax2TheMax said:
Sorry, but I'm not buying that queersagainstpete is some legitimate political movement. And I wouldn't dismiss the LGBTIA community's grievances as a fabrication of putin on the ritz's. The dems need to appeal to indies and Bernie ain't appealing to indies and to even less of dems than 2016. I can't wait for the queersagainstbillionaires political movement to get going. Should be about 6-8 weeks from now.ecdanc said:
I do not, but I know people (some of whom are queer) with the exact same views. I worry that you'll use your fear of Russian trolls to pretend they don't exist.Halifax2TheMax said:
You could have said that earlier.ecdanc said:
I should add that many of my Facebook friends and a fair number of my real-life friends are going to be disappointed to learn they're actually Russian-troll fabrications.Halifax2TheMax said:
Again, read up on Putin on the ritz’s troll farms so you understand how that technique is now the operative method of almost any candidate, party and supporter because it’s so successful. The majority of those “small scale political actions” are complete fabrications.ecdanc said:
I don't think QueersagainstPete claims to have any sort of mass following. It looks to me like the small-scale political action I see all the time (and that, to me, is the essence of politics). I also don't think it claims either of the things you accuse it of in your first paragraph.Halifax2TheMax said:
If that’s how you want to label yourself, that’s fine but you, or queersagainstpete, shouldn’t claim to speak for all queers and claim Pete’s policies are harmful to all queers.ecdanc said:
So, "queerindividualsagainstPete" would has been ok with you?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’m an individual speaking up and out for myself and not trying to represent or misrepresent a group and claim to speak for them. Has Bernie endorsed or made public statements to the effect of I welcome the support of queersagainstpete? Let me guess, you have 6,000 Facebook friends?ecdanc said:
So anyone who isn't a PAC or "any type of organization" can't make a credible political statement? Are you a PAC? Can you make credible political statements?Halifax2TheMax said:
Maybe I should have said are they registered as a PAC or any type of organization that would lend them an ounce of credibility? It seems you may confuse what might be legitimate in this age of troll farms and social media that can’t possibly influence an election, particularly a democratic primary season. Did you register on their site or link for the email blasts?ecdanc said:
You have a highly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics, it appears.Halifax2TheMax said:
More.ecdanc said:
Wait, would you trust them more or less if they were 501c3?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’d have more faith in them if there had been a QueersAgainstTrump organization and mobilization drive. Seems more like a Putin on the ritz troll farm operation than a legit politic organization. They registered as a 501c3?ecdanc said:
Did you hear all of Team Trump Treason’s comments about all the hot body, good looking dudes who supported him throughout impeachment? I mean it really bordered on getting sexual, breathless as he was in his descriptions. Maybe he should just come out? NTTIAWWT. He’d still be POTUS and first is better than third. And some think Biden is creepy?
Berniebrosises not having a queersagainsttrumppence after Team Trump Treason embraced the rainbow flag then basically did an about face on so many LGBTA policies should be a clue, yes?
As for the last part, gtfo. Trust me: the queer folks I know have done more to combat Trump than most.
I don't understand your last two questions.
Has Bernie endorsed or welcomed queersagainstpete’s advocacy?Read up on Russian troll farms manipulation of faceturd and social media to better understand how “movements” or political advocacy groups can appear to have a mass following when in fact it’s Putin on the ritz’s trolls. Hence my request for “legitimacy,” or a past history of similar advocacy.
Who is worse for queers, Team Trump Treason or Mayor Pete?
As for your last paragraph, I offer you a quote from Stalin: "they're both worse."
As for your last sentence, sure they are, sure. You still haven’t answered my questions regarding Bernie’s welcoming of queersagainstpete’s advocacy. Why is that?
Do you know anyone who started the “organization” queersagainstpete?
Yes they are a part of a legitimate political movement. It's called the bernie sanders campaign.
The part about him and his supporters shitting all over others is understood so no need to type it out.0 -
You mean like Obama did? And what does that have to do with the price of eggs in China?ecdanc said:
How much on-the-ground organizing do you do?Halifax2TheMax said:
Noecdanc said:
A straightforward question: are my friends who agree with the site, but are not affiliated with it, part of a “legitimate political movement?”Halifax2TheMax said:
Sorry, but I'm not buying that queersagainstpete is some legitimate political movement. And I wouldn't dismiss the LGBTIA community's grievances as a fabrication of putin on the ritz's. The dems need to appeal to indies and Bernie ain't appealing to indies and to even less of dems than 2016. I can't wait for the queersagainstbillionaires political movement to get going. Should be about 6-8 weeks from now.ecdanc said:
I do not, but I know people (some of whom are queer) with the exact same views. I worry that you'll use your fear of Russian trolls to pretend they don't exist.Halifax2TheMax said:
You could have said that earlier.ecdanc said:
I should add that many of my Facebook friends and a fair number of my real-life friends are going to be disappointed to learn they're actually Russian-troll fabrications.Halifax2TheMax said:
Again, read up on Putin on the ritz’s troll farms so you understand how that technique is now the operative method of almost any candidate, party and supporter because it’s so successful. The majority of those “small scale political actions” are complete fabrications.ecdanc said:
I don't think QueersagainstPete claims to have any sort of mass following. It looks to me like the small-scale political action I see all the time (and that, to me, is the essence of politics). I also don't think it claims either of the things you accuse it of in your first paragraph.Halifax2TheMax said:
If that’s how you want to label yourself, that’s fine but you, or queersagainstpete, shouldn’t claim to speak for all queers and claim Pete’s policies are harmful to all queers.ecdanc said:
So, "queerindividualsagainstPete" would has been ok with you?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’m an individual speaking up and out for myself and not trying to represent or misrepresent a group and claim to speak for them. Has Bernie endorsed or made public statements to the effect of I welcome the support of queersagainstpete? Let me guess, you have 6,000 Facebook friends?ecdanc said:
So anyone who isn't a PAC or "any type of organization" can't make a credible political statement? Are you a PAC? Can you make credible political statements?Halifax2TheMax said:
Maybe I should have said are they registered as a PAC or any type of organization that would lend them an ounce of credibility? It seems you may confuse what might be legitimate in this age of troll farms and social media that can’t possibly influence an election, particularly a democratic primary season. Did you register on their site or link for the email blasts?ecdanc said:
You have a highly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics, it appears.Halifax2TheMax said:
More.ecdanc said:
Wait, would you trust them more or less if they were 501c3?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’d have more faith in them if there had been a QueersAgainstTrump organization and mobilization drive. Seems more like a Putin on the ritz troll farm operation than a legit politic organization. They registered as a 501c3?ecdanc said:
Did you hear all of Team Trump Treason’s comments about all the hot body, good looking dudes who supported him throughout impeachment? I mean it really bordered on getting sexual, breathless as he was in his descriptions. Maybe he should just come out? NTTIAWWT. He’d still be POTUS and first is better than third. And some think Biden is creepy?
Berniebrosises not having a queersagainsttrumppence after Team Trump Treason embraced the rainbow flag then basically did an about face on so many LGBTA policies should be a clue, yes?
As for the last part, gtfo. Trust me: the queer folks I know have done more to combat Trump than most.
I don't understand your last two questions.
Has Bernie endorsed or welcomed queersagainstpete’s advocacy?Read up on Russian troll farms manipulation of faceturd and social media to better understand how “movements” or political advocacy groups can appear to have a mass following when in fact it’s Putin on the ritz’s trolls. Hence my request for “legitimacy,” or a past history of similar advocacy.
Who is worse for queers, Team Trump Treason or Mayor Pete?
As for your last paragraph, I offer you a quote from Stalin: "they're both worse."
As for your last sentence, sure they are, sure. You still haven’t answered my questions regarding Bernie’s welcoming of queersagainstpete’s advocacy. Why is that?
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So you're saying that every other candidate's ideas are shit, except Bernie's, therefore justifying trashing their campaigns. Is that right? Parlaying that into the Obamacare example to make it concrete. It's not a hard question.ecdanc said:
I can think your ideas are shit without using binary thinking.mrussel1 said:
So policies are binary? You either completely agree or completely opposed? Obamacare only provided 25 million people health benefits that they didn't previously have, so it's a shit policy. The only worthy policy was M4A and if you can't do that, then burn it all down?ecdanc said:
Maybe there are just a fair number of people who think your politics are shit and that also happen to agree with Bernie Sanders?cincybearcat said:
Yes. The Bernie Sanders shit on all opponents campaign.ecdanc said:
A straightforward question: are my friends who agree with the site, but are not affiliated with it, part of a “legitimate political movement?”Halifax2TheMax said:
Sorry, but I'm not buying that queersagainstpete is some legitimate political movement. And I wouldn't dismiss the LGBTIA community's grievances as a fabrication of putin on the ritz's. The dems need to appeal to indies and Bernie ain't appealing to indies and to even less of dems than 2016. I can't wait for the queersagainstbillionaires political movement to get going. Should be about 6-8 weeks from now.ecdanc said:
I do not, but I know people (some of whom are queer) with the exact same views. I worry that you'll use your fear of Russian trolls to pretend they don't exist.Halifax2TheMax said:
You could have said that earlier.ecdanc said:
I should add that many of my Facebook friends and a fair number of my real-life friends are going to be disappointed to learn they're actually Russian-troll fabrications.Halifax2TheMax said:
Again, read up on Putin on the ritz’s troll farms so you understand how that technique is now the operative method of almost any candidate, party and supporter because it’s so successful. The majority of those “small scale political actions” are complete fabrications.ecdanc said:
I don't think QueersagainstPete claims to have any sort of mass following. It looks to me like the small-scale political action I see all the time (and that, to me, is the essence of politics). I also don't think it claims either of the things you accuse it of in your first paragraph.Halifax2TheMax said:
If that’s how you want to label yourself, that’s fine but you, or queersagainstpete, shouldn’t claim to speak for all queers and claim Pete’s policies are harmful to all queers.ecdanc said:
So, "queerindividualsagainstPete" would has been ok with you?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’m an individual speaking up and out for myself and not trying to represent or misrepresent a group and claim to speak for them. Has Bernie endorsed or made public statements to the effect of I welcome the support of queersagainstpete? Let me guess, you have 6,000 Facebook friends?ecdanc said:
So anyone who isn't a PAC or "any type of organization" can't make a credible political statement? Are you a PAC? Can you make credible political statements?Halifax2TheMax said:
Maybe I should have said are they registered as a PAC or any type of organization that would lend them an ounce of credibility? It seems you may confuse what might be legitimate in this age of troll farms and social media that can’t possibly influence an election, particularly a democratic primary season. Did you register on their site or link for the email blasts?ecdanc said:
You have a highly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics, it appears.Halifax2TheMax said:
More.ecdanc said:
Wait, would you trust them more or less if they were 501c3?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’d have more faith in them if there had been a QueersAgainstTrump organization and mobilization drive. Seems more like a Putin on the ritz troll farm operation than a legit politic organization. They registered as a 501c3?ecdanc said:
Did you hear all of Team Trump Treason’s comments about all the hot body, good looking dudes who supported him throughout impeachment? I mean it really bordered on getting sexual, breathless as he was in his descriptions. Maybe he should just come out? NTTIAWWT. He’d still be POTUS and first is better than third. And some think Biden is creepy?
Berniebrosises not having a queersagainsttrumppence after Team Trump Treason embraced the rainbow flag then basically did an about face on so many LGBTA policies should be a clue, yes?
As for the last part, gtfo. Trust me: the queer folks I know have done more to combat Trump than most.
I don't understand your last two questions.
Has Bernie endorsed or welcomed queersagainstpete’s advocacy?Read up on Russian troll farms manipulation of faceturd and social media to better understand how “movements” or political advocacy groups can appear to have a mass following when in fact it’s Putin on the ritz’s trolls. Hence my request for “legitimacy,” or a past history of similar advocacy.
Who is worse for queers, Team Trump Treason or Mayor Pete?
As for your last paragraph, I offer you a quote from Stalin: "they're both worse."
As for your last sentence, sure they are, sure. You still haven’t answered my questions regarding Bernie’s welcoming of queersagainstpete’s advocacy. Why is that?
Do you know anyone who started the “organization” queersagainstpete?0 -
I mean like my friends do. I'll return to my earlier point: you have an absurdly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics.Halifax2TheMax said:
You mean like Obama did?ecdanc said:
How much on-the-ground organizing do you do?Halifax2TheMax said:
Noecdanc said:
A straightforward question: are my friends who agree with the site, but are not affiliated with it, part of a “legitimate political movement?”Halifax2TheMax said:
Sorry, but I'm not buying that queersagainstpete is some legitimate political movement. And I wouldn't dismiss the LGBTIA community's grievances as a fabrication of putin on the ritz's. The dems need to appeal to indies and Bernie ain't appealing to indies and to even less of dems than 2016. I can't wait for the queersagainstbillionaires political movement to get going. Should be about 6-8 weeks from now.ecdanc said:
I do not, but I know people (some of whom are queer) with the exact same views. I worry that you'll use your fear of Russian trolls to pretend they don't exist.Halifax2TheMax said:
You could have said that earlier.ecdanc said:
I should add that many of my Facebook friends and a fair number of my real-life friends are going to be disappointed to learn they're actually Russian-troll fabrications.Halifax2TheMax said:
Again, read up on Putin on the ritz’s troll farms so you understand how that technique is now the operative method of almost any candidate, party and supporter because it’s so successful. The majority of those “small scale political actions” are complete fabrications.ecdanc said:
I don't think QueersagainstPete claims to have any sort of mass following. It looks to me like the small-scale political action I see all the time (and that, to me, is the essence of politics). I also don't think it claims either of the things you accuse it of in your first paragraph.Halifax2TheMax said:
If that’s how you want to label yourself, that’s fine but you, or queersagainstpete, shouldn’t claim to speak for all queers and claim Pete’s policies are harmful to all queers.ecdanc said:
So, "queerindividualsagainstPete" would has been ok with you?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’m an individual speaking up and out for myself and not trying to represent or misrepresent a group and claim to speak for them. Has Bernie endorsed or made public statements to the effect of I welcome the support of queersagainstpete? Let me guess, you have 6,000 Facebook friends?ecdanc said:
So anyone who isn't a PAC or "any type of organization" can't make a credible political statement? Are you a PAC? Can you make credible political statements?Halifax2TheMax said:
Maybe I should have said are they registered as a PAC or any type of organization that would lend them an ounce of credibility? It seems you may confuse what might be legitimate in this age of troll farms and social media that can’t possibly influence an election, particularly a democratic primary season. Did you register on their site or link for the email blasts?ecdanc said:
You have a highly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics, it appears.Halifax2TheMax said:
More.ecdanc said:
Wait, would you trust them more or less if they were 501c3?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’d have more faith in them if there had been a QueersAgainstTrump organization and mobilization drive. Seems more like a Putin on the ritz troll farm operation than a legit politic organization. They registered as a 501c3?ecdanc said:
Did you hear all of Team Trump Treason’s comments about all the hot body, good looking dudes who supported him throughout impeachment? I mean it really bordered on getting sexual, breathless as he was in his descriptions. Maybe he should just come out? NTTIAWWT. He’d still be POTUS and first is better than third. And some think Biden is creepy?
Berniebrosises not having a queersagainsttrumppence after Team Trump Treason embraced the rainbow flag then basically did an about face on so many LGBTA policies should be a clue, yes?
As for the last part, gtfo. Trust me: the queer folks I know have done more to combat Trump than most.
I don't understand your last two questions.
Has Bernie endorsed or welcomed queersagainstpete’s advocacy?Read up on Russian troll farms manipulation of faceturd and social media to better understand how “movements” or political advocacy groups can appear to have a mass following when in fact it’s Putin on the ritz’s trolls. Hence my request for “legitimacy,” or a past history of similar advocacy.
Who is worse for queers, Team Trump Treason or Mayor Pete?
As for your last paragraph, I offer you a quote from Stalin: "they're both worse."
As for your last sentence, sure they are, sure. You still haven’t answered my questions regarding Bernie’s welcoming of queersagainstpete’s advocacy. Why is that?
Do you know anyone who started the “organization” queersagainstpete?0 -
Some candidates have entirely shitty ideas; other candidates have mostly shitty ideas; Bernie has less shitty ideas, but I still don't support him.mrussel1 said:
So you're saying that every other candidate's ideas are shit, except Bernie's, therefore justifying trashing their campaigns. Is that right? Parlaying that into the Obamacare example to make it concrete. It's not a hard question.ecdanc said:
I can think your ideas are shit without using binary thinking.mrussel1 said:
So policies are binary? You either completely agree or completely opposed? Obamacare only provided 25 million people health benefits that they didn't previously have, so it's a shit policy. The only worthy policy was M4A and if you can't do that, then burn it all down?ecdanc said:
Maybe there are just a fair number of people who think your politics are shit and that also happen to agree with Bernie Sanders?cincybearcat said:
Yes. The Bernie Sanders shit on all opponents campaign.ecdanc said:
A straightforward question: are my friends who agree with the site, but are not affiliated with it, part of a “legitimate political movement?”Halifax2TheMax said:
Sorry, but I'm not buying that queersagainstpete is some legitimate political movement. And I wouldn't dismiss the LGBTIA community's grievances as a fabrication of putin on the ritz's. The dems need to appeal to indies and Bernie ain't appealing to indies and to even less of dems than 2016. I can't wait for the queersagainstbillionaires political movement to get going. Should be about 6-8 weeks from now.ecdanc said:
I do not, but I know people (some of whom are queer) with the exact same views. I worry that you'll use your fear of Russian trolls to pretend they don't exist.Halifax2TheMax said:
You could have said that earlier.ecdanc said:
I should add that many of my Facebook friends and a fair number of my real-life friends are going to be disappointed to learn they're actually Russian-troll fabrications.Halifax2TheMax said:
Again, read up on Putin on the ritz’s troll farms so you understand how that technique is now the operative method of almost any candidate, party and supporter because it’s so successful. The majority of those “small scale political actions” are complete fabrications.ecdanc said:
I don't think QueersagainstPete claims to have any sort of mass following. It looks to me like the small-scale political action I see all the time (and that, to me, is the essence of politics). I also don't think it claims either of the things you accuse it of in your first paragraph.Halifax2TheMax said:
If that’s how you want to label yourself, that’s fine but you, or queersagainstpete, shouldn’t claim to speak for all queers and claim Pete’s policies are harmful to all queers.ecdanc said:
So, "queerindividualsagainstPete" would has been ok with you?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’m an individual speaking up and out for myself and not trying to represent or misrepresent a group and claim to speak for them. Has Bernie endorsed or made public statements to the effect of I welcome the support of queersagainstpete? Let me guess, you have 6,000 Facebook friends?ecdanc said:
So anyone who isn't a PAC or "any type of organization" can't make a credible political statement? Are you a PAC? Can you make credible political statements?Halifax2TheMax said:
Maybe I should have said are they registered as a PAC or any type of organization that would lend them an ounce of credibility? It seems you may confuse what might be legitimate in this age of troll farms and social media that can’t possibly influence an election, particularly a democratic primary season. Did you register on their site or link for the email blasts?ecdanc said:
You have a highly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics, it appears.Halifax2TheMax said:
More.ecdanc said:
Wait, would you trust them more or less if they were 501c3?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’d have more faith in them if there had been a QueersAgainstTrump organization and mobilization drive. Seems more like a Putin on the ritz troll farm operation than a legit politic organization. They registered as a 501c3?ecdanc said:
Did you hear all of Team Trump Treason’s comments about all the hot body, good looking dudes who supported him throughout impeachment? I mean it really bordered on getting sexual, breathless as he was in his descriptions. Maybe he should just come out? NTTIAWWT. He’d still be POTUS and first is better than third. And some think Biden is creepy?
Berniebrosises not having a queersagainsttrumppence after Team Trump Treason embraced the rainbow flag then basically did an about face on so many LGBTA policies should be a clue, yes?
As for the last part, gtfo. Trust me: the queer folks I know have done more to combat Trump than most.
I don't understand your last two questions.
Has Bernie endorsed or welcomed queersagainstpete’s advocacy?Read up on Russian troll farms manipulation of faceturd and social media to better understand how “movements” or political advocacy groups can appear to have a mass following when in fact it’s Putin on the ritz’s trolls. Hence my request for “legitimacy,” or a past history of similar advocacy.
Who is worse for queers, Team Trump Treason or Mayor Pete?
As for your last paragraph, I offer you a quote from Stalin: "they're both worse."
As for your last sentence, sure they are, sure. You still haven’t answered my questions regarding Bernie’s welcoming of queersagainstpete’s advocacy. Why is that?
Do you know anyone who started the “organization” queersagainstpete?0 -
You're telling me that my friends aren't part of a "legitimate political movement." I'm telling you they're taking a helluva lot more political action than most--possibly more than you.Halifax2TheMax said:
You mean like Obama did? And what does that have to do with the price of eggs in China?ecdanc said:
How much on-the-ground organizing do you do?Halifax2TheMax said:
Noecdanc said:
A straightforward question: are my friends who agree with the site, but are not affiliated with it, part of a “legitimate political movement?”Halifax2TheMax said:
Sorry, but I'm not buying that queersagainstpete is some legitimate political movement. And I wouldn't dismiss the LGBTIA community's grievances as a fabrication of putin on the ritz's. The dems need to appeal to indies and Bernie ain't appealing to indies and to even less of dems than 2016. I can't wait for the queersagainstbillionaires political movement to get going. Should be about 6-8 weeks from now.ecdanc said:
I do not, but I know people (some of whom are queer) with the exact same views. I worry that you'll use your fear of Russian trolls to pretend they don't exist.Halifax2TheMax said:
You could have said that earlier.ecdanc said:
I should add that many of my Facebook friends and a fair number of my real-life friends are going to be disappointed to learn they're actually Russian-troll fabrications.Halifax2TheMax said:
Again, read up on Putin on the ritz’s troll farms so you understand how that technique is now the operative method of almost any candidate, party and supporter because it’s so successful. The majority of those “small scale political actions” are complete fabrications.ecdanc said:
I don't think QueersagainstPete claims to have any sort of mass following. It looks to me like the small-scale political action I see all the time (and that, to me, is the essence of politics). I also don't think it claims either of the things you accuse it of in your first paragraph.Halifax2TheMax said:
If that’s how you want to label yourself, that’s fine but you, or queersagainstpete, shouldn’t claim to speak for all queers and claim Pete’s policies are harmful to all queers.ecdanc said:
So, "queerindividualsagainstPete" would has been ok with you?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’m an individual speaking up and out for myself and not trying to represent or misrepresent a group and claim to speak for them. Has Bernie endorsed or made public statements to the effect of I welcome the support of queersagainstpete? Let me guess, you have 6,000 Facebook friends?ecdanc said:
So anyone who isn't a PAC or "any type of organization" can't make a credible political statement? Are you a PAC? Can you make credible political statements?Halifax2TheMax said:
Maybe I should have said are they registered as a PAC or any type of organization that would lend them an ounce of credibility? It seems you may confuse what might be legitimate in this age of troll farms and social media that can’t possibly influence an election, particularly a democratic primary season. Did you register on their site or link for the email blasts?ecdanc said:
You have a highly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics, it appears.Halifax2TheMax said:
More.ecdanc said:
Wait, would you trust them more or less if they were 501c3?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’d have more faith in them if there had been a QueersAgainstTrump organization and mobilization drive. Seems more like a Putin on the ritz troll farm operation than a legit politic organization. They registered as a 501c3?ecdanc said:
Did you hear all of Team Trump Treason’s comments about all the hot body, good looking dudes who supported him throughout impeachment? I mean it really bordered on getting sexual, breathless as he was in his descriptions. Maybe he should just come out? NTTIAWWT. He’d still be POTUS and first is better than third. And some think Biden is creepy?
Berniebrosises not having a queersagainsttrumppence after Team Trump Treason embraced the rainbow flag then basically did an about face on so many LGBTA policies should be a clue, yes?
As for the last part, gtfo. Trust me: the queer folks I know have done more to combat Trump than most.
I don't understand your last two questions.
Has Bernie endorsed or welcomed queersagainstpete’s advocacy?Read up on Russian troll farms manipulation of faceturd and social media to better understand how “movements” or political advocacy groups can appear to have a mass following when in fact it’s Putin on the ritz’s trolls. Hence my request for “legitimacy,” or a past history of similar advocacy.
Who is worse for queers, Team Trump Treason or Mayor Pete?
As for your last paragraph, I offer you a quote from Stalin: "they're both worse."
As for your last sentence, sure they are, sure. You still haven’t answered my questions regarding Bernie’s welcoming of queersagainstpete’s advocacy. Why is that?
Do you know anyone who started the “organization” queersagainstpete?0
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